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(OP) User ID: 865798 United States 09/05/2012 01:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think that mainstream scientists will ever find 'dark matter,' because it will take a huge paradigm shift in the thinking of the established scientific community to 'look in the right place' for it, so to speak. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223476 It will take too radical a scientists to take that step, the scientific community don't like people who stray from the 'official line' of doing things. They usually shun radicals. Not to mention who pays for the funding ect. ect. But when they start breaking the rules of empiricism, & start looking at concepts that you CANT observe, (like MIND, for example) then they might start getting somewhere good post! Thread: Paradigm Transformation - Cosmic in Scale Thanks for the link, I got my info from this book (I'd love to pretend I'm super-smart lol) [link to www.amazon.com] "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived. |
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(OP) User ID: 865798 United States 09/05/2012 01:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for the link, I got my info from this book (I'd love to pretend I'm super-smart lol) [link to www.amazon.com] ooooh, that book looks like it might be good. Ah, man. No printed editions. Last Edited by Swinging on Spirals on 09/05/2012 01:04 PM "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived. |
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User ID: 20792968 United States 09/05/2012 01:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dark matter/energy what have you is truly not dark but as we humans only put images to about 1% of the light spectrum we see it as dark but truly it is vibrant and full of unperceived energy....... Quoting: shadowalker Beautiful and mind opening. Thank you. You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
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User ID: 572408 Netherlands 09/05/2012 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | wow, food for thought...much dark matter in galaxies' centre where black holes are found...hmmm thanks, ss! "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play." - 'Wargames' "This world is more like a mystery, trapped in a conundrum, spun by a paradox." - AC1118155 |
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User ID: 21435704 United States 09/05/2012 01:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dark matter/energy what have you is truly not dark but as we humans only put images to about 1% of the light spectrum we see it as dark but truly it is vibrant and full of unperceived energy....... Quoting: shadowalker Beautiful and mind opening. Thank you. thank you very nice post spirals Last Edited by lucifer9 on 09/05/2012 01:08 PM Unity is our greatest ally.. For this is the way we will rise out of the ashes that is sure to come... I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets. 7 Howbeit he meaneth not so, neither doth his heart think so; but it is in his heart to destroy and cut off nations not a few. |
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(OP) User ID: 865798 United States 09/05/2012 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dark matter/energy what have you is truly not dark but as we humans only put images to about 1% of the light spectrum we see it as dark but truly it is vibrant and full of unperceived energy....... Quoting: shadowalker Beautiful and mind opening. Thank you. thank you very nice post spirals good to see you on it shadowwalker "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived. |
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User ID: 20792968 United States 09/05/2012 01:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dark matter/energy what have you is truly not dark but as we humans only put images to about 1% of the light spectrum we see it as dark but truly it is vibrant and full of unperceived energy....... Quoting: shadowalker Because it is made up of mind substance This made me smile big after just posting about mind opening...same page and all gig, eh? Last Edited by cosmicgypsy on 09/05/2012 01:11 PM You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
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(OP) User ID: 865798 United States 09/05/2012 01:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | wow, food for thought...much dark matter in galaxies' centre where black holes are found...hmmm Quoting: R... thanks, ss! R... "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived. |
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(OP) User ID: 865798 United States 09/05/2012 01:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dark matter/energy what have you is truly not dark but as we humans only put images to about 1% of the light spectrum we see it as dark but truly it is vibrant and full of unperceived energy....... Quoting: shadowalker Because it is made up of mind substance This made me smile big after jusy posting about mind opening...same page and all gig, eh? The above equates to 'potential' yet to be realized. Last Edited by Swinging on Spirals on 09/05/2012 01:11 PM "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23223476 Australia 09/05/2012 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dark matter/energy what have you is truly not dark but as we humans only put images to about 1% of the light spectrum we see it as dark but truly it is vibrant and full of unperceived energy....... Quoting: shadowalker Because it is made up of mind substance This made me smile big after just posting about mind opening...same page and all gig, eh? well you know what they say? Make a girl smile or laugh & you got em half way into bed |
