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Dear atheists are always looking for proves for the existence of God, however they don’t have one that God does not exists.

I need brilliance atheists to answer my questions, and I’d be grateful for those who would reply to stick to the core of the subject and not argue about anything else.

1.What constitutes undeniable proof?

Atheists seek for proves and facts, religions or theisms run on faith and beliefs, and atheisms also BELIEFS that there is no god..
So tell me what is undeniable proof?
To come to you and knock your front door?

2.Is your trust in science based on faith or based on science?

Most atheists actually doesn’t know a lot about science but they are a good Parrots, aren’t they?
Theisms trust their holy books on what they believe, and Atheists trust scientists with PhDs to tell them what to believe..

But how many times have the scientists turned out to be wrong?
Aren’t you just as guilty as faith as any religious person, as you describe them ?

3.Is absence of proof the proof of absence?

This is belief is fundamental to the atheist, so you should answer by Yes to this question or you have a very hard time denying most.

Also you should see how absurd this statement is
The fact that it is always impossible to prove that something does not exist, does not change the fact that it cannot be known that something doesn’t exist.

4.When you attempt to use logic to conclude facts about religion, are you starting at the conclusion (God is not real), or are you starting at true premises? Be honest. If you are starting at true premises, then what are they? And how are they true? Think about the previous question when you answer..

This one has been a real problem for me when I listen to the majority of atheist arguments. They claim that they are the logical ones, and that absence of logic results in faith, but I watch them constantly do exactly what I’ve described in the question. How do you know any premise is true? Most people gloss over this fact by correctly observing the fact that no one really ever knows anything since this question can be applied to anything, up to and including your own very existence. But how does this fact change anything? You still don’t know whether any of your logical premises are true.

5.Do you believe in extra-terrestrials?


I want you to think long and hard about this. We have as little or less evidence that E.T. landed in Roswell than any evidence we have for the truth in any part of the Holy Book of Islam, Christianity and Torah.

If you are an atheist, I am going to require that you also do not believe in E.T. And if you acknowledge that E.T. has not been observed but is likely to exist, I demand that you also acknowledge that God has not been observed but is likely to exist.
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We need intelligent christians more than anything. But thats like asking for burning water.
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We need intelligent christians more than anything. But thats like asking for burning water.
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you can burn water, you just have to frack it first.
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1.What constitutes undeniable proof?

Basically, something that you'd have to be insane to deny the existence of, for example, the bloody ground!


2.Is your trust in science based on faith or based on science?


Why do people associate atheism with science all the time? Atheism is not based on science at all! It is simply not believing in a deity.


4.When you attempt to use logic to conclude facts about religion, are you starting at the conclusion (God is not real), or are you starting at true premises? Be honest. If you are starting at true premises, then what are they? And how are they true? Think about the previous question when you answer..


If you can not prove that something exists then it is more logical to not believe it.

Think of it this way, a man is being trialed for murder, there is no evidence to support the accusations, why would you believe he committed the crime in that case?

5.Do you believe in extra-terrestrials?

I think it is highly likely that they exist but there is no solid evidence to suggest that they do.
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There are gazzillions of Gods. Someday when you get your act together you to could be a supernatural being and start your own earthlike planet...if that is your thing.
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Oh, I forgot number three in my above post:

3.Is absence of proof the proof of absence?

Not necessarily but why should I believe that something exists if I have no reason to?
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I started out as a believer...studied from a point of faith. I do not believe in Aliens though not ruling out life in the universe besides us. God is an idea...and real in the minds of many people so that in one way makes it real. The only way to KNOW is to die so we will all eventually have the undeniable proof. The study of history and human nature lead me to believe man made god not the other way around. READ..The Evolution of God. Great book.
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1.What constitutes undeniable proof?

Basically, something that you'd have to be insane to deny the existence of, for example, the bloody ground!


2.Is your trust in science based on faith or based on science?


Why do people associate atheism with science all the time? Atheism is not based on science at all! It is simply not believing in a deity.


4.When you attempt to use logic to conclude facts about religion, are you starting at the conclusion (God is not real), or are you starting at true premises? Be honest. If you are starting at true premises, then what are they? And how are they true? Think about the previous question when you answer..


If you can not prove that something exists then it is more logical to not believe it.

Think of it this way, a man is being trialed for murder, there is no evidence to support the accusations, why would you believe he committed the crime in that case?

5.Do you believe in extra-terrestrials?

I think it is highly likely that they exist but there is no solid evidence to suggest that they do.
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This is a great summary.

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Science is all about searching for proofs. It discards theories which have proven to be in error.

Religions are static, they never grow because the are mired forever in what someone wrote hundreds or thousands of years ago.
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Oh, I forgot number three in my above post:

3.Is absence of proof the proof of absence?

