Scotts Miracle-Gro Company's threat: Quit smoking or You're Fired! | |
mercury User ID: 922 United States 12/21/2005 01:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If I were you guys, I'd be thinking more and more about self-employment. Small business creates jobs! What if the only places to work were places like the hell of Miracle Gro or Wal Mart or Home Depot. I honestly am not sure if I could bring myself to submit to a drug test. I know why they do it but I still think it's wrong. And I haven't had a drink or used any drugs at all for about eleven or twelve years. Haven't had a cig for over four years and never will again. But I am pro smokers, and pro smokers rights. So anyway, the more sick all this stuff makes you, the more inspired you should be to start your own company and make your own rules. I owned a garden center for almost ten years. If this firing smokers shit had gone down while I was still in the business, I would have dropped their products, I am pretty sure. Course, then you would want to check other companies' policies, maybe it's not practical, but this is really beyond the pale. Never was too into their products but I know who to boycott now. I am very very grateful to be working for a small business and will count my blessings even more. Please, if you are going to smoke, do it wholeheartedly, don't feel guilty, enjoy every minute of it. And if you are going to quit, do it for real, don't sit on the fence, don't quit and then start again and quit again, it is so hard on yourself to live that way. Don't torture yourself. Either smoke or don't smoke. But do, do smoke with abandon until you quit! And then, quit for good! Don't be wishy washy. - - mercury |
Firestone User ID: 24630 United States 12/21/2005 01:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And before any non-smokers dogpile this, just remember, you could be next. Are you a non-smoker but overweight? What you going to do when they tell you to drop some weight or be fired. Are you a non-smoker but drink alcohol. What are you going to do when they start piss testing for alcohol abuse? Anything can be used as a reason to fire someone if this is allowed to continue. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 55497 Ireland 12/21/2005 01:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's an article [link to www.post-gazette.com] about the smoking rule. |
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A. Smoker User ID: 53896 United States 12/21/2005 06:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what a fucking hypocrite. 2 packs a day and he does this -?- 20 years later? I faced the same dilemma years ago - just pressure to quit, no mandate - and I told the boss to go to hell. Oh yes I quit, my job that is. Bullcrap. And I would do it again if need be. Smoking is good for me. I love it. It keeps me young and healthy and I know that to quit would make me sick and probably shorten my life. So there. They are wrong about this. Thanks for the post. I shall never buy Scotts or Miracle Grow products ever again. I will tell all my friends about this. I will make sure this costs them sales. Rant over and out. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 53295 Canada 12/21/2005 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bye Bye Scotts, You Just lost another buyer of your products! I will be spreading and sharing this with all my Scotts Miracle Gro Neighbors! Remember, the customer is important for sales... the employee is important for doing your dirty work so you can MAKE MONEY! so if you look at the big picture... without the first 2 your done. My New Years Resolution. If a Company cannot treat employees with respect, dignity, honest fair pay rates, a healthy environment and decent benefits and a quality product. I no longer will continue to support that company through the purchases of their products. So while I am going out to the garage now to dispose of all my Miracle-Gro products and fertilzers, ask Walmart how it feels when the awake consumers no longer purchase their products. Welcome to my list Scotts Happy Holidays! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 55581 United States 12/21/2005 10:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | After monitoring their employees' smoking habits, eating habits will come next, then how many hours of sleep you get each night, how many hours of exercise you do each week, how long you sit in front of the tv, how many shits you take per week...and it will never end. Looks like I'll be buying the generic versions of miracle gro from here on out. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 260 United States 12/21/2005 11:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here we go again another liberal PC assault on the public. HOW can anyone not see who is really behind disarming the public, mandating restrictive laws, between liberal fascists and their greedy lawyers, we will all be affected in one way or another. Time for the public to not only say "hands off our Christma" but hands off our freedom! How anyone can be forced to live by an employers rules before and after work is totally amazing and gastly! The "Do Rights" of our society think they know better than we whats best for us. that'll be the day :::::middle finger flying salute::::::: |
sickandtired User ID: 55451 Canada 12/21/2005 11:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it so funny, smoke companies put poison in the smokes and the government only forces them to label as such? fools. here's how it should work: should a product intended for consumption be found to have poison in it, armed guards should take over the factory and arrest people. THAT FUCKIN SIMPLE YOU SHEEP. |
