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Bow hunting for if the SHTF (input welcome)

 
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So, during my time away from GLP, I've still been prepping a little bit at a time. One of the skills that I've decided to learn is bowhunting game.

There are a few different advantages to bowhunting over using a firearm, especially in a SHTF scenario.

1.) Stealth. You may not want everybody in a 20 mile radius to know that you are well armed or well fed.

2.) Diversity. A bow, especially a traditional bow, opens up the possibilities of different types of game you can hunt. With guns, you may need several types of ammunition for different situations. With arrows, you only need a couple different types of arrows that you can usually re-use.

3.) Portability. A take-down recurve bow will fit in your bug out bag. There are several models out there that don't even require tools to assemble.

4.) Availability of ammunition. While it is not as easy as breaking off a stick, sharpening the end, and pointing it down range, with some skills, ingenuity, and some time/patience, you can make your own arrows, bowstring, or even your own bow.

During my short time of learning, there are a few key elements that most beginners should focus on. I'm by no means an expert, so if I miss something, chime in. hf

A.) Form. Consistent is key here. A loose grip on the bow, steady/smooth draw, consistent anchor points, and follow through are all very important.

B.) Equipment. Don't get a bow that is too difficult to pull back on. In the case of traditional bows, draw weights are measured at a draw length of 28 inches. Anything 45 pounds and up should be sufficient for hunting larger game like deer. You want something that you can use consistently.

C.) Practice, Practice, Practice. Buy or make a target and throw some arrows downrange.

As far as hunting goes, there are a few things that are key regardless of what it is you are hunting.

1.) Know your quarry. Where they live, when they travel, where they travel, what they eat, what predators besides you are doing, etc. It's not as simple as you may think.

2.) Know your hunting area. Other critters, neighbors, landmarks, etc. Try to absorb as much as possible. Also, know your state hunting regulations. While they may not matter if the SHTF, you don't want to get busted when you're just getting started.

3.) Know yourself. Nothing in the woods smells like a person except a person. For bowhunting deer, scent management is paramount. For Elk, or squirrels, not so much.

These are just a few of the things that I've learned so far. I would love to hear from other hunters and other hunting stories or even philosophies.

I really have no desire to kill an animal, but I would like to feed my family if the SHTF. By learning now, I can do that in a humane manner that is responsible and possibly beneficial.

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You really ought have all your family's food needs met for at least a year. Not safe to be chasing protein out in the woods, away from your family. If you do have to resort to hunting, use snares and other traps to increase your odds.

Archery is great fun and a good skill, but inferior to firearms. Not a lot of meat on deer smaller than elk.
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You really ought have all your family's food needs met for at least a year. Not safe to be chasing protein out in the woods, away from your family. If you do have to resort to hunting, use snares and other traps to increase your odds.

Archery is great fun and a good skill, but inferior to firearms. Not a lot of meat on deer smaller than elk.
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Agreed. I look at hunting as a way to supplement my supplies already in place. I'm not depending on it alone for survival.

As a matter of fact, one of the reasons I started this thread was so others could see that it is more difficult than it appears on the surface.

Trapping is another skill that I am looking into as well. Less energy expended, better chances of catching something if it's done well.

Guns really are the most efficient way to hunt, but I wanted to focus on the benefits of a bow hf
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You really ought have all your family's food needs met for at least a year. Not safe to be chasing protein out in the woods, away from your family. If you do have to resort to hunting, use snares and other traps to increase your odds.

Archery is great fun and a good skill, but inferior to firearms. Not a lot of meat on deer smaller than elk.
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Agreed. I look at hunting as a way to supplement my supplies already in place. I'm not depending on it alone for survival.

As a matter of fact, one of the reasons I started this thread was so others could see that it is more difficult than it appears on the surface.

Trapping is another skill that I am looking into as well. Less energy expended, better chances of catching something if it's done well.