Not necessarily but why should I believe that something exists if I have no reason to?
 Quoting: Stocking Eats Cake


Universe exists, Life exists and you exist. Every existence has a cause and reason.
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Oh, I forgot number three in my above post:

3.Is absence of proof the proof of absence?

Not necessarily but why should I believe that something exists if I have no reason to?
 Quoting: Stocking Eats Cake


Universe exists, Life exists and you exist. Every existence has a cause and reason.
 Quoting: Knowledge Power


Yes but I do not pretend to objectively know the causes and reasons.

I'm not saying you're pretending, I know that you think what you think is fact.

I'm just saying you can't expect atheists to come up with the causes and reasons behind the universe without any evidence confirming their theories.
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I started out as a believer...studied from a point of faith. I do not believe in Aliens though not ruling out life in the universe besides us. God is an idea...and real in the minds of many people so that in one way makes it real. The only way to KNOW is to die so we will all eventually have the undeniable proof. The study of history and human nature lead me to believe man made god not the other way around. READ..The Evolution of God. Great book.
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Thanks for the info's, i'll try to read it.

But

''man made god not the other way around''

and who made man?
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Oh, I forgot number three in my above post:

3.Is absence of proof the proof of absence?

Not necessarily but why should I believe that something exists if I have no reason to?
 Quoting: Stocking Eats Cake


Universe exists, Life exists and you exist. Every existence has a cause and reason.
 Quoting: Knowledge Power


Yes but I do not pretend to objectively know the causes and reasons.

I'm not saying you're pretending, I know that you think what you think is fact.

I'm just saying you can't expect atheists to come up with the causes and reasons behind the universe without any evidence confirming their theories.
 Quoting: Stocking Eats Cake


We have the facts and the evidences, but not coming up with reasons and causes by depending on fixed theories.

when you solve a mathematical problem with one rule, but you couldn't solve it. but you might solve it if you changed the rule.

in other words, the problem is not in the facts we know, its from the theories we follow.
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Oh, I forgot number three in my above post:

3.Is absence of proof the proof of absence?

Not necessarily but why should I believe that something exists if I have no reason to?
 Quoting: Stocking Eats Cake


Universe exists, Life exists and you exist. Every existence has a cause and reason.
 Quoting: Knowledge Power


Yes but I do not pretend to objectively know the causes and reasons.

I'm not saying you're pretending, I know that you think what you think is fact.

I'm just saying you can't expect atheists to come up with the causes and reasons behind the universe without any evidence confirming their theories.
 Quoting: Stocking Eats Cake


We have the facts and the evidences, but not coming up with reasons and causes by depending on fixed theories.

when you solve a mathematical problem with one rule, but you couldn't solve it. but you might solve it if you changed the rule.

in other words, the problem is not in the facts we know, its from the theories we follow.
 Quoting: Knowledge Power

I'm afraid faith does not equate to fact.
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The reason we have tried to make sense of the things we cannot answer is the main reason god exists. We are a curious animal, we have devleloped a brain that tries to comprehend things which we cannot. The drive in us to understand, to see whats over the next hill, to make sense of volcanoes, earthquakes, hurricanes, fire, illness, the stars, the sun, the moon, where we came from ect.ect. Demands the intervention of a higher power. I respect all people and their beliefs! Love to all!
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I challenge all you atheists to answer a single question.

What is the purpose of your existence?
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I challenge all you atheists to answer a single question.

What is the purpose of your existence?
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To serve your nation.
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I challenge all you atheists to answer a single question.

What is the purpose of your existence?
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The pursuit and advancement of knowledge in whichever subject is most meaningful and fulfilling to one's self. Music, literature, family, friends, community, science, even perhaps religion if I dare say so.

Unfortunately when pursuing religion all they do is tell you that your life's purpose is to be a slave to a tyrant.
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"How can we imagine a spiritual priciple waiting patiently in idleness during a whole eternity, in order to animate a mass of matter for a space of time, which compared with eternity is less than a moment? It is worse still, when I am told that God forms immortal souls out of nothing and then cruelly dooms them to an eternity of flames."

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I challenge all you atheists to answer a single question.

What is the purpose of your existence?
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To serve your nation.
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Take away God from the people, and they will replace it with something else. This is why totalitarian regimes always tried to destroy religion, so they can make themselves God. The Messiah is the great leader, paradise is the promised utopia.

This will happen again, as it did with communism, but this time on a global scale. The demoralised masses will serve their purpose well.
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I challenge all you atheists to answer a single question.

