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Anonymous Coward User ID: 7367792 Sweden 03/19/2012 05:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | According to some other figures, nearly 1 million died because of thernobyl.. And if you can't even get a fair number on that accident, what makes you think there is anything near a fair number on this accident ? |
Atom-Boy
(OP) User ID: 11279027 Japan 03/19/2012 05:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nice set of propaganda you got there Atom-boy.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7367792 According to some other figures, nearly 1 million died because of thernobyl.. And if you can't even get a fair number on that accident, what makes you think there is anything near a fair number on this accident ? That you cant get real Data from the Soviet Union and later "former Soviet Union" is not a big Surprise for me, the Ukraine and the Belarus are not free Countries! But Japan is not like the Ukraine, not like Belarus and not like the Soviet Union! Of course i have doubt also in the Japanese Data but roughly they are right, they are running in broad Outline with the Simulations and other Mathematic Models of independent Organizations! Look, even Greenpeace is really quit! And i never said that we will see no Death in Japan, Guys please read it instead of jumping from one Headline to the next, i expect 200.000 cases of Cancer because of F'Shima a Year with the result of 4.000 Deaths for the next 300 Years! Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 03/19/2012 05:38 AM G.Y.!B.E. |
Brunhilda
User ID: 1431957 United States 03/19/2012 05:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You act as if Fukushima has been contained, it has not and will not be for years. The core of one reactor has melted through the floor of the containment unit and the floor of the room the containment unit was in. I was under the impression this was prevented when Chernobyl was encased in concrete. In Japan there are spent rods in Unit 4 sitting in a pool of water that is exposed to the atmosphere and the environment. The Japanese are concerned the wall of the pool may give way and start leaking with the next earthquake. They plan to submerge a unit in the pool of water transfer the rods to the unit and then with a crane move that into a stable pool of water. They estimate this will be completed in December 2013 Sure the initial accidents were different but the fact we are not equipped to deal with the aftermath either one is the what makes the similar |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7367792 Sweden 03/19/2012 05:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nice set of propaganda you got there Atom-boy.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7367792 According to some other figures, nearly 1 million died because of thernobyl.. And if you can't even get a fair number on that accident, what makes you think there is anything near a fair number on this accident ? That you cant get real Data from the Soviet Union and later "former Soviet Union" is not a big Surprise for me, the Ukraine and the Belarus are not free Countries! But Japan is not like the Ukraine, not like Belarus and not like the Soviet Union! Of course i have doubt also in the Japanese Data but roughly they are right, they are running in broad Outline with the Simulations and other Mathematic Models of independent Organizations! Look, even Greenpeace is really quit! And i never said that we will see no Death in Japan, Guys please read it instead of jumping from one Headline to the next, i expect 200.000 cases of Cancer because of F'Shima a Year with the result of 4.000 Deaths! But this accident was worse.. the surrounding areas have more habitants than tjernobyl.. At Tjernobyl, they were quicker to build containment.. I would rather compare tjernobyl to fukushima, then the other way around |
Atom-Boy
(OP) User ID: 11279027 Japan 03/19/2012 05:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You act as if Fukushima has been contained, it has not and will not be for years. The core of one reactor has melted through the floor of the containment unit and the floor of the room the containment unit was in. I was under the impression this was prevented when Chernobyl was encased in concrete. Quoting: Brunhilda In Japan there are spent rods in Unit 4 sitting in a pool of water that is exposed to the atmosphere and the environment. The Japanese are concerned the wall of the pool may give way and start leaking with the next earthquake. They plan to submerge a unit in the pool of water transfer the rods to the unit and then with a crane move that into a stable pool of water. They estimate this will be completed in December 2013 Sure the initial accidents were different but the fact we are not equipped to deal with the aftermath either one is the what makes the similar Where you get your Data from? I really want to know this! No Core is molten "through Floors" and no SFP was exposed to the Air (without Water) the US expected this in the first Days as you can read in the Report from the US but later they realized that they have been wrong! Pool Nr. 3 is already cleaned up and they are working on Pool Nr. 4 in the last Week and this one, they plan to finish this Work in 2013 but maybe even earlier! (Check Roadmap) The Pool itself is more stable than before the Quake of 03/11, all the Threads here (from Citizenmoerp) was baseless Rumors and pure Fearmongering! Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 03/19/2012 05:55 AM G.Y.!B.E. |
