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Anonymous Coward User ID: 3146258 United States 06/30/2012 02:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >I'm not familiar with you or how you think/feel so I will just ask. Who would this distribution of wealth apply to??< Quoting: Critical Realist I am a democratic socialist. I support a negative income tax. That means that people who make over a certain amount will pay taxes (proportionately) to a "storehouse." Those who make below that amount will receive money from the storehouse (also proportionately). within this ^ system what is the incentive to make more money ? I don't know, it seemed to work fine until the early 80's where the tax rate was lowered from 70% to 50% and then to 30% in the late 80's. It was 91% from the 40's to the 50's. Oddly enough the economy has been going downhill since the tax rates have been lowered. I suppose if you wanted to be really REALLY rich, under such high tax rates, you'd have to OPEN MORE FACTORIES AND CREATE MORE JOBS. DUH!!! But no, too many idiots have drunken the "trickle down" KoolAid and actually believe that this idiotic theory creates jobs LOL!!! [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10321326 United States 06/30/2012 02:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >>what is the incentive to make more money ?<< Quoting: Critical Realist I reject the capitalist premise that people should try to make money. Service, in one's work, should come out of love for others, not out of a desire to make a profit. That makes you a perfect volunteer. You should be proud of your selflessness and leave the others to do their bidding unencumbered. However, remember that the burden of providing for your basic needs- rests with you. Please do not expect that I will be obligated to do so. |
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User ID: 9381180 United States 06/30/2012 02:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >>If the only people who want to redistribute wealth are those that have no wealth, then please explain why the only movement of wealth went to the people at the top, who already have most of the wealth.<< The best predictor of a person's social class is that person's parents' social class. Mark A. Foster, Ph.D. [link to www.markfoster.net] |
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User ID: 9381180 United States 06/30/2012 02:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >>oh, you're talking about an imaginary fantasy world than.<< I am talking about what may come next. The current system has a lot of problems. Mark A. Foster, Ph.D. [link to www.markfoster.net] |
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User ID: 9381180 United States 06/30/2012 02:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are personalizing it. I was not talking about myself. I do fine between my professorship and my consulting work. Mark A. Foster, Ph.D. [link to www.markfoster.net] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10321326 United States 06/30/2012 02:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >I'm not familiar with you or how you think/feel so I will just ask. Who would this distribution of wealth apply to??< Quoting: Critical Realist I am a democratic socialist. I support a negative income tax. That means that people who make over a certain amount will pay taxes (proportionately) to a "storehouse." Those who make below that amount will receive money from the storehouse (also proportionately). within this ^ system what is the incentive to make more money ? I don't know, it seemed to work fine until the early 80's where the tax rate was lowered from 70% to 50% and then to 30% in the late 80's. It was 91% from the 40's to the 50's. Oddly enough the economy has been going downhill since the tax rates have been lowered. I suppose if you wanted to be really REALLY rich, under such high tax rates, you'd have to OPEN MORE FACTORIES AND CREATE MORE JOBS. DUH!!! But no, too many idiots have drunken the "trickle down" KoolAid and actually believe that this idiotic theory creates jobs LOL!!! [link to en.wikipedia.org] If you're one of those waiting for/ or depending on "trickle down" you are already a loser. How about being a go getter. How about being aggressive and working hard and getting what you need in that manner. |
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User ID: 9381180 United States 06/30/2012 02:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >>Ok, then what was your point professor?<< My point is to express my views on the redistribution of wealth. Most American socialists are not poor people. Mark A. Foster, Ph.D. [link to www.markfoster.net] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10321326 United States 06/30/2012 02:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >>Ok, Quoting: Critical Realist then what was your point professor?<< My point is to express my views on the redistribution of wealth. Most American socialists are not poor people. Then what is your ideal for the economic structure of this country? Tax the successful people and support the less successful? Take away the incentive for success? The Communist manifesto? |
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User ID: 9381180 United States 06/30/2012 02:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >>Then what is your ideal for the economic structure of this country?<< The elimination of the idea "this country." I believe in a kind of socialist globalization, including the elimination of the present-day corporate state. That is pretty much the exact opposite of where we are headed. >>Tax the successful people and support the less successful?<< I do not define success in terms of wealth. That is capitalism. >>Take away the incentive for success?<< I reject the capitalist idea that people need an incentive. >>The Communist manifesto?<< No, I am not a Marxist. Mark A. Foster, Ph.D. [link to www.markfoster.net] |
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User ID: 9381180 United States 06/30/2012 02:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >>what may actually come next is blood on the streets<< I hope you are wrong. Mark A. Foster, Ph.D. [link to www.markfoster.net] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10321326 United States 06/30/2012 02:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >>Then what is your ideal for the economic structure of this country?<< Quoting: Critical Realist The elimination of the idea "this country." I believe in a kind of socialist globalization, including the elimination of the present-day corporate state. That is pretty much the exact opposite of where we are headed. >>Tax the successful people and support the less successful?<< I do not define success in terms of wealth. That is capitalism. >>Take away the incentive for success?<< I reject the capitalist idea that people need an incentive. >>The Communist manifesto?<< No, I am not a Marxist. "Utopian" comes to mind. Reality begs you comes to terms. A global "community" living in harmony reminds me of this: Good luck with that. |