What is the purpose of your existence?
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To serve your nation.
 Quoting: Stocking Eats Cake

Take away God from the people, and they will replace it with something else. This is why totalitarian regimes always tried to destroy religion, so they can make themselves God. The Messiah is the great leader, paradise is the promised utopia.

This will happen again, as it did with communism, but this time on a global scale. The demoralised masses will serve their purpose well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1530543


The state is a far more relevant figure than a deity.
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OP routinely starts threads attacking atheists. every so often he thinks of a new angle and starts a new thread.


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1.What constitutes undeniable proof?

When and if he/it ever appappears in front of me.

2.Is your trust in science based on faith or based on science?

Good science should be provable. Same goes for any God.

3.Is absence of proof the proof of absence?

If proof is absent then there is no proof.


4.When you attempt to use logic to conclude facts about religion, are you starting at the conclusion (God is not real), or are you starting at true premises? Be honest. If you are starting at true premises, then what are they? And how are they true? Think about the previous question when you answer..

I start with the facts then draw a conclusion.

5.Do you believe in extra-terrestrials?


If and when I get to see one, Yes. So for the time being, no

 Quoting: Knowledge Power
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I challenge all you atheists to answer a single question.

What is the purpose of your existence?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5019129


To serve your nation.
 Quoting: Stocking Eats Cake

Take away God from the people, and they will replace it with something else. This is why totalitarian regimes always tried to destroy religion, so they can make themselves God. The Messiah is the great leader, paradise is the promised utopia.

This will happen again, as it did with communism, but this time on a global scale. The demoralised masses will serve their purpose well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1530543


The state is a far more relevant figure than a deity.
 Quoting: Stocking Eats Cake

The belief in a higher deity poses a great obstacle to totalitarian regimes. If people have unshakable moral values that they hold above anything else, they will not be persuaded to adopt whatever values the state advocates.
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To serve your nation.
 Quoting: Stocking Eats Cake

Take away God from the people, and they will replace it with something else. This is why totalitarian regimes always tried to destroy religion, so they can make themselves God. The Messiah is the great leader, paradise is the promised utopia.

This will happen again, as it did with communism, but this time on a global scale. The demoralised masses will serve their purpose well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1530543


The state is a far more relevant figure than a deity.
 Quoting: Stocking Eats Cake

The belief in a higher deity poses a great obstacle to totalitarian regimes. If people have unshakable moral values that they hold above anything else, they will not be persuaded to adopt whatever values the state advocates.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1530543

What is the major difference between the moral values a state upholds in comparison to the moral values a religion upholds?

The difference is that the state is far more relevant than God in the lives of people today.
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"Intelligent Atheists"

That is an oxymoron.
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"Intelligent Atheists"

That is an oxymoron.
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Is it that hard to have a discussion without one side making childish insults directed at the other?
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Take away God from the people, and they will replace it with something else. This is why totalitarian regimes always tried to destroy religion, so they can make themselves God. The Messiah is the great leader, paradise is the promised utopia.

This will happen again, as it did with communism, but this time on a global scale. The demoralised masses will serve their purpose well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1530543


The state is a far more relevant figure than a deity.
 Quoting: Stocking Eats Cake

The belief in a higher deity poses a great obstacle to totalitarian regimes. If people have unshakable moral values that they hold above anything else, they will not be persuaded to adopt whatever values the state advocates.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1530543

What is the major difference between the moral values a state upholds in comparison to the moral values a religion upholds?

The difference is that the state is far more relevant than God in the lives of people today.
 Quoting: Stocking Eats Cake

The moral values of a religion are like a rock. States and ideologies come and go, religious moral values do not.

If you still don't get my point, I give up. Go worship your state and do whatever they tell you.
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"How can we imagine a spiritual priciple waiting patiently in idleness during a whole eternity, in order to animate a mass of matter for a space of time, which compared with eternity is less than a moment? It is worse still, when I am told that God forms immortal souls out of nothing and then cruelly dooms them to an eternity of flames."

Voltaire
 Quoting: smokahontas


" Fix reason firmly in her seat. Call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God, for if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blind folded fear."

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Ok, I'll ask another question for atheists-

If there is no life after this one, then what stops you from behaviors such as Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Acedia, Wrath, Envy, Pride and Vainglory?

Why not succumb to your basic primal instincts and rape- pillage and steal?
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Ok, I'll ask another question for atheists-

If there is no life after this one, then what stops you from behaviors such as Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Acedia, Wrath, Envy, Pride and Vainglory?

Why not succumb to your basic primal instincts and rape- pillage and steal?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5019129


Because we don't need to fear of hell to behave morally.

Here's something to interest you:
Humanity is inherently good, we are a social creature and the sophisticated social structures we've created trump our more vicious and competitive sides.

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