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Evan03
(OP) User ID: 9873825  United States03/28/2012 07:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, I don't know who he is or thinks he is, but I do know this: Quoting: Lurker 6356307 Since 2009 1. Economy loosing 700,000 per month, January, 2009. 2. Stock market at around 7,000, January, 2009. 3. Auto industry about to collapse. 4. Mexican flu threat 5. BP oil spill 6. Floods, fires, tornadoes,drought 7. Riots and upheaval in Egypt, Lybia, Sryia, Yeman, Iraq, Greece ... 8. Threats from North Korea and Iran 9. Euro on the verge of collapse 10. Fukushima And all the while, a concerted campaign to obstruct any plan, program, or solution that he presents in Congress. And a concerted campaign to destroy his reputation and his character. And a concerted, unrelenting campaign to criticize everything he says, does, may do, has done, or will do in the future. My only question is whether he's human or not, because anybody else would have gone crazy with the pressure of these conditions. Or at least, their hair would have turned white. The media and people in general were brutal to Bush jr. We tried to impeach Clinton. So I think he knew stress came with the job. As for the rest of your post, are you saying he has done good for the country? That he has cleaned up some of the messes? Brutal to The Grand Dubya? Oh, you mean by not questioning how it was that 911 happened in the first place? Or by supporting his invasion of Iraq? Judith Miller of the New York Times taking dictation from Scooter Libby and then reporting it as fact? By letting Dick Cheney off the hook ... for interfereing with intelligence gathering at Langley. Not to mention shooting his friend. (Was he drunk?) Or not investigating and challenging Bush policies in regard to the financial collapse of 08? Michael Moore was pretty damned hard on BushII, but nobody else was much. But the events of these past three years, since Jan. 09, taken together, are the most I've seen on any President's plate since FDR. And even he didn't have to deal with a war and a depression at the *same* time. So, I think Obama's first priority has been to clean up Bush's mess. Second, handle the other *surprise* problems as they've come along. And third, implement policies that could help the average person -- in spite of the obstruction from Congress. For instance, he negotiated the Payroll Tax Holiday, for the express purpose of bolstering the income of the average worker. But name something that Obama has done that has led to the destruction of this country. Name one thing. OUt of control spending will bankrupt us. I know Bush had quite the deficit, but Obama is the biggest spender in history. Obama care expands the federal Government and adds nearly 2 trillion to the debt....I know dems think we should just tax the "rich" to pay for all his programs, but at what point do we stop the government from stealing our hard earned money? He is soft on immigration....releases those with no criminal record...which is insane. Signed NDAA continued the bailouts...we are yet to see the full extent of the damage from that. I have a prob with his overall ideology...of Government knows best. nanny state. Life is tough, but its tougher when you're stupid. -john wayne Truth is the new hate speech in our age of absurdity-Ted Nougat Sarcasm is the body's natural defense against stupid. |
| Lex Talionis
User ID: 10468096 United States03/28/2012 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, I don't know who he is or thinks he is, but I do know this: Quoting: Lurker 6356307 Since 2009 1. Economy loosing 700,000 per month, January, 2009. 2. Stock market at around 7,000, January, 2009. 3. Auto industry about to collapse. 4. Mexican flu threat 5. BP oil spill 6. Floods, fires, tornadoes,drought 7. Riots and upheaval in Egypt, Lybia, Sryia, Yeman, Iraq, Greece ... 8. Threats from North Korea and Iran 9. Euro on the verge of collapse 10. Fukushima And all the while, a concerted campaign to obstruct any plan, program, or solution that he presents in Congress. And a concerted campaign to destroy his reputation and his character. And a concerted, unrelenting campaign to criticize everything he says, does, may do, has done, or will do in the future. My only question is whether he's human or not, because anybody else would have gone crazy with the pressure of these conditions. Or at least, their hair would have turned white. The media and people in general were brutal to Bush jr. We tried to impeach Clinton. So I think he knew stress came with the job. As for the rest of your post, are you saying he has done good for the country? That he has cleaned up some of the messes? Brutal to The Grand Dubya? Oh, you mean by not questioning how it was that 911 happened in the first place? Or by supporting his invasion of Iraq? Judith Miller of the New York Times taking dictation from Scooter Libby and then reporting it as fact? By letting Dick Cheney off the hook ... for interfereing with intelligence gathering at Langley. Not to mention shooting his friend. (Was he drunk?) Or not investigating and challenging Bush policies in regard to the financial collapse of 08? Michael Moore was pretty damned hard on BushII, but nobody else was much. But the events of these past three years, since Jan. 09, taken together, are the most I've seen on any President's plate since FDR. And even he didn't have to deal with a war and a depression at the *same* time. So, I think Obama's first priority has been to clean up Bush's mess. Second, handle the other *surprise* problems as they've come along. And third, implement policies that could help the average person -- in spite of the obstruction from Congress. For instance, he negotiated the Payroll Tax Holiday, for the express purpose of bolstering the income of the average worker. But name something that Obama has done that has led to the destruction of this country. Name one thing. 1.Obama’s huge “commitment” to insert government into every aspect of our lives. 2.Obama and his comrades are even more incompetent than George W. Bush was as president. Take, for instance, the way he handled (as in didn't handle) the BP Gulf Coast oil spill. 3.He has subverted our system of justice with the assistance of his felonious Attorney General Eric Holder.(Reading Miranda rights to non-U.S. citizen terrorists? Really?) 4.He has disgraced us internationally and worked against freedom and human-rights movements and activists worldwide. Sorry, couldn't stop at one. But I could go on. "Tolerance is the lube that helps slip the dildo of dysfunction into the ass of a civilized society." Plato |
| s. d. butler
User ID: 13372527 United States03/28/2012 08:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, I don't know who he is or thinks he is, but I do know this: Quoting: Lurker 6356307 Since 2009 1. Economy loosing 700,000 per month, January, 2009. 2. Stock market at around 7,000, January, 2009. 3. Auto industry about to collapse. 4. Mexican flu threat 5. BP oil spill 6. Floods, fires, tornadoes,drought 7. Riots and upheaval in Egypt, Lybia, Sryia, Yeman, Iraq, Greece ... 8. Threats from North Korea and Iran 9. Euro on the verge of collapse 10. Fukushima And all the while, a concerted campaign to obstruct any plan, program, or solution that he presents in Congress. And a concerted campaign to destroy his reputation and his character. And a concerted, unrelenting campaign to criticize everything he says, does, may do, has done, or will do in the future. My only question is whether he's human or not, because anybody else would have gone crazy with the pressure of these conditions. Or at least, their hair would have turned white. The media and people in general were brutal to Bush jr. We tried to impeach Clinton. So I think he knew stress came with the job. As for the rest of your post, are you saying he has done good for the country? That he has cleaned up some of the messes? Brutal to The Grand Dubya? Oh, you mean by not questioning how it was that 911 happened in the first place? Or by supporting his invasion of Iraq? Judith Miller of the New York Times taking dictation from Scooter Libby and then reporting it as fact? By letting Dick Cheney off the hook ... for interfereing with intelligence gathering at Langley. Not to mention shooting his friend. (Was he drunk?) Or not investigating and challenging Bush policies in regard to the financial collapse of 08? Michael Moore was pretty damned hard on BushII, but nobody else was much. But the events of these past three years, since Jan. 09, taken together, are the most I've seen on any President's plate since FDR. And even he didn't have to deal with a war and a depression at the *same* time. So, I think Obama's first priority has been to clean up Bush's mess. Second, handle the other *surprise* problems as they've come along. And third, implement policies that could help the average person -- in spite of the obstruction from Congress. For instance, he negotiated the Payroll Tax Holiday, for the express purpose of bolstering the income of the average worker. But name something that Obama has done that has led to the destruction of this country. Name one thing. obama hasn't quite finished the destruction of this country so your "demand" should read what is he doing that is leading to the destruction of this country? Here is a partial answer. Instead of rolling back the little bush persons liberty destroying legislation he has built and expanded on them i.e. the NDAA, rule by decree and executive order, unilateral war making, unconstitutional "czars", TSA has expanded under his watch, to the streets with plans for more, regulation in what i know about i.e. agriculture and mining is much much worse now. One would think the obama person doesn't want any mining or farming. Except maybe for his mega wealthy corporate pals. None, not one, of the people responsible for such debacles as Solyndra has faced any type of accountability. The Gun Walker scandal and other obvious attempts of victim disarmament. The best that one can say of obama is that he is a Chicago thug in office to enrich himself and his cronies. But I don't think that is right. I think he is actively seeking to destroy America as it could be and should have been and replace it with something as close to Stalinism as he can get. Last Edited by s. d. butler on 03/28/2012 08:02 PM |
| Lex Talionis
User ID: 10468096 United States03/28/2012 08:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wait, one more. 5.He is not hardworking. He has even taken more vacations than George W. Bush. While the American people struggle with rising food prices, taxes, keeping their homes and just trying to keep their heads above water, this sends a terrible message to the nation, which is being asked to sacrifice. "Tolerance is the lube that helps slip the dildo of dysfunction into the ass of a civilized society." Plato |
| ar-15 nut
User ID: 1281306 United States03/28/2012 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wait, one more. Quoting: Lex Talionis 5.He is not hardworking. He has even taken more vacations than George W. Bush. While the American people struggle with rising food prices, taxes, keeping their homes and just trying to keep their heads above water, this sends a terrible message to the nation, which is being asked to sacrifice.  We are a REPUBLIC.If we can keep it MORAN! A pissed off American Veteran! |
ScrumpTheTexan
Forum Administrator User ID: 2691183 United States03/28/2012 08:06 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i beleive he also has personal motivations to destroy this country. He s definitely all too eager to do his master's will as much of it coincides with his own. ^This^ :sorospuppet02: Last Edited by ScrumpTheTexan on 03/28/2012 08:09 PM I am a Christian. Christian does not equal doormat or pushover "I Have Sworn upon the Altar of God... Eternal Hostility against every form of Tyranny over the mind of man." -Thomas Jefferson, Sep. 23, 1800  The Election of Donald John Trump: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] For previous Newsletters, click 'Scrump's News Letters' @ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6356307 United States03/28/2012 08:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, I don't know who he is or thinks he is, but I do know this: Quoting: Lurker 6356307 Since 2009 1. Economy loosing 700,000 per month, January, 2009. 2. Stock market at around 7,000, January, 2009. 3. Auto industry about to collapse. 4. Mexican flu threat 5. BP oil spill 6. Floods, fires, tornadoes,drought 7. Riots and upheaval in Egypt, Lybia, Sryia, Yeman, Iraq, Greece ... 8. Threats from North Korea and Iran 9. Euro on the verge of collapse 10. Fukushima And all the while, a concerted campaign to obstruct any plan, program, or solution that he presents in Congress. And a concerted campaign to destroy his reputation and his character. And a concerted, unrelenting campaign to criticize everything he says, does, may do, has done, or will do in the future. My only question is whether he's human or not, because anybody else would have gone crazy with the pressure of these conditions. Or at least, their hair would have turned white. The media and people in general were brutal to Bush jr. We tried to impeach Clinton. So I think he knew stress came with the job. As for the rest of your post, are you saying he has done good for the country? That he has cleaned up some of the messes? Brutal to The Grand Dubya? Oh, you mean by not questioning how it was that 911 happened in the first place? Or by supporting his invasion of Iraq? Judith Miller of the New York Times taking dictation from Scooter Libby and then reporting it as fact? By letting Dick Cheney off the hook ... for interfereing with intelligence gathering at Langley. Not to mention shooting his friend. (Was he drunk?) Or not investigating and challenging Bush policies in regard to the financial collapse of 08? Michael Moore was pretty damned hard on BushII, but nobody else was much. But the events of these past three years, since Jan. 09, taken together, are the most I've seen on any President's plate since FDR. And even he didn't have to deal with a war and a depression at the *same* time. So, I think Obama's first priority has been to clean up Bush's mess. Second, handle the other *surprise* problems as they've come along. And third, implement policies that could help the average person -- in spite of the obstruction from Congress. For instance, he negotiated the Payroll Tax Holiday, for the express purpose of bolstering the income of the average worker. But name something that Obama has done that has led to the destruction of this country. Name one thing. OUt of control spending will bankrupt us. I know Bush had quite the deficit, but Obama is the biggest spender in history. Obama care expands the federal Government and adds nearly 2 trillion to the debt....I know dems think we should just tax the "rich" to pay for all his programs, but at what point do we stop the government from stealing our hard earned money? He is soft on immigration....releases those with no criminal record...which is insane. Signed NDAA continued the bailouts...we are yet to see the full extent of the damage from that. I have a prob with his overall ideology...of Government knows best. nanny state. Bush had "quite a deficit"? Bush took Clinton's budget deficit surplus and added a coupla' trillion to that. And here's how. He cut taxes on the upper 1% and invaded two countries, costing the US taxpayer about one billion a week, each. So, less income, more expense equals debt. And on top of all that, the financial system collapsed in Sept. 08. So, Bush added to the deficit by signing TARP into law that fall, mainly because Paulson convinced everybody, including Congress, that the sky would surely fall unless they took taxpayer dollars, trillions, to prop up the banks. Obama comes along in January, 09. The economy is bleeding to death. 700,000 job losses per month. Most all economists advised that a stimulus was necessary to keep the situation from spiraling out of control. So, he signed The Recovery Act into law that Spring. The Act has been moderately successful, in that the economy started gaining jobs that same year. Also, that Spring, the "Auto bailout" has been spectacularly successful, in that most of those loans have been paid back. So ... the reasons for additional debt during the Obama administration boils down to: 1. The remainder of TARP expense from BushII 2. The REcovery Act which has paid off since private sector job growth has been susttained. 3. The Auto bailout doesn't count because that money has been paid back. 4. Although growth continues, the unemployment rate is still very high. The result: less revenue from jobs and less revenue from the Bush tax cuts plus the expenses incurred by the two, Bush wars, and social safety net programs being used to full capacity. Less revenue plus more expenses equals debt. By the way, the easing of the money supply, which was also in response to the bleeding of the economy, is under the jurisdiction of the Fed. In fact, Bernanke just recently took credit for his monetary policies. Heatlh care: The Affordable Care Act has not been implemented in any measureable way, yet. It is in no way a government "takeover" of the health care system. Instead, it expands and regulates private insurance. Ironically, it was supported by the Heritage Foundation in 1999 as an alternative to Single Payer. In addition, just this week, it was reported that if the Act were implemented fully, there would be a savings of 100 billion dollars in the system. Immigration: Hispanic political groups have complained that raids and the subsequent deportation of illegals has dramatically increased under Obama. NDAA: The NDAA is the National Defense Authorization Act. It funds the troops and their equipment. Obama could not *not sign it,* given the fact that 93 Senators voted for it. The part included that authorizes the military to police Americans on American soil is only a few sentences in the bill. Obama objected to it, but signed the bill anyway and issued a *signing statement* that his administration would not implement that part of the bill. But to your question: How to stop politicians from stealing your money? hmmmm Good question. Campaign Finance Reform? They're all bought and sold. |
| Lurker User ID: 6356307 United States03/28/2012 08:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, I don't know who he is or thinks he is, but I do know this: Quoting: Lurker 6356307 Since 2009 1. Economy loosing 700,000 per month, January, 2009. 2. Stock market at around 7,000, January, 2009. 3. Auto industry about to collapse. 4. Mexican flu threat 5. BP oil spill 6. Floods, fires, tornadoes,drought 7. Riots and upheaval in Egypt, Lybia, Sryia, Yeman, Iraq, Greece ... 8. Threats from North Korea and Iran 9. Euro on the verge of collapse 10. Fukushima And all the while, a concerted campaign to obstruct any plan, program, or solution that he presents in Congress. And a concerted campaign to destroy his reputation and his character. And a concerted, unrelenting campaign to criticize everything he says, does, may do, has done, or will do in the future. My only question is whether he's human or not, because anybody else would have gone crazy with the pressure of these conditions. Or at least, their hair would have turned white. The media and people in general were brutal to Bush jr. We tried to impeach Clinton. So I think he knew stress came with the job. As for the rest of your post, are you saying he has done good for the country? That he has cleaned up some of the messes? Brutal to The Grand Dubya? Oh, you mean by not questioning how it was that 911 happened in the first place? Or by supporting his invasion of Iraq? Judith Miller of the New York Times taking dictation from Scooter Libby and then reporting it as fact? By letting Dick Cheney off the hook ... for interfereing with intelligence gathering at Langley. Not to mention shooting his friend. (Was he drunk?) Or not investigating and challenging Bush policies in regard to the financial collapse of 08? Michael Moore was pretty damned hard on BushII, but nobody else was much. But the events of these past three years, since Jan. 09, taken together, are the most I've seen on any President's plate since FDR. And even he didn't have to deal with a war and a depression at the *same* time. So, I think Obama's first priority has been to clean up Bush's mess. Second, handle the other *surprise* problems as they've come along. And third, implement policies that could help the average person -- in spite of the obstruction from Congress. For instance, he negotiated the Payroll Tax Holiday, for the express purpose of bolstering the income of the average worker. But name something that Obama has done that has led to the destruction of this country. Name one thing. 1.Obama’s huge “commitment” to insert government into every aspect of our lives. 2.Obama and his comrades are even more incompetent than George W. Bush was as president. Take, for instance, the way he handled (as in didn't handle) the BP Gulf Coast oil spill. 3.He has subverted our system of justice with the assistance of his felonious Attorney General Eric Holder.(Reading Miranda rights to non-U.S. citizen terrorists? Really?) 4.He has disgraced us internationally and worked against freedom and human-rights movements and activists worldwide. Sorry, couldn't stop at one. But I could go on. Ponts one through four. Not true. |
| Lurker User ID: 6356307 United States03/28/2012 08:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, I don't know who he is or thinks he is, but I do know this: Quoting: Lurker 6356307 Since 2009 1. Economy loosing 700,000 per month, January, 2009. 2. Stock market at around 7,000, January, 2009. 3. Auto industry about to collapse. 4. Mexican flu threat 5. BP oil spill 6. Floods, fires, tornadoes,drought 7. Riots and upheaval in Egypt, Lybia, Sryia, Yeman, Iraq, Greece ... 8. Threats from North Korea and Iran 9. Euro on the verge of collapse 10. Fukushima And all the while, a concerted campaign to obstruct any plan, program, or solution that he presents in Congress. And a concerted campaign to destroy his reputation and his character. And a concerted, unrelenting campaign to criticize everything he says, does, may do, has done, or will do in the future. My only question is whether he's human or not, because anybody else would have gone crazy with the pressure of these conditions. Or at least, their hair would have turned white. The media and people in general were brutal to Bush jr. We tried to impeach Clinton. So I think he knew stress came with the job. As for the rest of your post, are you saying he has done good for the country? That he has cleaned up some of the messes? Brutal to The Grand Dubya? Oh, you mean by not questioning how it was that 911 happened in the first place? Or by supporting his invasion of Iraq? Judith Miller of the New York Times taking dictation from Scooter Libby and then reporting it as fact? By letting Dick Cheney off the hook ... for interfereing with intelligence gathering at Langley. Not to mention shooting his friend. (Was he drunk?) Or not investigating and challenging Bush policies in regard to the financial collapse of 08? Michael Moore was pretty damned hard on BushII, but nobody else was much. But the events of these past three years, since Jan. 09, taken together, are the most I've seen on any President's plate since FDR. And even he didn't have to deal with a war and a depression at the *same* time. So, I think Obama's first priority has been to clean up Bush's mess. Second, handle the other *surprise* problems as they've come along. And third, implement policies that could help the average person -- in spite of the obstruction from Congress. For instance, he negotiated the Payroll Tax Holiday, for the express purpose of bolstering the income of the average worker. But name something that Obama has done that has led to the destruction of this country. Name one thing. obama hasn't quite finished the destruction of this country so your "demand" should read what is he doing that is leading to the destruction of this country? Here is a partial answer. Instead of rolling back the little bush persons liberty destroying legislation he has built and expanded on them i.e. the NDAA, rule by decree and executive order, unilateral war making, unconstitutional "czars", TSA has expanded under his watch, to the streets with plans for more, regulation in what i know about i.e. agriculture and mining is much much worse now. One would think the obama person doesn't want any mining or farming. Except maybe for his mega wealthy corporate pals. None, not one, of the people responsible for such debacles as Solyndra has faced any type of accountability. The Gun Walker scandal and other obvious attempts of victim disarmament. The best that one can say of obama is that he is a Chicago thug in office to enrich himself and his cronies. But I don't think that is right. I think he is actively seeking to destroy America as it could be and should have been and replace it with something as close to Stalinism as he can get. You do not have the correct information or impression of what happened with the NDAA, Solyndra or "Gun Walker" episodes. Can't argue with what you say about TSA. Damn the TSA! But let's remember that it was Bush who created the Homeland Security Department in the first place. The biggest congregation of bureaucrats ever!!!! |
| Lurker User ID: 6356307 United States03/28/2012 08:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wait, one more. Quoting: Lex Talionis 5.He is not hardworking. He has even taken more vacations than George W. Bush. While the American people struggle with rising food prices, taxes, keeping their homes and just trying to keep their heads above water, this sends a terrible message to the nation, which is being asked to sacrifice. More vacations than Bush? Are you kidding? Since when has Obama taken off the entire month of August, for instance? Rising food prices have been caused by weather events, Chinese demand, and speculation in oil futures. About about oil: domestic oil production has increased under Obama. Demand has gone down. Keeping their homes? The economy collapsed in Sept. 08, not 09. Not only has Obama retained the Bush tax cuts, he's fought for the Payroll Tax Holliday that you are now enjoying, presumably -- if you're employed, that is. |
| s. d. butler
User ID: 13372527 United States03/29/2012 12:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Evan03 The media and people in general were brutal to Bush jr. We tried to impeach Clinton. So I think he knew stress came with the job. As for the rest of your post, are you saying he has done good for the country? That he has cleaned up some of the messes? Brutal to The Grand Dubya? Oh, you mean by not questioning how it was that 911 happened in the first place? Or by supporting his invasion of Iraq? Judith Miller of the New York Times taking dictation from Scooter Libby and then reporting it as fact? By letting Dick Cheney off the hook ... for interfereing with intelligence gathering at Langley. Not to mention shooting his friend. (Was he drunk?) Or not investigating and challenging Bush policies in regard to the financial collapse of 08? Michael Moore was pretty damned hard on BushII, but nobody else was much. But the events of these past three years, since Jan. 09, taken together, are the most I've seen on any President's plate since FDR. And even he didn't have to deal with a war and a depression at the *same* time. So, I think Obama's first priority has been to clean up Bush's mess. Second, handle the other *surprise* problems as they've come along. And third, implement policies that could help the average person -- in spite of the obstruction from Congress. For instance, he negotiated the Payroll Tax Holiday, for the express purpose of bolstering the income of the average worker. But name something that Obama has done that has led to the destruction of this country. Name one thing. obama hasn't quite finished the destruction of this country so your "demand" should read what is he doing that is leading to the destruction of this country? Here is a partial answer. Instead of rolling back the little bush persons liberty destroying legislation he has built and expanded on them i.e. the NDAA, rule by decree and executive order, unilateral war making, unconstitutional "czars", TSA has expanded under his watch, to the streets with plans for more, regulation in what i know about i.e. agriculture and mining is much much worse now. One would think the obama person doesn't want any mining or farming. Except maybe for his mega wealthy corporate pals. None, not one, of the people responsible for such debacles as Solyndra has faced any type of accountability. The Gun Walker scandal and other obvious attempts of victim disarmament. The best that one can say of obama is that he is a Chicago thug in office to enrich himself and his cronies. But I don't think that is right. I think he is actively seeking to destroy America as it could be and should have been and replace it with something as close to Stalinism as he can get. You do not have the correct information or impression of what happened with the NDAA, Solyndra or "Gun Walker" episodes. Can't argue with what you say about TSA. Damn the TSA! But let's remember that it was Bush who created the Homeland Security Department in the first place. The biggest congregation of bureaucrats ever!!!! Maybe I don't have "the correct impression" about the things you cited. How about the other things? "homeland security" is more than "the biggest congregation of bureaucrats ever". Do you not see the danger of these "bureaucrats" morphing into the Gestapo, the Stasi, the Cheka ? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 13323847 United States03/29/2012 12:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sad how so many people do not understand that the faces that they show us on TV are not the actual people that are plotting the course or steering the ship. They're basically just entertainment. Are you fucking entertained or what? Clinton, Bush, Obama.... You bet, what a fucking line up. Fuck all of you morons who think that our "leaders" are leading us. Fuck you for buying into their bullshit agendas. Fuck you for supporting the false left right paradigm. Fuck you for being a sheep. Fuck you! |
| Evan03
(OP) User ID: 9873825 United States03/29/2012 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sad how so many people do not understand that the faces that they show us on TV are not the actual people that are plotting the course or steering the ship. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13323847 They're basically just entertainment. Are you fucking entertained or what? Clinton, Bush, Obama.... You bet, what a fucking line up. Fuck all of you morons who think that our "leaders" are leading us. Fuck you for buying into their bullshit agendas. Fuck you for supporting the false left right paradigm. Fuck you for being a sheep. Fuck you! Don't hold back, tell me how you really feel. Life is tough, but its tougher when you're stupid. -john wayne Truth is the new hate speech in our age of absurdity-Ted Nougat Sarcasm is the body's natural defense against stupid. |
| ElusivePisces User ID: 11156436 United States03/29/2012 12:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sad how so many people do not understand that the faces that they show us on TV are not the actual people that are plotting the course or steering the ship. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13323847 They're basically just entertainment. Are you fucking entertained or what? Clinton, Bush, Obama.... You bet, what a fucking line up. Fuck all of you morons who think that our "leaders" are leading us. Fuck you for buying into their bullshit agendas. Fuck you for supporting the false left right paradigm. Fuck you for being a sheep. Fuck you! Well said indeed! |
| Evan03
(OP) User ID: 9873825 United States03/29/2012 12:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Evan03 The media and people in general were brutal to Bush jr. We tried to impeach Clinton. So I think he knew stress came with the job. As for the rest of your post, are you saying he has done good for the country? That he has cleaned up some of the messes? Brutal to The Grand Dubya? Oh, you mean by not questioning how it was that 911 happened in the first place? Or by supporting his invasion of Iraq? Judith Miller of the New York Times taking dictation from Scooter Libby and then reporting it as fact? By letting Dick Cheney off the hook ... for interfereing with intelligence gathering at Langley. Not to mention shooting his friend. (Was he drunk?) Or not investigating and challenging Bush policies in regard to the financial collapse of 08? Michael Moore was pretty damned hard on BushII, but nobody else was much. But the events of these past three years, since Jan. 09, taken together, are the most I've seen on any President's plate since FDR. And even he didn't have to deal with a war and a depression at the *same* time. So, I think Obama's first priority has been to clean up Bush's mess. Second, handle the other *surprise* problems as they've come along. And third, implement policies that could help the average person -- in spite of the obstruction from Congress. For instance, he negotiated the Payroll Tax Holiday, for the express purpose of bolstering the income of the average worker. But name something that Obama has done that has led to the destruction of this country. Name one thing. OUt of control spending will bankrupt us. I know Bush had quite the deficit, but Obama is the biggest spender in history. Obama care expands the federal Government and adds nearly 2 trillion to the debt....I know dems think we should just tax the "rich" to pay for all his programs, but at what point do we stop the government from stealing our hard earned money? He is soft on immigration....releases those with no criminal record...which is insane. Signed NDAA continued the bailouts...we are yet to see the full extent of the damage from that. I have a prob with his overall ideology...of Government knows best. nanny state. Bush had "quite a deficit"? Bush took Clinton's budget deficit surplus and added a coupla' trillion to that. And here's how. He cut taxes on the upper 1% and invaded two countries, costing the US taxpayer about one billion a week, each. So, less income, more expense equals debt. And on top of all that, the financial system collapsed in Sept. 08. So, Bush added to the deficit by signing TARP into law that fall, mainly because Paulson convinced everybody, including Congress, that the sky would surely fall unless they took taxpayer dollars, trillions, to prop up the banks. Obama comes along in January, 09. The economy is bleeding to death. 700,000 job losses per month. Most all economists advised that a stimulus was necessary to keep the situation from spiraling out of control. So, he signed The Recovery Act into law that Spring. The Act has been moderately successful, in that the economy started gaining jobs that same year. Also, that Spring, the "Auto bailout" has been spectacularly successful, in that most of those loans have been paid back. So ... the reasons for additional debt during the Obama administration boils down to: 1. The remainder of TARP expense from BushII 2. The REcovery Act which has paid off since private sector job growth has been susttained. 3. The Auto bailout doesn't count because that money has been paid back. 4. Although growth continues, the unemployment rate is still very high. The result: less revenue from jobs and less revenue from the Bush tax cuts plus the expenses incurred by the two, Bush wars, and social safety net programs being used to full capacity. Less revenue plus more expenses equals debt. By the way, the easing of the money supply, which was also in response to the bleeding of the economy, is under the jurisdiction of the Fed. In fact, Bernanke just recently took credit for his monetary policies. Heatlh care: The Affordable Care Act has not been implemented in any measureable way, yet. It is in no way a government "takeover" of the health care system. Instead, it expands and regulates private insurance. Ironically, it was supported by the Heritage Foundation in 1999 as an alternative to Single Payer. In addition, just this week, it was reported that if the Act were implemented fully, there would be a savings of 100 billion dollars in the system. Immigration: Hispanic political groups have complained that raids and the subsequent deportation of illegals has dramatically increased under Obama. NDAA: The NDAA is the National Defense Authorization Act. It funds the troops and their equipment. Obama could not *not sign it,* given the fact that 93 Senators voted for it. The part included that authorizes the military to police Americans on American soil is only a few sentences in the bill. Obama objected to it, but signed the bill anyway and issued a *signing statement* that his administration would not implement that part of the bill. But to your question: How to stop politicians from stealing your money? hmmmm Good question. Campaign Finance Reform? They're all bought and sold. Fair points. I don't have the time right now to respond to all of it, but I will later. But I will ask, do you really think Obama loves America? Do you think he believes in free market capitalism? Do you think he respects and wants to uphold America's Sovereignty? Life is tough, but its tougher when you're stupid. -john wayne Truth is the new hate speech in our age of absurdity-Ted Nougat Sarcasm is the body's natural defense against stupid. |
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| Evan03
(OP) User ID: 9873825 United States03/29/2012 12:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You retards dont even know his policies you just scream and whine like retarded little conspiracy fags. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1652379 All you have to contribute is Ad Hominems? Explain yourself, contribute, don't just yell and run. Life is tough, but its tougher when you're stupid. -john wayne Truth is the new hate speech in our age of absurdity-Ted Nougat Sarcasm is the body's natural defense against stupid. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1652379 United States03/29/2012 12:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You retards dont even know his policies you just scream and whine like retarded little conspiracy fags. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1652379 All you have to contribute is Ad Hominems? Explain yourself, contribute, don't just yell and run. LOL you are a moron this is all the the whole board does OMGZA OBAMA IS A NAZI MUSLIM COMMMIE HURR DURRR |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1245622 United States03/29/2012 01:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | oh, he thinks he is trying to fix things...just like every collectivist before him....not one of the options you gave in the poll though. He is trying to destroy this country's system because he thinks marxism is better for all of us |
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| Evan03
(OP) User ID: 9873825 United States03/29/2012 01:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You retards dont even know his policies you just scream and whine like retarded little conspiracy fags. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1652379 All you have to contribute is Ad Hominems? Explain yourself, contribute, don't just yell and run. LOL you are a moron this is all the the whole board does OMGZA OBAMA IS A NAZI MUSLIM COMMMIE HURR DURRR OK, way to avoid the subject. If you havn't noticed a few posts back, someone was defending Obama and I never mocked him. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Life is tough, but its tougher when you're stupid. -john wayne Truth is the new hate speech in our age of absurdity-Ted Nougat Sarcasm is the body's natural defense against stupid. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1245622 United States03/29/2012 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | oh, he thinks he is trying to fix things...just like every collectivist before him....not one of the options you gave in the poll though. He is trying to destroy this country's system because he thinks marxism is better for all of us forgot to add...he is a "true believer" marxist who has a utopian vision of a great collectivist society...but TPTB like collectivism as it is just a form of serfdom...sooo yes he is both working towards his agenda, and a puppet for TPTB agenda, they are the same though their reasons behind the agenda are different. |
| Evan03
(OP) User ID: 9873825 United States03/29/2012 01:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | oh, he thinks he is trying to fix things...just like every collectivist before him....not one of the options you gave in the poll though. He is trying to destroy this country's system because he thinks marxism is better for all of us forgot to add...he is a "true believer" marxist who has a utopian vision of a great collectivist society...but TPTB like collectivism as it is just a form of serfdom...sooo yes he is both working towards his agenda, and a puppet for TPTB agenda, they are the same though their reasons behind the agenda are different. I agree about collectivism. I do believe Obama believes in collectivism. Also TPTB. That's why I don't like him as our POTUS. Dems and repubs can argue back and forth all day about statistics or who did what and who is at fault for what. But the truth is, Obama is a collectivist like you said. And that bothers me more than anything else. Life is tough, but its tougher when you're stupid. -john wayne Truth is the new hate speech in our age of absurdity-Ted Nougat Sarcasm is the body's natural defense against stupid. |
| Evan03
(OP) User ID: 9873825 United States03/29/2012 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Only 7% of Poll participants believe Obama has our best interest at heart. Interesting...I know he was elected with more than 7% of the countries votes.... Life is tough, but its tougher when you're stupid. -john wayne Truth is the new hate speech in our age of absurdity-Ted Nougat Sarcasm is the body's natural defense against stupid. |
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(OP) User ID: 9873825 United States03/29/2012 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | good poll Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1364770 the people he's working for are against us obama is a puppet like those before him and those after him Do you think maybe he is a "good guy" but knows he cant stray too far from TPTB's plans? Life is tough, but its tougher when you're stupid. -john wayne Truth is the new hate speech in our age of absurdity-Ted Nougat Sarcasm is the body's natural defense against stupid. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1364770 United States03/29/2012 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | good poll Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1364770 the people he's working for are against us obama is a puppet like those before him and those after him Do you think maybe he is a "good guy" but knows he cant stray too far from TPTB's plans? i honestly don't know him other than what i've seen in the media, so i really couldn't say. i think every pres has their own views on things but definitely know their constraints, as far as their true political beliefs or what they want for the country i'm not sure we're ever going to know that. they show us what they want us to see, tough to say |
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(OP) User ID: 9873825 United States03/29/2012 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | good poll Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1364770 the people he's working for are against us obama is a puppet like those before him and those after him Do you think maybe he is a "good guy" but knows he cant stray too far from TPTB's plans? i honestly don't know him other than what i've seen in the media, so i really couldn't say. i think every pres has their own views on things but definitely know their constraints, as far as their true political beliefs or what they want for the country i'm not sure we're ever going to know that. they show us what they want us to see, tough to say  Life is tough, but its tougher when you're stupid. -john wayne Truth is the new hate speech in our age of absurdity-Ted Nougat Sarcasm is the body's natural defense against stupid. |
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User ID: 1461638 United States03/29/2012 10:58 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just found the thread. Sorry I'm late to the party. Obama's mentors advocated the economic and social destruction of the good ol U.S. of A. From Alynski, to Cone, to Ayers, to Jerimiah Wright. What's he been doing since he took up reidence at 1600 PA Ave? Denying justice, defying the constitution, and spending money faster than a communist running a money printing press. Obama is definitely doing all of this on purpose. Last Edited by Resister on 03/29/2012 10:59 PM "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
