Question's In Regards to Generic Luciferianism & Christianity

So what do you think? Why do you support the generic New World Luciferian principles based on spiritual evolution and eco-friendly co-existence and or why do you support the generic Christian belief of not attempting to inspire the reform of education into a more Earth friendly equilibrium?

Btw... [link to www.chinasmack.com]

Is not my vision of a modern spiritual society based on progression. Clearly, 'spark' has failed that particular community and it's leaders.

Okay, well I have another question. Someone mentioned something along the lines; 'Some Luciferians don't even believe in a real Lucifer but only see him as a symbol of liberty and or rebellion'. I've come to understand that Lucifer is an actual entity which can be communicated with, yes I mean an actual intelligence. Some people say he's a musician, others say he's more of like a scientist. Hey, we live for a pretty long time, why not be everything you can be eh? Well, the power of belief is very strong and one can form a deity over time which would come into being, however... this angel, this is something with a little history, either you would like to call him Satan and or Lucifer. I am still honestly a bit confused whether to believe the majority of Christians in trusting they are one in the same entity, obviously there are many frames and translations, but the general notion is; Angel Lucifer, 'btw did I mention some folks believe Satan and Angel of Death Samael are very equivalence of one another?', anyway, Angel Lucifer rebels along with a portion of other angelic beings whom form an army and get cast down to the 3rd density, but is still somehow capable of ruling 7 different other astral realms... of course along with his angels. Now, what exactly would one say of all of this? Author and all around pretty evil yet surprisingly nice and educational guy EA KOETTINGS explained that he has dealt with Satan and Lucifer and that they are nothing compared to the wrath of Azazel, but that is perhaps something for another thread. The point is, these beings apparently exist and they have certain different types of things in common with other entity groups such as those called the Annunaki. I am somewhat spiritual and I know EVIL exists, like nasty evil… clearly history has shown us what men can do, sick men like John Wayne Gacy. Sure you can lock them up in jail and kill em off as you catch em but still, it would be logical to think that some individuals are able to get their chaotic murderous minds under control. However, because we are able to have these sorts of instincts and thirsts for carnage from time to time or all the times… it makes me wonder, where exactly does that come from? I know the creator God, which created what we can physically see could not have created a species so capable of evolutionary intelligence that they would be fully capable of being able to commit such anti-creative actions. However… then I come across a wonderful post as this when one poses the question if the human being was the only species that killed amongst itself…

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War (systematic extermination of another group of the same species) has been observed in chimpanzees and ringtailed lemurs.
Hunting for amusement (i.e., when not hungry, abandoning the prey) has been observed in several felids (leopards, house cats, etc.) and killer whales.
Siblicide (killing brothers and sisters for a bigger share of parental resources) is fairly common in the animal kingdom. Examples are herons, boobies, egrets, many eagles and falcons, hammerhead sharks (in utero) and hyenas.
Fighting or killing for territory (physical land or access to mates) is almost universal in the animal kingdom. Even very "weak" animals like rabbits have been observed battling to the death for territory.
Animals also exhibit many positive traits we think of as human:
Cooperative rearing of young: corvids, lions, most primates, meerkats, bees, ants, dolphins, elephants, etc.
Monogamy: many eagles, swans, geese, cranes, and parrots. (Monogamy is extremely rare among mammals).
Defense of an injured member of the flock/pack/etc.: chimpanzees, bonobos, gorillas, elephants, etc.

To me these sorts of stories of man being created from an animal do sound sort of legitimate considering we still can't apparently find a clear evolutionary transition from what USED to be a human to what you currently have right now. Sure, we can go ahead and argue that you can CREATE a new form of biological life and it shall physically morph and or mutate as generations pass by, however… this would be a perfect combination of creation and evolution. The creation physically goes through an evolution as it breeds, however… if we are created in the image of our makers and or maker AND we were originally, according to certain individuals created to work as construction and mining slaves, these beings which created us in their image perhaps used the closest animal which resembled their physical form. This would explain why we human beings have a set of unique genes within our DNA structure which cannot be found in any other life form on the planet.

