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Did Scientists just break the speed of light barrier?

 
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Did Scientists just break the speed of light barrier?
Scientists working in a US government laboratory say they have managed to transmit a signal from point to point faster than the speed of light in a vacuum - in a development apparently violating the laws of physics.

researchers at the US National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), who have been trying to exploit a loophole in the rule, that could see something travel faster than light. That thing is information, and the loophole relies on forcing one pulse to propagate through a second one. If the second pulse is moving at a speed close to the speed of light, it should in theory be possible to make the first one travel faster than the speed of light.

But now a new and potentially usable refinement known as "four wave mixing" has been developed. The NIST boffins describe their new process like this:

In four-wave mixing, researchers send 200-nanosecond-long "seed" pulses of laser light into a heated cell containing atomic rubidium vapor along with a separate "pump" beam at a different frequency from the seed pulses. The vapor amplifies the seed pulse and shifts its peak forward so that it becomes superluminal. At the same time, photons from the inserted beams interact with the vapor to generate a second pulse, called the "conjugate" because of its mathematical relationship to the seed. Its peak, too, can travel faster or slower depending on how the laser is tuned and the conditions inside the laser.

[link to www.theregister.co.uk]

and their papers [link to prl.aps.org]

So the barrier to sending information FTL may be broken.

wow
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Re: Did Scientists just break the speed of light barrier?
Eienstiens gravitational model of the universe is incomplete and therefore wrong.


The strongest force in the universe is Electromagnetism.
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Re: Did Scientists just break the speed of light barrier?
perhaps ...there is nothing faster than darkness or what travels from and within it
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Niiice. Perhaps these waves could be used to talk to beings very far away without waiting for radio waves to get there.

Or are we talking about just a couple mph over the speed limit?
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Re: Did Scientists just break the speed of light barrier?
Niiice. Perhaps these waves could be used to talk to beings very far away without waiting for radio waves to get there.

Or are we talking about just a couple mph over the speed limit?
 Quoting: -GooGooFlexy-


Nano seconds over the limit, however it's a step right?
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Re: Did Scientists just break the speed of light barrier?
Niiice. Perhaps these waves could be used to talk to beings very far away without waiting for radio waves to get there.

Or are we talking about just a couple mph over the speed limit?
 Quoting: -GooGooFlexy-


Nano seconds over the limit, however it's a step right?
 Quoting: theDtrain


One step closer to proving Einstein wrong and knocking 90% of all scientists' theories right on their ear. lol good. Sometimes you have to take a step back to see where you need to be going.
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Re: Did Scientists just break the speed of light barrier?
Scientists working in a US government laboratory say they have managed to transmit a signal from point to point faster than the speed of light in a vacuum - in a development apparently violating the laws of physics.

researchers at the US National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), who have been trying to exploit a loophole in the rule, that could see something travel faster than light. That thing is information, and the loophole relies on forcing one pulse to propagate through a second one. If the second pulse is moving at a speed close to the speed of light, it should in theory be possible to make the first one travel faster than the speed of light.

But now a new and potentially usable refinement known as "four wave mixing" has been developed. The NIST boffins describe their new process like this:

In four-wave mixing, researchers send 200-nanosecond-long "seed" pulses of laser light into a heated cell containing atomic rubidium vapor along with a separate "pump" beam at a different frequency from the seed pulses. The vapor amplifies the seed pulse and shifts its peak forward so that it becomes superluminal. At the same time, photons from the inserted beams interact with the vapor to generate a second pulse, called the "conjugate" because of its mathematical relationship to the seed. Its peak, too, can travel faster or slower depending on how the laser is tuned and the conditions inside the laser.

[link to www.theregister.co.uk]

and their papers [link to prl.aps.org]

So the barrier to sending information FTL may be broken.

wow
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bump
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Re: Did Scientists just break the speed of light barrier?
Doesn't this prove time travel is possible since going past the speed of light means youd be traveling through time?
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Re: Did Scientists just break the speed of light barrier?
Niiice. Perhaps these waves could be used to talk to beings very far away without waiting for radio waves to get there.

Or are we talking about just a couple mph over the speed limit?
 Quoting: -GooGooFlexy-


Nano seconds over the limit, however it's a step right?
 Quoting: theDtrain


Imagine a train, which has a maximum speed of 55mph, then a person in that train walking at 2mph in the direction of motion, the speed of the person is now 57mph, but he is limited to the train. That's a comparison, the light is the train, the peak mentioned in the article, is the person.

Last Edited by skymovingcloud on 05/07/2012 03:55 PM
Have you received enough light yet?
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Re: Did Scientists just break the speed of light barrier?
perhaps ...there is nothing faster than darkness or what travels from and within it
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mmm...nothing slower than darkness..it allows NO movement...
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Re: Did Scientists just break the speed of light barrier?
Niiice. Perhaps these waves could be used to talk to beings very far away without waiting for radio waves to get there.

Or are we talking about just a couple mph over the speed limit?
 Quoting: -GooGooFlexy-


Nano seconds over the limit, however it's a step right?
 Quoting: theDtrain


Imagine a train, which has a maximum speed of 55mph, then a person in that train walking at 2mph in the direction of motion, the speed of the person is now 57mph, but he is limited to the train. That's a comparison, the light is the train, the peak mentioned in the article, is the person.
 Quoting: skymovingcloud


true, but that goes into relativity effects and lorenz contraction.

speed is relative, so outside of the train, you're moving at 57 but inside you're going +2


thats like that old conundrum of a ship going 99.9% speed of light, and it fires a missle, wouldn't the missle exceed SOL?
You aren't seeing anything individually going faster than the speed of light compared to yourself which is the important part.

Damn physics, you freaky!

Last Edited by theDtrain on 05/07/2012 04:15 PM
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Re: Did Scientists just break the speed of light barrier?
perhaps ...there is nothing faster than darkness or what travels from and within it
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mmm...nothing slower than darkness..it allows NO movement...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13422784


darkness is just the absence of light, so "darkness" is technically the SOL
Facts are stubborn things;
and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

We can never shed our sins and regrets, only accumulate more, a burden that we grow and carry until our deaths. The best we can do is learn to live with ourselves, to accommodate our pasts





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