Your Body is Just an Interface

Ah, hi again. :)

That's beautiful, and speaks of truth to me.

Anyway, I think I understand what you meant earlier in the thread.

These discussions I was having with people were not about the more... shall we say, personal?... aspects of death. They were not discussions in which someone had lost a loved one, simply rather technical discussions during which things like 'life is meaningless anyway because all awareness ceases when you die' type things.

I approached this thread not from a 'comforting people' standpoint, but a technical discussion of whether or not the Awareness and sense of 'self' dissolves upon death.

So it wasn't really about comfort as much as just a discussion of whether or not the Awareness dissipates.

Hope that helps.

Nice to chat with you in such a pleasant manner/subject, by the way.

Common after-effects

According to the International Association for Near Death Studies, around eighty percent of the people who experience near-death states claim that their lives are changed forever. They experience specific psychological and physiological differences on a massive scale which may cause major adjustment difficulties for, on average, seven years but especially during
the first three years. This is true with child experiencers, as well as with teenagers and adults.
These after-effects are shared by people, including children, who had intense experiences in a particularly vivid dream, while meditating or who have narrowly escaped death.

Cherie Sutherland, an Australian researcher, interviewed 50 NDE survivors in depth and found that the effects on the lives of survivors had
been remarkably consistent and quite different from the effects of drug or chemical induced hallucinations. She identified many effects which have been substantiated by other studies e.g. Ring (1980 and 1984) Atwater (1988). These included:

• a universal belief in life after death
• a high proportion (80%) now believed in re-incarnation
• a total absence of fear of death
• a large shift from organized religion to personal spiritual practice
• a statistically significant increase in psychic sensitivity
• a more positive view of self and of others
• an increased desire for solitude
• an increased sense of purpose
• a lack of interest in material success coupled with a marked increase in interest in spiritual development
• fifty per cent experienced major difficulties in close relationships as a result of their changed priorities
• an increase in health consciousness
• most drank less alcohol
• almost all gave up smoking
• most gave up prescription drugs
• most watched less television
• most read fewer newspapers
• an increased interest in alternative healing
• an increased interest in learning and self-development
• seventy five per cent experienced a major career change in which they moved towards areas of helping others.

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That's your personal opinion... but it's a silly one.

It is absurd to make the claim that the soul is dependent upon the body and then state that the soul is off wandering around without the dead body... but it can't live without the body.


That's like saying that a woman is still pregnant after she has her baby because the presence of the baby equals pregnancy, no matter what. Nonsensical.

The body dies, the soul walks away... but the soul depends on the body for life... silliness.

Great list . . . I love it . . .

technically speaking, the experience offered me a complete comprehension of the person without the body. the limits are within the body. it was clear to me that everything that we "are" is severely limited in the present physical body/world, and once those "chains" are released, we become in full regard our true nature.

my husband took his own life. everything that haunted and oppressed him here was gone. there was no punishment or anything like that for what he had done (self-murder, basically). he was free of it and released from it in every way. and, he wanted to show me. a gift on so many levels it isn't even funny...

i share this not necessarily to comfort, but to show the way that i gained understanding of the matter. it was with this experience that i was able to "see."

i am profoundly changed.

technically speaking, the experience offered me a complete comprehension of the person without the body. the limits are within the body. it was clear to me that everything that we "are" is severely limited in the present physical body/world, and once those "chains" are released, we become in full regard our true nature.

my husband took his own life. everything that haunted and oppressed him here was gone. there was no punishment or anything like that for what he had done (self-murder, basically). he was free of it and released from it in every way. and, he wanted to show me. a gift on so many levels it isn't even funny...

i share this not necessarily to comfort, but to show the way that i gained understanding of the matter. it was with this experience that i was able to "see."

i am profoundly changed.

Hold on I didnt' even mention the word soul, how the fuck can you interpret what i mean about soul or my opinions on it when i didn't even specify! idiot.

Sorry but yours is just wild speculation without proof.

Thats all me there, but I did pay attention to more of the LOCAL newspapers.

Lets not ignore LOCAL community news and issues.

I was shown that very clearly during one of my experiences that there is indeed no judgment or condemnation after death unless a person believes in it and creates it during the initial transition. Honestly, I resented it for a very long time, and I know that for many, it's a bitter pill to swallow.

But now that I understand myself better, I find it deeply comforting to know that no one is going to be tortured anymore once they return Home. No matter what.

I was shown that very clearly during one of my experiences that there is indeed no judgment or condemnation after death unless a person believes in it and creates it during the initial transition. Honestly, I resented it for a very long time, and I know that for many, it's a bitter pill to swallow.

But now that I understand myself better, I find it deeply comforting to know that no one is going to be tortured anymore once they return Home. No matter what.

These body-suits are so limiting

Karma'd your kindess

well my husband believed it, but just was not able to care anymore. he wore guilt and shame like a garment. it offered me insight to how much his mental illness affected his thoughts and behaviors, and how it resided in his physical body. then, after he died, it was totally gone. he was not held accountable for the physical/mental illness that disturbed him while he was here. i don't think anyone goes to "hell" and i am a follower of Christ. and, i certainly do not think anyone has been "judged" yet. i have always hated that word. it has such a negative connotation to it.

