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Stocking Eats Cake
User ID: 6314317 Ireland 12/01/2011 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1.What constitutes undeniable proof? Basically, something that you'd have to be insane to deny the existence of, for example, the bloody ground! 2.Is your trust in science based on faith or based on science? Why do people associate atheism with science all the time? Atheism is not based on science at all! It is simply not believing in a deity. 4.When you attempt to use logic to conclude facts about religion, are you starting at the conclusion (God is not real), or are you starting at true premises? Be honest. If you are starting at true premises, then what are they? And how are they true? Think about the previous question when you answer.. If you can not prove that something exists then it is more logical to not believe it. Think of it this way, a man is being trialed for murder, there is no evidence to support the accusations, why would you believe he committed the crime in that case? 5.Do you believe in extra-terrestrials? I think it is highly likely that they exist but there is no solid evidence to suggest that they do. Known to my many adoring fans as a Karmatard, Porno Addict, gypsy cunt, a corporate protector, an idiot, a shill, ignorant, foolish, racist, a cunt, an asshat and naive. |
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Stocking Eats Cake
User ID: 6314317 Ireland 12/01/2011 11:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 3.Is absence of proof the proof of absence? Not necessarily but why should I believe that something exists if I have no reason to? Known to my many adoring fans as a Karmatard, Porno Addict, gypsy cunt, a corporate protector, an idiot, a shill, ignorant, foolish, racist, a cunt, an asshat and naive. |
smokahontas
User ID: 6347236 United States 12/01/2011 11:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I started out as a believer...studied from a point of faith. I do not believe in Aliens though not ruling out life in the universe besides us. God is an idea...and real in the minds of many people so that in one way makes it real. The only way to KNOW is to die so we will all eventually have the undeniable proof. The study of history and human nature lead me to believe man made god not the other way around. READ..The Evolution of God. Great book. "I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire "Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley |
Yojimbo
User ID: 1011895 United States 12/01/2011 11:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1.What constitutes undeniable proof? Quoting: Stocking Eats Cake Basically, something that you'd have to be insane to deny the existence of, for example, the bloody ground! 2.Is your trust in science based on faith or based on science? Why do people associate atheism with science all the time? Atheism is not based on science at all! It is simply not believing in a deity. 4.When you attempt to use logic to conclude facts about religion, are you starting at the conclusion (God is not real), or are you starting at true premises? Be honest. If you are starting at true premises, then what are they? And how are they true? Think about the previous question when you answer.. If you can not prove that something exists then it is more logical to not believe it. Think of it this way, a man is being trialed for murder, there is no evidence to support the accusations, why would you believe he committed the crime in that case? 5.Do you believe in extra-terrestrials? I think it is highly likely that they exist but there is no solid evidence to suggest that they do. This is a great summary. +1 |
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Knowledge Power
(OP) User ID: 6321539 Yemen 12/01/2011 11:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh, I forgot number three in my above post: Quoting: Stocking Eats Cake 3.Is absence of proof the proof of absence? Not necessarily but why should I believe that something exists if I have no reason to? Universe exists, Life exists and you exist. Every existence has a cause and reason. It's not about who, its always about what you do, to make your dream come true. |
Stocking Eats Cake
User ID: 6314317 Ireland 12/01/2011 11:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh, I forgot number three in my above post: Quoting: Stocking Eats Cake 3.Is absence of proof the proof of absence? Not necessarily but why should I believe that something exists if I have no reason to? Universe exists, Life exists and you exist. Every existence has a cause and reason. Yes but I do not pretend to objectively know the causes and reasons. I'm not saying you're pretending, I know that you think what you think is fact. I'm just saying you can't expect atheists to come up with the causes and reasons behind the universe without any evidence confirming their theories. Known to my many adoring fans as a Karmatard, Porno Addict, gypsy cunt, a corporate protector, an idiot, a shill, ignorant, foolish, racist, a cunt, an asshat and naive. |
Knowledge Power
(OP) User ID: 6321539 Yemen 12/01/2011 11:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I started out as a believer...studied from a point of faith. I do not believe in Aliens though not ruling out life in the universe besides us. God is an idea...and real in the minds of many people so that in one way makes it real. The only way to KNOW is to die so we will all eventually have the undeniable proof. The study of history and human nature lead me to believe man made god not the other way around. READ..The Evolution of God. Great book. Quoting: smokahontas Thanks for the info's, i'll try to read it. But ''man made god not the other way around'' and who made man? It's not about who, its always about what you do, to make your dream come true. |
Knowledge Power
(OP) User ID: 6321539 Yemen 12/01/2011 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh, I forgot number three in my above post: Quoting: Stocking Eats Cake 3.Is absence of proof the proof of absence? Not necessarily but why should I believe that something exists if I have no reason to? Universe exists, Life exists and you exist. Every existence has a cause and reason. Yes but I do not pretend to objectively know the causes and reasons. I'm not saying you're pretending, I know that you think what you think is fact. I'm just saying you can't expect atheists to come up with the causes and reasons behind the universe without any evidence confirming their theories. We have the facts and the evidences, but not coming up with reasons and causes by depending on fixed theories. when you solve a mathematical problem with one rule, but you couldn't solve it. but you might solve it if you changed the rule. in other words, the problem is not in the facts we know, its from the theories we follow. It's not about who, its always about what you do, to make your dream come true. |
