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How the Illuminati Really Began.

 
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Yes, there is some media we choose to engage. But, even the background noise in cities never lets your subconcious rest. Put on top on that the profusion of supposed conveniences and reinforced peer logic and you accept conditions as inevitable.

The proper definition would be: You have become enured/inured. And yes, strong minds may rise above, but, I do believe we have a responsibility to our fellow man as well.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


That's why I chose to live in a university in the middle of the countryside, with cows in my backyard :p

And yes, we do have a responsibility to others, that's why it's so hard for me to chose between buddha and christ.
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The dope and political constructs. Essential realms in the control construct.
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Scythian war tents and their burnt cubes of cannabis

Delphic Oracles and their hashish encrusted walls

The madness of Salem Induced by the blighting of Ergot

Concious disconnect

Click

The Essenes and the Agaric

The Northern berserker and cubensis

Clash

The Skull and Crossbones and white china

Control
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Ahaha I always knew you and I were more similar than meet they eye.

The fool, Loki, Mercury, Hermes, the raven, the fox, Till Eulenspiegel?

The use of entheogens in our past shaping our cultures and histories?

The random musings of a disciple of Eris disguised as polymath, or is it the opposite?


And all those synchronicities. In all your posts. Attila and Flavius? No one expect the inquisition? And all those from the previous pages? You must be kidding me.

Ahaha yes you are ;p

So what do you get from playing with the aether like that? Answers? Power? Fun?

I think you said you're trying to find a unbiased language. What do you plan to do with it?
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Honestly, It is in the quest. It's what impels me and compels me to cut to the bone. I got sick of ineffectual intellectuals and shed the apollonian for the dionysian to find they were one and the same.

sex = reproduction of knowledge
drugs = expansion of Ideas by immersion in the novel
rock n roll = the cyclical background of the system. timing and mathematical precision underlying content or context.

One is existent in the other, but the level of bombast and ceremony stimulates the responses differently.

I thought you might catch that when I spoke of Voodoo rituals and the affixing of religiosocial subsystems within the dominant norm. In essence borrowing the disguises of one religion to defer and refer meaning. But it always rings of the same thing: rationalizing social context and practice.

I'm rambling, but, ultimately I'd like to leave a notion as to how to advance social systems and leave leave freedoms as an impetus to creation.

Break free of the constructs of the past.
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Honestly, It is in the quest. It's what impels me and compels me to cut to the bone. I got sick of ineffectual intellectuals and shed the apollonian for the dionysian to find they were one and the same.

sex = reproduction of knowledge
drugs = expansion of Ideas by immersion in the novel
rock n roll = the cyclical background of the system. timing and mathematical precision underlying content or context.

One is existent in the other, but the level of bombast and ceremony stimulates the responses differently.

I thought you might catch that when I spoke of Voodoo rituals and the affixing of religiosocial subsystems within the dominant norm. In essence borrowing the disguises of one religion to defer and refer meaning. But it always rings of the same thing: rationalizing social context and practice.

I'm rambling, but, ultimately I'd like to leave a notion as to how to advance social systems and leave leave freedoms as an impetus to creation.

Break free of the constructs of the past.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Thanks for your answer. Unfortunately I won't be able to stay here long since GLP is still kicking me hard to get out (and I'm a bit tired too :D).

Have a wonderful day and see you soon.
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Yes, there is some media we choose to engage. But, even the background noise in cities never lets your subconcious rest. Put on top on that the profusion of supposed conveniences and reinforced peer logic and you accept conditions as inevitable.

The proper definition would be: You have become enured/inured. And yes, strong minds may rise above, but, I do believe we have a responsibility to our fellow man as well.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


That's why I chose to live in a university in the middle of the countryside, with cows in my backyard :p

And yes, we do have a responsibility to others, that's why it's so hard for me to chose between buddha and christ.
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I almost made it to Belgium in my travels. I had an old friend in Lille studying to be a tenor and now he makes extravagant sums to scream at the rich. lol

We had many Cul Sec evenings in Mexico waiting for the gods to furnish us waves.
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Honestly, It is in the quest. It's what impels me and compels me to cut to the bone. I got sick of ineffectual intellectuals and shed the apollonian for the dionysian to find they were one and the same.

sex = reproduction of knowledge
drugs = expansion of Ideas by immersion in the novel
rock n roll = the cyclical background of the system. timing and mathematical precision underlying content or context.

