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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1276958 United States 01/22/2012 06:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It seems appropriate to comment a few things here, not necessarily related to the OP's personal experience. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1276958 First, it has been heavily propagandized in recent years that "everyone" should rally around a dying person and "be there" when they die. I do not believe that is what "everyone" desires. I personally do not want to have anyone anywhere around me when I die. I think it is a deeply personal experience. I don't want anyone to see my death, just as I wouldn't want them watching me take a dump. Basically, it's the same thing. I think watching someone die is virtually always traumatic for the people who actually care about the person and kind of voyeristic for people who don't. The idea that people actually "choose the time" of their death is another ridiculous and highly propagandaized idea which has absolutely NO BASIS IN FACT. I guess it's obvious that people would like to believe they "choose," when to go, it makes them feel more powerful, but they do not "choose," God chooses the time of your death. You have nothing to do with it. People, don't "wait" for people to show up, they don't "wait" for holidays, or birthdays, or weddings, or births, or whatever happy horseshit people like to sling around. They go when they are summoned to go. They don't hold on and you don't have to tell them to let go. Just complete hogwash and bullshit. You're telling them to "let go" is something the ridiculous death squad tells people to do in order to "empower" the watchers and give them a sense of control, and something to do besides staring and waiting. People used to die peacefully in hospitals. They used to die with I.V's in their arms, and trained, attentive, nursing care, and doctors on call. But, the government decided that that costs waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy to much money. So now everyone must go into a hospice and be dehydrated to death, or over medicated to death in the shortest time possible. That's the American way. And, in order to cut down on lawsuits, let's encourage everyone to be a willing participant in the euthenasia by sitting around and cheering on the "letting go" until the person "decides" it's time. It's just ludicrous. I just feel like this is more interesting, at least to me, than cat pictures posted repeatedly, athough THAT would be more typical of GLPers. |
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The Dude Jeff
User ID: 3639588 United States 01/22/2012 06:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My wife died this past July. She was diagnosed with cancer in the beginning of May. She was so young an beautiful. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6534117 I stayed with her in the hospice unit 3 days. She said goodbyes to everyone the first day. My daughter (from my first marriage) flew in the morning of the 3rd day and with her mother came to say goodbye. My wife hadn't spoken since the first day but she was able to open her eyes and smile at my daughter. After my daughter and her mother left, my wife's sister came to spell me. I went outside to get some fresh air. I was gone 5 minutes. I came back and down the hall could see my wife's sister talking on her cell, finish her call and walk back into the room. I took a couple more steps down the hall and I got a text message. It was from my wife's sister saying, "Come quick, she's going." I ran down the hall and into the room. My wife's sister was on her knees beside the bed. My wife was not breathing. Her sister said, "My husband called and I stepped out one second to tell him I'd call him later." I stood there in shock. After about two minutes my wife partially sat up in bed, said, "Yes, yes, I can see it over there. I'm going." She lay back down and said nothing more. It has been over 6 months and I am still lost. OP, I am sorry for your loss. Be strong friend If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already. Bob Marley “The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” THOMAS PAINE (1737-1809) Do not pray for an easy life, pray for the strength to endure a difficult one. Bruce Lee |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1480093 United States 01/22/2012 07:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm sorry for your loss, but I am glad you were there to be with him. Quoting: Ohio Leopard I lost my cat the day before Thanksgiving. The previous day, I had taken him to a vet school 3&1/2 hours away for them to do some stuff with him -- they needed to hold him in the hospital overnight. They called me at 5:15am to tell me that something went wrong and that his heart was failing. I was 3&1/2 hours away from him. I prayed and prayed and prayed that I would make it. I was terrified the vet would call me and tell me that he died while I was on my way to him. I made it. :-) The last thing he was conscious of was being on my shoulder -- where he belonged. I know a lot of people would say "he's just a cat", but he meant more to me than what most people do. I don't know what he was thinking there at the end, but I do know he knew I was there and holding him -- and I'm sure that God had him hold on until I made it. I lost my 15 year old friend a couple years ago and he comes to me in dreams on occasion - recently, this last week. He was ill, I took him to the vet, he wasn't getting better and then I brought him home. He died on the bed, where he was supposed to be with me and hubby right there with him. Animals are not children or kin, but they do indeed hold a special place in our hearts. I still miss Tig - greatest cat ever - always knew when I was in pain and did his cat magic to relieve it. I'll never forget him. :tiglet: :tigflo: Thank you for sharing this story and those pictures. I visited a pet loss grief counselor and she said she used to work with hospice patients. She said a lot of people in semi-comas would sort of wake up in their last hours, and talk to people in the room that only they could see -- typically dead relatives. I had heard of this before. What I had *not* heard of is what she told me next: sometimes, they would talk to long-dead pets. By what the dying person was saying, the family members in the room knew that they were speaking to a pet. I think if he can make it happen, Tig will be there for you when your time comes...just as Dr. Floyd will be there for me. :-) I saw my Granddad do this as well - sit up in bed and talk to dead kin, especially his brother he went to WWI with who didn't make it back. My great uncle is buried somewhere in France. After Tig passed for the next few weeks I'd feel the bed compress as he jumped on it. It was a heart breakingly lonely time for me - he'd been my buddy for years and was a friend to my son who passed in 2002. I still miss him, but the dreams are nice. I am the youngest in an old family where my grandparents were born in 1900 or earlier - spent my childhood going to one funeral or another. Lost my son, my sister when she was 18, all my grandparents, several cousins and have only one aunt left. Not to mention the friends that have passed - I only have one best friend from high school - RIP to Laura and Becky. Death is hard, but it makes the living stronger if we survive it. :meandsteven: |
rosie80
User ID: 8158242 United States 01/22/2012 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He had been in declining health for years, but went truly downward the last two months. He died from pneumonia. He hasn't been able to speak for about three or four days, and before that he had been very confused. A little while before he transitioned, his eyes popped open, he tried to sit up, and he started babbling something while staring at his vision on the ceiling, wearing a small grin on his face. He died 30 minutes later. It was an experience for me to watch him go, and I felt my mother around me when he went... she died two years ago, way too young. Anyway, I just wanted to share it with others here who are like-minded and are interested in deathbed visions and/or NDEs. I felt privileged to be there as he moved on. Quoting: Gratia Plena You went through the worst part before he passed being sick and all .. I am comforted with the fact you were able to see this .. I haven't been around anyone who I loved, who has passed in front of me, I always thought I would be too weak and upset so I steered clear .. you must be an extrememly strong person :) I passed out after I puked on myself, when my lil sister got her bone marrow aspirated, lol .. sooo I don't make a good hand holder! .. and I am very, truely sorry you are left without the ones you love here .. it is us that are left to hurt .. they are fine .. you know this .. And although I am agnostic/atheist .. only because I can not say there is a "god" .. but I have seen quite a few things .. Personal experience .. I have had swings of being sick lose upwards of 30lbs in a couple weeks .. at one point they were sure I was going to die .. taken lymphnodes looking for cancer .. and I was so sick and in pain, and my best friend who passed from a dirt bike accident away just kept materializing in front of me and talking me through the rough times .. and today I still think I was just delusional .. One more .. when I worked in the emergency room, I saw many people pass .. but my first, a man .. he came in flatlined .. shocked him a few times .. we continued pumping his chest as the dr. got a tube in lungs .. and it went on for a good twenty minutes the doctors pronounced him dead .. dimmed the lights and asked us to wash him up, I stood back and cried .. and a wisp of what looked similar to smoke lifted off his body and swung up through the panels of the ceiling .. I have had quite a few things like this happen .. I wonder why? Do you wonder? .. are you religious? .. just asking because I am far from and always wonder if maybe someone is trying to clue me in .. .... 22426221213 .... |
rosie80
User ID: 8158242 United States 01/22/2012 07:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My wife died this past July. She was diagnosed with cancer in the beginning of May. She was so young an beautiful. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6534117 I stayed with her in the hospice unit 3 days. She said goodbyes to everyone the first day. My daughter (from my first marriage) flew in the morning of the 3rd day and with her mother came to say goodbye. My wife hadn't spoken since the first day but she was able to open her eyes and smile at my daughter. After my daughter and her mother left, my wife's sister came to spell me. I went outside to get some fresh air. I was gone 5 minutes. I came back and down the hall could see my wife's sister talking on her cell, finish her call and walk back into the room. I took a couple more steps down the hall and I got a text message. It was from my wife's sister saying, "Come quick, she's going." I ran down the hall and into the room. My wife's sister was on her knees beside the bed. My wife was not breathing. Her sister said, "My husband called and I stepped out one second to tell him I'd call him later." I stood there in shock. After about two minutes my wife partially sat up in bed, said, "Yes, yes, I can see it over there. I'm going." She lay back down and said nothing more. It has been over 6 months and I am still lost. OP, I am sorry for your loss. .. wow .. .. so much love to you .. it is hard not to be lost when my best friend passed I was the same .. but you have to hear what she would be saying if she could see you not dealing with this well .. I know it sounds silly but when I am being a bitch I hear him laugh and say stop! .. or similar things .. To you and the OP .... 22426221213 .... |
