John Moore-Nibiru moderated thread for civil discusion

Here are just a few scientific theories of the past that are laughable today.

-The Earth is flat.
-The Sun revolves around the Earth.
-Radiation is harmless.
-Bloodletting with leeches is useful for healing because it balances the 4 humors.
-The basic elements are Earth, Fire, Water, and Air.
-Frogs come from mud.
-You can measure a man’s intelligence by the size of his head.
-Cocaine is perfectly safe to prescribe as a treatment for depression. (that wound up killing Sigmund Freud’s wife)
-Space is empty.

Science is forced to re-evaluate itself by new information regularly and popular politics is often heavily envolved.

Last Edited by Resister on 08/10/2012 12:01 PM

It might be a good idea to take a few swimming lessons just in case. LOL. I've heard so much fear porn over the last two years of my awakeness I don't know what the friggin truth is anymore. What I am certain of is if there is any advanced knowledge of an impending doomsday, there is no way in hell any lettered agency will ever attempt to warn everyone so all of us believers will just have to look like crazy bastards until there's a huge dark sphere engulfing the entire atmosphere and earthquakes and tidal waves from hell, then we can laugh at all the neigh sayers as the fireballs start whizzing through the air exploding everywhere.

nibiru is real
malachi 4:2


It will pull earth into its orbit elongating both our orbit and our lifespans.
it is the fulfillment of all bible prophecy
This whole planet will be moved.
Isaiah says the whole planet will be moved in two different places.
rev says "new heavens new earth" and the "light will come from god himself"

There are MANY more scriptures that validate it but it is too many to mention.
I will post them only if asked.

BUT our future is as a moon of nibiru.

Oh, maybe but it sounds like you're talking about something different. I specifically remember it was Neptune that was supposedly tilted, not Saturn. I'll look for the info sometime if I can remember.

The problem with the videos is that she said the models were off. At one time showing 75K miles missing earth and then later showing 5Kmiles missing earth when she choose a later dated model. If the model can be that far off, how can you trust it at all. Plus, even if it threw some debris in it could cause problems.

That is not what Malachi 4:2 says at all. It isn’t even a stretch. It is a complete fabrication. The whole chapter is only 6 verses and nothing like that is mentioned. Revelation does talk about a new heaven and a new earth, but that is after God’s 1000 years of peace and it doesn’t say that the new heaven and Earth are physically moved to different places in space by a gigantic planet. Please do not misquote scripture in this thread. It derails the thread and these kinds of posts will be removed if they become a problem.

Here is what the whole 4th chapter of Malachi actually says. NOTHING about Nibiru. (New American Standard version)

Malachi 4
For behold, the day is coming, burning like a furnace; and all the arrogant and every evildoer will be chaff; and the day that is coming will set them ablaze,” says the LORD of hosts, “so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.” “But for you who fear My name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings; and you will go forth and skip about like calves from the stall. You will tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day which I am preparing,” says the LORD of hosts.
4Remember the law of Moses My servant, even the statutes and ordinances which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel.
“Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD. He will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse.”

You know what, I am not an astronomer and I do not have a telescope but I have an interest and therefore I am a member of the Royal Astronomical Society of Canada. In other words, if you're interested and so inclined, anyone can run in those 'circles'.....

None of those were ever scientific theory as they were never tested against the scientific method.

I asked for major theories that have been proven wrong (gravity for example).

Regardless of this, science should expect to be wrong at some point in which case we will modify the theory. This doesn't lend any credence to your standpoint though barbecue science is the best tool ever devised for understanding how the world works. We are ALWAYS at the brink of the known.

What the hell are you even talking about?

this thread is much easier to read and be involved in without the crap from trolls

Thanks OP !

5 stars for you. the thread has been civil so far.

The interesting thing about that anecdote is that it's backwards; science had long known not only that the earth was round, but its circumference as well. It was the uneducated class that continued to think it was flat while scholars knew it was round from the time of Eratosthenes thousands of years before.

Robert Harrington.

No, he didn't. He thought there might be an additional planet out there which was referred to as planet X, but it did not resemble the conspiracy version of the planet X claims at all, nor did it resemble the "Nibiru" claims at all. Furthermore, his theory was later proven to be wrong.

Thread: Robert Harrington's Planet X Does Not Exist

My point was that science does change it's mind when it has new data and that whoever is in power at the time has a lot to do with what is propagated as the truth. For that reason I think my point is even more valid. There are some scientists today who do theorize that a monster planet X may be out there.