One is existent in the other, but the level of bombast and ceremony stimulates the responses differently.

I thought you might catch that when I spoke of Voodoo rituals and the affixing of religiosocial subsystems within the dominant norm. In essence borrowing the disguises of one religion to defer and refer meaning. But it always rings of the same thing: rationalizing social context and practice.

I'm rambling, but, ultimately I'd like to leave a notion as to how to advance social systems and leave leave freedoms as an impetus to creation.

Break free of the constructs of the past.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Thanks for your answer. Unfortunately I won't be able to stay here long since GLP is still kicking me hard to get out (and I'm a bit tired too :D).

Have a wonderful day and see you soon.
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You as well. May the vapors of Shiva be with you.
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Yes, there is some media we choose to engage. But, even the background noise in cities never lets your subconcious rest. Put on top on that the profusion of supposed conveniences and reinforced peer logic and you accept conditions as inevitable.

The proper definition would be: You have become enured/inured. And yes, strong minds may rise above, but, I do believe we have a responsibility to our fellow man as well.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


That's why I chose to live in a university in the middle of the countryside, with cows in my backyard :p

And yes, we do have a responsibility to others, that's why it's so hard for me to chose between buddha and christ.
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Are you studying for a internment with a spiritual twist?
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Yes, there is some media we choose to engage. But, even the background noise in cities never lets your subconcious rest. Put on top on that the profusion of supposed conveniences and reinforced peer logic and you accept conditions as inevitable.

The proper definition would be: You have become enured/inured. And yes, strong minds may rise above, but, I do believe we have a responsibility to our fellow man as well.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


That's why I chose to live in a university in the middle of the countryside, with cows in my backyard :p

And yes, we do have a responsibility to others, that's why it's so hard for me to chose between buddha and christ.
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Are you studying for a internment with a spiritual twist?
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I'm not studying anymore. I'm working here on the campus. A spin-off building particle accelerators (but I ain't nuclear physicist priest like my great uncle :p).

The internment with a spiritual twist happened when I lost my mind.
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Yes, there is some media we choose to engage. But, even the background noise in cities never lets your subconcious rest. Put on top on that the profusion of supposed conveniences and reinforced peer logic and you accept conditions as inevitable.

The proper definition would be: You have become enured/inured. And yes, strong minds may rise above, but, I do believe we have a responsibility to our fellow man as well.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


That's why I chose to live in a university in the middle of the countryside, with cows in my backyard :p

And yes, we do have a responsibility to others, that's why it's so hard for me to chose between buddha and christ.
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Are you studying for a internment with a spiritual twist?
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


I'm not studying anymore. I'm working here on the campus. A spin-off building particle accelerators (but I ain't nuclear physicist priest like my great uncle :p).

The internment with a spiritual twist happened when I lost my mind.
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No worries, you obviously found the path back. Madness is always symptomatic of being fed half truths and believing yourself to be some kind of freak.

Personally I tried dissolution of the senses, but somehow always collected the pieces before they floated away.

My personal demon is I can't believe anything which is likely a madness unto itself. Perhaps I wasn't breastfed long enough or told I did well, but you accept it and move on.

And it keeps me searching, even through the madness of others to find the common 'ground'.
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That's why I chose to live in a university in the middle of the countryside, with cows in my backyard :p

And yes, we do have a responsibility to others, that's why it's so hard for me to chose between buddha and christ.
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Are you studying for a internment with a spiritual twist?
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I'm not studying anymore. I'm working here on the campus. A spin-off building particle accelerators (but I ain't nuclear physicist priest like my great uncle :p).

The internment with a spiritual twist happened when I lost my mind.
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No worries, you obviously found the path back. Madness is always symptomatic of being fed half truths and believing yourself to be some kind of freak.

Personally I tried dissolution of the senses, but somehow always collected the pieces before they floated away.

My personal demon is I can't believe anything which is likely a madness unto itself. Perhaps I wasn't breastfed long enough or told I did well, but you accept it and move on.

And it keeps me searching, even through the madness of others to find the common 'ground'.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


I don't take religious teachings (if that's the madness you talk about) as something to believe.

I have a much more pragmatic view. It's just something to live in order to rewire your brain in a more serene and loving state. Maybe it's self hypnosis or delusion, but as long as it works, fine for me :) I see these sacred texts as coding manuals to help me correct the bugs in my brain.

