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Cheshire~Cat
(OP) User ID: 3367996 United States 11/02/2012 09:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Cheshire Cat, I am very interested in scrying, since reading the works of Nostradamus. Please PM me if this thread gets too off topic, I REALLY want to learn! Quoting: Xenaphobic Xenaphobic Nostradamus was a complete charlatan/fraud. ~How fine you look when dressed in rage. Your enemies are fortunate your condition is not permanent. You're lucky, too. Red eyes suit so few. ~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to. |
Cheshire~Cat
(OP) User ID: 3367996 United States 11/02/2012 09:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | By the way Cheshire~Cat, I don't mean to derail. Quoting: Uncle Mikey I actually had a question for you. Would you mind sharing some of the personal things you do with Scrying? I picture you maybe using it to predict future events or maybe find a better job? I don't really know what it could be used for. If I were to be a bit selfish, I'd want to use it to find lost treasure... but as a Jebus man myself, I believe it would be a no no. It would be highly inappropriate for me to share the personal things I do. But as for the nature of what I do; call it: Finding my origin. Just the space itself that you create should be known to nobody. It should not be written down or recorded in any way. Last Edited by Cheshire~Cat on 11/02/2012 09:28 AM ~How fine you look when dressed in rage. Your enemies are fortunate your condition is not permanent. You're lucky, too. Red eyes suit so few. ~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to. |
Cheshire~Cat
(OP) User ID: 3367996 United States 11/02/2012 09:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Traditional evocation in the method of the key of Solomon requires ridiculous amounts of preparation and support. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225 Start with an army, forge your sacramental blade, adorn yourself properly, create the proper symbols, prepare yourself and train for a year before hand, and finally perform the ritual and summon the Angel or Demon. Astral conjuring in phantom mirrors will only bring out what you already carry within. You will know you are ready to do something more substantial when the phantom mirror is empty. Concerning traditional evocation, yes. This is more or less a beginner's course, as I could write a book on either the Solomon methods, or Enochian. I'm simply hoping that someone out there will at least start to meditate and create a space for themselves. At least realize that these so called prophecies all over this web site can be verified. Once you see what's out there, all of that stuff becomes laughable. You would need about a dozen threads on this process. This would be thread #1 :) Yes the experience possible in the astral realm is useful for very simple observances. The real trick is to evolve methods easily operable in waking states. To discover the process and method of creating new practices of manifestation should be the goal. And this is where you get into the RC Sigils, tablet, etc. Last Edited by Cheshire~Cat on 11/02/2012 09:07 AM ~How fine you look when dressed in rage. Your enemies are fortunate your condition is not permanent. You're lucky, too. Red eyes suit so few. ~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to. |
Cheshire~Cat
(OP) User ID: 3367996 United States 11/02/2012 09:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Key sentence there...why would those from the Abyss NOT harm Gods people if they were against God? Quoting: Seer777 Exactly :) ~How fine you look when dressed in rage. Your enemies are fortunate your condition is not permanent. You're lucky, too. Red eyes suit so few. ~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to. |
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Cheshire~Cat
(OP) User ID: 3367996 United States 11/02/2012 09:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm here to help :) Quoting: Cheshire~Cat With so many threads about "visions from jeebus!" etc etc etc....makes me facepalm in so many ways. It's about time you guys get some real instruction. What would you like to know? Such witchcrafts should not be practiced. That's it? That's all you have? This is not black magick or witchcraft. This is evolution my friend. Last Edited by Cheshire~Cat on 11/02/2012 10:35 AM ~How fine you look when dressed in rage. Your enemies are fortunate your condition is not permanent. You're lucky, too. Red eyes suit so few. ~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to. |
Uncle Mikey
User ID: 2217240 United States 11/02/2012 11:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | By the way Cheshire~Cat, I don't mean to derail. Quoting: Uncle Mikey I actually had a question for you. Would you mind sharing some of the personal things you do with Scrying? I picture you maybe using it to predict future events or maybe find a better job? I don't really know what it could be used for. If I were to be a bit selfish, I'd want to use it to find lost treasure... but as a Jebus man myself, I believe it would be a no no. It would be highly inappropriate for me to share the personal things I do. But as for the nature of what I do; call it: Finding my origin. Just the space itself that you create should be known to nobody. It should not be written down or recorded in any way. I see. Thanks Cheshire~Cat. I'm more of a 'Mystery Revealed' kind of guy. My take is that the world need less secrets / secret places... not more. Too many shenannigans are going on now a days. I guess Scrying isn't for me. |
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Cheshire~Cat