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However… here is an even deeper twist… there are multiple studies which suggest that certain fruits and vegetables resemble human body parts such as organs. Below is a link to some of this research and comparison.
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I can personally testify to the carrot having an effect on visual acuity as I've drank a massive amount of carrot juice in one batch to experience a sort of visual adjustment which was quite mind bending to say the least. Back to what I was saying prior in regards to a group of beings creating what we know recognize as present day humans… Considering this higher intelligence created man in their image, using something such as a lemur and or chimpanzee as it's first form of a human product, perhaps they also dragged along general attributes contained within the Earth itself. The reason I bring this up is not only due to the research of certain organs resembling fruits and vegetables but, we also have dimethyltryptamine and or DMT being associated within certain animals, plants and humans. Could it be… since consciousness manifest what we can physically observe, each planet has it's own unique consciousness which sets the general color scheme of the planet? The reason I make mention of this is due to the tales of Mars being a war like planet which pretty much destroyed itself in the process of battle as in comparison to the people of Earth which were originally really peaceful individuals. Certain tales suggest that somehow the Martians figured out how to cross over onto Earth and this is when the first couple of REAL social feuds began to occur, but again that is another story. The main point of that was to try to explain how each planet has a certain unique consciousness, however considering this information, tied into the creation of the human body… and the research of Thomas Cambell, in which he suggest; Consciousness will spontaneously come into existence if a perfect environment is able to withstand its inhabitation, it just grows like fungus… it's probably safe to suggest that this higher intelligence which allegedly created us was able to intertwine it's beings consciousness with that of our own in order to bring us into existence. Back to Lucifer or the Scientist; If what created us has us left a spark of his or her consciousness within all of us, would this not explain the 'ego' self and or Satan? We are coming to understand from hermetic science that all of these entities already exist within yourself, either they become active within you naturally or you must willingly trigger them into sight. However… from what we were able to observe within the moral of the film 'Revolver', they suggest what the Christian preach; The greatest trick Satan ever pulled was convincing the world he wasn't real. Now, if beings are multidimensional… especially if the higher intelligence are able to shift within densities and or even incarnate as flesh beings, would the reptilian brain be the spark of Lucifer within us?

Now of course this could be countered by simply saying that how would this tie into Lucifer being an evil character to begin with considering the information provided about The Animal Kingdom fighting and sacrificing amongst their own while we humans were created using their animalistic nature, considering of course chimpanzees were used, remember they fight amongst themselves, we fight amongst ourselves without uniformity! However… look at what the Muslim suggest when it comes to the Djinns and Satan. They openly say that these Djinns and or Demon's latterly go around doing evil thing's to humans and answering back to a single being as their master. This is a clear sign of a hierarchy of evil within the spiritual realm which again falls in line with Christian beliefs of Angels dropping out of heaven and coming down to torment God's creation. I am not 100% certain however… if Lucifer and the Fallen Angels came into the picture before and or after thing's such as Fairies, Larval, Salamanders and Gnomes spirits existed then where exactly does their consciousness come from? Islam explains God created Angels, Djinn's, and Humans. I am guessing it's safe to suggest that Fairies, Larval, Salamanders and Gnomes along with Fallen Angels can all be categorized as Djinn's unless i stand corrected. Islamic belief also suggest that some of these Djinn's also hold the capability of converting and choosing to practice Earthly religions such as Judaism, Christianity and Islam. This would tie in with what I made mention of prior in regards to fallen angels being allowed to incarnate on the planet, if we choose to recognize our errors while fallen, whether in the flesh or not… we can still exercise our freewill and accept God's love back into our hearts…. especially if that seems to be the major conflict amongst 'us and them'. In some traditions they teach that when one is ready to achieve Gnosis, they must come face to face with Lucifer and 'Steal' the light from him. Others suggest, he just gives it to you after completing some sort of astral initiation. Even open Masonic Luciferians admit that the 'Higher-Self' is Lucifer for the initiate, which is no secret considering how diverse the scope of what we are capable of within this reality seems to be revealing itself to be. Again, I'd really like the input of some of you other individuals whom are familiar with the subjects I have just brought up within this thread, this information is somewhat important to my spiritual growth. I've come to understand, for every concept one comes up with, make a total opposite one and you shall know your enemies before it's too late. -alex.