In the early 1980's in Jr high and high school I was really into anything space realted and I remember reading about a tenth planet being discovered in school in my science class. Then undiscovered, the discovered again, then undiscoverd beacue this or that person said it was an object in the Oort Cloud or Kuiper Belt or some such. They have even decided good ol' Pluto isn't really a full fledged planet any more. Point being, they change their minds.

I shouldn't have bothered responding to that AC bcause all he really wanted to do was derail the thread.

I like your posts because you address things head on and provide evidence. The only problem I am going to have with the evidence that is provided is that so much of it is dependent on going through a government filter of some kind and that just taints it for me. I do go to the JPL website and track an object if I am concerned. It's the best I can do to research, but what do I know? I don't have that equipment and I wouldn't know how to use it anyway. It's a dot on a page put there by someone who is employed by the government.

I think something is out there, but I will say this though. No fuzzy amature visibile light back yard video is going to be credible enough to prove a Jupiter sized object is crusing by the sun. I'm not falling for that either.

The Matese hypothesis and similar hypotheses put it so far away it wouldn't have any direct effects on us. It doesn't resemble the Nibiru claims at all. My point is that those who are unfamiliar with astronomy fail to see the distinctions, and more importantly, fail to understand why we know there is no such thing as a massive planet or brown dwarf approaching the inner solar system.
[link to arxiv.org]

It sounds like you were confused by the media's portrayal of IRAS' findings in the 80's. No planet was ever found by IRAS, but the media tried to spin it that it could be a planet. Next thing you know, people "remember" that they "found a planet." They didn't. Way to go mainstream media. The whole pluto issue is one of classification and is a separate issue. There was a time where we counted every rock we found as a planet. We only knew of a few rocks out there besides the major planets and their moons, so we just kept classifying all of them as planets. Eventually the solar system had 18 planets by our count. 18. It wasn't until later that these new planets fell exclusively under a separate classification of asteroids, and rather than refer to them as being among the primary planets, they are now known as "minor planets."
[link to spaceweather.com]

Well you can certainly do your own tracking of a sort even without a telescope. That dot on a government page started as a dot in someone's telescope. The data on that dot's position is then sent to the IAU's minor planet center where it is collected along with other data on the same dot from astronomers all over the world. They distribute the raw position and brightness data, called astrometric data, freely. JPL uses it to create their own orbital solutions of the same objects, but you can use it too. You can also see where all the data comes from, and if you like, you can restrict the data you use to purely amateur and non-government sources and verify for yourself that it agrees with the "official" solution.

That's the thing, if such an object really were cruising through the solar system, an amateur telescope would be more than adequate for proving it. All anyone would have to do is measure its position over a given interval of time and solve the orbit themselves; a single person with a single backyard telescope can do that, I do it myself for various objects. Those orbital elements would then allow everyone else with a telescope to track the same object. That would be hard, concrete, irrefutable proof of its existence.

Last Edited by Astromut on 08/10/2012 02:09 PM

EXACTLY, i can't quote the program but it was a National Geographic show on astronomers trying to find another solar system like ours/other planets like earth, and in that show they said they had made discoveries that blew old science out of the water, things that old science had rationalized away into not existing, were happening. Watch that show, they say it themselves, that science is constantly being re-written.

Last Edited by M*walk on 08/10/2012 02:41 PM

Curious.
According to the Jewish calendar August 17th (sunset) starts Rosh Chodesh Elul (new moon day for the month of Elul) which is to start with a trumpet blast (Num 10:10). This starts the holiest 40 day period of repentance of the year culminating in the great trumpet blast of Yom Kippur which is on September 26th this year. These are the in and out dates for this mysterious object as per Mr. Moore. Whoever picked these dates picked the most solemn days in the Jewish calendar.

That the configuration of other solar systems surprised us should itself not be all that surprising. It was foolish to assume they would all look pretty much like ours. The basic physics that govern those systems, however, are still the same.

Very interesting. The August 17 date given on John Moore's show was not from him or his source of info. It was from Mike Harris's source. Still, anyone who thinks we are in the season of Mathew 24 should be keeping the Jewish festivals in mind.

Something particularly interesting to me that I learned last year was that when Christ said that "no man knows the day or the hour", that was a phrase that would have been common in his day because the Jewish New Year and the Feast of Trumpets is begun when two witnesses confirm the first sliver of the new moon as seen in Jerusalem in the Hebrew month of Tishrei. That is the same time frame.