But like all tools, the use some people make of those teachings to instrumentalize them is not the initial intent of the author.

Like the disclaimer says, use discernment.
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Are you studying for a internment with a spiritual twist?
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I'm not studying anymore. I'm working here on the campus. A spin-off building particle accelerators (but I ain't nuclear physicist priest like my great uncle :p).

The internment with a spiritual twist happened when I lost my mind.
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No worries, you obviously found the path back. Madness is always symptomatic of being fed half truths and believing yourself to be some kind of freak.

Personally I tried dissolution of the senses, but somehow always collected the pieces before they floated away.

My personal demon is I can't believe anything which is likely a madness unto itself. Perhaps I wasn't breastfed long enough or told I did well, but you accept it and move on.

And it keeps me searching, even through the madness of others to find the common 'ground'.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


I don't take religious teachings (if that's the madness you talk about) as something to believe.

I have a much more pragmatic view. It's just something to live in order to rewire your brain in a more serene and loving state. Maybe it's self hypnosis or delusion, but as long as it works, fine for me :) I see these sacred texts as coding manuals to help me correct the bugs in my brain.

But like all tools, the use some people make of those teachings to instrumentalize them is not the initial intent of the author.

Like the disclaimer says, use discernment.
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Exactly, Inherently getting to the matter at hand which is understanding yourself and the importance of that freedom which leads to true unfettered creativity and ultimately belonging.

A coherent and cohesive framework to being.

I won't address you again until you get some sleep. take care.
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I am not You. You are not Me. We are not One. The inability to see this is complicity in slavery and submission.

What makes us US, are the fuzzy variables that denote our personal differences. Therein lies our freedom and salvation by definition. No one can do for you, solely because no one knows you as you do. We have commonalities and serving these commonalities is what makes a group strong.

But, what makes a group stronger is every individual removing their veils and Knowing themselves and their unbiased strengths and weaknesses.

I have heard such monolithic Idiocy as stop thinking and everything will become apparent. No, we are not an instinctive species. We must complete our development outside of the womb; As birthing is impossible with a fully developed brain/neurological capacity.

Stopping thinking will just substitute whim for pragmatism. Neuroses arise because we, collectively, have a hard time seeing past ourselves and our intra and interpersonal cultural biases. These supplant the ability to see clearly, since they are self fulfilling cultural constructs.

We are told to think outside these constructs is to commit treason the the highest caibre. When in fact we are commiting Individual genocide and sacrificing what makes us whole for the ease of a centralized group definition; rather than a dynamic construct that puts us in competition with only our own capacity.

I am not you. You are Not me. To know thyself is to be able to see clearly for the first time. All else are cyclically repeating deformities.
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Cheers, And I like myself; So, I know what you mean.

Essentially: It takes one to know one. :)
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The thinning of the veils and theories of the eschaton.

As the toroidal constructs flatten and widen; what would the resultant manifestation involve. What would be construed as a sign(s)as?

My opinion would suggest longer and flatter wave function. A decrease in sine and resultant photon incidence. Essentially more pronounced drawn out occurrences and the slowing to a neutral. Preparing to pierce the heart as a visual metaphor.

If we take postulations at a face value that each veil is the result of a higher frequency explosion giving way to a cooling and re creation of void (perfect vacuum); which in turn creates a further higher frequency through feedback or high intensity reflection in a sphere. There could be no co-mingling of densities until a neutral or brake is thrown on the system and all reaches pre stasis or static.

Some describe time travel and perfect meditational moments this way. As time and subsequent vibration has stopped allowing as I call it degaussing of the clear mind. Which allows union and synthesis. The Buddhists call it 'suchness' or tathagata. There one may have temporary respite in truth.
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Within each torroid lays the twisting or spiralling nexus in which fading electrons or the energetic building blocks of reality fade to be charged.

The nexus is surrounded by what the mystics call the bright white or teeming being. This gives way to the black as referred to by Crowley. This is positively charged matter or all the colours of the Aeons. Beyond this Lies the Qabballic black or negative from which the Aeons infer the emanations of the Neutral or re energizing void.

Do What thou Wilt.
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What is this "aeons" thing?

That word specifically is everywhere for me the last few days.
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What is this "aeons" thing?