Guns really are the most efficient way to hunt, but I wanted to focus on the benefits of a bow hf
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Never tried it, but I imagine it's a lot harder than using a rifle. I have a nice Bear Recurve bow and would probably use it instead of the Mosin in a SHTF scenario for stealth reasons. Also to conserve ammo. I guess I should get out this year and give it a shot.
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lol

gonna git yur bow?

lol

these kinda dorks will be like the easies to brush aside by normal people

lol
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Bows are good, nice post OP.
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I have shot many deer with my bow 1 thing is only draw when
they are looking away from you .And get string silencers
aka cat whiskers so they do not jump the string when you
release the string
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Guns really are the most efficient way to hunt..
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wrong. traps and snare lines are. with a gun you must be present for each kill.

traps and snares are only set then checked and harvested.

they are much more efficient than firearms.
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lol

gonna git yur bow?

lol

these kinda dorks will be like the easies to brush aside by normal people

lol
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Guns really are the most efficient way to hunt..
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wrong. traps and snare lines are. with a gun you must be present for each kill.

traps and snares are only set then checked and harvested.

they are much more efficient than firearms.
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Good point
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Nice post, Gen troll!
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With a bow and arrow you will probably injure 99% of the animals and they will suffer a slow and painful death from infected wounds. Get a good rifle.
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lol

gonna git yur bow?

lol

these kinda dorks will be like the easies to brush aside by normal people

lol
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I can make pink mist @ 500 meters, but if you think that a bow is the only thing in my arsenal, that's not a bad thing... For me.

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With a bow and arrow you will probably injure 99% of the animals and they will suffer a slow and painful death from infected wounds. Get a good rifle.
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Use a long bow not a compound, once its broke its useless. Buy the Army survival , evasion and recovery book. Teaches how to set traps and snares in all regions of the planet, for all types of game. Buy the 1881 household cyclopedia(amazon) teaches you how to dress, skin, preserve, and store without electricity and refridgeration. Also how to pickle, can , salt all types of game. You can kill but if it spoils its pointless. And op is right practice practice practice, the best bow hunter in the world or the best shot will not be so good if fighting for his life or paniced, things must be second nature to handle under fire. Good luck all!peace
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lol

gonna git yur bow?

lol

these kinda dorks will be like the easies to brush aside by normal people

lol
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I would think that the arrogant people would be the easiest to deal with, you already know what they are about. They are lazy and unwilling to work to improve their situation, they always just take, so the only way to deal with them is to take. This guy is offering something here to benefit the team and your arrogance shows what type of person he would be dealing with if SHTF. I would like to learn from someone like this but I am also ready to deal with the arrogant mentalities that would surface in dire straights!!!

During a week long power outage in South Florida with everything out of power for 2-3 days except for just a couple places with generators, people went insane. The power started coming back on day 4 to isolated areas and some places did not get power back for over a month, but the majority was around 1 week. In this situation the first day people were driving around downed trees and power lines to make sure their friends/family was safe and everyone was like "oh we will be ok, its not that big of a deal". On day 2 they were beginning to change and became pretty nasty. But on day 3 everything changed and the same people that were really nice about everything on day 1 became nasty and mean. They werent even hungry they just didnt have power or convenyence. By day 4 they were ready to kill and thats when the stores starting dealing with these idiots and their arrogance!
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With a bow and arrow you will probably injure 99% of the animals and they will suffer a slow and painful death from infected wounds. Get a good rifle.
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We had some local Indians and White Indian Wannabes in our area a few years ago who bought a buffalo (absolutely legal, the animal was part of a legally owned herd raised for meat).

They decided the most respectful way to kill it was with bows and arrows--the "traditional" way.

It didn't go well at all, for either the buffalo, the Indians or the White Indian Wannabes.

In fact, it went so damned poorly that an old Indian in town (a non-participant in the debacle) got disgusted, grabbed his rifle, and ended the beast's misery.

Everyone who participated in the pseudo-spiritual fiasco is still ashamed and apologetic for having done so.
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What kind of bow are you using?

Get a recurve bow. You can restring your bow very easily if something were to happen to it
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If anyone is interested I came across a free ebook on amazon for bow hunting

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You have to get the kindle app to read it on the pc (or whatever) but that's free on amazon too
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What kind of bow are you using?

Get a recurve bow. You can restring your bow very easily if something were to happen to it
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I have a Samick "Hawkeye" take down recurve @ 60#'s
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The best thing about the bow is how quite they are. With the technology in the forces today a singel gunshot can be pinpointed to a few feet.

But dont think you can reuse arrows when in the field.
1. If miss you will be looking for your arrow for hours.
2. If you hit something large it will run off with the arrow. Tracking down the animal after it has been shot takes alot of skill. They can run for miles even with a good shot. Running through thick forest will often damage the arrow too.
3. if you hit something small you will likely hit a bone and bend/break the arrow.