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(OP) User ID: 865798 United States 09/05/2012 01:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dark matter/energy what have you is truly not dark but as we humans only put images to about 1% of the light spectrum we see it as dark but truly it is vibrant and full of unperceived energy....... Quoting: shadowalker Because it is made up of mind substance This made me smile big after just posting about mind opening...same page and all gig, eh? well you know what they say? Make a girl smile or laugh & you got em half way into bed "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23223476 Australia 09/05/2012 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dark matter/energy what have you is truly not dark but as we humans only put images to about 1% of the light spectrum we see it as dark but truly it is vibrant and full of unperceived energy....... Quoting: shadowalker Because it is made up of mind substance This made me smile big after jusy posting about mind opening...same page and all gig, eh? The above equates to 'potential' yet to be realized. I think you're on the right track, the (physical) universe is made up of (Leibniz's) monads, most of them are unconcious, but all have the mathematical blueprint, therefore the potential, to be like..... God I suppose. Like a cell has the blueprint for the whole organism |
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User ID: 21435704 United States 09/05/2012 01:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dark matter/energy what have you is truly not dark but as we humans only put images to about 1% of the light spectrum we see it as dark but truly it is vibrant and full of unperceived energy....... Quoting: shadowalker Beautiful and mind opening. Thank you. thank you very nice post spirals good to see you on it shadowwalker thank you if you know anything about me I LOVE this stuff nice to see others like it aS well peace with you spirals Unity is our greatest ally.. For this is the way we will rise out of the ashes that is sure to come... I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets. 7 Howbeit he meaneth not so, neither doth his heart think so; but it is in his heart to destroy and cut off nations not a few. |
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User ID: 20792968 United States 09/05/2012 01:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dark matter/energy what have you is truly not dark but as we humans only put images to about 1% of the light spectrum we see it as dark but truly it is vibrant and full of unperceived energy....... Quoting: shadowalker Beautiful and mind opening. Thank you. thank you very nice post spirals I do intuitively perceive this arena of energy as creative potential, but had never thought about how it might look within the full light spectrum realm. It was truly mind expanding for me, like in a flash, when I read your post. Such the expansion may lead to greater understanding, and then have greater purpose, on down the road. I hope your day is as full of as much joy as you've just brought to me, shadowalker... And now, this is a good time for quiet meditation and reflection. You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
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(OP) User ID: 865798 United States 09/05/2012 01:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thank you if you know anything about me I LOVE this stuff nice to see others like it aS well peace with you spirals I have a ton of this kind of stuff. Here is a small compilation of my older threads. Thread: Sixth Sense "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived. |
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(OP) User ID: 865798 United States 09/05/2012 01:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This made me smile big after jusy posting about mind opening...same page and all gig, eh? The above equates to 'potential' yet to be realized. I think you're on the right track, the (physical) universe is made up of (Leibniz's) monads, most of them are unconcious, but all have the mathematical blueprint, therefore the potential, to be like..... God I suppose. Like a cell has the blueprint for the whole organism Unconscious as in without awareness. But, I understand you, and think on similar things. "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived. |
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User ID: 20792968 United States 09/05/2012 01:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Something wonderful is happening here, with us all posting like one another. My Aussie friend...harhar, yes you blew a little sunshine up my skirt. Love-love youse guyses... You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23223476 Australia 09/05/2012 01:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: cosmicgypsy This made me smile big after jusy posting about mind opening...same page and all gig, eh? The above equates to 'potential' yet to be realized. I think you're on the right track, the (physical) universe is made up of (Leibniz's) monads, most of them are unconcious, but all have the mathematical blueprint, therefore the potential, to be like..... God I suppose. Like a cell has the blueprint for the whole organism Unconscious as in without awareness. But, I understand you, and think on similar things. Um.. no, unconscious as in without consciousness. Maybe I mis-understand what you mean by awareness. We all start of in this way, and like a pawn on a chess board, we have the opportunity, through effort & achievement, to become as powerful as the queen |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1466619 Czechia 09/05/2012 01:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It has already been solved a big while ago. Dark matter (or at least the estimated amount of it in the universe) is an excuse. It is designed to help scientists compensate for the humongous flaws that inhabit the core of their "scientific" hypothesis. It is pretty much the same type of excuse that were used in the past, to compensate for idiot hypothesis like geocentrism. |