(OP) User ID: 3367996 United States 11/02/2012 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you truly experienced the end purpose of meditation, which transcends all experience itself, you would have neither the need nor the desire to scry. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26772571 Well, we're all on a journey :) ~How fine you look when dressed in rage. Your enemies are fortunate your condition is not permanent. You're lucky, too. Red eyes suit so few. ~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to. |
Cheshire~Cat
(OP) User ID: 3367996 United States 11/02/2012 12:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | By the way Cheshire~Cat, I don't mean to derail. Quoting: Uncle Mikey I actually had a question for you. Would you mind sharing some of the personal things you do with Scrying? I picture you maybe using it to predict future events or maybe find a better job? I don't really know what it could be used for. If I were to be a bit selfish, I'd want to use it to find lost treasure... but as a Jebus man myself, I believe it would be a no no. It would be highly inappropriate for me to share the personal things I do. But as for the nature of what I do; call it: Finding my origin. Just the space itself that you create should be known to nobody. It should not be written down or recorded in any way. I see. Thanks Cheshire~Cat. I'm more of a 'Mystery Revealed' kind of guy. My take is that the world need less secrets / secret places... not more. Too many shenannigans are going on now a days. I guess Scrying isn't for me. Well, the reason it has to be kept secret is for your protection. If you had an off switch, you wouldn't want anyone to know where it is, would you? The path to evolution is highly personal for everyone. I can only show you a door. Last Edited by Cheshire~Cat on 11/02/2012 12:07 PM ~How fine you look when dressed in rage. Your enemies are fortunate your condition is not permanent. You're lucky, too. Red eyes suit so few. ~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 16453458 United States 11/02/2012 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm here to help :) Quoting: Cheshire~Cat With so many threads about "visions from jeebus!" etc etc etc....makes me facepalm in so many ways. It's about time you guys get some real instruction. What would you like to know? Such witchcrafts should not be practiced. That's it? That's all you have? This is not black magick or witchcraft. This is evolution my friend. Hi CC, These people just kowtow to anyone that has taken (and been allowed to take) authority over them, and simply do whatever they say, and believe whatever they are told (or forced) to believe.. Lovely! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16453458 United States 11/02/2012 12:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's it? That's all you have? This is not black magick or witchcraft. This is evolution my friend. Hi CC, These people just kowtow to anyone that has taken (and been allowed to take) authority over them, and simply do whatever they say, and believe whatever they are told (or forced) to believe.. Lovely! Grrr forgot to log in. :P Love this thread by the way. |
Amethyst1974
User ID: 2307940 United States 11/02/2012 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am. I think its fascinating I have a crystal ball and would love to utilize it! I am also intrigued by astral projection. It must be very difficult and rquire a great deal of practice. i practice yoga and walk a lot and read uplifting materials when I can right now, I'm super interested in the idea of astral projection. lately, I have been practicing lucid dreaming and meditation. any suggestions or can you recommend some material that may be helpful? Amethyst1974 |
Cheshire~Cat
(OP) User ID: 3367996 United States 11/02/2012 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's it? That's all you have? This is not black magick or witchcraft. This is evolution my friend. Hi CC, These people just kowtow to anyone that has taken (and been allowed to take) authority over them, and simply do whatever they say, and believe whatever they are told (or forced) to believe.. Lovely! Grrr forgot to log in. :P Love this thread by the way. Tanks :) I'm a little leery about going into any further instruction. I think this is a good start to just have fun and let everyone explore something that wasn't previously tangible. Last Edited by Cheshire~Cat on 11/02/2012 01:00 PM ~How fine you look when dressed in rage. Your enemies are fortunate your condition is not permanent. You're lucky, too. Red eyes suit so few. ~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to. |
Half Past Midnight
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Cheshire~Cat
(OP) User ID: 3367996 United States 11/02/2012 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am. I think its fascinating I have a crystal ball and would love to utilize it! I am also intrigued by astral projection. It must be very difficult and rquire a great deal of practice. i practice yoga and walk a lot and read uplifting materials when I can right now, I'm super interested in the idea of astral projection. lately, I have been practicing lucid dreaming and meditation. any suggestions or can you recommend some material that may be helpful? Quoting: Amethyst1974 <3 the name. Yes, an Amethyst would help. As far as the process of astral projection goes, there are many resources online to get you started. Just a quick google search will bring up many results. One thing about it is that you need a lot of energy, which your Yoga is providing you so that's good. I would mainly work on your energy work (Yoga) and scrying in the astral realm before utilizing any tools such as your shewstone. In this way, you have a place to go when you leave your body. A haven if you will. Then you can start even meditating while in your astral body, and leave your astral body in the same way you leave your physical body. This process is done many times the further down the rabbit hole you go. Last Edited by Cheshire~Cat on 11/02/2012 02:13 PM ~How fine you look when dressed in rage. Your enemies are fortunate your condition is not permanent. You're lucky, too. Red eyes suit so few. ~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to. |
