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NO SHEEPLES
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TBar1984
User ID: 13725461 United States 07/12/2012 04:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The strength of the Earth's magnetic field has decreased 10 percent over the past 150 years, raising the remote possibility that it may collapse and later reverse, flipping the planet's poles for the first time in nearly a million years, scientists said Thursday. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19433400 At the current rate of decline, the field could vanish altogether in 1,500 to 2,000 years, said Jeremy Bloxham of Harvard University. Hundreds of years could pass before a flip-flopped field returned to where it was 780,000 years ago. However, scientists at the fall meeting of the American Geophysical Union cautioned that scenario is an unlikely one. "The chances are it will not," Bloxham said. "Reversals are a rare event." [link to www.msnbc.msn.com] 12 / 12 / 2003 Dec 2, 2010 Earth's Magnetic Field: From Satellites to Reversals |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19433400 United States 07/12/2012 04:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm starting to feel like a fucking shill at this point. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19433400 I just cant stand seeing people spend 10 hours on GLP with maybe 1\10 of the actual data of something But they wont spend 1-2 hours learning about something via google or whatever search engine you use. And then these wannabe non informed "scientists" run around on this site scaring the shit out of people with misinformation. I'm no scientist and there is a lot of people that no far more than I do on this subject but at least I do my research so when I do actually post I know what I'm talking about not just repeating shit they read on a conspiracy forum Most people will not even go threw a post they will go and look at the last maybe 1-2 pages and see if anyone quoted up some good shit and that will be what is people base there knowledge off of. |
CultivatingMass
User ID: 15716609 United States 07/12/2012 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | a cme can and only will affect power grids! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19129594 your laptop and computers are not going to be affected as they all have ECM protection on the power supply unit! The moment the electricity fluctuate too low or too high it shuts down. Yep its the big power transformers on the electricity grids that would be at risk from a major CME because they are grounded and its the high ground currents from major CMEs that can overload transformers and cause them to fail. The coils inside can even melt, not an quick thing to fix! thanks for sharing this very useful info |
redrosie
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 19627644 United States 07/12/2012 04:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The proton flux recovery time keeps going higher Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19627644 [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] I dont think this week is going to end well There is no substantive scientific evidence to suggest that energetic proton events are harmful to human health at ground levels, particularly at latitudes where most of the Earth's population resides. The Earth's magnetic field is exceptionally good at preventing the radiative effects of energetic particles from reaching ground levels. High altitude commercial transpolar aircraft flights have measured increases in radiation during energetic proton events, but a warning system is in place that limits these effects by alerting pilots to lower their cruising altitudes. Aircraft flights away from the polar regions are far less likely to see an impact from solar proton events. [link to en.wikipedia.org] But isnt our magnetic field failing now Does your compass still work ? Have never owned one so I wouldnt know.If I knew I wouldnt have ask the question |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 19628404 United States 07/12/2012 04:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | a cme can and only will affect power grids! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19129594 your laptop and computers are not going to be affected as they all have ECM protection on the power supply unit! The moment the electricity fluctuate too low or too high it shuts down. Yep its the big power transformers on the electricity grids that would be at risk from a major CME because they are grounded and its the high ground currents from major CMEs that can overload transformers and cause them to fail. The coils inside can even melt, not an quick thing to fix! thanks for sharing this very useful info unfortunately their info is incorrect prepare as you will |
Steve8511
