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Fixing Games in the NFL, NBA, etc...Are there magnets in the balls!?!

 
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Does anyone think sports entertainment is designed with predetermined plays and outcomes?  There are times where certain plays or game flows seem improbable and downright engineered.  

Whether it is penalties, missed calls, phantom fouls, a player's lack of hustle or illadvised decisions, there are certain outcomes that appear to defy nature.  While I love watching sports and realize a lot of games may be pure and just, I simply cannot accept that all are clean and without some design.  Too much money at stake and games are pretty easy to manipulate for the ones who get paid.  It just all seems like an act. Where is the conspiracy here?

Pisses me off...sports used to seem more wholesome and real however it has probably been like this for awhile.

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Baseball seems the most suspect. Read the official rulebook. The Head umpire can make a call for any reason at any time and it is not open for discussion.
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Baseball seems the most suspect. Read the official rulebook. The Head umpire can make a call for any reason at any time and it is not open for discussion.



Definitely the easiest to control!

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Ive noticed that when Dwayne Wade and Kobe Bryant shoot free throws they aim for the front of the rim. It hits the front of the rim and gently rises in the air and goes in. i SWEAT THAT ANY OTHER PLAYER'S shot would hit the front of the rim and bounce over the backboard. It's just strange how theres so much momentum that turns into a gentle bounce in the air. It's only these two guys.
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nba is still rife i reckon. i dont think donaghy-gate has really disappeared. once the mafia own the refs. they own the refs.

i recently came to the conclusion that tech fouls in nba are a way for refs to manipulate scores a little here and there. to me its either a flagrant or the ref should just block out the player's whining and move on. but there are always gay tech fouls that really get my goat.

soccer is pretty easy. main ref gives his preferred side a questionable free kick late in game. look at the australian 'a' league (its more like D league) final this year. the ref was an absolute match fixing C#nt. player falls over and penalty to end the season. unreal. no review system in soccer either....
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I sometimes think everyone is in on it. Players, refs, coaches, owners, Vegas, you name it! Perhaps even some technology.
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too many variables for EVERYONE to be in on it and not let the cat out, but a few people here and there can definitely manipulate or spot fix certain results.

i have a theory that shane warne in the IPL a few years ago had money on himself to be out 'run out' which is always juicy odds because it happens less than other types of 'outs'. all he had to do is run real slow and he made money lol. not match fixing per se, but spot fixing for sure.

i trade sports and have contemplated the plethora of ways i could rake in the money if i was a dodgy sports star. takes one to spot one :)
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I sometimes think everyone is in on it. Players, refs, coaches, owners, Vegas, you name it! Perhaps even some technology.
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THIS ^ ^ ^ +1

There is graft, vice, cheating, lying and corruption in the highest echelons of our political, social and religious institutions...

We can go to the moon, split the atom and transverse time and space...and some folks actually think a ball game can't be "fixed" ???


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Baseball seems the most suspect. Read the official rulebook. The Head umpire can make a call for any reason at any time and it is not open for discussion.
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I actually think baseball would be the hardest to control since its the only sport that really doesn't fully depend on 1 person.
A quarterback can throw a game and its chalked up to his having a bad game. The same goes for basketball where the main player (Jordan, Kobe, Lebron) are expected to get the ball when the game is on the line.
Baseball doesn't really depend on the 1 star. The star of the team can have a "shitty" day and his team can still win 10-0.

Now if you're talking wide spread rigging of outcomes on a league level well i guess anythings possible.
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Not sure about fixing the games, but I do know the owners (NBA) have really loud applause/screaming/whistling sounds piped in over the PA systems during the games. Could be other sports too, but only know it's the NBA for sure.
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Baseball seems the most suspect. Read the official rulebook. The Head umpire can make a call for any reason at any time and it is not open for discussion.
 Quoting: Adveser


I actually think baseball would be the hardest to control since its the only sport that really doesn't fully depend on 1 person.
A quarterback can throw a game and its chalked up to his having a bad game. The same goes for basketball where the main player (Jordan, Kobe, Lebron) are expected to get the ball when the game is on the line.
Baseball doesn't really depend on the 1 star. The star of the team can have a "shitty" day and his team can still win 10-0.