Atom-Boy
(OP) User ID: 11279027 Japan 03/19/2012 06:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But this accident was worse.. the surrounding areas have more habitants than tjernobyl.. At Tjernobyl, they were quicker to build containment.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7367792 I would rather compare tjernobyl to fukushima, then the other way around When you said/ wrote: "The Potential was worse" i would implicit agree with you, no doubt, until now we are more than lucky that we got a new Chance to end the stupidity of Nuclear Energy! But to end this we can't relied on wrong Data, Lies and Distraction! Alone in this Discussion here we can see how ill-informed so many People are and the so called "Alternative Media" as well as Tepco and the J-Government is responsible for that! Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 03/19/2012 06:03 AM G.Y.!B.E. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1473577 Slovenia 03/19/2012 06:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP is a pathetic shill. I'm quite certain this excuse for a human being feels no shame in what he is doing. YUCK! Fortunately, some people are decent enough to try informing people about the real situation: [link to www.infiniteunknown.net] OP - go fuck yourself! |
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Atom-Boy
(OP) User ID: 11279027 Japan 03/19/2012 06:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP is a pathetic shill. I'm quite certain this excuse for a human being feels no shame in what he is doing. YUCK! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1473577 Fortunately, some people are decent enough to try informing people about the real situation: [link to www.infiniteunknown.net] OP - go fuck yourself! Busby? Snake-Oil Busby? You failed deeply, you degenerated Conglomerate of genetic Shit! Edit: Just check an Article called "Post-Fukushima Anti-Radiation Pills condemned by Scientist" cant post or link the Article because of the Copyright Policy! Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 03/19/2012 06:30 AM G.Y.!B.E. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2427876 Turkey 03/19/2012 06:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nice set of propaganda you got there Atom-boy.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7367792 According to some other figures, nearly 1 million died because of thernobyl.. And if you can't even get a fair number on that accident, what makes you think there is anything near a fair number on this accident ? That you cant get real Data from the Soviet Union and later "former Soviet Union" is not a big Surprise for me, the Ukraine and the Belarus are not free Countries! But Japan is not like the Ukraine, not like Belarus and not like the Soviet Union! Of course i have doubt also in the Japanese Data but roughly they are right, they are running in broad Outline with the Simulations and other Mathematic Models of independent Organizations! Look, even Greenpeace is really quit! And i never said that we will see no Death in Japan, Guys please read it instead of jumping from one Headline to the next, i expect 200.000 cases of Cancer because of F'Shima a Year with the result of 4.000 Deaths for the next 300 Years! 200 thousand cases of cancer per year for the next 300 years will result in much more than your predicted 4 thousand deaths! How's about adding a few more zeros? Thats just plain moronic! |
Atom-Boy
(OP) User ID: 11279027 Japan 03/19/2012 06:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wrote that i expect 4.000 Death a Year for the next 300 Years! i expect 200.000 cases of Cancer because of F'Shima a Year with the result of 4.000 Deaths (a Year) for the next 300 Years! It was a little bit difficult to read! Thyroid Cancer for example is treatable with high Chances of Success! (93%) [link to en.wikipedia.org] Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 03/19/2012 06:38 AM G.Y.!B.E. |
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Atom-Boy
(OP) User ID: 11279027 Japan 03/19/2012 06:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am more concerned about how it will hold up to another EQ and/or tsunami. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2427876 Since the big one we has had already more than 5.000 Quakes above Mag. 4,5 in that area, many Times a few- just seconds behind each other, we also had afir 6 massive ones above Mag. 6! When you, as well as the other People here read: [link to www.tepco.co.jp] they would understand what's really Matters! The Cooling get better every day and the SFP is more stable than ever, but i am concerned too and will not sleep well until the Pool is empty! Chernobyl is also not Off, many People here really think that the Sarcophagus is working, this People need to wake up! The Chances for a new Disaster, or even a Catastrophe like we saw 1986 is very high, until the World provide 1.000.000.000 Euro for a new Sarcophagus, the Ukraine cant pay this alone and Russia don't want to help! Please research this! [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 03/19/2012 06:57 AM G.Y.!B.E. |
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mael
