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Anonymous Coward User ID: 3648215 United States 06/07/2012 08:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As a person with congestive heart failure, and a brother that is in kidney failure due to diabetes, and on dialysis for 7 years, with a wife and 3 kids, I would not have a problem with this. I cannot donate to him now because of my condition, but if I should go into complete heart failure without the possibility of recovering, by all means I want everything that can be used of my body to help others. If that means harvesting before I am clinically dead, so be it, if it means that they have a better chance of being used. Were I am going, I won't need them. Everyone should be a donor. I believe that if God did not want organ donation, he would have never allowed the knowledge to be given to doctors to do it. All things are through God's design. |
INK User ID: 16659040 United States 06/07/2012 08:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As a person with congestive heart failure, and a brother that is in kidney failure due to diabetes, and on dialysis for 7 years, with a wife and 3 kids, I would not have a problem with this. I cannot donate to him now because of my condition, but if I should go into complete heart failure without the possibility of recovering, by all means I want everything that can be used of my body to help others. If that means harvesting before I am clinically dead, so be it, if it means that they have a better chance of being used. Were I am going, I won't need them. Everyone should be a donor. I believe that if God did not want organ donation, he would have never allowed the knowledge to be given to doctors to do it. All things are through God's design. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3648215 I have to agree. Another thing many people may not know is this: after death, a patient with a pacemaker still has some electrical activity going on (not quite a heartbeat, but not cardiac death either), and someone from the pacemaker company actually has to come and "turn the device off". Until that happens the patient is not clinically dead, but they really are dead, and at that point their organs could be harvested if not for the residual electrical activity. |
AmericanJedi
User ID: 1503533 United States 06/07/2012 08:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, they aren't talking about taking you down on the hoof with a net and hacking out your kidneys like Chinese organ thieves. They are talking about harvesting organs from people that are essentially already dead. I have one son. If he were 'brain dead' and had no viable hope of awakening. And was on a ventilator and would die if he was removed. I would gladly let them take his organs. I wouldn't let my child live in a veggitative state developing bed sores and rotting just to satisfy mine own morbid emotional bonds. Americans need to wake up! A person in a veggitative state is neither alive or dead! They aren't in a coma. They have some sort of injury that has ended all higher brain function (note: watching the Kardashians is also a cause.)and are not ever going to wake up. Yes, people do wake up from comas, but a veggitative state is just that! Higher brain function is fuck all and they are just a brain stem. Who really wants to live like that? Other than the idiots on the Jersey Shore. (GLP aka American Jedi) Listen here you beautiful bitch, I'm about to fuck you up with some truth. Kenny Powers If you steal the dreams of others long enough, sooner or later you'll end up in a nightmare. American Jedi Intellectuals solve problems, geniuses prevent them. Albert Einstein Satis Eloquentiae, Sapientiae Parum.... "The last of the old?" "No, the first of the new." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1297793 Netherlands 06/07/2012 09:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Second, relaxing the requirements opens the door to abuse (meaning murder in this case), as organ transplant is a multimillion dollar business. In the end those with the money will get the "right" to cannibalize the rest. |
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User ID: 9658314 United States 06/07/2012 09:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am sorry.. I have heard too many stories about Dr's who claim a patient is dead/brain dead, and then the victims make a full or partial recovery. The most recent was a boy who was declared brain dead, and his family was convinced to sign the papers.. luckily before they signed he showed signs of recovery. If his family had not hesitated like they did, they would have killed their son. That dead boy is expected to make a full recovery. I will keep my organs until I am fully dead, thank you. This is just another way to push the euthanasia agenda.. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 17489696 United States 06/07/2012 09:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First, the requirements in use were there for a reason: a person can come back even when doctors thought the damage was "irreversible". It's impossible to fully assess beforehand. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1297793 Second, relaxing the requirements opens the door to abuse (meaning murder in this case), as organ transplant is a multimillion dollar business. In the end those with the money will get the "right" to cannibalize the rest. Yes for shame Many medical cases are reversible and it is a sick person's RIGHT to not be killed before it is their time this is basically what is happening here disgusting |
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(OP) User ID: 14870469 United States 06/07/2012 09:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, they aren't talking about taking you down on the hoof with a net and hacking out your kidneys like Chinese organ thieves. They are talking about harvesting organs from people that are essentially already dead. Quoting: AmericanJedi I have one son. If he were 'brain dead' and had no viable hope of awakening. And was on a ventilator and would die if he was removed. I would gladly let them take his organs. I wouldn't let my child live in a veggitative state developing bed sores and rotting just to satisfy mine own morbid emotional bonds. Americans need to wake up! A person in a veggitative state is neither alive or dead! They aren't in a coma. They have some sort of injury that has ended all higher brain function (note: watching the Kardashians is also a cause.)and are not ever going to wake up. Yes, people do wake up from comas, but a veggitative state is just that! Higher brain function is fuck all and they are just a brain stem. Who really wants to live like that? Other than the idiots on the Jersey Shore. Surgeon: Remove Kidneys for Transplant Before Donor's Death I know what the article states bro.. and i have a problem with it, totally. I dont think its right they are proposing to harvest organs from a living breathing person, that is what the article is stating. I have a big problem with this because its another one of those subtle steps that will lead to more obnoxious methods that leads to more and more bizarre practices. Remember abortion was shunned upon at one time and looked at as "bizarre"..now its no big deal to have it done. Last Edited by Cat Mouth on 06/07/2012 09:46 AM :mesig432: |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 17489696 United States 06/07/2012 09:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, they aren't talking about taking you down on the hoof with a net and hacking out your kidneys like Chinese organ thieves. They are talking about harvesting organs