To add onto what I was previously saying... if consciousness manifest what we can physically observe, it should be safe for one to examine the possibilities of there being a case of 'Ignorance' when it comes to Atheist. I suggest this due to the existence of esoteric groups such as the Freemasons and Santeria which believe in the existence of God. When one ties in the religious philosophy and practical engagements of Djinn and or Demonic Science behind both Christianity and Islam, one would not find it hard to believe there would be an enemy whom would gain self awarding cool points from being able to manipulate certain portions of the population to ignorantly accept that there is no God. Being able to mind control a certain faction into believing the material world is all that exists sounds like the lowest level of rock bottom, meaning liquefied into the cracks beyond anything imaginable, I know... I was an atheist myself but always had a hunch. Again, I've never seen God face to face consciously within this life time, however... I study enough to know there is an enemy amongst us. Btw, I also forgot to make mention that some groups whom also believe in the fallen angel case suggest that their fallen consciousness is able to come into evolutionary re-education by reincarnating into different life forms such as plants, animals and eventually humans. Some also suggest that despite the claims of the 'Earth Experience' being sort of like a school, the simple fact that we lose our memory as we enter into this physical plane creates a possible breakdown of the suggested theory however, I bring to the table that because there is a range in density vibrations and TIME as we have come to LOVE is not real, then perhaps this spiritual growth behind the educational incarnations would work in conjunction with us CHOOSING to become self aware to the higher truth as we eventually figure out how to escape from the physical and onto the spiritual. Similar to how you can run on a track loop all day and continue to miss that one rock on the floor each time, the rock being the shamanic power plant, until one time you just so happen to trip over it, open your head and causes you to have a full blown near death experienced followed with a massive spiritual awakening thanks to an astral projection which so happens to propel you into an out of body experience.

-alex

Below is a collection of different videos which go into details based on Lucifer. There is much material to be found out there and lots of these materials come from different points of views. Some individuals, recognize themselves to be more personally close to the Lucifer circle and others might have just been esoteric students with quite a bag of knowledge. Either way, allow me to link you all to some videos from youtube spiritual educational vlogger Makalesi.





Luciferian Freemasonry Insider Speaks Freely




Here are a couple of other youtube channels and or direct video links to related subjects and or concepts. Enjoy.

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Gnostic Luciferianism - What is it ? Religion of Apotheosis - Paul & Phillip Collins (FULL)
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Last Edited by Captain Planet Alex on 04/22/2012 01:16 PM

Is this whole thread a question?

You should know that inside of every soul are the answers you seek.

It is as simple as light and dark, right and wrong, positive and negative, heaven and hell...

Left or right.

Good and evil.

Truth or lies.....

Here is the generic definition as described within the pages of Wikipedia...

Luciferianism is a belief system that venerates the essential characteristics that are affixed to Lucifer. The tradition, influenced by Gnosticism, usually reveres Lucifer not as the Devil, but as a liberator or guiding spirit[1] (often associated with the Greek Prometheus[2]) or even the true god as opposed to Jehovah.[3]

Luciferianism is identified by some people as an auxiliary of Satanism, due to the popular identification of Lucifer with Satan. Some Luciferians accept this identification or consider Lucifer the light bearer aspect of Satan.[1] Others reject it, arguing that Lucifer is a more positive ideal than Satan.

