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Did J.P. Morgan Build the Titanic to Kill Off the Competition and Form the Federal Reserve? The Coincidences Are Amazing.

 
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In 1898 a man named Morgan Robertson penned a book titled "Wreck of the Titan" about a luxury liner deemed unsinkable that was going too fast in the North Atlantic in April and hit and iceberg killing most everyone on board due to lack of lifeboats.

14 years later this fictional book would play out in real life exactly down to the name, with the wreck of the Titanic; but this time it would have major political implications. Some of the wealthiest men in the world were on that ship and some were opposed to the Federal Reserve and central banks.

FACT: JP Morgan funded/built the Titanic
FACT: JP Morgan was booked on the voyage but canceled at the last second.
FACT: Friend of JP Morgan, Milton Hersey, also canceled at the last moment and survived to build the Hersey food empire.
FACT: There were no red flares on board to signal to any boats for rescue. Only white flares that signal a party and that everything is okay.
FACT: It was the first ship of its kind with the ability to seal decks electromagnetically which could also seal people below deck.
FACT: The Captain Edward Smith was one of the most decorated Captains of his time and would have been totally out of character by avoiding precautions.
FACT: The author of the book was poisoned to death a couple years after the Titanic sank.
FACT: The Federal Reserve was formed the very next year.
FACT: The Astor Family was one of the richest families in the world and John Astor III opposed the Federal Reserve.

Did JP Morgan get the idea of how to kill off the opposition to the Federal Reserve from a book written 14 years prior? This was a book titled "The Titan" published 14 years before the Titanic sank and look at the similarities.

Did they hatch a plan at Jekyll Island to build a ship to eliminate the competition?

Similarities to the Titanic

Although the novel was written before the Olympic-class Titanic had even been designed, there are some remarkable similarities between the fictional and real-life counterparts. Like the Titanic, the fictional ship sank in April in the North Atlantic, and there were not enough lifeboats for the passengers. There are also similarities between the size (800 ft long for Titan versus 882 ft 9 in long for the Titanic), speed (25 knots for Titan, 21 knots for Titanic) and life-saving equipment.

Beyond the name, the similarities between the Titanic and the fictional Titan include:

Described as "unsinkable"
The Titanic was the world's largest luxury liner (882 feet, displacing 63,000 long tons), and was once described as being practically "unsinkable".
The Titan was the largest craft afloat and the greatest of the works of men (800 feet, displacing 75,000 tons), and was considered "unsinkable".

Shortage of lifeboats
The Titanic carried only 16 lifeboats, plus 4 Engelhardt folding lifeboats,less than half the number required for her passenger capacity of 3000.
The Titan carried "as few as the law allowed", 24 lifeboats, less than half needed for her 3000 capacity.

Struck an iceberg
Moving too fast at 22½ knots,the Titanic struck an iceberg on the starboard side on the night of April 14, 1912 in the North Atlantic 400 miles away from Newfoundland.
Also on an April night, in the North Atlantic 400 miles from Newfoundland (Terranova), the Titan hit an iceberg while traveling at 25 knots, also on the starboard side.

Sinking
The unsinkable Titanic sank, and more than half of her 2200 passengers died.
The indestructible Titan also sank, more than half of her 2500 passengers drowning.
Went down bow first, the Titan actually capsizing before it sank.
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I doubt there were any second additions on that one. I guess they left that up to the titanic.
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Nah, too complicated.
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Nah, too complicated.
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Actaully terribly simple...

Build a ship, deem it unsinkable, invite all your opposition on, sink it, end of story...

To fight these people in public would have been much more complicated.
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Oh here is some info on the Book.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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JEKYLL ISLAND...

Dark, cigar smoke filled room... Long rectangle table with a bunch of old guys sitting around with drinks.

"OK men, now we have the numbers logistics worked out for our new central bank, what's the next step?"

"Well, we're going to have to deal with Astor and his friends. There is no way they are going to let us do this without a long fight"

"Hey... I have an idea. I have been reading this book called The Wreck of the Titan..."
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Benjamin Guggenheim was also on the ship. Him and astor were 2 of the richest men in the world at the time along with JP morgan...cannot recall corectly but it was either guggenheim or astor who was funding Nicola tesla...tesla has perfected wirless electricity and 100% electric motors which would cripple jp morgans oil intrest amongst other...take out the competition and stay on top is what jp morgan accomplished...
The chasm between what were told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely enormous...
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Re: Did J.P. Morgan Build the Titanic to Kill Off the Competition and Form the Federal Reserve? The Coincidences Are Amazing.
In 1898 a man named Morgan Robertson penned a book titled "Wreck of the Titan" about a luxury liner deemed unsinkable that was going too fast in the North Atlantic in April and hit and iceberg killing most everyone on board due to lack of lifeboats.

14 years later this fictional book would play out in real life exactly down to the name, with the wreck of the Titanic; but this time it would have major political implications. Some of the wealthiest men in the world were on that ship and some were opposed to the Federal Reserve and central banks.

FACT: JP Morgan funded/built the Titanic
FACT: JP Morgan was booked on the voyage but canceled at the last second.
FACT: Friend of JP Morgan, Milton Hersey, also canceled at the last moment and survived to build the Hersey food empire.
FACT: There were no red flares on board to signal to any boats for rescue. Only white flares that signal a party and that everything is okay.
FACT: It was the first ship of its kind with the ability to seal decks electromagnetically which could also seal people below deck.
FACT: The Captain Edward Smith was one of the most decorated Captains of his time and would have been totally out of character by avoiding precautions.
FACT: The author of the book was poisoned to death a couple years after the Titanic sank.
FACT: The Federal Reserve was formed the very next year.
FACT: The Astor Family was one of the richest families in the world and John Astor III opposed the Federal Reserve.

Did JP Morgan get the idea of how to kill off the opposition to the Federal Reserve from a book written 14 years prior? This was a book titled "The Titan" published 14 years before the Titanic sank and look at the similarities.

Did they hatch a plan at Jekyll Island to build a ship to eliminate the competition?

Similarities to the Titanic

Although the novel was written before the Olympic-class Titanic had even been designed, there are some remarkable similarities between the fictional and real-life counterparts. Like the Titanic, the fictional ship sank in April in the North Atlantic, and there were not enough lifeboats for the passengers. There are also similarities between the size (800 ft long for Titan versus 882 ft 9 in long for the Titanic), speed (25 knots for Titan, 21 knots for Titanic) and life-saving equipment.

Beyond the name, the similarities between the Titanic and the fictional Titan include:

Described as "unsinkable"
The Titanic was the world's largest luxury liner (882 feet, displacing 63,000 long tons), and was once described as being practically "unsinkable".
The Titan was the largest craft afloat and the greatest of the works of men (800 feet, displacing 75,000 tons), and was considered "unsinkable".

Shortage of lifeboats
The Titanic carried only 16 lifeboats, plus 4 Engelhardt folding lifeboats,less than half the number required for her passenger capacity of 3000.
The Titan carried "as few as the law allowed", 24 lifeboats, less than half needed for her 3000 capacity.

Struck an iceberg
Moving too fast at 22½ knots,the Titanic struck an iceberg on the starboard side on the night of April 14, 1912 in the North Atlantic 400 miles away from Newfoundland.
Also on an April night, in the North Atlantic 400 miles from Newfoundland (Terranova), the Titan hit an iceberg while traveling at 25 knots, also on the starboard side.

Sinking
The unsinkable Titanic sank, and more than half of her 2200 passengers died.
The indestructible Titan also sank, more than half of her 2500 passengers drowning.
Went down bow first, the Titan actually capsizing before it sank.
 Quoting: LUCUS



Good for you, someone figured it out.. Now lets get the press to take a peak..
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Nah, too complicated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11934176


Actaully terribly simple...

Build a ship, deem it unsinkable, invite all your opposition on, sink it, end of story...

To fight these people in public would have been much more complicated.
 Quoting: LUCUS


it was an accident yeah yeah ohyeah
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Benjamin Guggenheim was also on the ship. Him and astor were 2 of the richest men in the world at the time along with JP morgan...cannot recall corectly but it was either guggenheim or astor who was funding Nicola tesla...tesla has perfected wirless electricity and 100% electric motors which would cripple jp morgans oil intrest amongst other...take out the competition and stay on top is what jp morgan accomplished...
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Yes and JP Morgan was working with Rockefeller. They knew that Tesla's ideas make them far less money.
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JEKYLL ISLAND...

Dark, cigar smoke filled room... Long rectangle table with a bunch of old guys sitting around with drinks.

"OK men, now we have the numbers logistics worked out for our new central bank, what's the next step?"

"Well, we're going to have to deal with Astor and his friends. There is no way they are going to let us do this without a long fight"

"Hey... I have an idea. I have been reading this book called The Wreck of the Titan..."
 Quoting: LUCUS


you got it
And the watertight bulkheads didnt go clear to the top
and the ships iron was contaminated with sulphur
made it brittle below 40F
Government is a body largely ungoverned.
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very interesting, thanks
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Ok.
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I mean really... what are the odds that the guy who funded the ship would back out of the maiden voyage at the last minute?

Really?

And then have that guy go on to be instrumental in building the world's largest banking cartel?

Seriously?
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The coincidences ARE amazing.
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OP, you're exactly on target. This is EXACTLY what happened.

The Titanic sank on April 15.

There is a reason why you pay your taxes on April 15.

[link to www.history.com]

It is a huge JP Morgan celebration -- now a huge Goldman-Sachs celebration on April 15: the annual day of sacking the empire anew.


Guggenheim and Astor were SHOCKED, I tell you, SHOCKED! He was heard to shout, "That damn Morgan has killed us!"

[link to www.historyonthenet.com]
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Some people also reported hearing an explosion but that was dismissed as being "boilers" blowing up.

The body of John Jacob Astor III was found floating face down heavily mutilated. They said a smoke stack had "probably" fallen on him.
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Sounds like a plausible conspiracy theory to me.
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Didn't have TV back then, so the next best thing, maybe.
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Seen some of this before...Yep the Coincidences are truly amazing...
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Could have killed Astor before and just said he died in the wreck.

These wealthy people back then were very careful about where they went and who fixed their food, body guards, ect. Getting them out on a ship was a done deal.
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I really do think they did this and they took the idea right from that book.

Maybe one of them read the book on the train ride to Jekyll Island.
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Could have killed Astor before and just said he died in the wreck.

These wealthy people back then were very careful about where they went and who fixed their food, body guards, ect. Getting them out on a ship was a done deal.
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Yes exactly why the term "unsinkable" made everyone feel better and more secure.
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I believe this is great research and I think this is quite possibly what did happen

amazing
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J.P. Morgan DIED in 1913......Was it payback???
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and claim insurance on it.
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I wonder where JP Morgan is today?
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and claim insurance on it.
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LOL Larry Silverstein's Grandfather
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I wonder where JP Morgan is today?
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