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User ID: 9381180 United States 06/30/2012 02:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >>"Utopian" comes to mind.<< Most of what I have read on this forum is a kind of populist libertarian utopianism. If I am a utopian, I am on the other end. Mark A. Foster, Ph.D. [link to www.markfoster.net] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 10321326 United States 06/30/2012 02:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >>Then what is your ideal for the economic structure of this country?<< Quoting: Critical Realist The elimination of the idea "this country." I believe in a kind of socialist globalization, including the elimination of the present-day corporate state. That is pretty much the exact opposite of where we are headed. >>Tax the successful people and support the less successful?<< I do not define success in terms of wealth. That is capitalism. >>Take away the incentive for success?<< I reject the capitalist idea that people need an incentive. >>The Communist manifesto?<< No, I am not a Marxist. There is always incentive: capitalistic, whatever... Even Mother Theresa was motivated. Without motivation and incentive there is no action. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18559195 United States 06/30/2012 02:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >>Then what is your ideal for the economic structure of this country?<< Quoting: Critical Realist The elimination of the idea "this country." I believe in a kind of socialist globalization, including the elimination of the present-day corporate state. That is pretty much the exact opposite of where we are headed. >>Tax the successful people and support the less successful?<< I do not define success in terms of wealth. That is capitalism. >>Take away the incentive for success?<< I reject the capitalist idea that people need an incentive. >>The Communist manifesto?<< No, I am not a Marxist. "Utopian" comes to mind. Reality begs you comes to terms. A global "community" living in harmony reminds me of this: Good luck with that. but there would be no need or incentive to advertise a product soon there would even be no incentive to make it |
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User ID: 9381180 United States 06/30/2012 02:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >>There is always incentive: capitalistic, whatever...<< Some people I have known work in low paying jobs in non-profit agencies. If they were working in the private sector, they could increase their salaries in multiples. "Incentive" is not necessarily financial. >>Even Mother Theresa was motivated. Without motivation and incentive there is no action.<< Yes, but Mother Teresa was not motivated by a desire to make money. Mark A. Foster, Ph.D. [link to www.markfoster.net] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10321326 United States 06/30/2012 02:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >>"Utopian" comes to mind.<< Quoting: Critical Realist Most of what I have read on this forum is a kind of populist libertarian utopianism. If I am a utopian, I am on the other end. I haven't read enough of of the forum postings to make an opinion on that, however, judging by general media opinion and news sites like CNN, MSNBS,FX,CBS,NBC etc.. I tend to get the impression that they favor generalizing topics and defining lines of separation amongst their audience to create an "us against them", in a broad sense, mentality which favors their political agenda. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18559195 United States 06/30/2012 02:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >>There is always incentive: Quoting: Critical Realist capitalistic, whatever...<< Some people I have known work in low paying jobs in non-profit agencies. If they were working in the private sector, they could increase their salaries in multiples. "Incentive" is not necessarily financial. yes but those people are already financially set they don't need to worry about the next months water bill or whatever they are free to follow their utopian dream they are not the average, not the norm they're an irrelevant special case this argument proves nothing |
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User ID: 9381180 United States 06/30/2012 02:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >>CNN, MSNBS,FX,CBS,NBC etc.. I tend to get the impression that they favor generalizing topics and defining lines of separation amongst their audience to create an "us against them"<< MSNBC (liberal), Fox News Channel (neoconservative), and Current TV (liberal) are very partisan. CNN tends to go down the middle. Mark A. Foster, Ph.D. [link to www.markfoster.net] |
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User ID: 15455863 United States 06/30/2012 02:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >I'm not familiar with you or how you think/feel so I will just ask. Who would this distribution of wealth apply to??< Quoting: Critical Realist I am a democratic socialist. I support a negative income tax. That means that people who make over a certain amount will pay taxes (proportionately) to a "storehouse." Those who make below that amount will receive money from the storehouse (also proportionately). Oh lord. That's what I thought. And the LORD spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it. I am an evil giraffe, and I shall eat more leaves from this tree than perhaps I should, so that other giraffes may die. |
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User ID: 9381180 United States 06/30/2012 02:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >>this argument proves nothing<< My point is that people often work very hard for little (non-profit) or no (volunteer work) money - even where they could be making a lot of money doing something else. Mark A. Foster, Ph.D. [link to www.markfoster.net] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10321326 United States 06/30/2012 02:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >>There is always incentive: Quoting: Critical Realist capitalistic, whatever...<< Some people I have known work in low paying jobs in non-profit agencies. If they were working in the private sector, they could increase their salaries in multiples. "Incentive" is not necessarily financial. yes but those people are already financially set they don't need to worry about the next months water bill or whatever they are free to follow their utopian dream they are not the average, not the norm they're an irrelevant special case this argument proves nothing These are the "Hollywood" elitists who endorse socialist principles while sitting on golden thrones and casting thousands of dollars to their favorite political causes. I believe this satisfies their "need" to give back to the less fortunate while they enjoy multi-million dollar homes and jet set lifestyles. Funny how the Hollywood crowd of multi millionares are always in favor of the party that wants to lay the burden on small business people and middle class people trying hard to get ahead and footing most of the tax burden in this country, crying out for the rights of illegal immigrants and yet not flinching in the leat over the fact that companies like APPLE and GE avoid their tax burden by shipping jobs overseas and using tax loopholes. I don't see them as suffering or sacrificing to the degree that I am constantly being to. At least not based on percentage of income. Sara Jessica Parker is such a "humanitarian" I am sincerely impressed by the fact that she is looking out for the "little people" |
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User ID: 9381180 United States 06/30/2012 03:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >>These are the "Hollywood" elitists who endorse socialist principles while sitting on golden thrones and casting thousands of dollars to their favorite political causes.<< That is a straw man. As far as I know, no one in this discussion is a Hollywood elitist (if there is such a thing). Mark A. Foster, Ph.D. [link to www.markfoster.net] |
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User ID: 9381180 United States 06/30/2012 03:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >>only if they don't have to worry about what to buy the next meal with<< That is not true. People often do volunteer work when they have nothing. Mark A. Foster, Ph.D. [link to www.markfoster.net] |
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