User ID: 12686955 Japan 03/19/2012 07:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You act as if Fukushima has been contained, it has not and will not be for years. The core of one reactor has melted through the floor of the containment unit and the floor of the room the containment unit was in. I was under the impression this was prevented when Chernobyl was encased in concrete. Quoting: Brunhilda In Japan there are spent rods in Unit 4 sitting in a pool of water that is exposed to the atmosphere and the environment. The Japanese are concerned the wall of the pool may give way and start leaking with the next earthquake. They plan to submerge a unit in the pool of water transfer the rods to the unit and then with a crane move that into a stable pool of water. They estimate this will be completed in December 2013 Sure the initial accidents were different but the fact we are not equipped to deal with the aftermath either one is the what makes the similar Where you get your Data from? I really want to know this! No Core is molten "through Floors" and no SFP was exposed to the Air (without Water) the US expected this in the first Days as you can read in the Report from the US but later they realized that they have been wrong! Pool Nr. 3 is already cleaned up and they are working on Pool Nr. 4 in the last Week and this one, they plan to finish this Work in 2013 but maybe even earlier! (Check Roadmap) The Pool itself is more stable than before the Quake of 03/11, all the Threads here (from Citizenmoerp) was baseless Rumors and pure Fearmongering! (thinking out loud about your perfcormance, AB):- Ha ha ha haaaa ------- (then) ----------- Oh Geezus, he's serious! ... He really believes what he is saying or he is really trying hard to pretend that he actually believes it. A lot of people are like AB here. They don't want to know and even if they were told the truth on the manipulated media they would adapt their ears and mind so it doesn't sink in. One more wobble might be all that is needed to demolish the creaking, rusty and cracked stumps of the reactors up there and then what is AB going to whine about against those concerned? Oh no! This is Chernobyl on steroids. Money manages the media accounts and the politicians. This disaster is very useful to conscience-less drones working for the money-men. The old are quietly being culled even faster than before... so no pension for them! Babies aren't being born because parents often decide it is too risky in the light of possible problems arising from being radioactively contaminated. The ID-challenged army on Skid Row in Downtown cities are being thinned and eradicated and at the same time they are being used for photo-ops dressed in (useless) radiation suits after being bused from their underpasses on their one-way trip to Fukushima. The politicians are making a mint out of Fukushima. Now they'll hike taxes to pay for TEPCO's mistakes and oversights and this money will trickle down through all those OB networks so all the bigwigs get a slice of the pile of cash. This is slow-motion death for Japan - it needn't have been this way, but for whatever reasons, ruining the entire country and possible the whole planet was seen as being more advantageous to those pulling the strings. If the radioactively contaminated area had been evacuated shortly after the radiation started pouring out then there might have been a chance for a future of Japan. TEPCO refused to build an underground dam to help prevent radioactive isotopes from reaching the sea - but plans were scrapped because it would have adversely affected TEPCO's share prices. ... meaning of course that money takes priority over people and the environment. Tens of millions will die or never survive gestation due to Fukushima. It makes you wonder why or how THEY think they can get away with all the bs and lies? It disturbs me to think the reason might be because they know enough people are invincibly naive or are applying stupidity with gusto and on cue so that whoever is aware of the real dangers is out on a limb and effectively prevented from getting sensible measures adopted to deal with the ongoing Fukushima disaster. Or maybe they know another event is going to come along and eclipse Fuku and after it people will have something even worse than Fukushima to worry about? ... The mind boggles (when I bother to think about it). |
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Atom-Boy
(OP) User ID: 11279027 Japan 03/19/2012 07:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you know Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12618566 i truly hope this is for real and fukushima is not a big deal after all i pray for this to be true every day my thoughts with Japan God Bless You So desu, i agree with you for 100% and say "thank you" for your Prayers! Of course i am not inside of Daiichi so they can tell me everything, but i still believe in the good and i will not change this for the sake of Doom! But again: "F'Shima is a big Deal" and it will be the reason for Death, Suffering, Pain and Loneliness! Chernobyl was a Catastrophe on a unimaginable Scale and F'Shima is a Disaster where we can see already a Silver Lining on the Horizon! G.Y.!B.E. |
Atom-Boy
(OP) User ID: 11279027 Japan 03/19/2012 07:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anonymous Coward 1211208 is a fuckin Troll Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 03/19/2012 07:51 AM G.Y.!B.E. |
mael