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c-ya User ID: 3364 United States 12/21/2005 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thanks for the thread no more scotts products for me 'The threat represents the latest attempt by an employer to try to reduce health-care costs by targeting smokers.' Funny - many have this backwards: smoking actually reduces your health care costs have not seen any definitive proof that smoking causes cancer - just a lot of propaganda gotta go light up |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 3364 United States 12/21/2005 01:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | nicotine keeps you more alert, enhances psychic abilities... native americans promoted nicotine use in moderation... areas of world with highest incidence of smokers have the lowest rates of lung cancer... areas with lowest incidence of smokers have the highest rates of cancers.... and why are the owners of tobacco (RJ Reynolds) etc.. included on the witch hunt to rid of us cigarettes????? Smoking decreases your health care costs. Gotta go light up. |
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User ID: 30702 United States 12/21/2005 02:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They can have my smokes when they pry them from my cold, dead hands! GRRRRRRRRR! What's makes these companies think they can mandate what we do in the privacy of our own homes??? Who do they think they are, the GOVERNMENT??? Just think, folks. If they get away with this, what's next?? Too scary to think about. It's like we've been thrown into Stalinist USSR...... |
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User ID: 30702 United States 12/21/2005 04:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, I have known elderly people who smoked! My husband's grandfather died at the ripe old age of 102. He smoked cigars (and inhaled them, btw) constantly. I do not ever remember seeing that man the entire time I knew him without a lit cigar in his hand or in his mouth! He also drank a pint of "mad dog 20/20" every day. My grandfather lived to the ripe old age of 99. He smoked 2 packs a day until the day he died. My Aunt is 87. She smokes at least a pack a day, if not more. Shall I go on????? Have I ever met an elderly person who was obese? Of course, but the elderly ones I know became obese in their later years, not a lifetime problem. Mainly gained weight when they could no longer be so active due to other issues, like arthritis. |
Sinanju nli User ID: 47178 United States 12/21/2005 04:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, huge amounts of them.. and living to ripe old age. "Have you ever known an elderly person who was obese?" I have never known anybody who was a lifelong overweight person to live into the elderly years. The older people who are fat now.. did not use to be. Cigarettes are NOT carcinogens... lung disease.. yep! emphysema? You betcha! But cancer? nope... cancer comes from the big nuclear furnace in the sky... and all these cars.. and all the poisins we put into our bodies willingly with every "happy" meal. Did you know that a 2 year old in Los Angeles has already inhaled a LIFETIME supply of carcinogens.... It's true. That's a LOT of cigarettes, ain't it? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 30916 Australia 12/21/2005 05:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | sinanju, I tend to agree with about the emphysemas thing. But I did come across a study that linked radioisotopes released from rock phosphorus fertilizer to cancer. Not the product itself (giggies that ie). So in theory food fertilised with rock phospates could be carcinogenic. According to this study. But why use that shit anyway, as 380 chemical ferts are shit, wqell they are not shit more to the point, thats why they are so toxic. Here's how you replace miracle grow. grow comfrey in the garden. Harvesat the leaves and put them in a big tub of water. Add a bit of manure, compost, bananas and mangoes and other fruit if ya want sweetness out of the fertilizer as well, a bit of straw to facilitate the breakdown, lecerne if ya can get it. A bit of seaweed concentrate. Stir it around let it settle for a fortnight. Dilute and serve. Bobs your uncle. you can add confrey leaves, bananas and seaweed whenever and it will not cause the mixture to burn your plants. Your soil will thrive instead of being poisoned. Your food will taste sweet and be healthy, full of nutrients and goodness. your flowers will bloom and be fragrant. Your fruit will be sweet. Miracle grow, and other chemical fertilizers often use substances that would otherwise be considered toxic waste, if they were anywhere but a container for you to add water to and stick on your garden. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30916 Australia 12/21/2005 05:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | as far as the company goes, well I maybe an evil commie socialist but why sould the company pay? They agreed to. As part of the deal they offered workers they provide medical care. or at least insurance. They have no right to determine what people do so long as they fulfill their obligations re work and productivity, the rest of their lives are their own and no ones fucking business. What are they gonna stop people playihg sport cos they might get injured? Sorry, can't play golf on the weekend, people have had heart attacks playing golf. Its a joke. And the "thin edge of the wedge" as corporations try to usurp more and more of the role of government in peopoles lives. Their view of regulation is not governed by anything other than the bottom line.Corporate rule is Nazism, and this is a classic example. All Scotts workers should strike, picket all their production sites and so, no more production until you fuckers back off. Oops can't agitate the slaves, thats seditious. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55717 Ireland 12/21/2005 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Linda Sutkin, 50, who works in customer service at Scotts, won't have that worry. After attending a company-sponsored smoking-cessation program and taking Zyban, a medication to help quit, Sutkin smoked her last cigarette in January 2004. She said she misses the camaraderie of smoking with friends on breaks but is glad she quit. Other smokers at headquarters are concerned about the company's October deadline, she said. "The consensus is like, is this the end or is it going to lead to something else?" she said. "Are they going to watch what we eat?" [link to www.journalnow.com] |