Now if you're talking wide spread rigging of outcomes on a league level well i guess anythings possible.
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I hear ya but all it takes is a starting pitcher and a batter on another team. Maybe a manager and ump too.
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OP did you lose money by betting on the spurs mid game? OKC hit 6/1 when spurs led by 18. i knew the odds were too high for OKC or too low for spurs as OKC were always going to come.

NBA is all about momentum and some match fixing just seems like match fixing but its just momentum and good plays by coaches. but i stand by what i said about tech fouls earlier. they are a blight on the game.
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they are fixed. between the betting, the advertising dollars etc. they've now learned that if they orchestrate games they make more money. notice all the large leads in NBA - someone's up by 20 points then all the sudden they start playing like shit and the other team makes a miraculous "comeback". In almost EVERY game now. Why? Point spreads for one. Also keeps people tuned in = ratings = more advertising $$$. The teams already know before the games who is winning it and they all do their acting job.
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OP did you lose money by betting on the spurs mid game? OKC hit 6/1 when spurs led by 18. i knew the odds were too high for OKC or too low for spurs as OKC were always going to come.

NBA is all about momentum and some match fixing just seems like match fixing but its just momentum and good plays by coaches. but i stand by what i said about tech fouls earlier. they are a blight on the game.
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No but I am a die hard Spurs fan and there were a few questionable calls. I've been thinking about posting this for awhile and tonight's loss gave me enough motivation. Still a good game, minus the blown 18 point lead!
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they are fixed. between the betting, the advertising dollars etc. they've now learned that if they orchestrate games they make more money. notice all the large leads in NBA - someone's up by 20 points then all the sudden they start playing like shit and the other team makes a miraculous "comeback". In almost EVERY game now. Why? Point spreads for one. Also keeps people tuned in = ratings = more advertising $$$. The teams already know before the games who is winning it and they all do their acting job.
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This is correct. It is nothing more than theatre.
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they are fixed. between the betting, the advertising dollars etc. they've now learned that if they orchestrate games they make more money. notice all the large leads in NBA - someone's up by 20 points then all the sudden they start playing like shit and the other team makes a miraculous "comeback". In almost EVERY game now. Why? Point spreads for one. Also keeps people tuned in = ratings = more advertising $$$. The teams already know before the games who is winning it and they all do their acting job.
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This may be spot on and is in line with I am trying to communicate here.
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LA Kings vs NJ Devils...
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OP did you lose money by betting on the spurs mid game? OKC hit 6/1 when spurs led by 18. i knew the odds were too high for OKC or too low for spurs as OKC were always going to come.

NBA is all about momentum and some match fixing just seems like match fixing but its just momentum and good plays by coaches. but i stand by what i said about tech fouls earlier. they are a blight on the game.
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That is WHY the games are orchestrated as such for the betting. When you see a team on fire and firing on all cylinders in the first half and then the same team comes out in the 2nd half and all the sudden nobody can defend or make a basket (or vice versa) - it's fixed.
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OP did you lose money by betting on the spurs mid game? OKC hit 6/1 when spurs led by 18. i knew the odds were too high for OKC or too low for spurs as OKC were always going to come.

NBA is all about momentum and some match fixing just seems like match fixing but its just momentum and good plays by coaches. but i stand by what i said about tech fouls earlier. they are a blight on the game.
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That is WHY the games are orchestrated as such for the betting. When you see a team on fire and firing on all cylinders in the first half and then the same team comes out in the 2nd half and all the sudden nobody can defend or make a basket (or vice versa) - it's fixed.
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So it's Vegas! Of course it is. Biggest money laundering center in the world.
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OP did you lose money by betting on the spurs mid game? OKC hit 6/1 when spurs led by 18. i knew the odds were too high for OKC or too low for spurs as OKC were always going to come.

NBA is all about momentum and some match fixing just seems like match fixing but its just momentum and good plays by coaches. but i stand by what i said about tech fouls earlier. they are a blight on the game.
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That is WHY the games are orchestrated as such for the betting. When you see a team on fire and firing on all cylinders in the first half and then the same team comes out in the 2nd half and all the sudden nobody can defend or make a basket (or vice versa) - it's fixed.
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So it's Vegas! Of course it is. Biggest money laundering center in the world.
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it's a bit of everything - money gets spread around. advertising, team owners, players, networks, vegas...
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If you are a betting man, its all fixed. Key is to pick the one thats fixed to win.
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Does anyone think sports entertainment is designed with predetermined plays and outcomes?  There are times where certain plays or game flows seem improbable and downright engineered.  