Saptaparna
User ID: 865798 United States 11/02/2012 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The starting point is meditation. Tai-Chi, Qigong, Yoga. Make sure you're relaxed enough so that the itches don't affect you anymore and the thought forms that enter your mind are easily identified and done away with. Quoting: Cheshire~Cat My Tai-Chi dvd came in the other day. Saptaparna ~ Seven-leaves, sevenfold; the man-plant, sevenfold man, seven-principled human being. ~ Spinning infinity. The wheel is spinning me and it's never ending. ~ What if I say I'm not like the others? What if I say I'm not just another one of of your plays? |
Cheshire~Cat
(OP) User ID: 3367996 United States 11/02/2012 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The starting point is meditation. Tai-Chi, Qigong, Yoga. Make sure you're relaxed enough so that the itches don't affect you anymore and the thought forms that enter your mind are easily identified and done away with. Quoting: Cheshire~Cat My Tai-Chi dvd came in the other day. Sweet! ~How fine you look when dressed in rage. Your enemies are fortunate your condition is not permanent. You're lucky, too. Red eyes suit so few. ~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to. |
Amethyst1974
User ID: 2307940 United States 11/02/2012 07:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am. I think its fascinating I have a crystal ball and would love to utilize it! I am also intrigued by astral projection. It must be very difficult and rquire a great deal of practice. i practice yoga and walk a lot and read uplifting materials when I can right now, I'm super interested in the idea of astral projection. lately, I have been practicing lucid dreaming and meditation. any suggestions or can you recommend some material that may be helpful? Quoting: Amethyst1974 <3 the name. Yes, an Amethyst would help. As far as the process of astral projection goes, there are many resources online to get you started. Just a quick google search will bring up many results. One thing about it is that you need a lot of energy, which your Yoga is providing you so that's good. I would mainly work on your energy work (Yoga) and scrying in the astral realm before utilizing any tools such as your shewstone. In this way, you have a place to go when you leave your body. A haven if you will. Then you can start even meditating while in your astral body, and leave your astral body in the same way you leave your physical body. This process is done many times the further down the rabbit hole you go. Thanks, that sounds like a great start. Its all in practice and dedication. I also agree about it being a personal journey and about evolving the spirit. truly finding your center. btw, love this thread. Amethyst1974 |
Cheshire~Cat
(OP) User ID: 26790996 United States 11/02/2012 11:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is one thing that everyone should be aware of in regards to something as simple as a candle: Lighting a candle should be considered a sacred act by which we enter into contact with the four elements. The candle itself, which is solid, represents the earth element. We light it, and fire is manifest. The candle melts, and we are in contact with liquid. Air is all pervasive, because it feeds the fire. Its presence can be perceived in the subtle oscillations of the flame. So, when you light a candle, be conscious that you are in the presence of the four principles of matter and that you can work with them by linking yourself to the four great Angels which govern them: the Angel of Fire, the Angel of Air, the Angel of Water, and the Angel of Earth. E X A R P H C O M A N A N T A B I T O M Last Edited by Cheshire~Cat on 11/03/2012 03:04 PM ~How fine you look when dressed in rage. Your enemies are fortunate your condition is not permanent. You're lucky, too. Red eyes suit so few. ~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13148732 United States 11/03/2012 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is one thing that everyone should be aware of in regards to something as simple as a candle: Quoting: Cheshire~Cat Lighting a candle should be considered a sacred act by which we enter into contact with the four elements. The candle itself, which is solid, represents the earth element. We light it, and fire is manifest. The candle melts, and we are in contact with liquid. Air is all pervasive, because it feeds the fire. Its presence can be perceived in the subtle oscillations of the flame. So, when you light a candle, be conscious that you are in the presence of the four principles of matter and that you can work with them by linking yourself to the four great Angels which govern them: the Angel of Fire, the Angel of Air, the Angel of Water, and the Angel of Earth. E X A R P H C O M A N A N T A B I T O M Thanks for this. |
Cheshire~Cat
(OP) User ID: 3367996 United States 11/03/2012 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is one thing that everyone should be aware of in regards to something as simple as a candle: Quoting: Cheshire~Cat Lighting a candle should be considered a sacred act by which we enter into contact with the four elements. The candle itself, which is solid, represents the earth element. We light it, and fire is manifest. The candle melts, and we are in contact with liquid. Air is all pervasive, because it feeds the fire. Its presence can be perceived in the subtle oscillations of the flame. So, when you light a candle, be conscious that you are in the presence of the four principles of matter and that you can work with them by linking yourself to the four great Angels which govern them: the Angel of Fire, the Angel of Air, the Angel of Water, and the Angel of Earth. E X A R P H C O M A N A N T A B I T O M Thanks for this. :) ~How fine you look when dressed in rage. Your enemies are fortunate your condition is not permanent. You're lucky, too. Red eyes suit so few. ~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26237455 United States 11/03/2012 02:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Once you're firmly established in your astral space and your body (which takes months or even years), you need to research evocation or invocation. Whichever you're most comfortable with. Quoting: Cheshire~Cat Invocation is looking while evocation is summoning. In your astral space, create for yourself a very large black mirror. You can either enter this mirror or invoke/evoke an entity from there. This is where we get into actual Enochian magick. This is not for beginners. I have revealed to all of you how to get to the point where you can speak to actual angels. Michael, Raphael, etc. And where Enochian magick starts. Once you're firmly established to this point, this is where the Enochian calls and sigils are used to establish the energies that are present. I have spilled the beans. If you truly want to advance beyond this point, I would refer you to John Dee's 5 books of mysteries and Crowley's works. Hi CC, Thank you for this thread, and sharing your thoughts and knowledge on scrying. In the above post, the bolded piqued my interest. Could you touch on what you think the difference is between what it is to invoke/evoke, and when is one more appropriate than the other?/?...or any other thoughts/feelings relating to this?... Thank you again! a student seeking clarity |
Cheshire~Cat
(OP) User ID: 3367996 United States 11/03/2012 02:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi CC, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26237455 Thank you for this thread, and sharing your thoughts and knowledge on scrying. In the above post, the bolded piqued my interest. Could you touch on what you think the difference is between what it is to invoke/evoke, and when is one more appropriate than the other?/?...or any other thoughts/feelings relating to this?... Thank you again! a student seeking clarity Hello, Whichever you're more comfortable with. You can either look through the mirror choose or enter it, so to speak. Evocation will give you a far richer experience, but if you feel apprehensive about it (rightly so) then you can work your nerve up to it. Last Edited by Cheshire~Cat on 11/03/2012 02:41 PM ~How fine you look when dressed in rage. Your enemies are fortunate your condition is not permanent. You're lucky, too. Red eyes suit so few. ~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to. |
Nakhet
User ID: 8809994 Australia 11/04/2012 03:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have been trying to meditate for awhile, it's okay. My question is.. when you use your vision to 'see' the astral realm: are you looking at the back of your eyelids or letting go completely of your eyes? I have come to realization of my 3rd eye vision, which is created from inside and not my eyes. It's like you can only see it once you are able to completely shift your 'vision' from your eyes to your head. Do you have any excersises for this? Whenever I try.. i get so close to my 2nd 'vision' but I just can't stay there. I did answer my own question.. but I am really curious to your input. I greatly desire to be able to look through my other eye, as clear as I see this right now. |
Cheshire~Cat
(OP) User ID: 26790996 United States 11/04/2012 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | when you use your vision to 'see' the astral realm: are you looking at the back of your eyelids or letting go completely of your eyes? Quoting: Nakhet This would depend on if you're consciously scrying in alpha or deeper, or if you're scrying in the astral realm itself. In the latter, your physical eyes would be closed and your astral eyes so to speak would do the viewing. Your "3rd eye" really isn't vision so to speak, it's more or less knowing, or in many cases epiphany, if that makes sense. Last Edited by Cheshire~Cat on 11/04/2012 02:17 PM ~How fine you look when dressed in rage. Your enemies are fortunate your condition is not permanent. You're lucky, too. Red eyes suit so few. ~Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to. |
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aether
User ID: 26269062 United Kingdom 11/13/2012 09:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | we are hovering over the americas Mexica*, 15th-16th century AD This mirror was used by the Elizabethan mathematician, astrologer and magician John Dee (1527-1608/9) as a 'shew-stone', one of many polished translucent or reflective objects which he used as tools for his occult research. Quoting: observationThe mirror, made of highly-polished obsidian (volcanic glass), was one of many Mexica cult objects and treasures brought to Europe after the conquest of Mexico by Cortés between 1527 and 1530 [link to www.britishmuseum.org] sensing the origin of dee/kelley motivational inspiration |