Christians think I'm a wolf in sheep's clothing because I'm not judgmental enough

God always Loved people, which is why He had sent His son in the first place. If you didn't Love someone, you wouldn't give them any gifts.

Jesus had to die, in order to demonstrate the way to eternal Life to others, to show that death is temporary. If I told you a wall was fake, you wouldn't believe me until I had gone through said wall. Likewise, would you believe death was only temporary unless someone had first died and then returned to Life?

This conclusion is based on many conversation I have had with her in the past.

Maybe she has come to the true realization of Jesus Christ?
I pray that she has.

Absolutely. I stated this above when I answered ajk.




Absolutely - that's why it's not so much a book as it is a Person ;)




lol. Yes, Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father. He Himself *is* eternal life, and in "receiving", "eating", following Him and obeying Him we participate in said eternal life. ("This is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus thou hast sent". . .it doesn't say one word about ending up someplace.)

Furthermore, He said "If I be lifted up, I will [drag] all men unto me". It doesn't really sound very optional, does it?

This doesn't answer my question.

Yes, but can you quote specifics which led you to believe I preached "a different gospel"?

A-men! You have spoken true and God Bless you for it!
May your message be as pure as you walk with Jesus Christ.

In Jesus Christ,

God Bless!

If you believe in Jesus Christ now as you said that you do and believe He is the only way to eternal life and to the father, what does that matter?

Have you not New Life and is your Spirit not renewed in Him?

May you ever be true to His Word.

In Jesus Christ.

Lol. . .now you won't automatically dismiss me when I challenge some of the stuff *you* preach? ;)

It's not, when you think about it.

"in the depths, you are there"

If a man tries to avoid God, that man will still eventually meet God, one way or the other.

Correct, although this is discounted by those who have deified human "Free" will above God's

and tell me what have I shared of the Word that is apart from what is already in it?

Perhaps we get to the specific of why I believed you were a wolf in sheep's clothing?

But if you believe in Jesus Christ as the Living God, and as the Word of God, I cannot fathom how we have differed?

I am curious what exactly do you find disagreeable in what I have said of the Word of God?

YEP! I JUST GAVE MY HEART TO THE LORD!

There's too many examples. I'll just wait until your next doom-gasm ;)

"Give thanks and praise to the Lord, and I will feel all right." - Bob Marley

wait....

you that one.
The one who will not share the full Word of God?
The one that denies that hell is real, that Eternal Death is real in the Lake of Fire?

Is this your theology then?

One cannot be independent of God's Will.

You need to cite examples or it's an empty accusation ;)




Absolutely. Here's a list of some non-fiery things God uses the symbol of "fire" to describe:

"Our God is a consuming fire" - Hebrews 12 (an echo of Deuteronomy 4:24)

"Is not My word like fire?" - Jeremiah 23

He makes "His ministers a flame of fire" - Hebrews 1 (also Psalm 104)

fiery trials = sharing in the sufferings of Christ - 1 Peter 4

Israel's captivity in Egypt = "an iron furnace" - Deuteronomy 4:20

God apparently set Israel "on fire", and they didn't even realize it - Isaiah 42

A "fiery law" proceeded from God's right hand - Deuteronomy 33



Note that per Revelation 14, those cast into this "lake" are "in the presence of the Lamb". He Himself is likely the fire that purifies.

The only thing that it burns up is the old, corrupt nature and its debris. . .


Fire will expose and test each person's works. . ."if it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames" - 1 Corinthians 3

"By mercy and truth iniquity is purged". . .Proverbs 16

"The wicked will see it and be vexed, He will gnash his teeth and melt away; The *desire* of the wicked will perish" - Psalm 112

The glory of the LORD seemed like a consuming fire to the children of Israel - Exodus 24

It was by fire that He revealed His Law to them. Moses went right up to it, but the masses were afraid. . .
"For this great fire will consume us; if we hear the voice of the LORD our God anymore, then we shall die" - Deuteronomy 5

Fire was equated with hearing His voice

The process of "fire" leaves us in ashes. . .a scriptural symbol of humility.

All through the Laws of Moses, fire is what made the offerings acceptable and pleasing to God.


After Israel defeated an enemy, all the gold, silver, brass, iron, tin and lead were to be purified by fire. . .
Paraphrased, "Everything that can withstand fire must go through fire, by which it shall be made clean. Any other materials which *cannot* withstand fire must be purified by water." - Numbers 31

Agreed. He counted the cost, and not of this is a shot in the dark :)

Who are you referring to? Me?

Hell is real, but isn't of a literal burning fire, and it's not eternal. If hell isn't eternal, neither is death. "Then death and hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death."

If death is destroyed, then death is not eternal, and if hell is destroyed, hell is not eternal. No-one goes with death or hell because "death and hades gave up the dead that were in them"

no the other person, the OP.
And yes she just confirmed my suspiscions.

She IS a wolf in sheep's clothing.

She does not truly believe.
Sadly.

I used to believe in hell - does that count?

(Mark 9:43-44) And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.


(Matthew 25:46) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Not peace, not rest, not nothingness, PUNISHMENT. God's wrath and vengeance against evil.


(John 8:44) Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

*sigh both of you are like the foolish.

You only take from the Word of God what YOU want to see from it.

It is to people like you that are called WOLVES in sheep's clothing.

For you do not share the TRUE gospel of Jesus Christ.

You cannot just believe the good part and deny the part that represents JUSTICE.

For God is also the author of JUSTICE.

You two will certainly find out how true JUSTICE is.

Hell is real.
Eternal Fire is real and Eternal Death is real in that fire.

If you deny even this, you deny the Word of God and you deny Jesus Christ who is the embodiment of this Word.

God's Word in the Flesh.

In Jesus Christ.

Believing in Jesus Christ means:

You believe EVERYTHING He said and did.
ALL of it.

In Jesus Christ.

Yeah, as I've mentioned previously on other threads, this was a warning about a landfill called Gehenna. It was the garbage dump outside of Jerusalem. It was always smoldering, and was infested with maggots. This is where Roman armies disposed of the deceased bodies when they sacked the city 40 years later Jesus was warning them about a specific national judgment that has since come and gone. Today the area is a public park.

You guys believe this place is "hell" merely because that the word scholars used in the English "translation". They could have put "Mars", and you guys would believe that the wicked end up on Mars when they die. It's that simple.




The Greek words aionian and aionios do not mean eternal or endless. An aionis an age. These states described in this verse last "age-long", or during the Millennium, what they used to call the Messianic Age.

Etc.

Or just go with your gut on all this. No sweat.

Yup

I still don't see any contradiction with scripture.

Q: What's the ugliest thing He ever did in the gospels?

Yes, even the devil knows to give the Son praise for even the devil knows the truth, though he denies it, such as you.

You ask why people call you a wolf, is there any more reason why you wonder?

And here is a prime example of you taking the Word of God and making it the way you want it be, instead of what it actually says.

It is enough.
May you truly realize who Jesus Christ is.
Because right now, you do not.

In Jesus Christ.

How can the blind see the Truth?
How will you ever see in the darkness?
But surely you will feel the fire you deny,
If you do not repent.

In Jesus Christ.