Historical Luciferianism

The Gesta Treverorum records that in 1231, heretics began to be persecuted throughout Germany. Among them were Luciferians principally in the archdiocese of Trier, but also Mainz and Cologne. Over the following three years, several people were burned as a result. According to a papal letter from Gregory IX, Vox in Rama, dated from July 13, 1233, one of the claims made by the Luciferians was that Lucifer had been cast out of Heaven unjustly. Women were implicated in the cult, and the Church accused those named as heretics of sexual perversities. The chronicler of the Gesta seems, however, to have confused Luciferians with the Cathars in some respects.[4]

On the other hand, Richard Cavendish has argued: "The confessions Conrad of Marburg extracted were apparently made without torture, but under the threat of death if the victim did not confess. If these confessions were accurate, the Luciferans were full-blown Satanists. They worshiped the Devil as creator and ruler of the world, complained that he had been unjustly and treacherously banished from Heaven, and believed that he would overthrow the God of the Christians and return to Heaven, when they would enjoy eternal happiness with him. They reveled in whatever displeased the Christian God and hated whatever pleased him..."

Modern Luciferianism

Many modern self-described Luciferian groups exist. Such modern groups vary widely, with some ascribing a more gnostic worldview, while others are largely derived from occult Satanism.

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Lucifer isn't Satan, YHVH isn't "God", Christ doesnt represent YHVH.

The hidden hand is whom you should seek.

your right i believe the young one is a little confused however i believe he will find what he is seeking to find

I guess you prefer to believe lies.

God examines hearts, and scripture states that those who are perishing, perish because they loved the lies more than truth, wickedness more than good. Luciferianism works on the SAME appeal that Satan used on Eve ... "you can be a god... you shall not surely die". It is the same message that lures millions into worshipping him and/or being attracted to the philosophies. Look around at our society - drugs, porn, sex, adultery, booze, greed, abortion etc. These are death and despair to millions of families, yet people are 'fighting' for their rights to have them. We have been brainwashed into WANTING them, even though they bring millions to despair and heartache. if you could understand that sins and wrong choices such as these are what separate us from God, perhaps you can start to see WHY Luciferianism/Satanism is here, attracting you. It appeals to your senses and your feelings, and it doesn't ask you to refrain from these things, because it defines them as 'pleasures'. Just as Satan did to Eve. Eve's SENSES were played to -

If you are going to form your opinions of the One True God of Christianity, do you not think it wise to seek Him yourself? If you could understand the times in which we live, then you would know why the public image of Christianity MUST appear repulsive. If there is any love of truth in your heart, you would make the decision to seek Him yourself. And you would find out, per scripture, that it is nothing to do with a public church - and everything to do with a relationship with Him.

We decide which direction we want to go. We must make a choice as individuals although we are brothers/sisters working together. We as a collective conscious make the change into the direction we want to go. Not the god/gods

I made this thread earlier today and OP may find this interesting. It fits in with your questions and it may bring more questions than answers. But, their is truth in all fractals of information.

Thread: Everything will not suddenly change December 21, 2012...rather, we are NOW in the process of this transition, from one World Age to the next

Peace:)

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Do not confuse yourself by overanalyzing.

Your first thought or assumption is usually the correct one unless your mind is to clouded and in that case you must clear your mind first before making a final decision.

LOL! You stole part of My new thread idea!.... I was planning to explain that AA is a Luciferian organization based on the Crowley Tarot deck... that it feeds on the "NEW" genetic mutation of alcoholism to control large groups into mind-control on the genetic/mental/emotional levels...great topic that You came up with though!

Hey Folks! Thanks a lot for the great replies thus far. Although I was hoping to squeeze out some rather new interpretations based on personal experiences, I'd like to be able to thank you first and foremost for the attention provided. It's beyond words the amount of light which I've exposed myself to within the spiritual and shamanic process. I know that is information general Christians might in turn oppose but it's okay. The truth is, as I've mentioned before… to any Christian whom is going to go ahead and come in and bash troll the piss out of me or the thread, I've actually found or established a conversation with God and or a positive force responsible for moments of eureka and synchronicity tied in to what we can observe as physical matter which became more noticeable after I began to have a personal relationship with Jesus. With that being stated, I'd also like to go ahead and admit that I am 3 years into these sorts of theoretical, historical and practical studies. I do consider myself very ignorant of several key components… however, being a student of Gnosis, you would probably have to forgive me on the spot.