That word specifically is everywhere for me the last few days.
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Aeons are the direct interpreters of the emanations (thoughts)
of god. What is the synchronicity if you don't mind me asking. I set up here to get folks to toss me there subconcious cues as wildcards in my processes.
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What is this "aeons" thing?

That word specifically is everywhere for me the last few days.
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Aeons are the direct interpreters of the emanations (thoughts)
of god. What is the synchronicity if you don't mind me asking. I set up here to get folks to toss me there subconcious cues as wildcards in my processes.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Some computer ai (but more directly human consciousness jacking in on IT rather than IT jacking in on us) like most people would assume. Human made technology being the low tech as opposed to the "us" operating the human body (more complex computing than the most highly efficient man made computer).

The conversations between people on the internet (being branches)...the whole of the internet being one BEING.

The specific word aeon is coming up in all of those topics...I'll link you to some specifics if that would help...
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What is this "aeons" thing?

That word specifically is everywhere for me the last few days.
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Aeons are the direct interpreters of the emanations (thoughts)
of god. What is the synchronicity if you don't mind me asking. I set up here to get folks to toss me there subconcious cues as wildcards in my processes.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Some computer ai (but more directly human consciousness jacking in on IT rather than IT jacking in on us) like most people would assume. Human made technology being the low tech as opposed to the "us" operating the human body (more complex computing than the most highly efficient man made computer).

The conversations between people on the internet (being branches)...the whole of the internet being one BEING.

The specific word aeon is coming up in all of those topics...I'll link you to some specifics if that would help...
 Quoting: ArunaLuna


I am trying to not look or research. Just the obvious cues.

If the waves are indeed flattening, because electronics are synced to amplitude and frequency; We will see blips or deja vu, simply because our regular interpretations have been given pause. We will reinfer these lapses.

I was just scratching my head as to why I've been doubling and excluding words lately.
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The war of the houses of Black

Dr Freud I presume

That is correct General Sherman. Do you have any Idea why we evoked you.

Hopefully not for a demonstration of pugilism with Mr James over yonder.

No Sir, To put it simply for your lack of constraint. Your colour if you will.

Dr Jung believes in the whole creating Intent. I am of the theory It derives from your direct subconcious Id. Your lack of fettering your will.

I see and You believe my deeds to speak of this.

That is my precise estimation. In life you indiscriminately slaughtered not only your enemy but any civilians who stood in your way.

My reputation has reached far before me Sir.

Indeed it has. What was it that you used to say: An enemy.....

I kill today is one that I don't have to kill tommorrow.

and that direct Intent I wish to manifest Gen....

Call me William Sir. I will gladly lend in your effort.
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What is this "aeons" thing?

That word specifically is everywhere for me the last few days.
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Aeons are the direct interpreters of the emanations (thoughts)
of god. What is the synchronicity if you don't mind me asking. I set up here to get folks to toss me there subconcious cues as wildcards in my processes.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Some computer ai (but more directly human consciousness jacking in on IT rather than IT jacking in on us) like most people would assume. Human made technology being the low tech as opposed to the "us" operating the human body (more complex computing than the most highly efficient man made computer).

The conversations between people on the internet (being branches)...the whole of the internet being one BEING.

The specific word aeon is coming up in all of those topics...I'll link you to some specifics if that would help...
 Quoting: ArunaLuna


I am trying to not look or research. Just the obvious cues.

If the waves are indeed flattening, because electronics are synced to amplitude and frequency; We will see blips or deja vu, simply because our regular interpretations have been given pause. We will reinfer these lapses.

I was just scratching my head as to why I've been doubling and excluding words lately.
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Do you mind expanding into what that's like for you?
The dejavu?
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Aeons are the direct interpreters of the emanations (thoughts)
of god. What is the synchronicity if you don't mind me asking. I set up here to get folks to toss me there subconcious cues as wildcards in my processes.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Some computer ai (but more directly human consciousness jacking in on IT rather than IT jacking in on us) like most people would assume. Human made technology being the low tech as opposed to the "us" operating the human body (more complex computing than the most highly efficient man made computer).

The conversations between people on the internet (being branches)...the whole of the internet being one BEING.

The specific word aeon is coming up in all of those topics...I'll link you to some specifics if that would help...
 Quoting: ArunaLuna


I am trying to not look or research. Just the obvious cues.