Hope_Full
User ID: 1517024 United States 01/22/2012 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've also sat with several elderly friends at the moment of their passing, and it's an experience you won't forget, and an experience words can't really define. Years ago, I sat with a 101 year old friend during her last hours. She took turns talking with me, and her long-dead husband, who (according to her) was sitting on the other side of the bed. She saw a doorway open up in a wall, and said, "I never noticed that door there before, and I see people waiting for me..." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6534117 United States 01/22/2012 07:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you to Turtle, The Dude Jeff and rosie80 To Anonymous Coward 1276958 you may be right about people delaying dying. All I can tell you that my wife died in the only 10 seconds she was alone in 3 days. The hospice nurses told me that it is not unusual for people to pass in the brief times they are alone. |
Robot
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1276958 United States 01/22/2012 08:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It seems appropriate to comment a few things here, not necessarily related to the OP's personal experience. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1276958 First, it has been heavily propagandized in recent years that "everyone" should rally around a dying person and "be there" when they die. I do not believe that is what "everyone" desires. I personally do not want to have anyone anywhere around me when I die. I think it is a deeply personal experience. I don't want anyone to see my death, just as I wouldn't want them watching me take a dump. Basically, it's the same thing. I think watching someone die is virtually always traumatic for the people who actually care about the person and kind of voyeristic for people who don't. The idea that people actually "choose the time" of their death is another ridiculous and highly propagandaized idea which has absolutely NO BASIS IN FACT. I guess it's obvious that people would like to believe they "choose," when to go, it makes them feel more powerful, but they do not "choose," God chooses the time of your death. You have nothing to do with it. People, don't "wait" for people to show up, they don't "wait" for holidays, or birthdays, or weddings, or births, or whatever happy horseshit people like to sling around. They go when they are summoned to go. They don't hold on and you don't have to tell them to let go. Just complete hogwash and bullshit. You're telling them to "let go" is something the ridiculous death squad tells people to do in order to "empower" the watchers and give them a sense of control, and something to do besides staring and waiting. People used to die peacefully in hospitals. They used to die with I.V's in their arms, and trained, attentive, nursing care, and doctors on call. But, the government decided that that costs waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy to much money. So now everyone must go into a hospice and be dehydrated to death, or over medicated to death in the shortest time possible. That's the American way. And, in order to cut down on lawsuits, let's encourage everyone to be a willing participant in the euthenasia by sitting around and cheering on the "letting go" until the person "decides" it's time. It's just ludicrous. I just feel like this is more interesting, at least to me, than cat pictures posted repeatedly, athough THAT would be more typical of GLPers. Every time someone posts the obnoxious cat picture, I'm posting this again. |
IMAX
User ID: 7575953 Canada 01/22/2012 08:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | sorry for your loss...my grandmother died 2 years ago and she also saw her parents waiting for her on the other side. she was telling us to bring them in its rude to let them stand there. she died the next morning Imagine if there was no country Stop the Sabre Rattlings and Wars |
BlondeQT
User ID: 8269120 United States 01/22/2012 08:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It sounds like a good experience... apart from the loss of course Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1280484 it reminds me of my grandmother, when she died, after a sickbed like grandfather's, and when she outed her final breath, it was like something escaped her, almost visible, shooting straight up. It was a beautiful thing to witness, and a consolation for losing her. I just watched this and it was beautiful and profound. Thank you for posting it. This thread needs more cowbell! :cowbellgif: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1276958 United States 01/22/2012 08:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My wife died this past July. She was diagnosed with cancer in the beginning of May. She was so young an beautiful. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6534117 I stayed with her in the hospice unit 3 days. She said goodbyes to everyone the first day. My daughter (from my first marriage) flew in the morning of the 3rd day and with her mother came to say goodbye. My wife hadn't spoken since the first day but she was able to open her eyes and smile at my daughter. After my daughter and her mother left, my wife's sister came to spell me. I went outside to get some fresh air. I was gone 5 minutes. I came back and down the hall could see my wife's sister talking on her cell, finish her call and walk back into the room. I took a couple more steps down the hall and I got a text message. It was from my wife's sister saying, "Come quick, she's going." I ran down the hall and into the room. My wife's sister was on her knees beside the bed. My wife was not breathing. Her sister said, "My husband called and I stepped out one second to tell him I'd call him later." I stood there in shock. After about two minutes my wife partially sat up in bed, said, "Yes, yes, I can see it over there. I'm going." She lay back down and said nothing more. It has been over 6 months and I am still lost. OP, I am sorry for your loss. Be strong friend So now wait a minute. Let me get this right. You were walking down a hall and your sister in a law walked back into a room. Then after two steps you got a text message. The text message said, "Come quick, she's going." This message was typed, sent, and received, in the time it takes to take two steps. You read the message, presumably while still walking, and then at that point you started to run. But, alas, it was too late. She was gone. She was not breathing. She was dead. Then after two minutes of not breathing, your wife "sat up and said, "Yes, Yes, I can see it over there. I'm going." She then laid down and that was it. Yea. |
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Robot
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Robot
User ID: 6534117 United States 01/22/2012 08:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So now wait a minute. Let me get this right. You were walking down a hall and your sister in a law walked back into a room. Then after two steps you got a text message. The text message said, "Come quick, she's going." This message was typed, sent, and received, in the time it takes to take two steps. You read the message, presumably while still walking, and then at that point you started to run. But, alas, it was too late. She was gone. She was not breathing. She was dead. Then after two minutes of not breathing, your wife "sat up and said, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1276958 "Yes, Yes, I can see it over there. I'm going." She then laid down and that was it. Yea. Yes, the hallway in the hospice unit was very long. As I was walking back to the room I saw her with her cell phone and then she stepped back in the room. I took a few more steps and I got the message. Robot |
anonymous321
User ID: 9369218 United States 01/22/2012 08:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry for your loss, my grandfather died a few months ago. Weeks before he died he started seeing my deceased grandmother and started talking to her in french. He told us she would not speak to him she was mad at him. After she died he married an anna nicola smith wannabee and I'm glad she was mad at him it just proved to me that there is indeed something more and that she had been watching etc. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6269366 That's cute. My brother talked to my (his) mom as he laid in the hospital bed. Apparently she asked him what was wrong, and he replied, "Oh mom...just getting old." It was so typical of what they would have said to each other. He died a few hours later. He was 62. Mom died when she was 91. Last Edited by anonymous321 on 01/22/2012 08:43 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1276958 United States 01/22/2012 09:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So now wait a minute. Let me get this right. You were walking down a hall and your sister in a law walked back into a room. Then after two steps you got a text message. The text message said, "Come quick, she's going." This message was typed, sent, and received, in the time it takes to take two steps. You read the message, presumably while still walking, and then at that point you started to run. But, alas, it was too late. She was gone. She was not breathing. She was dead. Then after two minutes of not breathing, your wife "sat up and said, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1276958 "Yes, Yes, I can see it over there. I'm going." She then laid down and that was it. Yea. Yes, the hallway in the hospice unit was very long. As I was walking back to the room I saw her with her cell phone and then she stepped back in the room. I took a few more steps and I got the message. None of this is even remotely believable in any way. You clearly have never seen anyone die. |
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Robot
User ID: 6534117 United States 01/22/2012 09:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So now wait a minute. Let me get this right. You were walking down a hall and your sister in a law walked back into a room. Then after two steps you got a text message. The text message said, "Come quick, she's going." This message was typed, sent, and received, in the time it takes to take two steps. You read the message, presumably while still walking, and then at that point you started to run. But, alas, it was too late. She was gone. She was not breathing. She was dead. Then after two minutes of not breathing, your wife "sat up and said, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1276958 "Yes, Yes, I can see it over there. I'm going." She then laid down and that was it. Yea. Yes, the hallway in the hospice unit was very long. As I was walking back to the room I saw her with her cell phone and then she stepped back in the room. I took a few more steps and I got the message. None of this is even remotely believable in any way. You clearly have never seen anyone die. Well, it is true. What the hell do you know? Robot |