Breaking the chains of the past - facing & healing toxic conditioning & false belief systems

but... how about the belief that ones attention/expectations/beliefs manifest the physical "reality". Is the manifestation then truth? Is the principle behind the manifestation truth?

If it was reproducible and persistent in the empirical sense.

I am breaking a chain. I believe that the use of greed based attitude stems from money and the need to be rewarded directly for your work done. I have experienced a spiritual awakening in which I believe I have recieved Gods permission to build the solution to this problem. I am starting the Kingdom of God.

In the Kingdom of God people will work for free, and all of their needs for living will be provided for free by the Kingdom of God. There is strict rules of entry and only the people who 'overcome', as it is talked about in the bible, will enter it. To over come you need to understand that life doesn't need to be this way. We simply need land and teamwork to live. We don't need financial wealth and expensive toys.

There is a 2000 year old prophecy in the bible about the Kingdom of God. This is what I will build.

Read your bible, as only those in the Kingdom of God who follow the prophets and walk with Jesus as their King, will survive Gods wrath in the period known as tribulations.

Good luck.

Yes, but trade is facilitated by currency. The inflationary tact and price fixing are something people have to actively engage or the system will confer erroneous entitlement. Much like if a community does not check the dominant male he will individually trump all comers and take undue resources.

Until you can use your "beliefs" to stop the Sun from rotating or something that actually alters reality and not just your perception of it, it's just a delusion. The whole manifesting your own reality is just bullshit for confused people, they tell you that you can create your own reality, well no shit. You can do anything you want to, as long as you're aware of the consequences and accept them. You don't create reality, you are part of reality, part of the universe. Anything else is just a delusion, you can't control reality and reality can't control you. You always have free will, the ability to choose and decide. So until you can sit there and shoot fireballs out of your hands because you believe you can, it's not true.

Pharista Luv,

I think it's both going to end soon enough.

Those who will be happy living in the Light will and Those who will be happy living in the dark will.

I can only hope to be a kernel of wheat.

Best Wishes,

Frater

Always be suspicious of an OP with a single eye for a avatar.

Seen ENOUGH of that Illuminati symbolism.

Well, actually there has been some evidence of the observer effect in science, you know, along with the well known placebo effect. But to date, yes, not empirically reproducible, although it is a FUN belief to choose and experiment with.

History always repeats itself until Divine Intervention comes in to play.

Can we change ourselves before some sort of intervention???

History is the ultimate answer to solving our future problems we face as humanity.

Hopefully we can do this, it all starts with the small things, the little circle we surround ourselves in, to reach to the bigger picture. A little love goes a long way.

Best thread I have seen on this forum.

Start with yourself.........absolutely great ideas for personal work. Kudos to the OP for this inspiration.

Exactly, don't expect someone else to come and save you, because only you can save yourself.

wow. so brainwashed. seek help. hide from your handlers.

Tell your handler to let go of your small cock and start thinking for yourself. The reason most people are so messed up is because they never deal or get over with their past personal experiences and end up reliving their past and letting their past taint their future and present.

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I believe it is in the best interest of everyone to study deviant personalities and learn to identify them.

Toxic Parents

Toxic Teachers

Toxic Religious Leaders

Toxic Government

Megalomaniacs

Psychopaths

Malignants

Sociopaths

Folks need to face the reality thay they are under attack by malicious factions of creatures who think/behave/operate
primarily out of the Reptilian area of their brain (the core or stem).

They are incapable of higher level reasoning functions, however they can mimic and mime them convincingly.

There is No Known Treatment for this disorder.

They have no morals, no ethics, no empathy, they will poison, destroy, devestate, pollute, corrupt, anything, anywhere, anytime. (They actually enjoy doing this)

Statistics show a single Psychopath is able to produce up to 100 times the devestation on a family, a society, a company, or a culture.

Using Statistics it is known that 80% of a problem is caused by 20% of the population. (80/20 rule)

In the case of one of the disorders indicated above the statistic is more likened to (95/5).

These personality types usually are higher intelligence than the average person, but they are likened to a "Moral Imbecile".

High level malignants identify these personality types and cultivate them using "Darwinian Selection" techniques in order to advance their insatiable Need to Control Others.

detox your emotional reactions to this short video clip:

The scientific method of determining truth is a good place to start. You allow open discussion and presentation an idea posited to be true, together with demonstration of the falsity of said idea. Honest men allowed such discourse will eventually discover truth.

It is readily seen that in the USSA of today the scientific exposition of truth is not allowed. Dishonest men control scientific discourse.

Hi AC here is a link to Alice Miller's website/forum. Alice Miller has passed away now, but her great work of recovery from child abuse continues.

[link to www.alice-miller.com]

Here is a link to a forum which focuses on the Toltec teachings in 'The Four Agreements'. I have no idea if you can get a pdf of either of these books anywhere but it may be possible to get cheaper used copies via Amazon perhaps.