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 7546576 United States 07/12/2012 04:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | a cme can and only will affect power grids! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19129594 your laptop and computers are not going to be affected as they all have ECM protection on the power supply unit! The moment the electricity fluctuate too low or too high it shuts down. Yep its the big power transformers on the electricity grids that would be at risk from a major CME because they are grounded and its the high ground currents from major CMEs that can overload transformers and cause them to fail. The coils inside can even melt, not an quick thing to fix! thanks for sharing this very useful info unfortunately their info is incorrect prepare as you will There is a 197 page report called "Geomagnetic Storms and Their Impacts on the U.S. Power Grid", do a search for it on Google. It concludes that 100's to 1,000's of transformers in the US grid alone are at risk of failing in a worst case CME scenario. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7546576 United States 07/12/2012 04:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | a cme can and only will affect power grids! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19129594 your laptop and computers are not going to be affected as they all have ECM protection on the power supply unit! The moment the electricity fluctuate too low or too high it shuts down. Yep its the big power transformers on the electricity grids that would be at risk from a major CME because they are grounded and its the high ground currents from major CMEs that can overload transformers and cause them to fail. The coils inside can even melt, not an quick thing to fix! thanks for sharing this very useful info unfortunately their info is incorrect prepare as you will [link to science.nasa.gov] |
Bendro
User ID: 19578905 United States 07/12/2012 04:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm starting to feel like a fucking shill at this point. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19433400 I just cant stand seeing people spend 10 hours on GLP with maybe 1\10 of the actual data of something But they wont spend 1-2 hours learning about something via google or whatever search engine you use. And then these wannabe non informed "scientists" run around on this site scaring the shit out of people with misinformation. I'm no scientist and there is a lot of people that no far more than I do on this subject but at least I do my research so when I do actually post I know what I'm talking about not just repeating shit they read on a conspiracy forum Most people will not even go threw a post they will go and look at the last maybe 1-2 pages and see if anyone quoted up some good shit and that will be what is people base there knowledge off of. Ah, so there are some other smart people who dont waste their time on 11 pages of retarded junk. |
TerrorByte. User ID: 15766346 United States 07/12/2012 04:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | a cme can and only will affect power grids! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19129594 your laptop and computers are not going to be affected as they all have ECM protection on the power supply unit! The moment the electricity fluctuate too low or too high it shuts down. Thanks for this info. I did not know that and was a bit worried. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19392583 United States 07/12/2012 04:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7546576 Yep its the big power transformers on the electricity grids that would be at risk from a major CME because they are grounded and its the high ground currents from major CMEs that can overload transformers and cause them to fail. The coils inside can even melt, not an quick thing to fix! thanks for sharing this very useful info unfortunately their info is incorrect prepare as you will There is a 197 page report called "Geomagnetic Storms and Their Impacts on the U.S. Power Grid", do a search for it on Google. It concludes that 100's to 1,000's of transformers in the US grid alone are at risk of failing in a worst case CME scenario. Yes, 100's to 1,000's out of how many? hmmm Worst case scenario? Well what's the biggest that could hit? & If we got hit by the largest one conceivable, would we care, or be alive to care, about the power? |
RTS REDUX
User ID: 8620349 United States 07/12/2012 04:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Carrington Event of 1859 was the first documented event of a solar ... that the flare reached a peak strength of about X45 Read Again... X45 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19433400 [link to www.space.com] I mean I love science and I find it interesting to know what is going on with our solar system but I wouldn't poop my pants over a small flare. We had a X28+...AN X28!! 4/11/03 and we did not lose our electricity then so I'm going to go on a hunch we wont right now either... I can not imagine the mass panic and hysteria on this site during that day. God it had to be marvelous YOUR wrong Buddy,,... you should read evey thing when you read... "2003: The Ultra-Powerful Halloween Sun Storm(( The sensor topped out at X28, already a massive flare), but later analysis found that the flare reached a peak strength of about X45, NASA has said. The solar storm was part of a string of at least nine major flares over a two-week period. )) "" Solar Flare Classifications Solar flares are classified as A, B, C, M or X according to the peak flux (in watts per square meter, W/m2) of 100 to 800 picometer X-rays near Earth, as measured on the GOES spacecraft. Each class has a peak flux ten times greater than the preceding one, with X class flares having a peak flux of order 10-4 W/m2. Within a class there is a linear scale from 1 to 9, so an X2 flare is twice as powerful as an X1 flare, and is four times more powerful than an M5 flare. The more powerful M and X class flares are often associated with a variety of effects on the near-Earth space environment. 