Stocking Eats Cake
User ID: 6350357 Ireland 12/01/2011 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh, I forgot number three in my above post: Quoting: Stocking Eats Cake 3.Is absence of proof the proof of absence? Not necessarily but why should I believe that something exists if I have no reason to? Universe exists, Life exists and you exist. Every existence has a cause and reason. Yes but I do not pretend to objectively know the causes and reasons. I'm not saying you're pretending, I know that you think what you think is fact. I'm just saying you can't expect atheists to come up with the causes and reasons behind the universe without any evidence confirming their theories. We have the facts and the evidences, but not coming up with reasons and causes by depending on fixed theories. when you solve a mathematical problem with one rule, but you couldn't solve it. but you might solve it if you changed the rule. in other words, the problem is not in the facts we know, its from the theories we follow. I'm afraid faith does not equate to fact. Known to my many adoring fans as a Karmatard, Porno Addict, gypsy cunt, a corporate protector, an idiot, a shill, ignorant, foolish, racist, a cunt, an asshat and naive. |
smokahontas
User ID: 6347236 United States 12/01/2011 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The reason we have tried to make sense of the things we cannot answer is the main reason god exists. We are a curious animal, we have devleloped a brain that tries to comprehend things which we cannot. The drive in us to understand, to see whats over the next hill, to make sense of volcanoes, earthquakes, hurricanes, fire, illness, the stars, the sun, the moon, where we came from ect.ect. Demands the intervention of a higher power. I respect all people and their beliefs! Love to all! "I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire "Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley |
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Stocking Eats Cake
User ID: 6350357 Ireland 12/01/2011 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I challenge all you atheists to answer a single question. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5019129 What is the purpose of your existence? To serve your nation. Known to my many adoring fans as a Karmatard, Porno Addict, gypsy cunt, a corporate protector, an idiot, a shill, ignorant, foolish, racist, a cunt, an asshat and naive. |
Yojimbo
User ID: 1011895 United States 12/01/2011 11:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I challenge all you atheists to answer a single question. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5019129 What is the purpose of your existence? The pursuit and advancement of knowledge in whichever subject is most meaningful and fulfilling to one's self. Music, literature, family, friends, community, science, even perhaps religion if I dare say so. Unfortunately when pursuing religion all they do is tell you that your life's purpose is to be a slave to a tyrant. |
smokahontas
User ID: 6347236 United States 12/01/2011 11:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "How can we imagine a spiritual priciple waiting patiently in idleness during a whole eternity, in order to animate a mass of matter for a space of time, which compared with eternity is less than a moment? It is worse still, when I am told that God forms immortal souls out of nothing and then cruelly dooms them to an eternity of flames." Voltaire "I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire "Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1530543 China 12/01/2011 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I challenge all you atheists to answer a single question. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5019129 What is the purpose of your existence? To serve your nation. Take away God from the people, and they will replace it with something else. This is why totalitarian regimes always tried to destroy religion, so they can make themselves God. The Messiah is the great leader, paradise is the promised utopia. This will happen again, as it did with communism, but this time on a global scale. The demoralised masses will serve their purpose well. |
Stocking Eats Cake
User ID: 6350357 Ireland 12/01/2011 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I challenge all you atheists to answer a single question. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5019129 What is the purpose of your existence? To serve your nation. Take away God from the people, and they will replace it with something else. This is why totalitarian regimes always tried to destroy religion, so they can make themselves God. The Messiah is the great leader, paradise is the promised utopia. This will happen again, as it did with communism, but this time on a global scale. The demoralised masses will serve their purpose well. The state is a far more relevant figure than a deity. Known to my many adoring fans as a Karmatard, Porno Addict, gypsy cunt, a corporate protector, an idiot, a shill, ignorant, foolish, racist, a cunt, an asshat and naive. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 6339016 United Kingdom 12/01/2011 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1.What constitutes undeniable proof? When and if he/it ever appappears in front of me. 2.Is your trust in science based on faith or based on science? Good science should be provable. Same goes for any God. 3.Is absence of proof the proof of absence? If proof is absent then there is no proof. 4.When you attempt to use logic to conclude facts about religion, are you starting at the conclusion (God is not real), or are you starting at true premises? Be honest. If you are starting at true premises, then what are they? And how are they true? Think about the previous question when you answer.. I start with the facts then draw a conclusion. 