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(OP) User ID: 865798 United States 09/05/2012 01:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think you're on the right track, the (physical) universe is made up of (Leibniz's) monads, most of them are unconcious, but all have the mathematical blueprint, therefore the potential, to be like..... God I suppose. Like a cell has the blueprint for the whole organism Unconscious as in without awareness. But, I understand you, and think on similar things. Um.. no, unconscious as in without consciousness. Maybe I mis-understand what you mean by awareness. We all start of in this way, and like a pawn on a chess board, we have the opportunity, through effort & achievement, to become as powerful as the queen IMO, consciousness is everywhere. It is the creator that makes the blueprint as you mentioned above. It is imbued in everything. It is motive of creation. Now, there can be stated that there are many differing layers of consciousness, so I think we may confuse each other because of the lack of language for what we are discussing. If you think about your subconscious and recognize it as something that you are consciously unaware of, then we are getting closer to my meaning. Then, you have the 'supraconscious' which is deeper but has access to universal connectivity of information that the universe is derived from. Go deeper, and deeper, etc., and we find a base form of consciousness that pervades and IS within and without everything. Consciousness is the bridge between the material and non-material, therefor it is existing within and without. "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived. |
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(OP) User ID: 865798 United States 09/05/2012 01:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It has already been solved a big while ago. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1466619 Dark matter (or at least the estimated amount of it in the universe) is an excuse. It is designed to help scientists compensate for the humongous flaws that inhabit the core of their "scientific" hypothesis. It is pretty much the same type of excuse that were used in the past, to compensate for idiot hypothesis like geocentrism. "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 23235274 United Kingdom 09/05/2012 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SS- you seemed to know a lot of things regarding our universe and giving us constant clue to "confused" people like me . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14841999 Can you pls let us know if you are referring to Paul Laviollete's superwave? Not in this instance. But, I think other things that we have discussed concerning fluff, and the giant magnetic fields, etc can be associated with the dr.'s work. But, it may be unrelated as well. The reason I say this, is that it is very 'dynamic' out there, and we don't know a whole lot. Laviolette has stated that the superwave may travel at the speed of light, therefor we would never see it coming, and could never have a warning of its coming because of it moving at light speed. That's different than the idea that magnetic field lines and electric charges are carrier waves of energy. But, it is all related as well. It is more of a matter of how anyone may be relating these things to whatever they may be influencing. There are no such thing as "magnetic field lines", just as elevation contour lines on a map don't exist in Reality. All this "Dark Matter", "Dark Energy" and "Black Holes" Alice-in-Blunderland rubbish is just crap made up by mathematicians who refuse to see that Electricity moulds the Universe, not Gravity. |
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User ID: 21435704 United States 09/05/2012 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dark matter/energy what have you is truly not dark but as we humans only put images to about 1% of the light spectrum we see it as dark but truly it is vibrant and full of unperceived energy....... Quoting: shadowalker Beautiful and mind opening. Thank you. thank you very nice post spirals I do intuitively perceive this arena of energy as creative potential, but had never thought about how it might look within the full light spectrum realm. It was truly mind expanding for me, like in a flash, when I read your post. Such the expansion may lead to greater understanding, and then have greater purpose, on down the road. I hope your day is as full of as much joy as you've just brought to me, shadowalker... And now, this is a good time for quiet meditation and reflection. thank you It already is bless you friend Unity is our greatest ally.. For this is the way we will rise out of the ashes that is sure to come... I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets. 7 Howbeit he meaneth not so, neither doth his heart think so; but it is in his heart to destroy and cut off nations not a few. |
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User ID: 21435704 United States 09/05/2012 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thank you if you know anything about me I LOVE this stuff nice to see others like it aS well peace with you spirals I have a ton of this kind of stuff. Here is a small compilation of my older threads. Thread: Sixth Sense thank you will read soon be well my friend Unity is our greatest ally.. For this is the way we will rise out of the ashes that is sure to come... I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets. 7 Howbeit he meaneth not so, neither doth his heart think so; but it is in his heart to destroy and cut off nations not a few. |
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User ID: 21435704 United States 09/05/2012 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is this dark matters opposite Mr. Green? Nothing that manifests in the physical plane comes for null and void. What is DM's spiritual plane counter-part? Hmm?? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22876662 humm...look around your in it.... Unity is our greatest ally.. For this is the way we will rise out of the ashes that is sure to come... I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets. 7 Howbeit he meaneth not so, neither doth his heart think so; but it is in his heart to destroy and cut off nations not a few. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23182389 United States 09/05/2012 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'd highly recommend Leonard Susskind's 8 part lecture series on FLRW cosmology, filmed at Stanford U, he explains in explicit detail what is known, what isn't known, all the unanswered questions, all the problems and holes in the current model/s, radiation dominated universe as opposed to matter dominated universe, etc, etc. It's the best lecture series on the FLRW model I've found so far. AC,...sometimes it helps to actually know about what you say you don't believe in. I could care less what some pseudo-scientist has to pontificate on his "science discoveries"... Sometimes common sense takes over. Unless you're a potato. Until these quacks take into account all the other dimensions and realms, they're looking in an empty paper bag for the answers. Quacks and Bozos! Of course you don't. You have an " opinion " about something based on a lack of knowledge. There's a word to describe a lack of knowledge.....oh yeah...." Ignorance ". Who's a quack ? You [link to www.psychologytoday.com] |
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(OP) User ID: 865798 United States 09/05/2012 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: Plato What is this dark matters opposite Mr. Green? Nothing that manifests in the physical plane comes for null and void. What is DM's spiritual plane counter-part? Hmm?? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22876662 The bold confuses me. Did you mean 'comes FROM null and void'? Or, comes forth? This is a good mind exercise, lol. In the spiritual plane, it would be akin to Plato's Forms, I imagine. I'm doing a little research on PLATO. Quoting: Swinging on Spirals ...Plato later began to develop his own philosophy and the Socrates of the later dialogues does more teaching than he does questioning. The fundamental aspect of Plato's thought is the theory of "ideas" or "forms." Plato, like so many other Greek philosphers, was stymied by the question of change in the physical world. Heraclitus had said that there is nothing certain or stable except the fact that things change, and Parmenides and the Eleatic philosophers claimed that all change, motion, and time was an illusion. Where was the truth? How can these two opposite positions be reconciled? Plato ingeniously combined the two; a discussion of Plato's theory of forms is below. [link to www.wsu.edu:8080] Theory of Forms Quoting: Swinging on Spirals Main article: Theory of Forms The Theory of Forms (Greek) typically refers to the belief expressed by Socrates in some of Plato's dialogues, that the material world as it seems to us is not the real world, but only an image or copy of the real world. Socrates spoke of forms in formulating a solution to the problem of universals. The forms, according to Socrates, are roughly speaking archetypes or abstract representations of the many types of things, and properties we feel and see around us, that can only be perceived by reason (Greek:); (that is, they are universals). In other words, Socrates sometimes seems to recognise two worlds: the apparent world, which constantly changes, and an unchanging and unseen world of forms, which may be a cause of what is apparent. [link to en.wikipedia.org] "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived. |
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(OP) User ID: 865798 United States 09/05/2012 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SS- you seemed to know a lot of things regarding our universe and giving us constant clue to "confused" people like me . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14841999 Can you pls let us know if you are referring to Paul Laviollete's superwave? Not in this instance. But, I think other things that we have discussed concerning fluff, and the giant magnetic fields, etc can be associated with the dr.'s work. But, it may be unrelated as well. The reason I say this, is that it is very 'dynamic' out there, and we don't know a whole lot. Laviolette has stated that the superwave may travel at the speed of light, therefor we would never see it coming, and could never have a warning of its coming because of it moving at light speed. That's different than the idea that magnetic field lines and electric charges are carrier waves of energy. But, it is all related as well. It is more of a matter of how anyone may be relating these things to whatever they may be influencing. There are no such thing as "magnetic field lines", just as elevation contour lines on a map don't exist in Reality. All this "Dark Matter", "Dark Energy" and "Black Holes" Alice-in-Blunderland rubbish is just crap made up by mathematicians who refuse to see that Electricity moulds the Universe, not Gravity. You are correct. Bad wording. Magnetic fields. How's that? I don't think you understand that I am an EU/PU advocate. I think you want me to debate with you, you thinking I am not a EU/PU proponent. Last Edited by Swinging on Spirals on 09/05/2012 02:03 PM "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!" We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived. |