[link to www.toltecspirit.com]

for others who are interested, here is an overview of the four agreements:-

The Four Agreements are:

1. Be Impeccable with your Word: Speak with integrity. Say only what you mean. Avoid using the Word to speak against yourself or to gossip about others. Use the power of your Word in the direction of truth and love.

2. Don’t Take Anything Personally
Nothing others do is because of you. What others say and do is a projection of their own reality, their own dream. When you are immune to the opinions and actions of others, you won’t be the victim of needless suffering.

3. Don’t Make Assumptions
Find the courage to ask questions and to express what you really want. Communicate with others as clearly as you can to avoid misunderstandings, sadness and drama. With just this one agreement, you can completely transform your life.

4. Always Do Your Best
Your best is going to change from moment to moment; it will be different when you are healthy as opposed to sick. Under any circumstance, simply do your best, and you will avoid self-judgment, self-abuse, and regret.

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If only I had this thread 7 years ago life would have been a lot easier. Some of those points mentioned here are some true wisdoms I learned the hard way. Some of the points I just finished learning, I guess I had to learn for myself. Excellent post, I don't often say that...

However you'll find doing those things will change your life, it may not seem like for the better at first but you'll understand later that it was. You *will* lose friends because of this but only those people who weren't really your friends.

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Thanks for sharing your views av. I think I get where you are coming from - of course it isn't healthy to over analyse, over think or become obsessed with any one thing - recovery included. Words often fall short, especially on an internet forum (where the energy of the person is not right in front of you) when trying to convey meaning and intent behind them.

The purpose of this thread isn't to advocate over analysis of our neuroses and remain stuck in them. It is to encourage authentic self-reflection so that the awareness of the potential and possibility for change within an individual (who is ready to 'let go' of unhelpful self-beliefs and habits) becomes more apparent and from that a motivation for action follows.

Through the practice and accumulation of mindful awareness and a feeling of connection to what I would call Source, from my experience, it is at times possible to feel totally free from burden and neurosis, to really experience the self as a free eternal being.

To keep this awareness going as I go about my everyday life carrying out practical responsibilities and interacting with others is the tricky bit - and while my ultimate goal is to be able to maintain constant awareness, my current experience is that awareness can slip away and a deeply ingrained false belief or learned behaviour can kick in. I respect that it is your experience or belief that it is possible to 'do it once, do in now completely', but my belief and experiences are that it takes time and continued effort to clear a lifetime (if not lifetimes) of false conditioning and toxic learned behaviours.

Words are all we have to share on an internet forum and each person will come to the words of another with their own views and perceptions. Ultimately though, it is our own individual personal practice in our daily lives that will show what works and what doesn't, what is real to the individual or of no use to them.

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Sorry to hear you went through that AC. It is amazing (or not perhaps when taking into account what their influences were) how many parents from recent generations have taught by showing their children what not to do.

It is interesting also how siblings given the same treatment can turn out completely differently. My older half bro and I had the same emotional rejection and verbal abuse from our mother but my bro became an emotional abuser himself (though he is now in active recovery), I went the other way and became a doormat albeit one who vowed never to treat my children as she treated hers.

Years later when I had my own kids, it is true I have never treated them as my mother treated me or my bro but what did become clear to me, once I started to actively heal the personal wounds I had buried, was that in certain areas I had been over protecting my children and over compensating for what I had been through. I made some big adjustments which I continue to tweek on a daily basis.

It is a great achievement that you have broken that chain of physical violence but it is worth checking, does any un-addressed pain or anger you feel from your childhood unconsciously affect some of your current ways of parenting your own children that doesn't necessarily manifest as physical violence?

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Thank you for reading and sharing SearchingJones.

I know quite a few folk who were raised Roman Catholic and survived the guilt and shame they felt from that indoctrination and now like you, have a more personal and authentic relationship with God/Creator. I also know some who have continued along the path taught to them and who unconsciously (some consciously) project fear, guilt and shame onto those around them - I guess because that is what they are experiencing inside of themselves.

Your signature is truth to me. I see you practice Ho'opo ono - it is a beautiful prayer/meditation to practice.

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Thank you Don Q, I am glad this topic resonates with you. I am far from transcending the human condition but I do feel like I have made some headway over the years in re-discovering my core wounds and my commitment and efforts to healing them. I used to be adept at burying them, but they kept on erupting via the poor unconscious choices I repeatedly made in my life.

I find It is a continuous flow of 'what is' and it comes in layers but rather than being fearful of what I come across (as I was in the past) I now find myself observing what comes up and learning to embrace it just as it is - this approach really does seem to open a gateway into healing whatever it is that manifests itself.

I read through your experiences, I am so sorry you went through this at the hands of crazy sociopathic doctors and others. No wonder this harrowing experience still has some of it's hooks in you today, I have no idea how one would go about recovering from such deep psychological torture. It is a blessing you survived it and I hope you continue moving forward until not a single barb from any of those hooks remain.