5.Do you believe in extra-terrestrials? If and when I get to see one, Yes. So for the time being, no |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1530543 China 12/01/2011 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I challenge all you atheists to answer a single question. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5019129 What is the purpose of your existence? To serve your nation. Take away God from the people, and they will replace it with something else. This is why totalitarian regimes always tried to destroy religion, so they can make themselves God. The Messiah is the great leader, paradise is the promised utopia. This will happen again, as it did with communism, but this time on a global scale. The demoralised masses will serve their purpose well. The state is a far more relevant figure than a deity. The belief in a higher deity poses a great obstacle to totalitarian regimes. If people have unshakable moral values that they hold above anything else, they will not be persuaded to adopt whatever values the state advocates. |
Stocking Eats Cake
User ID: 6350357 Ireland 12/01/2011 12:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Take away God from the people, and they will replace it with something else. This is why totalitarian regimes always tried to destroy religion, so they can make themselves God. The Messiah is the great leader, paradise is the promised utopia. This will happen again, as it did with communism, but this time on a global scale. The demoralised masses will serve their purpose well. The state is a far more relevant figure than a deity. The belief in a higher deity poses a great obstacle to totalitarian regimes. If people have unshakable moral values that they hold above anything else, they will not be persuaded to adopt whatever values the state advocates. What is the major difference between the moral values a state upholds in comparison to the moral values a religion upholds? The difference is that the state is far more relevant than God in the lives of people today. Known to my many adoring fans as a Karmatard, Porno Addict, gypsy cunt, a corporate protector, an idiot, a shill, ignorant, foolish, racist, a cunt, an asshat and naive. |
ExpertOfSound
User ID: 1779676 United States 12/01/2011 12:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Intelligent Atheists" That is an oxymoron. GREAT minds talk about IDEAS AVERAGE minds talk about EVENTS SMALL minds talk about PEOPLE Racism is a crime against humanity. “A good scientist is a person in whom the childhood quality of perennial curiosity lingers on. Once he gets an answer, he has other questions.” ~Frederick Seitz There are MORE water molecules in 1 glass of tap water than there are glasses of tap water in EVERY OCEAN ON EARTH. Thread: THE TRUTH about the "Ancient Astronaut Theory" and Ancient Aliens TV Show AGENDA! |
Stocking Eats Cake
User ID: 6350357 Ireland 12/01/2011 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is it that hard to have a discussion without one side making childish insults directed at the other? Known to my many adoring fans as a Karmatard, Porno Addict, gypsy cunt, a corporate protector, an idiot, a shill, ignorant, foolish, racist, a cunt, an asshat and naive. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1530543 China 12/01/2011 12:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1530543 Take away God from the people, and they will replace it with something else. This is why totalitarian regimes always tried to destroy religion, so they can make themselves God. The Messiah is the great leader, paradise is the promised utopia. This will happen again, as it did with communism, but this time on a global scale. The demoralised masses will serve their purpose well. The state is a far more relevant figure than a deity. The belief in a higher deity poses a great obstacle to totalitarian regimes. If people have unshakable moral values that they hold above anything else, they will not be persuaded to adopt whatever values the state advocates. What is the major difference between the moral values a state upholds in comparison to the moral values a religion upholds? The difference is that the state is far more relevant than God in the lives of people today. The moral values of a religion are like a rock. States and ideologies come and go, religious moral values do not. If you still don't get my point, I give up. Go worship your state and do whatever they tell you. |
smokahontas
User ID: 6347236 United States 12/01/2011 12:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "How can we imagine a spiritual priciple waiting patiently in idleness during a whole eternity, in order to animate a mass of matter for a space of time, which compared with eternity is less than a moment? It is worse still, when I am told that God forms immortal souls out of nothing and then cruelly dooms them to an eternity of flames." Quoting: smokahontas Voltaire " Fix reason firmly in her seat. Call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God, for if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blind folded fear." Thomas Jefferson "I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire "Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5019129 United States 12/01/2011 12:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ok, I'll ask another question for atheists- If there is no life after this one, then what stops you from behaviors such as Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Acedia, Wrath, Envy, Pride and Vainglory? Why not succumb to your basic primal instincts and rape- pillage and steal? |
Stocking Eats Cake
User ID: 6352155 Ireland 12/01/2011 12:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ok, I'll ask another question for atheists- Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5019129 If there is no life after this one, then what stops you from behaviors such as Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Acedia, Wrath, Envy, Pride and Vainglory? Why not succumb to your basic primal instincts and rape- pillage and steal? Because we don't need to fear of hell to behave morally. Here's something to interest you: Humanity is inherently good, we are a social creature and the sophisticated social structures we've created trump our more vicious and competitive sides. Last Edited by Luxuria Gula Socordia on 12/01/2011 12:20 PM Known to my many adoring fans as a Karmatard, Porno Addict, gypsy cunt, a corporate protector, an idiot, a shill, ignorant, foolish, racist, a cunt, an asshat and naive. |