from people that are essentially already dead. Quoting: AmericanJedi I have one son. If he were 'brain dead' and had no viable hope of awakening. And was on a ventilator and would die if he was removed. I would gladly let them take his organs. I wouldn't let my child live in a veggitative state developing bed sores and rotting just to satisfy mine own morbid emotional bonds. Americans need to wake up! A person in a veggitative state is neither alive or dead! They aren't in a coma. They have some sort of injury that has ended all higher brain function (note: watching the Kardashians is also a cause.)and are not ever going to wake up. Yes, people do wake up from comas, but a veggitative state is just that! Higher brain function is fuck all and they are just a brain stem. Who really wants to live like that? Other than the idiots on the Jersey Shore. I know that "the bold text above" ..i have a problem with that because i believe in miracles and seen them happen. Yes i really think its not right to take organs out of a living breathing person..thats just how i feel bro. Of course it isn't right This is the end times and you will see more and more laxity with the care for humans and human life Those who can't see how wrong this is... have some spiritual deficits Get right with God |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 16561788 United States 06/07/2012 09:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Too much room for abuse. It's one thing to wake up in a bathtub full of ice with a kidney gone because you got drunk at the wrong party, but quite another to wake up after being declared 'clinically dead' and have some asshole doc saying "Ooh, my bad. I thought you were done with those. Hell, I can't take 'em back now..." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17450679 United States 06/07/2012 09:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As a person with congestive heart failure, and a brother that is in kidney failure due to diabetes, and on dialysis for 7 years, with a wife and 3 kids, I would not have a problem with this. I cannot donate to him now because of my condition, but if I should go into complete heart failure without the possibility of recovering, by all means I want everything that can be used of my body to help others. If that means harvesting before I am clinically dead, so be it, if it means that they have a better chance of being used. Were I am going, I won't need them. Everyone should be a donor. I believe that if God did not want organ donation, he would have never allowed the knowledge to be given to doctors to do it. All things are through God's design. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3648215 You wouldn't say this if you had gone through a medical residency. I saw families talked into "pulling the plug" and donating organs of relatives that had been on a ventilator and in a coma for less than 2 weeks. I'd like to think my relatives would wait at least a month before considering the same for me. I've seen other cases where the patient was "hurried" out of this world in order to start the organ harvesting. Nothing definitive that could be proven in court but just enough lack in treatment to allow the "decay" of a patient in a coma. I've also seen people who were former drug addicts coming back for kidney number 3 because they "clean-up" just long enough to meet the criteria for getting a transplant and then go back to their old lifestyle. I've also seen people, with a chronic disease, that worsen their conditions by not following simple requirements. Things like exercise and following dietary constraints often slow the progress of an illness but a lot of people want to instead rely on pills. Donation of organs should remain voluntary. I believe the pay-it-forward method of kidney donations is a very good method at least for kidneys. |
Fred User ID: 17418556 United States 06/07/2012 09:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This would need to go hand in hand with stricter criteria for brain death. More than just a doctors best guess. An MRI and radiological examination to see the physical state of the brain. I've seen the results of a brain death scan. Pretty scary. But if my brain looks like that, take my kidneys. But don't rush through a few reflex tests and do it. A person with a severe migraine would even fail some of these tests. |
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User ID: 2213090 South Africa 06/07/2012 09:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First, the requirements in use were there for a reason: a person can come back even when doctors thought the damage was "irreversible". It's impossible to fully assess beforehand. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1297793 Second, relaxing the requirements opens the door to abuse (meaning murder in this case), as organ transplant is a multimillion dollar business. In the end those with the money will get the "right" to cannibalize the rest. This ^^^^^^ The elites will be kept alive at the expense of the poorest. Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery - Bob Marley |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 17541609 United States 06/07/2012 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First, the requirements in use were there for a reason: a person can come back even when doctors thought the damage was "irreversible". It's impossible to fully assess beforehand. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1297793 Second, relaxing the requirements opens the door to abuse (meaning murder in this case), as organ transplant is a multimillion dollar business. In the end those with the money will get the "right" to cannibalize the rest. This ^^^^^^ The elites will be kept alive at the expense of the poorest. Yep...watch: Get the gringo. Boy was clinicaly dead the moment he found to be compatable. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 17412103 Canada 06/07/2012 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As a person with congestive heart failure, and a brother that is in kidney failure due to diabetes, and on dialysis for 7 years, with a wife and 3 kids, I would not have a problem with this. I cannot donate to him now because of my condition, but if I should go into complete heart failure without the possibility of recovering, by all means I want everything that can be used of my body to help others. If that means harvesting before I am clinically dead, so be it, if it means that they have a better chance of being used. Were I am going, I won't need them. Everyone should be a donor. I believe that if God did not want organ donation, he would have never allowed the knowledge to be given to doctors to do it. All things are through God's design. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3648215 So all those killers and rapists are also through God's design? |
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samanthasunflower
User ID: 14930415 United States 06/07/2012 10:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THEY ARE ALREADY DOING THIS!!! The Japanese wait until the heart stops beating before taking kidneys, but everyone else bases it on 'brain death.' The problem is that people can recover from being brain dead. They test by going into the room in the dark, make as little noise as possible, and quickly flip the switch to the machine on then off. Then they pump the body full of a paralytic, so that he could feel everything, but not be able to move or scream. Then the surgeons, over a multi hour operation, slowly cut out all the organs. This is why I'm not an organ donor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |