"Stop Comparing Fukushima to Chernobyl"

And you adding nothing with your Posting
and remember i get paid by each Post i do!

@bug,
you and your Life is absolute useless,
in your Head is only the need of a Boost
of your Ego but nothing (much) else!

oh i get it is a controlled melt down going on in Japan...
all is good...keep smiling...
this is NORMAL.

and i guess this would not by a china ....
wrong side of the globe...

I see that a ongoing Discussion here is not possible anymore,
People who still have a interest should use the real Sources
via Google Sharing and look for:
"fukushima chernobyl comparison"

The Brenenews-Fraction failed to bring even one relevant Article,
not even one PEER-Reviewed Study or Report
because they are living in a intellectual Incest!

F'Shima is not the End of Japan
or even the End of the whole Earth,
we will go on, dancing and never Surrender because
we are the upright Humans and not the Slaves who
living in Fear,Ignorance and Decadence!

Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 03/19/2012 10:08 AM

Oh, come on. I'm getting the impression that you don't like me anymore.

Is it because I tell the truth, something that you cannot do?

Or is it because I know too much?

Oh, I know what it is.

Your Tepco psy-op buddies are giving you a hard time because you are not very effective against a tenacious nobody with merely a laptop, a thirst for knowledge and truth... and a long memory.

snicker


~
bug

Our Memory and Mind are also very well trained
and in the first Months we thought that you are a Person with open Eyes,
now we can see only Hate and Self Denial,
this is very sad but not up to us!

You got lost in Technical Data, in wrong Data and in Data
you are not able to understand,
you should make a longer Break from this Topic
because F'Shima is not running away but your Life (maybe)!

Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 03/19/2012 10:32 AM

I understand the physics of a nuclear meltdown.
Pumping water on corium is like pissing on a forest fire.
The steam generated rises by heat convection carrying with it radio-isotopic particles of all kinds, some have half-lives of thousands of years, which enter atmospheric currents that carry the contamination until it is released in rain and snow and then we have fallout in all corners of the planet...

And this has continued for a year unabated with no end in sight.

Sound about right?

Time for a shift change?

~
bug

Sometimes it is necessary to visit and read Pages u don't like, like in your case,
please visit: [link to www.tepco.co.jp]
to fully understand what they, arrrrggggghhhhhhh stop
"What we (Moe, me and the rest of our Shift) are doing in and on our lovely NPP"!

Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 03/19/2012 10:42 AM

Tepco reports are garbage and you know it...
They lie when the truth would sound better.

Why don't you explain where I am wrong?

Fuel meltdowns + loss of containment + corium + steam + atmospheric transport = fallout.

All documented and confirmed by Tepco.

So, are they lying about that or just the reports? Can't have it both ways.

~
b

Fukushima... ~ 4,277 tons of nuclear material on site
Chernobyl... ~ 180 tons of nuclear material on site

No one has yet been able to measure how much fuel has been lost at Fukushima.

Look, now you done a great Step
all you need to do now is to bring a Source
for the "loss of Containment"!



Also here: Where are your Sources,
where did you got this Numbers?

Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 03/19/2012 10:58 AM

The cores themselves, while very troubling, were never the most serious concern (containing ~ 100 tons of material in total).

The larger threat was always the spent fuel pools. It dwarfed the amount in the cores and was much harder to contain as the pools went dry.

There are plenty of sources discussing the amounts of fuel on site. From audits taken in previous year and recent activities around the site. Both within the cores at the time of the incident and around the site in SFP's.

You seem like a bright individual. I am not here to debate or contest.

It was/is a great tragedy for the people of Japan. Regardless of how you or I measure or quantify it. Regardless of what the reports reveal.

peace,

You really do think I'm that simple?
For me to know and for you to find out...

It's all on my thread. You know,
the one you have tried to discredit
but have been completely unsuccessful in doing so.


Nah na na nah, nah na na nah, hey hey hey, good bye.


~
bug the giant-killer

For f**ks sake Atom boy!!!????


What is it you dont understand???


Why do you persist in trying to keep on with the bullshit?

You are starting to sound like a broken record.

Lets get something straight. There is no containment. Period.

If there was still "containment" there wouldnt be any radiation. Is that simple enough for you?

There is a massive, totally huge amount of stored fuel onsite, with the spent fuel pools broken and devoid of water in MOST cases.

There was fires burning in at least two of the sfp's.

There are thousands of cases of thyroid cancers showing up in children ALLREADY.

In the Ukraine it took three years to show up. There is strong evidence to suggest that the amount of contamination is VAST.

Consider the amount of radionuclides measured in the needles and leaves of the forests? 250,000 disintergrations a second, for every kilo of leaves. Those trees produce pollen, which disperses to the air that we breathe.

1800 square kilometres of forest, do the math.

Consider that there is an exclusion zone. Why do you think that is? Is it because there is containment and no radiation?

Are you blind? Can you see the "intact" spent fuel pool at any of the reactors??????

Russia well understood the implications of chernobyl, and they acted accordingly ONCE they realised the inherint danger. Japan tried to tell EVERYONE that EVERYTHING was OK

Right from the start they lied, even to world governments. And they have continued to "not tell the full truth" at EVERY stage since. ONLY when news becomes public knowledge will "TEPCO" actually release information. And quite often the information they have "released" goes against the actual known facts.

If you believe the radiation readings released by tepco thats your own look out. If you beleive the "official" story by the russians your truly are an idiot. Any fool can see that the russians have lied through their teeth when it comes to casualty figures.

We allready know that hundreds of thousands died AS A RESULT OF WORKING AT CHERNOBYL, wheather they died in the first explosion, or weather they died years later is of no consequence. They still died.

Japan is dying now. Right now. The japanese government is on its knees praying for devine help, cause that is the only help coming.

The situation is STILL precarious, it is still volatile, and can quite easily escalate to dramatic proportions and day.

All it will take is a small earthquake in the right spot.

Or even just a simple collapse of concrete.
There is NO comparison to chernobyl, and NOBODY is comparing them. Chernobyl is old news. Fukushima IS the new benchmark. After Fukushima there is nothing else, but pure extinction.

If the end of the world is a ten, then fukushima is a 9.5.

The truthfull situation is allready known, and its very very very bad. There IS NO FUCKING CONTAIMENT.

once you get your head around that little factoid you can move on to understanding just what the hell is going on.

If you wish to go along with the "official" story as written by TEPCO, might I suggest you fuck off to there website and lick their boots, rather then spread your stupid shit here.

Im sorry to be rude, but you are starting to piss me off with your crap. You just cant seem to understand that your government and tepco is lying to you. And they will still be saying everthing is ok even when the last japanese dies.

They are a money making corperation, they are not human.

Fukushima is the end of nuclear, as it is the end of japan.

This is the situation, dude. Yes its doom and gloom, its called reality, and its what happens when your fuck around with atoms, atom-boy

You will say: "Excuse me, great Master of the Truth"!
when you are wrong?

Isn't obfuscation wonderful ?

You should change your name from 'Atom Boy' to " Manure Spreader ", lol !

And your name will be changed
into "useless Troll who get kicked
out of his Trollfamily"

INFOGRAPHIC: Fukushima vs. Chernobyl Fallout Comparison
[link to www.emergency-response-planning.com]

Table 2: Comparison of Pu releases during the Fukushima DNPP accident and the Chernobyl accident
[link to www.nature.com]

Fukushima Accident 2011
[link to www.world-nuclear.org]

At the time of the accident, in addition to a large number of used fuel assemblies, unit 4's pond also held a full core load of 548 fuel assemblies while the reactor was undergoing maintenance, these having been removed at the end of November.

A separate set of problems arose as the fuel ponds, holding fresh and used fuel in the upper part of the reactor structures, were found to be depleted in water. The primary cause of the low water levels was loss of cooling circulation to external heat exchangers, leading to elevated temperatures and probably boiling, especially in heavily-loaded unit 4.

After the hydrogen explosion in unit 4 early on Tuesday 15 March, Tepco was told to implement injection of water to unit 4 pond which had a particularly high heat load (3 MW) from 1331 used fuel assemblies in it, so it was the main focus of concern. It needed the addition of about 100 m3/day to replenish it after circulation ceased.

From Tuesday 15 March attention was given to replenishing the water in the ponds of units 1, 2, 3 as well. Initially this was attempted with fire pumps but from 22 March a concrete pump with 58-metre boom enabled more precise targeting of water through the damaged walls of the service floors. There was some use of built-in plumbing for unit 2. Analysis of radionuclides in water from the used fuel ponds suggested that some of the fuel assemblies might be damaged, but the majority were intact.

There was concern about structural strength of unit 4 building, so support for the pond was reinforced by the end of July.
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Summary: Major releases of radionuclides, including long-lived caesium, occurred to air, mainly in mid March. The population within a 20km radius had been evacuated three days earlier. Considerable work was done to reduce the amount of radioactive debris on site and to stabilise dust. The main source of radioactive releases was the apparent hydrogen explosion in the suppression chamber of unit 2 on 15 March. A cover building for unit 1 reactor has been built and commissioned. Radioactive releases in mid July had reduced to 1 GBq/hr, and dose rate from these at the plant boundary was 1.7 mSv/yr.
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To 31 December, Tepco had checked the radiation exposure of 19,594 people who had worked on the site since 11 March, for many of these considering both external dose and internal doses (measured with whole-body counters).

It reported that 167 workers had received doses over 100 mSv. Of these 135 had received 100 to 150 mSv, 23 150-200 mSv, three more 200-250 mSv, and six had received over 250 mSv (309 to 678 mSv) apparently due to inhaling iodine-131 fume early on. The latter included the two unit 3-4 control room operators in the first two days who had not been wearing breathing apparatus.