Whether it is penalties, missed calls, phantom fouls, a player's lack of hustle or illadvised decisions, there are certain outcomes that appear to defy nature.  While I love watching sports and realize a lot of games may be pure and just, I simply cannot accept that all are clean and without some design.  Too much money at stake and games are pretty easy to manipulate for the ones who get paid.  It just all seems like an act. Where is the conspiracy here?

Pisses me off...sports used to seem more wholesome and real however it has probably been like this for awhile.
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man yall sure are retarded if you actually believe the games are rigged....

and what you were saying about d wade and kobe, is probably the stupidest shit I have ever heard in my life. period. hands down. you should just stop this madness immediately....

you dont know the first thing about sports...
you probably never picked up a ball,...any ball in your life.

and if you did, you were probably terrible...
because you know nothing....except pure bullshit
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Does anyone think sports entertainment is designed with predetermined plays and outcomes?  There are times where certain plays or game flows seem improbable and downright engineered.  

Whether it is penalties, missed calls, phantom fouls, a player's lack of hustle or illadvised decisions, there are certain outcomes that appear to defy nature.  While I love watching sports and realize a lot of games may be pure and just, I simply cannot accept that all are clean and without some design.  Too much money at stake and games are pretty easy to manipulate for the ones who get paid.  It just all seems like an act. Where is the conspiracy here?

Pisses me off...sports used to seem more wholesome and real however it has probably been like this for awhile.
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I concur totally. I used to watch a lot more sports, but since my awakening a few years back, they seem much less important. I occasionally catch a Lakers game (before they ran into OK), but I watch it knowing it is only a distraction from all the non-stop BS happening around us. I have had a feeling for a long time that professional and collegiate sports are rigged. In terms of collegiate sports, I am referring to basketball and football mainly.
There's just too much (fake) money to be made and more when outcomes are manipulated. Remember, professsional athletes, and to a lesser degree collegiate athletes, are just entertainers.

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they are fixed. between the betting, the advertising dollars etc. they've now learned that if they orchestrate games they make more money. notice all the large leads in NBA - someone's up by 20 points then all the sudden they start playing like shit and the other team makes a miraculous "comeback". In almost EVERY game now. Why? Point spreads for one. Also keeps people tuned in = ratings = more advertising $$$. The teams already know before the games who is winning it and they all do their acting job.
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This is correct. It is nothing more than theatre.
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im speechless...I need to stop coming to this site....

dumbest motherfuckers on planet earth....

you have to be kidding, but i kknow your not....

WOW. U ARE FUCKING RETARDED
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Does anyone think sports entertainment is designed with predetermined plays and outcomes?  There are times where certain plays or game flows seem improbable and downright engineered.  

Whether it is penalties, missed calls, phantom fouls, a player's lack of hustle or illadvised decisions, there are certain outcomes that appear to defy nature.  While I love watching sports and realize a lot of games may be pure and just, I simply cannot accept that all are clean and without some design.  Too much money at stake and games are pretty easy to manipulate for the ones who get paid.  It just all seems like an act. Where is the conspiracy here?

Pisses me off...sports used to seem more wholesome and real however it has probably been like this for awhile.
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man yall sure are retarded if you actually believe the games are rigged....

and what you were saying about d wade and kobe, is probably the stupidest shit I have ever heard in my life. period. hands down. you should just stop this madness immediately....

you dont know the first thing about sports...
you probably never picked up a ball,...any ball in your life.

and if you did, you were probably terrible...
because you know nothing....except pure bullshit
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Then how come it is so much more prevalent in professional sports as opposed to college. And dont say because college athletes aren't professional athletes.

I played several sports through high school and still enjoy playing and watching. You really think it is all pure and clean?
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one has to factor in garbage time and context into some 'comebacks'. not all comebacks result in a win for the comeback team. sometimes they fall just short but only because the other team was up by 24 and decided to let the bench have a run and put the cue in the rack so to speak. look at popovic. he was genius to train his second unit up so well this year.

yes match fixing prob occurs. but not to the extent most on here think. spot fixing is more rife i reckon.
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Does anyone think sports entertainment is designed with predetermined plays and outcomes?  There are times where certain plays or game flows seem improbable and downright engineered.  