Last Edited by Resister on 08/10/2012 03:26 PM

I've seen so many pictures of it and have for years now

all the descriptions match the visuals

it's invisible in some light spectrums

visible in infrared

supposedly behind our Sun at present, and being viewed moreso when and with the appropriate equipment I expect, from the OZ end of the planet

I know this world unfolds in dualism, always. I know the actual entity known as The Destroyer is forthcoming. This planet coincides with his arrival, as is ever the case in prophetic events as the constellations are the storyboard of the Creator

every visual I've seen of this object is abhorrent to behold, it's essence alone is beyond disturbing, especially if you are an empathetic individual.

as far as asthetics go it is void of same entirely

it's hideosity proceeds it and no doubt follows it's course as well, clearly

call it what you will including a myth, the same holds true for the common consensus regarding it's namesake, so that would be par for the course and as expected

it has a presence one would do well to be able to forget, altho I sincerely doubt that will be the case in our own

those generations gone by certainly had trouble letting it go, in passing

the stones speak in more ways than one in this regard, referencing both the Destroyer and it's namesake en masse

Then post them.

If it were "behind the sun at present" then there'd be no advantage whatsoever to viewing it "from the oz end of the planet."

I think he was just trying to say that scientists were forced to reconsider what was possible because of the new data and observations. You can't see what you are not looking for, especially if you believe that it doesn't exist.

Last Edited by Resister on 08/10/2012 04:04 PM

Actually we know that Nibiru doesn't exist. We can exclude that possibility because analysis of the orbits of the planets shows that there is no massive object within at least the radius that a 3600 year orbit would have. Any massive objects that are out there must, must be at farther distances and indeed thanks to the matese hypothesis, we are looking for just such an object.

I have read quite a few of your threads and posts in my few years here on GLP. I’ve enjoyed them. You’ve got the tools and the knowledge. I’m not going to be able to have an argument on data with you because you are the one with that expertise and I am not. But that first sentence though, that I can take issue with. I mean no insult, but when scientists take that tact of “we know such and so doesn’t exist because our science says so” it’s like the librarian at the Jedi Temple who told Obi-Wan that his planet didn’t exist because it wasn’t in their records. You may not mean it that way, but it just comes across so arrogantly.

I get it. You don’t believe planet X exists within any distance to be cause for concern for a long long time. You’ve made your point. Please don’t jack the thread by jumping on every poster you don’t agree with. We can disagree can’t we? You can shake your head and chuckle at what we don’t know that you are so certain of and we can understand that your expertise is qualified and legitimate. Right? Can we shake hands?

Ironically, the planet was located despite being deleted from the database by its gravity, which is exactly why we know Nibiru does not exist. Maybe it comes across as arrogant, but it's fundamentally no different from saying that we know there isn't a black hole in the inner solar system.

You would rather continue in ignorance than allow me to point out where the claims are wrong? I'm trying to "jack the thread." That's not what debunking is about. I'll remain on subject, but when I see something wrong being bandied about I'll point it out as such.

LOL! Excellent come back. I don't mind being kept on my toes.

Dr. Astro, I enjoy your posts sometimes. On the other hand, just because you post something doesn't mean I agree. I can't banter with you specifically because you DO know more about the subject than I. Even with that, I'm still allowed an opinion and mine is that it seems you believe everything you were taught in books and aren't able to think of the possibilities. We still don't know everything about space and for you to always post that there is no way something could be possible sometimes actually drops credibility that you're trying to prove.

Blame it on me not being an astrophysicist if you want, I'm sure you will blame my differing opinion on stupidity but it's actually more stubbornness because I don't have any reason to believe you over other experts--sorry.

Could you be specific as to what these "inconsistencies from NASA" and "blocked questions" are?

I never said you weren't allowed an opinion that differed from mine, my problem was simply with statements of fact that were not accurate.

I never said we knew everything about space. That is separate from knowing some things about space. Not everything is possible; it's not possible for there to be a solar mass black hole hiding in the asteroid belt right now, for instance. Is it possible there's a solar mass black hole hiding a few light years away? Possible, I suspect, but unlikely, and I'd have to do a more extensive analysis even just to know if it's truly a possibility.

I don't blame your differing opinion on stupidity; I don't see you calling me a shill, or accusing me of being a secret NASA agent just because I disagree with you. I would be curious to know who these other experts are who disagree with me though.