There were up to 200 workers on site each day. Recovery workers are wearing personal monitors, with breathing apparatus and protective clothing which protect against alpha and beta radiation. So far over 3500 of some 3700 workers at the damaged Daiichi plant have received internal check-ups for radiation exposure, giving whole body count estimates.

The level of 250 mSv is the allowable maximum short-term dose for Fukushima accident clean-up workers, 500 mSv is the international allowable short-term dose "for emergency workers taking life-saving actions".
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No harmful health effects were found in 195,345 residents living in the vicinity of the plant who were screened by May 31. All the 1,080 children tested for thyroid gland exposure showed results within safe limits, according to the report submitted to IAEA in June.

By December, government health checks of some 1700 residents who were evacuated from three municipalities showed that two-thirds received an external radiation dose within the normal international limit of 1 mSv/yr, 98% were below 5 mSv/yr, and ten people were exposed to more than 10 mSv.

[link to www.world-nuclear.org]

Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 03/21/2012 01:58 AM

haha they are just uncomparable:
Chernobil was sealed for about month despite 4000 possible victims
Fukushima still leaked trough air and soil...

You are free to bring in a few Sources!

The amounts we see since April
are only 1/13.000.000 and since
September only 1/50.000.000
of the Dosage we saw in the
first Week after 03/11!

I am sure that Chernobyl have still
a higher Output,
Chernobyl is also not "Sealed Off"!

Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 03/21/2012 03:16 AM

Japanese public service announcement on Fukushima-

First sign of severe radiation poisoning...your mind is convinced everything is OK...

Japan is a dead island... the living and people that want to live left or are already dead.

Pacific ocean and pacific ocean fish...feed dead people or people that want to die. Just like the Gulf...

Japanese DOOM is in and continues forever..

I never ever wrote that "Everything is OK"!

When Japan is dead your Home will be dead too,
both is not the case!

Inform yourself about the Fish before you write
that the Pacific is dead!

And now please start to read!

Godzilla will be coming for you shortly...

He eats radioactive fish from ocean beside Fukushima..

He grows big and strong.

He breathes radioactive air from Fukushima..

He comes to Fukushima and Tokyo to kill everyone that isn't dead already..

Japan is dead...they are lying to you...

You must be a ghost.. of Fukushima..

Pacific ocean death near Japan/Fukushima

They lie..you died already...cover yourself with dirt..now..

And don't eat the seafood from Japan ...or Chernobyl..

Math 101...

Chernobyl...1 fucked ractor...big lie told...

Japan 3 fucked reactors...bigger lies told...

3 is > (greater than) 1

or for the radioactive tards...3 Xs more radioactivity and dead people and fallout and poison seafood and air and crop growing dirt...and rain water

You die now long time or shortly ....

People like you need to read what has happened
in Chernobyl,
Wikipedia is in your case
(uneducatet in Nuclear Technology)
a good start and included many sources,
the scenario was as different as the Soviet Union
is different from Japan.

Both are Countries but 100% different!

In Chernobyl the whole Core exploded and burned for 10 days,
in F'Shima Hydrogen exploded
and the Core is molten
but still inside the last Barrier/ Contaiment!

Just check the Sources, i cant offer you more!

Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 03/21/2012 06:26 AM

Hey, OP, you disgusting little shill, there's some real info about how wonderful Fukishima is:

[link to enenews.com]


You are not ashamed of yourself, are you? Possibly even proud, eh? One word: excrement!

Where is the relationship to Chernobyl?

This are just many Article about F'Shima,
when Chernobyl happened we had one once a Week!!!

You little Donotknow!

Shill! Fukushima caused the death of over 15000 babies in the us already. They can tell this br infant mortality rates before and after the meltdowns. God will punish you for shilling for the nuclear industry. Pure evil! We don't need one nuclear plant!

Please read what i wrote,
that we don't need Nuclear Plants is exactly what i thought and think,
wrote and still write!

We cant handle Nuclear Energy at the moment
and it is too dangerous for all of us,
no matter where we are living!

Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 03/28/2012 10:53 AM

I'm not sure where you got those numbers from, but YES there were workers who dies days later at FUKU and Yes there were workers who suffered severe/acute radiation sickness.. 3 out of 5 babies has birth defects right now in the Fukushima/Tokyo area.

TEPCO and the Japanese government covered this up at all costs.. From day 1 until now, they've remained intent on saying that there were never any risks to peoples health except for MAYBE in a 10 mile radius.. Even evacuees who left fukushima and relocated themselves in Yonezawa died from acute radiation poisoning..

Your research is crap, to the point where it seems that you're just shilling for TEPCO.

Last Edited by Slick Vick on 08/17/2012 08:10 AM