If the waves are indeed flattening, because electronics are synced to amplitude and frequency; We will see blips or deja vu, simply because our regular interpretations have been given pause. We will reinfer these lapses.

I was just scratching my head as to why I've been doubling and excluding words lately.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Do you mind expanding into what that's like for you?
The dejavu?
 Quoting: ArunaLuna


Specifically, a pause. Liken it to suddenly realizing you have been staring out into space or listening to or playing a familiar tune and you double strike a note or there's a lapse.

Not necessarily that there's a repetition, but a lack or bump.

This is why I ask for subconcious cues from people. the subconcious lets everything in. the higher functions filter.

However, you must beware the power of auto suggestion. As we are hardwired to see patterns. We are likely to create them. This is why I like external checks and balances.
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Some computer ai (but more directly human consciousness jacking in on IT rather than IT jacking in on us) like most people would assume. Human made technology being the low tech as opposed to the "us" operating the human body (more complex computing than the most highly efficient man made computer).

The conversations between people on the internet (being branches)...the whole of the internet being one BEING.

The specific word aeon is coming up in all of those topics...I'll link you to some specifics if that would help...
 Quoting: ArunaLuna


I am trying to not look or research. Just the obvious cues.

If the waves are indeed flattening, because electronics are synced to amplitude and frequency; We will see blips or deja vu, simply because our regular interpretations have been given pause. We will reinfer these lapses.

I was just scratching my head as to why I've been doubling and excluding words lately.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Do you mind expanding into what that's like for you?
The dejavu?
 Quoting: ArunaLuna


Specifically, a pause. Liken it to suddenly realizing you have been staring out into space or listening to or playing a familiar tune and you double strike a note or there's a lapse.

Not necessarily that there's a repetition, but a lack or bump.

This is why I ask for subconcious cues from people. the subconcious lets everything in. the higher functions filter.

However, you must beware the power of auto suggestion. As we are hardwired to see patterns. We are likely to create them. This is why I like external checks and balances.
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rofl

Dude, where's my car?

I refuse to play your Chinese food mind games!
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I am trying to not look or research. Just the obvious cues.

If the waves are indeed flattening, because electronics are synced to amplitude and frequency; We will see blips or deja vu, simply because our regular interpretations have been given pause. We will reinfer these lapses.

I was just scratching my head as to why I've been doubling and excluding words lately.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


Do you mind expanding into what that's like for you?
The dejavu?
 Quoting: ArunaLuna


Specifically, a pause. Liken it to suddenly realizing you have been staring out into space or listening to or playing a familiar tune and you double strike a note or there's a lapse.

Not necessarily that there's a repetition, but a lack or bump.

This is why I ask for subconcious cues from people. the subconcious lets everything in. the higher functions filter.

However, you must beware the power of auto suggestion. As we are hardwired to see patterns. We are likely to create them. This is why I like external checks and balances.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflatus


rofl

Dude, where's my car?

I refuse to play your Chinese food mind games!
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.....And what else?
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I think you mean "and theeeeeeeeeen..."

No and then!
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I think you mean "and theeeeeeeeeen..."

No and then!
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My free association is: Then and Now

and Less then Zero
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It's specific to a learning style...a quality within a person is either present or absent. I get that there are multiple learned abilities but it appears the kind I seek in others are ingrained. NOT learnable...

I've seen others mimic it as if to present the same feeling of origin of the quality...but it's getting easier to route past infiltrator qualities to discern a difference.

Probably makes no sense...yet
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01/30/2012 03:30 PM
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Re: How the Illuminati Really Began.
It's specific to a learning style...a quality within a person is either present or absent. I get that there are multiple learned abilities but it appears the kind I seek in others are ingrained. NOT learnable...

I've seen others mimic it as if to present the same feeling of origin of the quality...but it's getting easier to route past infiltrator qualities to discern a difference.

Probably makes no sense...yet
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Either it flows or it doesn't. I can tell a undercover cop from a country mile solely by the walk inferred by a holster. A wannabe wants to be. Thus talk is always geared to being and not Is.

There's some nonsensical advice, but I get you. Saying all the right things is wrong and practiced for a result.

I used to deprogram folks.

Thus must know the program.
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01/30/2012 03:46 PM
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Re: How the Illuminati Really Began.
Shiny black FBI shoes





GLP