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I just saw this post of yours, thank you Plasmare for your kind words. I wish I had had a thread like this 7 years ago too. I guess that is what motivated me to start it - to give back in some way to some folk here who may be currently seeking a way out of the dark place similar to the one I was in back then. It's not that anyone can heal another - it's more like saying 'I've been there too, you aren't alone and you can empower yourself and find whatever tools you need to heal from this and lead a more authentic life'. Recovery from subjugation of the spirit is a huge task and some company along the way makes the journey much easier.

I remember the fear I felt when I first stood up to toxic folk around me - that goes for some of the systems too i.e. local education (my child was being bullied and it was being denied and swept under the carpet of 'that doesn't happen in this school'). Now I see it as a lot of hot air (on their part) under the bridge and I went on to learn what cages I needed to rattle and what skills to teach my child in order to put a stop to it. i've let loose quite a few folk I used to call 'friends' and 'family' and a few years down the line, I can honestly say I do not miss those toxic behaviours or manipulations sucking away at my energy - it also left room to invite some more authentic and like-minded folk into my life - what a contrast, they actually help to motivate and inspire me!.

I have become more forgiving over time too but as with everything, that seems to be an ongoing process too.

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Thank you for sharing your experiences AC - you are right it is a deep deep rabbit hole, that is why coming across like minds is good companionship for the journey, even though each one's rabbit hole is unique to them.

I remember feeling truly alone in the world too - I think now it was perhaps my realisation that my childhood needs for love, acceptance, nurture and guidance were not met when they should have been and that they never would be. That's when I realised I had to heal the wounds I carried and the pain of the loss of 'what should have been'. Paradoxically, once I truly embraced being alone, I didn't feel lonely at all anymore - I felt more complete in myself and able to recognise also that many others suffered in similar ways to me, that I was not singled out by a vengeful God for punishment for being 'faulty'. I also managed to get to a place of acceptance for my abusers too - I came to understand why they had become that way due to their past conditionings, like everything forgiveness seems to have many many layers though!

John Bradshaw is one of the pioneers of this kind of recovery, I read his book 'Healing the Shame that Binds You' a few years back and I found the cross-generational maps to be so helpful - they helped me to see that the toxic dysfunction went way way back in my family on both sides. I was then able to stop berating myself and say 'look at the toxic weight riding on your shoulders, give yourself a break, it's going to take a bit of time to address!'. I will add this book to the recommended reading list, thanks for the reminder.

My experience was similar to yours, I couldn't fully heal until I got back to the root causes of my issues. I got there many times over the years and just observed those septic and painful core wounds before quickly distracting myself again. It took quite a few serious life lessons to get me to the point of actually opening up the wound and to start the process of cleaning it out and giving it the attention it needed to heal. The wound feels like more of a scar these days, it still twinges and certain circumstances cause it to ache.

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>>Here is a link to a forum which focuses on the Toltec teachings in 'The Four Agreements'. I have no idea if you can get a pdf of either of these books anywhere but it may be possible to get cheaper used copies via Amazon perhaps.

[link to www.toltecspirit.com] <<

thanks for that, and I just realised that your signature is where I found the NAGAL.pdf that I read last week. Ive since been searching for the other chapters of these writings with no luck.

these Toltec teachings really seem to be the direction I should take so thanks again.

problem I have seems to be that I dont have as much shadow as I should. I havnt locked away stuff most people do, I know theres a shadow to deal with but mine is quite different from the norm I think.

Lots of work to be done here. thanks for pointing that out LOL

I just realised that your signature is where I found the NAGAL.pdf that I read last week. Ive since been searching for the other chapters of these writings with no luck.


Great to hear that link has been useful to you, I too have searched the web for more chapters of the writings but haven't found them. There was one website where you could pay for some of the chapters, I will see if I can find it again and post it here.

problem I have seems to be that I dont have as much shadow as I should. I havnt locked away stuff most people do, I know theres a shadow to deal with but mine is quite different from the norm I think.


I can identify with this too, I was in Jungian analysis for almost 3 years and not nearly as much 'shadow' emerged as I thought, there was a lot of repressed rage and grief but once on the otherside of that I kept waiting for more serious shadow stuff to burst out of my psyche. There was some stuff in dreams and I continue to pay attention to their content.

Either the shadow is so unconscious we aren't seeing it (even in dreams) or as I suspect, there is an innate original nature of peace and unconditional love in the soul and once some of us return to that place, and keep returning there when we lose awareness, then the gross aspects of the shadow are no more. My own jury is out on this one but it's a very interesting topic to discuss, thanks for bringing this up.

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What do you mean by that statement.

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Phew Dionysian Fullaflatus, I am a simple brained person but I think I can intuit the meaning of what you have shared.

Open organic dialogue and intra-personal assessment are likely the first, best steps dependent on the character of the goal.

This I understand and agree that self-reflection and situational reflection as well as authentic exchange with ourselves and others is essential before positive change can take place on any level.

Thanks for sharing.

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Thank you ac i'm glad you are enjoying the topics here.

Thats a beautiful image AC, I love your train of thought/feeling. It is incredible to imagine how the internet would manifest if all the beings utilising it were operating from a place of authenticity and unconditional love