1859: The Carrington Event The Carrington Event of 1859 was the first documented event of a solar flare impacting Earth. The flare was the largest documented solar storm in the last 500 years, NASA scientists have said. It also caused severe interruptions in global telegraph communications, even shocking some telegraph operators and sparking fires when discharges from the lines ignited telegraph paper, according to a NASA description. - [link to www.space.com] Nothing about X45 for this one.. It was just a big 1.. that flare wasn't earth directed and if you compare the CME from that flare to what is shown on Stereo A from this flare there's not nearly as much ejecta imo. Plus no ejecta from the flare is apparent on any of the SDO images which I think indicates that it's pointed directly at Earth. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19433400 United States 07/12/2012 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19433400 There is no substantive scientific evidence to suggest that energetic proton events are harmful to human health at ground levels, particularly at latitudes where most of the Earth's population resides. The Earth's magnetic field is exceptionally good at preventing the radiative effects of energetic particles from reaching ground levels. High altitude commercial transpolar aircraft flights have measured increases in radiation during energetic proton events, but a warning system is in place that limits these effects by alerting pilots to lower their cruising altitudes. Aircraft flights away from the polar regions are far less likely to see an impact from solar proton events. [link to en.wikipedia.org] But isnt our magnetic field failing now Does your compass still work ? Have never owned one so I wouldnt know.If I knew I wouldnt have ask the question The reason why a compass works is more interesting. It turns out that you can think of the Earth as having a gigantic bar magnet buried inside. In order for the north end of the compass to point toward the North Pole, you have to assume that the buried bar magnet has its south end at the North Pole, as shown in the diagram at the right. If you think of the world this way, then you can see that the normal "opposites attract" rule of magnets would cause the north end of the compass needle to point toward the south end of the buried bar magnet. So the compass points toward the North Pole. To be completely accurate, the bar magnet does not run exactly along the Earth's rotational axis. It is skewed slightly off center. This skew is called the declination, and most good maps indicate what the declination is in different areas (since it changes a little depending on where you are on the planet). The magnetic field of the Earth is fairly weak on the surface. After all, the planet Earth is almost 8,000 miles in diameter, so the magnetic field has to travel a long way to affect your compass. That is why a compass needs to have a lightweight magnet and a frictionless bearing. Otherwise, there just isn't enough strength in the Earth's magnetic field to turn the needle. [link to adventure.howstuffworks.com] So if it started to lose our magnetic field to the point of it truly weakening we would no longer be able to tell north from north, south from south etc.. All world maps would have to be changed and shown their declination ( change in degree's) Now there are some more sensitive parts in the world that have shown signs of our magnetic field changing but it isnt a world altering event. They just have to make a very small declination as I said before. Earth’s Magnetic Field Shifts, Forcing Airport Runway Change [link to www.livescience.com] |
Damrod
User ID: 6266696 United States 07/12/2012 04:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | a cme can and only will affect power grids! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19129594 your laptop and computers are not going to be affected as they all have ECM protection on the power supply unit! The moment the electricity fluctuate too low or too high it shuts down. And unlike the old DC telegraphs, our a/c grid will kick out in the event of such emp, they have trip breakers ya know.. On top of that, EVERY power line in the US has a top ground wire, connected to a ground at very pole, so in such event it will absorb almost all emf coming down not effecting the system... << I know, I work for AEP Here ya go Mr. Lineman... [link to spectrum.ieee.org] [link to www.nationaldefensemagazine.org] [link to science.nasa.gov] The point of discussion is.... "IF" there was a Carrington Event level discharge today, the Power grid IS at risk...Transmission lines are still vulnerable, as are substations and transformers. Inconveneient, but very much a truth. Try reading and researching the "science". I could say I work for the CDC and Ebola is the equivalent of a head cold... but that does not make any of it true. Last Edited by Damrod on 07/12/2012 04:57 