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Anonymous Coward User ID: 7063795 United States 01/11/2012 11:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe, very spiritual people do exist on earth (what christians call saints, hindus; mahatmas, or buddhists; boddhisatvas), but I don't believe they are organized outside of existing religious hierarchies. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099 I believe we are probably now in the first time in history (since radio and TV) where these people teachings can reach billions while they are alive, and where their knowledge and experience can be spread around the world in an accelerating fashion. I believe Illuminatis have nothing to do with this. I beleive it's just the Omega point manifesting a bit more. My understanding is that they have something to do with everything. My understanding is that you would be surprised at the level of consciousness they work within. Surprised is probably not the correct word. Are you saying they are organized? That they meet on the astral planes for example? They have a special technology to meet up. Its a technology |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1051099 Belgium 01/11/2012 11:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is only a need for individuals/organizations to secret information while there is a culture of censorship and bias of a very authoritarian nature. Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus Egyptian priests and mystery schools traditionally hid their teachings while they had nothing and no one to worry about. Why? Much the same reason that academics have created a culture and language to themselves. As have any professions that have an exclusionary policy to membership, meaning, you must hop their hoops to get accepted. it indulges control and the source from that which you glean the handpicked information. So it means the threat of a censorship isn't the only reason for secrecy. Could be control too. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 865798 United States 01/11/2012 11:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe, very spiritual people do exist on earth (what christians call saints, hindus; mahatmas, or buddhists; boddhisatvas), but I don't believe they are organized outside of existing religious hierarchies. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099 I believe we are probably now in the first time in history (since radio and TV) where these people teachings can reach billions while they are alive, and where their knowledge and experience can be spread around the world in an accelerating fashion. I believe Illuminatis have nothing to do with this. I beleive it's just the Omega point manifesting a bit more. My understanding is that they have something to do with everything. My understanding is that you would be surprised at the level of consciousness they work within. Surprised is probably not the correct word. Are you saying they are organized? That they meet on the astral planes for example? They have a spatial technology to meet up. Its a technology Fixed it for ya. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 865798 United States 01/11/2012 11:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is only a need for individuals/organizations to secret information while there is a culture of censorship and bias of a very authoritarian nature. Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus Egyptian priests and mystery schools traditionally hid their teachings while they had nothing and no one to worry about. Why? Much the same reason that academics have created a culture and language to themselves. As have any professions that have an exclusionary policy to membership, meaning, you must hop their hoops to get accepted. it indulges control and the source from that which you glean the handpicked information. So it means the threat of a censorship isn't the only reason for secrecy. Could be control too. Or caution. Don't want to give information to people that would abuse it, hurt others, or themselves with it. With great power, comes great responsibility. Fuck, our own politicians aren't even responsible enough with their power. Imagine some of the lowlifes in society... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8434559 Canada 01/11/2012 11:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whether there is a continuation of these organizations is a question for someone researching lineage. Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus But it's important since many people (even on this thread) claim to descend from them (the continuous Illuminati lineage). Now how convenient since we can't even prove the existence of this continuity. Whether they have been co-opted to create a culture of occlusion and control is a whole other question. Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus I don't believe "these" Illuminatis (worldwide control-freak secret socity) do exist. I see no proof of their existence. All "proof" of the Illuminati can be traced back to an individual action or that of another group of interest (secret order, politicians, bankers, industries, etc...) not one group called "Illuminati" Having not been tapped and gleaning my information from the knowledge of my religious and familial background; All I can say is that I always thought the Ideas people affixed to these organizations were common sense and extrapolated from the knowledge of history, philosophy and science. It didn't even occur to me until later in life that there was any big deal to it. The problem has been and always will be those who wish to dam the flow of information to create their own resevoirs. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1051099 Belgium 01/11/2012 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whether there is a continuation of these organizations is a question for someone researching lineage. Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus But it's important since many people (even on this thread) claim to descend from them (the continuous Illuminati lineage). Now how convenient since we can't even prove the existence of this continuity. Whether they have been co-opted to create a culture of occlusion and control is a whole other question. Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus I don't believe "these" Illuminatis (worldwide control-freak secret socity) do exist. I see no proof of their existence. All "proof" of the Illuminati can be traced back to an individual action or that of another group of interest (secret order, politicians, bankers, industries, etc...) not one group called "Illuminati" Having not been tapped and gleaning my information from the knowledge of my religious and familial background; All I can say is that I always thought the Ideas people affixed to these organizations were common sense and extrapolated from the knowledge of history, philosophy and science. It didn't even occur to me until later in life that there was any big deal to it. The problem has been and always will be those who wish to damn the flow of information to create their own resevoirs. I believe you are right. The Illuminati are an Idea. Like, the Ideal secret and mystical society. Many organizations do try to approach that Ideal, but it's still an Idea and it doesn't exist (yet?) IMHO |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8434559 Canada 01/11/2012 11:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe, very spiritual people do exist on earth (what christians call saints, hindus; mahatmas, or buddhists; boddhisatvas), but I don't believe they are organized outside of existing religious hierarchies. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099 I believe we are probably now in the first time in history (since radio and TV) where these people teachings can reach billions while they are alive, and where their knowledge and experience can be spread around the world in an accelerating fashion. I believe Illuminatis have nothing to do with this. I beleive it's just the Omega point manifesting a bit more. My understanding is that they have something to do with everything. My understanding is that you would be surprised at the level of consciousness they work within. Surprised is probably not the correct word. Are you saying they are organized? That they meet on the astral planes for example? They have a special technology to meet up. Its a technology Yes, we call it the internet. Here we exist as 2 dimensional typographic/Iconic representations of ourselves. But seriously, what do you mean, with some order of specificity. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8434559 Canada 01/11/2012 11:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099 Egyptian priests and mystery schools traditionally hid their teachings while they had nothing and no one to worry about. Why? Much the same reason that academics have created a culture and language to themselves. As have any professions that have an exclusionary policy to membership, meaning, you must hop their hoops to get accepted. it indulges control and the source from that which you glean the handpicked information. So it means the threat of a censorship isn't the only reason for secrecy. Could be control too. Or caution. Don't want to give information to people that would abuse it, hurt others, or themselves with it. With great power, comes great responsibility. Fuck, our own politicians aren't even responsible enough with their power. Imagine some of the lowlifes in society... But there we disagree, It was never to be that they had power, but capacity to serve. The failing was ours for believing freedom was a given. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 7063795 United States 01/11/2012 11:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: SickScent My understanding is that they have something to do with everything. My understanding is that you would be surprised at the level of consciousness they work within. Surprised is probably not the correct word. Are you saying they are organized? That they meet on the astral planes for example? They have a spatial technology to meet up. Its a technology Fixed it for ya. Were all Pythagorean propositionists ! and 47ths problemists of Euclid. =) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1051099 Belgium 01/11/2012 11:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really? It just chose a very generic yiddish name, knowing your interest in the Kabbalah and all. I believe it also means "doctor of the Talmud". I guess I'm was very lucky ;) I take it we're not talking about Billy Meyer? Doesn't start with a B... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1051099 Belgium 01/11/2012 11:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really? It just chose a very generic yiddish name, knowing your interest in the Kabbalah and all. I believe it also means "doctor of the Talmud". I guess I'm was very lucky ;) I take it we're not talking about Billy Meyer? Doesn't start with a B... Furthermore, how old would the guy be today? :) I like his pics, though. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 865798 United States 01/11/2012 11:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus Much the same reason that academics have created a culture and language to themselves. As have any professions that have an exclusionary policy to membership, meaning, you must hop their hoops to get accepted. it indulges control and the source from that which you glean the handpicked information. So it means the threat of a censorship isn't the only reason for secrecy. Could be control too. Or caution. Don't want to give information to people that would abuse it, hurt others, or themselves with it. With great power, comes great responsibility. Fuck, our own politicians aren't even responsible enough with their power. Imagine some of the lowlifes in society... But there we disagree, It was never to be that they had power, but capacity to serve. The failing was ours for believing freedom was a given. I think we have a gap in our communication. I'm trying to find it real quick. The failing comes from the politicians...my thought when I express this is per this immediate time, not the past creation of the concept to have 'politicians' serve the people. Ahh, I see now. You are stating it as a failure to foresee what problem would arise. I am stating that the failure comes from the people taking advantage of their positions. What a completely fascinating disconnect. On so many levels. I find that anything I try and say concerning this is disconnected from the reality of what you say. It is as if I am on the bottom, looking up, and the organizational structures in plain sight block my view before I am able to see YOU. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 865798 United States 01/11/2012 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really? It just chose a very generic yiddish name, knowing your interest in the Kabbalah and all. I believe it also means "doctor of the Talmud". I guess I'm was very lucky ;) I take it we're not talking about Billy Meyer? Doesn't start with a B... William Meyer? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8434559 Canada 01/11/2012 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099 So it means the threat of a censorship isn't the only reason for secrecy. Could be control too. Or caution. Don't want to give information to people that would abuse it, hurt others, or themselves with it. With great power, comes great responsibility. Fuck, our own politicians aren't even responsible enough with their power. Imagine some of the lowlifes in society... But there we disagree, It was never to be that they had power, but capacity to serve. The failing was ours for believing freedom was a given. I think we have a gap in our communication. I'm trying to find it real quick. The failing comes from the politicians...my thought when I express this is per this immediate time, not the past creation of the concept to have 'politicians' serve the people. Ahh, I see now. You are stating it as a failure to foresee what problem would arise. I am stating that the failure comes from the people taking advantage of their positions. What a completely fascinating disconnect. On so many levels. I find that anything I try and say concerning this is disconnected from the reality of what you say. It is as if I am on the bottom, looking up, and the organizational structures in plain sight block my view before I am able to see YOU. And that my friend is the essence of magic and control mechanisms at once. Hiding the apparent in plain sight. Psychology and the flow of time renders moot that which is just percieved to belong. It becomes a black box and a default mechanism, requiring no thought. Seeing it once again is learning to see once again. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7063795 United States 01/11/2012 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really? It just chose a very generic yiddish name, knowing your interest in the Kabbalah and all. I believe it also means "doctor of the Talmud". I guess I'm was very lucky ;) ? How did you do that? What chose? Yes/Ja, thats my family, from Germany. One of our Family Crests is Argo the Ship. And weve always been very religious. Some here know the histories of the dynasties and bloodlines. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 865798 United States 01/11/2012 11:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: SickScent Or caution. Don't want to give information to people that would abuse it, hurt others, or themselves with it. With great power, comes great responsibility. Fuck, our own politicians aren't even responsible enough with their power. Imagine some of the lowlifes in society... But there we disagree, It was never to be that they had power, but capacity to serve. The failing was ours for believing freedom was a given. I think we have a gap in our communication. I'm trying to find it real quick. The failing comes from the politicians...my thought when I express this is per this immediate time, not the past creation of the concept to have 'politicians' serve the people. Ahh, I see now. You are stating it as a failure to foresee what problem would arise. I am stating that the failure comes from the people taking advantage of their positions. What a completely fascinating disconnect. On so many levels. I find that anything I try and say concerning this is disconnected from the reality of what you say. It is as if I am on the bottom, looking up, and the organizational structures in plain sight block my view before I am able to see YOU. And that my friend is the essence of magic and control mechanisms at once. Hiding the apparent in plain sight. Psychology and the flow of time renders moot that which is just percieved to belong. It becomes a black box and a default mechanism, requiring no thought. Seeing it once again is learning to see once again. I love this shit, because I can somehow visualize these concepts in my mind. The above came with a feeling that I can put into a structured image, and SEE what the disconnect looks like! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 865798 United States 01/11/2012 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: SickScent Or caution. Don't want to give information to people that would abuse it, hurt others, or themselves with it. With great power, comes great responsibility. Fuck, our own politicians aren't even responsible enough with their power. Imagine some of the lowlifes in society... But there we disagree, It was never to be that they had power, but capacity to serve. The failing was ours for believing freedom was a given. I think we have a gap in our communication. I'm trying to find it real quick. The failing comes from the politicians...my thought when I express this is per this immediate time, not the past creation of the concept to have 'politicians' serve the people. Ahh, I see now. You are stating it as a failure to foresee what problem would arise. I am stating that the failure comes from the people taking advantage of their positions. What a completely fascinating disconnect. On so many levels. I find that anything I try and say concerning this is disconnected from the reality of what you say. It is as if I am on the bottom, looking up, and the organizational structures in plain sight block my view before I am able to see YOU. And that my friend is the essence of magic and control mechanisms at once. Hiding the apparent in plain sight. Psychology and the flow of time renders moot that which is just percieved to belong. It becomes a black box and a default mechanism, requiring no thought. Seeing it once again is learning to see once again. That...that is the point of disconnect that was invisible to me a minute before, and visible to me now. cool |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1051099 Belgium 01/11/2012 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really? It just chose a very generic yiddish name, knowing your interest in the Kabbalah and all. I believe it also means "doctor of the Talmud". I guess I'm was very lucky ;) ? How did you do that? What chose? Yes/Ja, thats my family, from Germany. One of our Family Crests is Argo the Ship. And weve always been very religious. Some here know the histories of the dynasties and bloodlines. Kidding ;) When you accept to become popular, you also accept to lose anonymity :p |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 865798 United States 01/11/2012 11:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's a McLuhanism to munch on: On the internet, We are discarnate. Everywhere and nowhere at once. It forces us to create a new paradigm and new paths to either an old comfortable world or a brave new one. Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus Yes. I once said that interacting through the internet like we do nowadays, we are able to converse thought to thought. And, places like GLP, we are not only doing it thought to thought, but thought to thought to thought to thought to thought all at a pace that in 'standard' history has never been done before. Not even close. The magnitude of being able to communicate at nearly light speed, our inner thoughts to others across the globe, is truly miraculous...and now we think of it as commonplace. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7063795 United States 01/11/2012 11:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Really? It just chose a very generic yiddish name, knowing your interest in the Kabbalah and all. I believe it also means "doctor of the Talmud". I guess I'm was very lucky ;) ? How did you do that? What chose? Yes/Ja, thats my family, from Germany. One of our Family Crests is Argo the Ship. And weve always been very religious. Some here know the histories of the dynasties and bloodlines. Kidding ;) When you accept to become popular, you also accept to lose anonymity :p Gosh, Not sure if Im ready for that, lol. Many of my birth natals predestined me for privacy and being protective of myself and my own. Of course if the times are changing then more of us can move forward into the public eye. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7063795 United States 01/11/2012 11:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's a McLuhanism to munch on: On the internet, We are discarnate. Everywhere and nowhere at once. It forces us to create a new paradigm and new paths to either an old comfortable world or a brave new one. Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus Brave New World Inter-NET to be the fisher of other men who want to create this new world. |