Salt I want to ask you something, do you read or speak spanish somehow? I will love to share with you a new perspective about Jesus (not christ by the way) that it's written in 9 books that will change your life in a way you'll feel free of all kinds of burden this world (man) puts upon you! this book are in spanish only, and the autor doesn't want them to be translated to english

THE PROJECTION ARGUMENT

The soul is a manifestation of a physical body. Therefore, when people almost die, the manifestation can wonder about, still being produced by the disabled, but still alive body.

Upon returning to consciousness, they have memories of wondering about.

This does not rule out the possibility that when a person dies and is not resuscitated, that this projection, deteriorates with the body.

So while astral projection is cool. It does not prove the existence of an afterlife.

Agreement total. But you can Not Stay longer than 3 days. The Time People can get resurrected the Bible teaches. After if you dont know jesus Good luck and forever. Make no mistake. You only get One try!

the body is a vessel for the mind, the mind is a vessel for the soul.

Hello Sandi T I find this thread very interesting due to all the experiences and consequences you all describe! These only reflect the veracity of what I’m about to tell you. First off don’t take me for a religion tard or whatever, I don’t believe in religions I don’t believe in hell nor demons, but one of the posters were absolutely right about some mischievous entities but they are not demons for sure. I’ll start by saying I do believe in God and I do believe a man came in his name and He was a God too, but religions are only men’s invention to control masses. That man who came left a message that was misinterpreted but he had more than 12 apostles there were several followers who succeed to keep the message intact but despite this might sound farfetched believe me it’s true.

I’m going to try to explain what’s the real deal with our lives and what we are, I think you would understand it perfectly because you are in the right way to find this truth.
Here’s the “story”. There’s only one and unique God that started all, the visible and invisible, you all are well aware of the visible part but believe me the invisible came first. This God has a lot of God’s sons! Creators of universes and realms! Our physical limiters can’t help us understand nor try to sense all those realities but they all exist right now. One of their creations was this universe, well in fact all this universes of physical matter, and they found this physical matter interesting to experience so how can you experience something of a lower density? Well you have to be a part of that lower density and to achieve that you need a physical form (here comes the interface as you said) but the deal was to experience this matter existence so plentifully that there should be nothing to interfere with this experience so God decide to let any one of their sons who wants to become a creator God experience this realm by born in to matter but almost disconnected from the spiritual world so you can focus on material but God’s plan was to share this experience with you, hidden inside you he descended in a tiny little form and set in to start this adventure. When do this happened? When you took your first moral decision he descended in to you this is when the spark of awareness lights on.
Due to all this we often believe there’s no God and no afterlife but for those who experience NDE’s realize we are spiritual beings cohabiting in a physical vessel and this vessel is limited to matter but once you left this body your true self wakes up from this ride! This is why you don’t feel afraid to die anymore, this is only a “game” were your true self can not die, just live and enjoy everything in life because you won’t return again, it’s a one time offer, a one life game, a one ride ticket! Why? Well it’s hard to explain but if you want to know more about this story let me know and I’ll keep posting. There’s too much to absorb that can not be written in one post but this is the general idea, if you want more detail throw me a question.

lehaim

Dear OP
The body-interface is a nice conceit. However, the full picture is a bit more colourful.

The key is the consciousness, and that fact is missing badly from this thread. You can think what you want, but the present consciousness of yours (and others, of course) will disappear after the death of the physical body (=the rough substance and the two dense etheric layers). The other parts (the remaining etheric, astral and mental bodies with the consciousness) will be broken up (dissolved) in 1-2 years. Some entities can extend the dissolvement of their consciousness for even many hundred years with disgusting activity, but they will also disappear, too.

The soul is immortal, there is no question about it. But you are not the soul. Your consciousness is not the sense of the immortal soul, I'm sorry to say.

Those, who are afraid of the death, and those, who are not, will disappear both. The soul will only store a small imprint of "us" but that is all.

Luckily, it is not the whole story. Those, who are succesfull in handing over their awareness to the Soul can became a drop of water in the Sea of Life. BUT, you should transform. The process of transformation has been taught for infinite ages by those, who already has managed to do the transformation earlier times.

My 2 cents: use your interface properly, since there is no automated salvation. Everybody should work for its own. Those, who are using their interface for watching/hearing fairy tails in the opressor's kindergarten, or consuming MMO and/or other physical drugs - well, they misuse their interface. There is free will in this planet, so they can do it. It is their right. But they do not HAVE TO. It is their chance.

You are a nice soul. Lets see each other in the Light.
Regards,
S.

after my husband died, the following day, he came to me. i know that sounds nuts, but it was such an amazing gift. he came right up to me, swirled around me a few times, and i could feel him - pure energy with all of his essence still there, only free, and electric, and pure. full of joy and excitement, almost like a child. his personality was still there, only supercharged. like a super free, pure energy, turbo charged electric smile. can't really explain. i was so overcome that i fell to my knees (it was in the middle of the street, btw). he gave me this awareness so i would know that he was ok, what he is like now, and to not fear dying. the experienced gave me everything i needed to know, a full comprehension of it, with one brief experience. a true and divine gift.

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