Building your own arrows without a lathe is very difficult.
Building your own bow is even harder.

Dont get me wrong, a bow is an excellent shtf tool, but you really have to know what your doing.
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Guns really are the most efficient way to hunt..
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wrong. traps and snare lines are. with a gun you must be present for each kill.

traps and snares are only set then checked and harvested.

they are much more efficient than firearms.
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Good point
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My grandmaother caught a rabbit almost every day with a simple wooden "rabbit gum" that looked like a large shoe box with a drop door that was triggered when the critter entered to check out whateven goodie she baited it with.

One word of caution: She did catch a skunk from time to time.

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lol

gonna git yur bow?

lol

these kinda dorks will be like the easies to brush aside by normal people

lol
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I can make pink mist @ 500 meters, but if you think that a bow is the only thing in my arsenal, that's not a bad thing... For me.

doublefacepalm
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... and if he gets too close to my family WTSHTF, he will not realize what just happened while his head, conscious for about 5 seconds, is on the ground wondering why it just fell off it's shoulders.

With that said, 12 years olds should be in school. Go away AC.

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you can have all the skills but will
also need a good dog and also to learn
to check for symptoms of disease in the critters
you're hunting.
and if bow hunting best to carry a gun as well.
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you can have all the skills but will
also need a good dog and also to learn
to check for symptoms of disease in the critters
you're hunting.
and if bow hunting best to carry a gun as well.
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Whenever my Grandfather killed a deer he always examined the liver closely. he said if it had white spots, was discolored or darkened, that meant the meat was bad.

I never saw a bad liver, maybe someone who has could shed some light on what my Grandfather was talking about?

I do know that he insisted that all game be cooked very well done. No medium rare stuff like we do with our beef steaks.
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you can have all the skills but will
also need a good dog and also to learn
to check for symptoms of disease in the critters
you're hunting.
and if bow hunting best to carry a gun as well.
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Great point. I know chronic wasting disease is a problem in many parts of the country. It's smart to know the signs if you are unable to have the animal tested.
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The best thing about the bow is how quite they are. With the technology in the forces today a singel gunshot can be pinpointed to a few feet.

But dont think you can reuse arrows when in the field.
1. If miss you will be looking for your arrow for hours.
2. If you hit something large it will run off with the arrow. Tracking down the animal after it has been shot takes alot of skill. They can run for miles even with a good shot. Running through thick forest will often damage the arrow too.
3. if you hit something small you will likely hit a bone and bend/break the arrow.

Building your own arrows without a lathe is very difficult.
Building your own bow is even harder.

Dont get me wrong, a bow is an excellent shtf tool, but you really have to know what your doing.
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That's why I posted the thread. Great info. thumbsup

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I have shot many deer with my bow 1 thing is only draw when
they are looking away from you .And get string silencers
aka cat whiskers so they do not jump the string when you
release the string
 Quoting: ar-15 nut


hello...they don't jump the string...it's been proven with video and slow motion that whitetail hear the arrow in flight...they used to say jumping the string....just wanted to let you know updated facts...they also see the color blue like we do flow orange....and never hunt turkey with white fletchings...

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you can have all the skills but will
also need a good dog and also to learn
to check for symptoms of disease in the critters
you're hunting.
and if bow hunting best to carry a gun as well.
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ummmm....some states don't allow a gun while bow hunting....better check your states laws first
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The best thing about the bow is how quite they are. With the technology in the forces today a singel gunshot can be pinpointed to a few feet.

But dont think you can reuse arrows when in the field.
1. If miss you will be looking for your arrow for hours.
2. If you hit something large it will run off with the arrow. Tracking down the animal after it has been shot takes alot of skill. They can run for miles even with a good shot. Running through thick forest will often damage the arrow too.
3. if you hit something small you will likely hit a bone and bend/break the arrow.

Building your own arrows without a lathe is very difficult.
Building your own bow is even harder.

Dont get me wrong, a bow is an excellent shtf tool, but you really have to know what your doing.
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There are no laws about reuse of arrows...but yes, they can get damaged...mostly from pigs or just missing altogether...arrows today are carbon and very strong compared to the old aluminum...we get guys in the archery shop all the time who bring in arrows with blood on them...that is what you really need to watch...bleach em down if you are going to reuse after a harvest...I knew a kid that ended up with hep. and died from a bloody arrow.





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