From the Gnostic research I've conducted, outside of Luciferian Gnosticism… It is said that they believe in a God which created the universe but still was rather 'ignorant' within his creation. This in turn separates the TRUE God from the subject due to the general understanding of Earth being a creation of a limited amount of visible light, we could go ahead and suggest that the origin, the source, the GOD… creator of ALL, would be the head pancho non the less causing a mere separation and distinction. Although, I will be feasting my eyes into Lucifierian Gnosticism in the hours ahead, I would like to express that I am fully aware of Satan being a title and Lucifer being a legitimate Angel.



To my friend here… Anonymous Coward 14587673; First and foremost, I study and belief through personal interactions and or experiences. If you want to go ahead and subject yourself and promote others to subject themselves to the common mistakes behind the process of becoming in love with written literature then by all means, exercise your free will sir, but do not underestimate the power and rite of others being able to learned from the creation of source directly. You make mention of the Luciferian principles pushing and I quote… "Luciferianism works on the SAME appeal that Satan used on Eve ... "you can be a god... you shall not surely die". Surely, we all die… at least physically. However… life exists at multiple densities and human beings on Earth range from timely deaths, how would this imply some sort of immortality? I am guessing by logic one whom would not be able to die in the physical world would probably just accumulate knowledge, wealth and power and from what we can observe within the world around us, there are quite a lot of Luciferians and Satanist I might add whom age and die, just like everyone else. Clearly… it doesn't take too much for you to begin becoming frustrated when a mosquito constantly picks at your skin, eventually… you lock onto target mode and begin slapping around. Think about the millions if not billions of individuals whom lived throughout history whom successfully engaged within the occult practices of riding shot gun with the source. Clearly, if the source was disturbed and or bothered by us humans engaging in enlightenment beyond pre-school grade religious philosophy then he would have stopped the process all together thousands of years ago. I personally believe we are doing pretty good for ourselves at the moment and thanks to the power of the internet, we will be able to use it's reflective attributes in conjunction with what we as a whole species want for ourselves in the future… perhaps Testament 3.0. I'd also like to focus on the following which you have stated and I quote… "Look around at our society - drugs, porn, sex, adultery, booze, greed, abortion etc. These are death and despair to millions of families, yet people are 'fighting' for their rights to have them." This of course falls under the radar of accepting personal self-responsibility to see beyond the illusion. Anybody and Everybody has the capabilities of taking the initiation of unhooking themselves from the illusion and seeing past the mundane, this would include all of the varieties of vices you have listed. People fight for their rights to have these possessions and or experiences because they understand and become awake to the reality of blissfulness within the privacy of their own confines. The world… is not as FREE as it once used to be when Man was created. There are too many laws and thing's we 'have to do' according to other men whom imprison us within our very own minds. Allow yourself to ponder backwards or even take a look at the affairs of all the other species on the planet and ask yourself if you see nearly as much suffering within their existence… especially when WE, the humans cause the annihilation of trillions of wildlife each and every day. There is no BRAINWASHING taking place unless you are actually suggesting that the Drug's themselves are WASHING OUR BRAINS from the intricate OCCULT scheme of MODERN SLAVERY. Keeping up with modern city life and or the evolution of what will become a successful One World Order has NOTHING to do with keeping up with straying away from sin. The system itself is going through post-production simply due to the overall nature of how the Internet came into existence. Now we will really be able to take note of the majority of antagonist schemes found throughout the world which we directly and indirectly propel into our experience. Thing's will change and old ways of looking at the world will surely evolve past what the previous generations had once understood and because of this… thing's will continue to flow smoothly.

I am a seeker of Gnosis. -alex

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