questioning dood User ID: 12626027 South Africa 03/16/2012 04:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Serious question for Christians. What's the deal with "rebeliousness" Hi
I'm not a Christian but I have no issues with those that are adherents of one religion or another. What I am is curious about people and what makes them tick. But I don't want to bore you with a whole lot of "all about me". What I am after is the deal with Christian people and "rebelliousness".
I see "rebelliousness" is spoken of a lot here on GLP as if it is the ultimate sin. And I have heard Christians that I know talk about it like that too. Now, as I say I am not a Christian myself so I don't consider myself an expert at all but I just don't remember ever encountering "Thou shalt not be rebellious" in the bible.
Am I wrong? Is it in there?
Or is it a derivative, implied commandment perhaps? Like "honor your mother and your father" essentially means don't be rebellious? Or something like that?
I'm kinda keen to see the real biblical origins of the "don't be rebellious" thing - if someone will be so kind?
And then. If you'll indulge me a little further, please. I'd also like to know where rebelliousness ends and defying unjust authority starts. Because, if I am not mistaken, Jesus himself often defied authorities. Didn't he? So it MUST be okay to stand up against authority and say "no" if they are wrong? Sometimes? So where is the line? Personally I wouldn't have a question if the thing was just not to rebel against God. But it is clear to me from what Christian folks are saying that you must not be rebellious in general. So then what? Just listen and obey to all figures of authority? Even when those figures are wrong? Even when they are evil? Even when they are putting money-changers in the temple?
And what happens if, what is required to reinstate justice is precisely rebellion: an uprising of the serfs and peasants to overthrow the masters and the overseers? That's pretty much by definition, "rebellion". Is that wrong?
What if the serfs and peasants are good christian folk under the heel of godless and wicked masters and overseers who will not permit you to observe your faith? Rebellion okay then?
I am asking a question out of honest curiosity and I ask respectfully. I am purposefully pushing the boundaries, not to hurt or to insult but really... to understand what those boundaries are and what they mean to you. I hope a christian that knows his/ her bible and is willing to speak to this will answer my questions.
Oh, finally. I am not here to be converted or anything... just to understand your worldview a little better. If you can help me understand then that would be appreciated.
If nothing else, thank you for taking the time to read my question. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 12626027 South Africa 03/16/2012 04:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for Christians. What's the deal with "rebeliousness" No one? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 12626027 South Africa 03/16/2012 04:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for Christians. What's the deal with "rebeliousness" Still no one?
This is SUCH a commonly held proposition in christian circles... surely someone on here can explain it? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1194370 United States 03/16/2012 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for Christians. What's the deal with "rebeliousness"
Hello OP, IMHO, rebellious would be going against the council of God. You sighted the example of; 'Honor your Father and Mother'. Being rebellious would be a child which refuses to show their Father of Mother honor. As one example. God Bless. peace, |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1194370 United States 03/16/2012 04:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for Christians. What's the deal with "rebeliousness" Regarding authority. We are instructed to follow after the laws of men, if/when they are in accord with The will of God.
But there are scriptural examples where people of faith do go against the laws of the land (Ex. Moses was hidden as an infant to prevent him from being killed when Pharaoh ordered all newborn Hebrew boys to be killed) to do what is right in their heart and through faith in God.
IMHO. HTH.
God Bless.
peace, |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 992437 Canada 03/16/2012 05:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for Christians. What's the deal with "rebeliousness" "For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king." - I Samuel 15:23.
Then go to blueletterbible dot org and type in the keyword rebellion or rebellious. There are a great many references to it being a sin and something God does not want to be in us. |
questioning dood User ID: 12658440 South Africa 03/17/2012 05:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for Christians. What's the deal with "rebeliousness"
A big thank you to both 1194370 and 992437 for your replies. I especially appreciate the reference to blueletterbible. That's a pretty useful reference site. From there I can see the issue of rebelliousness is very much scriptural and I can understand that my Christian friends should have issues with it. Thanks again. Peace QD |
xxx User ID: 12400243 Mexico 03/17/2012 06:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for Christians. What's the deal with "rebeliousness" rebelliousness for the desire of freedom has always been considered bad by those who wield the reigns of power.
why should the divine impulse wish us to not have freedom?
that thing that would have us worship it as "god" is aa beast, not god.
FREEDOM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1263100 Singapore 03/17/2012 06:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Serious question for Christians. What's the deal with "rebeliousness" 1 Samuel) 15:[22] And Samuel said: Doth the Lord desire holocausts and victims, and not rather that the voice of the Lord should be obeyed? For obedience is better than sacrifices: and to hearken rather than to offer the fat of rams.
[23] Because it is like the sin of witchcraft, to rebel: and like the crime of idolatry, to refuse to obey. Forasmuch therefore as thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, the Lord hath also rejected thee from being king. |