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7546576 United States 07/12/2012 04:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is a 197 page report called "Geomagnetic Storms and Their Impacts on the U.S. Power Grid", do a search for it on Google. It concludes that 100's to 1,000's of transformers in the US grid alone are at risk of failing in a worst case CME scenario. Yes, 100's to 1,000's out of how many? hmmm Worst case scenario? Well what's the biggest that could hit? & If we got hit by the largest one conceivable, would we care, or be alive to care, about the power? Based on a repeat of the CME from the 1859 flare happening today: "Based on current production rates, building replacement transformers would take as long as 4 to 10 years, during which more than a hundred million people would be without centrally provided power, causing an estimated economic impact in the U.S. of $1 to $2 trillion in the first year alone." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19628404 United States 07/12/2012 04:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7546576 Yep its the big power transformers on the electricity grids that would be at risk from a major CME because they are grounded and its the high ground currents from major CMEs that can overload transformers and cause them to fail. The coils inside can even melt, not an quick thing to fix! thanks for sharing this very useful info unfortunately their info is incorrect prepare as you will There is a 197 page report called "Geomagnetic Storms and Their Impacts on the U.S. Power Grid", do a search for it on Google. It concludes that 100's to 1,000's of transformers in the US grid alone are at risk of failing in a worst case CME scenario. I agree that the transformers are at risk do you know why? poor grounding that would cause gound potential to raise now, one has to ask, with the power grid poorly grounded, what will cause the charge to disapate as it would need to go to ground if a 50 volt charge spike came over your neutral/ground in the house, that is now 170V which will kill any electronic product designed for 120 the voltage spikes from a serious event will easily exceed an extra 50 volts |
TerrorByte User ID: 15766346 United States 07/12/2012 04:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | a cme can and only will affect power grids! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19129594 your laptop and computers are not going to be affected as they all have ECM protection on the power supply unit! The moment the electricity fluctuate too low or too high it shuts down. Yep its the big power transformers on the electricity grids that would be at risk from a major CME because they are grounded and its the high ground currents from major CMEs that can overload transformers and cause them to fail. The coils inside can even melt, not an quick thing to fix! thanks for sharing this very useful info unfortunately their info is incorrect prepare as you will SOOO, should I just unplug stuff then or would it even matter? |
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redzed
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 16845676 United States 07/12/2012 05:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The R3 (Strong) Radio Blackout today at 12:49 EDT (1649 UTC) was accompanied by an earth-directed CME. Hampered by limited observations of the event, SWPC forecasters are now anticipating the passage of the CME around 1:00 a.m. EDT, Saturday, July 14. G1 (minor) Geomagnetic Storm activity is expected to then ensue through the rest of the day. An S1 (minor) Solar Radiation Storm is now occurring, also a consequence of the flare/CME. The parent active region, NOAA 1520, appears to have retained its ability to erupt, so watch for more. Updates here. [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19628404 United States 07/12/2012 05:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7546576 Yep its the big power transformers on the electricity grids that would be at risk from a major CME because they are grounded and its the high ground currents from major CMEs that can overload transformers and cause them to fail. The coils inside can even melt, not an quick thing to fix! thanks for sharing this very useful info unfortunately their info is incorrect prepare as you will SOOO, should I just unplug stuff then or would it even matter? physically removing the plug may save some stuff, thats for sure |
Damrod
User ID: 6266696 United States 07/12/2012 05:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For those that asked about "protecting" things... Not that you need to for these smaller flares. When we get an X-30 or up, yeah, might want to consider it. Nice article though...enjoy. [link to www.futurescience.com] Here's another one... [link to www.csl.army.mil] Last Edited by Damrod on 07/12/2012 05:12 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 19605629 Germany 07/12/2012 05:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Today's CME forecast to hit us Sat., between 3 am & 5 pm EDT. Moderate to severe activity (Kp 6-8) possible. Here's the ISWA Model: [link to iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov] i will need some beer now sun makes me reeeeeal thirsty now^^ :hofbräuduur: |
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