User ID: 12686955 Japan 03/19/2012 09:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you know Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12618566 i truly hope this is for real and fukushima is not a big deal after all i pray for this to be true every day my thoughts with Japan God Bless You So desu, i agree with you for 100% and say "thank you" for your Prayers! Of course i am not inside of Daiichi so they can tell me everything, but i still believe in the good and i will not change this for the sake of Doom! But again: "F'Shima is a big Deal" and it will be the reason for Death, Suffering, Pain and Loneliness! Chernobyl was a Catastrophe on a unimaginable Scale and F'Shima is a Disaster where we can see already a Silver Lining on the Horizon! You've got shares in thyroid surgery instruments? Good thinking! There are going to be entire new facilities to cope with the ballooning numberof people with problems relating to Fukushima, and you are someone who is thinking ahead? What silver lining? Those ridiculous cloth tents which are supposed to go over the remains of the reactors and save us all? That the melting corium is going to contained forever by guessing where it is and pointing a hose at it by robot? The reactors are far from stable and #5 & 6 are slowly but surely going out of control - hope they get the fuel out before that all gets melted into a pile like the other three. When the temperature goes up it's because the gauges have all broken. Maybe when another load of fuel spills out they'll say the instruments measuring radiation are out of order as well? The only sensible thing to do is to evacuate as soon as possible and to contain the radioactive refuse in Fukushima and save the rest of the country. ... I mean - anyone can stay where the radioactive fallout wafts in if they know the risks, but to tell people - and especially mothers and children that radiation from Fukushima poses no serious threat is criminal. No deaths from radiation? You mean it's just not broadcasted. Deaths are in the thousands and that's not counting those babies who are not being born. Radiation-related health problems tend to peak in adults after twenty years. With children it's much sooner - startiing in a year (now). In five years those kids exposed to radiation now will either be dead, dying or suffering from various cancers and they'll be wasting away. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1295673 United States 03/19/2012 09:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If this had happened before the internet you might say that the japanese propaganda would have been effective... As it is, it has taken more than nine months for people on this forum to begin to see through the lies and disinformation policy. That doesn't bode well for the rest of the sheep. GLPers usually very quickly see through the masqueraders and bullshit artists. If you don't believe me, look at the first few pages of the atom-bot thread. The posters are completely taken in by these professional psy-oppers, and that continued for a long time.. That should tell you how effective this campaign is and has been. The tide is turning against the atom-bot charade, finally... ~ bug |
Atom-Boy
(OP) User ID: 11279027 Japan 03/19/2012 09:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP are you trying to get a promotion from shill to super-shill, or are you going for a raise? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1515928 Do you get paid by the post or what??? Do you read the whole Thread or do you want to play? I just looked for a fact based Discussion and nothing else: "I am not going 100% conform with the following Article but a little bit i do because of the technical Facts!" sadly not many People are able to lead such Discussion anymore, the Title came from a Article written at: [link to www.newscientist.com] and not from me! So you need to call all the leading Magazines, scientific Papers, PEER-Reviewed Studies, Newspapers, Blogs and Reports a Fake/ Shill or Whatsoever, this is easy to do but difficult when you need to bring on some Facts! When you are an Adult or want to discuss than bring on your Sources, when you are not able to do so you should avoid this Thread! G.Y.!B.E. |
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(OP) User ID: 11279027 Japan 03/19/2012 09:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nobody has any idea ho wmany people diesd from Chernobyl. Some estimate millions, some hundreds of thousands... but don't expect the truth on that number from a science journal. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1230442 Of course there are only Estimations because we do not investigate each individual Death but we can look for the Release of Radioactive Material, we have the Data of Contaminations and we know how much Radiation in Average a Body can stand! I am going conform with 75.000-150.000 in the Time-frame of 1986 until 2011! The majority of Deaths happened in Greece, Turkey, Bulgaria, the Ukraine and Belorussia in the first 10-15 Years! Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 03/19/2012 09:34 AM G.Y.!B.E. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1295673 United States 03/19/2012 09:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I see that only the very gullible still take you at your word... It is merely a matter of time until these tactics fail. The physics of meltdown will out you eventually. But you already know that. You are merely postponing the inevitable. ~ |