Whether it is penalties, missed calls, phantom fouls, a player's lack of hustle or illadvised decisions, there are certain outcomes that appear to defy nature.  While I love watching sports and realize a lot of games may be pure and just, I simply cannot accept that all are clean and without some design.  Too much money at stake and games are pretty easy to manipulate for the ones who get paid.  It just all seems like an act. Where is the conspiracy here?

Pisses me off...sports used to seem more wholesome and real however it has probably been like this for awhile.
 Quoting: SASkeptic


man yall sure are retarded if you actually believe the games are rigged....

and what you were saying about d wade and kobe, is probably the stupidest shit I have ever heard in my life. period. hands down. you should just stop this madness immediately....

you dont know the first thing about sports...
you probably never picked up a ball,...any ball in your life.

and if you did, you were probably terrible...
because you know nothing....except pure bullshit
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Then how come it is so much more prevalent in professional sports as opposed to college. And dont say because college athletes aren't professional athletes.

I played several sports through high school and still enjoy playing and watching. You really think it is all pure and clean?
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of course its not 100% clean, you hear about point shaving scandals from time time, and some refs that have been involved in fixing games, but usually when a ref is involved it has to do with betting the total...the total amounts scored for the game... they would call alot of fouls keeping b oth teams in the bonus meaning that every foul while in the bonus results in free throws...see Tim Donaghey,....very very rare. refs statistics are trcked and monitered.... these instnces are few and far between. im refer to the jack ass who says every athlete is an entertainer and know whos gonna win the game before hand and everybody goes along with it...thats some short bus mentality for real...
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and OP if you are a spurs fan then you know that when spurs get on a run and get momentum they go on a lot of 14-0, 15-0 type runs. but it cant rain all the time right? so after the 14-0 run the opposition goes on a 7-0 run and its all of a sudden match fixing? people have to watch more sport.

sometimes in the second half when spurs are trailing they go to the parker duncan pick and roll (the one that wade and lebron should just fucking copy). sometimes when they run this to perfection and hit the open three point shooters or parker teardrop or duncan layup, the other team just crumbles because they have no answer for the time being. it happens. when they figure shit out or when the spurs eventually miss three shots and the other team makes three shots its not match fixing ffs :)
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its not rigged. period.
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and OP if you are a spurs fan then you know that when spurs get on a run and get momentum they go on a lot of 14-0, 15-0 type runs. but it cant rain all the time right? so after the 14-0 run the opposition goes on a 7-0 run and its all of a sudden match fixing? people have to watch more sport.

sometimes in the second half when spurs are trailing they go to the parker duncan pick and roll (the one that wade and lebron should just fucking copy). sometimes when they run this to perfection and hit the open three point shooters or parker teardrop or duncan layup, the other team just crumbles because they have no answer for the time being. it happens. when they figure shit out or when the spurs eventually miss three shots and the other team makes three shots its not match fixing ffs :)
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I'm not saying this game was rigged per se just in general. Ya I'm venting but there have been some many times where it is unbelievable, in most sports.

I'm simply here to see what others think. I will still enjoy the game and have the watchful eye!
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Baseball seems the most suspect. Read the official rulebook. The Head umpire can make a call for any reason at any time and it is not open for discussion.
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I actually think baseball would be the hardest to control since its the only sport that really doesn't fully depend on 1 person.
A quarterback can throw a game and its chalked up to his having a bad game. The same goes for basketball where the main player (Jordan, Kobe, Lebron) are expected to get the ball when the game is on the line.
Baseball doesn't really depend on the 1 star. The star of the team can have a "shitty" day and his team can still win 10-0.

Now if you're talking wide spread rigging of outcomes on a league level well i guess anythings possible.
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I hear ya but all it takes is a starting pitcher and a batter on another team. Maybe a manager and ump too.
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The rulebook states specifically questioning balls and strikes is an automatic ejection. It also states specifically on numerous occasions that the head umpire is in charge and can interpret the rules at their own discretion. The head ump has final say and the other umps are there to make calls for him if he does not object.





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