Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " | |
Brie217
User ID: 1462880 United States 10/03/2011 11:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " [link to www.rense.com] Quoting: Astrochik Readers ask me what they can do. Americans not only feel powerless, they are powerless. They cannot do anything. The highly concentrated, corporate-owned, government-subservient print and TV media are useless and no longer capable of performing the historic role of protecting our rights and holding government accountable. Even many antiwar Internet sites shield the government from 9/11 skepticism, and most defend the government's "righteous intent" in its war on terror. Acceptable criticism has to be couched in words such as "it doesn't serve our interests." Voting has no effect. President "Change" is worse than Bush/Cheney. As Jonathan Turley suggests, Obama is "the most disastrous president in our history." Ron Paul is the only presidential candidate who stands up for the Constitution, but the majority of Americans are too unconcerned with the Constitution to appre |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1439733 United States 10/04/2011 12:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " In other words, any American citizen who is moved into the threat category has no rights and can be executed without trial or evidence.... Quoting: Astrochik This is apparently the precedent that has now been set. (Where is the ALCU when you really need them?) The DOJ has told the ACLU to mind their own business |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2579993 United States 10/04/2011 12:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " Run away while you still can Quoting: Anonymous Coward 664728 NZ or Australia would be better We left in 2008 and are quite happy here It's already being done here. If you are a legal resident and they deem you to be a terrorist or have affiliations with an association that is considered one. The Government won't kill you here. They will just ship you out to a country that will. If your innocent, hopefully you will survive their due process. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1504895 United States 10/04/2011 12:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " hey wasnt al alwaki (sorry SP) a leader, or part of the leadership of alqueda? that second post makes him sound very passive. i mean, an employee of the government post 9/11? is that stuff even true? not saying offing off americans is right or not, just that so far the guys they killed have been painted as being 'bad guys'. so while, yes the right to a trial and all, but still, it was 'somewhat' justified in the light that they were enemy commanders. and i guess enemy commanders is the key thing here i'm trying to say, as far as the law is concerned. whereas the 2nd post in this thread makes it sound like all the guy (the non magazine US citizen guy) did was speeches and the likes |
:) User ID: 2610193 Canada 10/04/2011 12:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " Lest we forget: "After the Sept. 11 attacks, Bush gave the CIA, and later the military, authority to kill U.S. citizens abroad if strong evidence existed that an American was involved in organizing or carrying out terrorist actions against the United States or U.S. interests, military and intelligence officials said." [link to www.washingtonpost.com] CIA And Pentagon Asset Anwar Al Awlaki Dined At Pentagon Months After 9/11 Al-Qaeda terror mastermind Anwar Al-Awlaki, the man who helped plot the aborted Christmas Day bombing, the Fort Hood shooting, the Times Square bombing attempt, brainwashed the 7/7 bombers, had pursued a Doctorate in Education from the CIA’s favorite University, George Washington in DC and who also preached to the alleged September 11 hijackers, dined at the Pentagon just months after 9/11 documents obtained by Fox News show... [link to socioecohistory.wordpress.com] |
Astrochik
(OP) User ID: 1331439 United States 10/04/2011 12:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " Run away while you still can Quoting: Anonymous Coward 664728 NZ or Australia would be better We left in 2008 and are quite happy here Isn't Nz difficult to expatiate to unless you are pretty wealthy? 26 Qualities That Make Man God-Like: 1: Fearlessness 2: purity of heart 3: Steadfastness 4: Almsgiving 5: Self-restraint 6: Religious rites 7: Right study of the scriptures 8: Self discipline 9: Straightforwardness 10: Noninjury 11: Truth 12: Absense of wrath 13: Renunciation 14: Peace 15: Absence of fault-finding and calumny 16: Compassion toward all beings 17: Noncovetousness, absence of greed 18: Gentleness 19: Modesty 20: Absence of restlessness 21: Radiance of character 22: Forgiveness 23: Patience or fortitude 24: Cleanness of body and purity of mind 25: Nonhatred 26: Lack of conceit |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 2001011 United States 10/04/2011 12:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " Lest we forget: "After the Sept. 11 attacks, Bush gave the CIA, and later the military, authority to kill U.S. citizens abroad if strong evidence existed that an American was involved in organizing or carrying out terrorist actions against the United States or U.S. interests, military and intelligence officials said." [link to www.washingtonpost.com] CIA And Pentagon Asset Anwar Al Awlaki Dined At Pentagon Months After 9/11 Al-Qaeda terror mastermind Anwar Al-Awlaki, the man who helped plot the aborted Christmas Day bombing, the Fort Hood shooting, the Times Square bombing attempt, brainwashed the 7/7 bombers, had pursued a Doctorate in Education from the CIA’s favorite University, George Washington in DC and who also preached to the alleged September 11 hijackers, dined at the Pentagon just months after 9/11 documents obtained by Fox News show... [link to socioecohistory.wordpress.com] Thank you...the Obama card is the Bush card...as a matter of fact...they are cousins! What a freaking coincidence.....sheesh..... |
Astrochik
(OP) User ID: 1331439 United States 10/04/2011 12:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " Move to a country that loves privacy and guns like I did ! yeah but the coming ice age is going to leave you glaciated unfortunately... or I would! 26 Qualities That Make Man God-Like: 1: Fearlessness 2: purity of heart 3: Steadfastness 4: Almsgiving 5: Self-restraint 6: Religious rites 7: Right study of the scriptures 8: Self discipline 9: Straightforwardness 10: Noninjury 11: Truth 12: Absense of wrath 13: Renunciation 14: Peace 15: Absence of fault-finding and calumny 16: Compassion toward all beings 17: Noncovetousness, absence of greed 18: Gentleness 19: Modesty 20: Absence of restlessness 21: Radiance of character 22: Forgiveness 23: Patience or fortitude 24: Cleanness of body and purity of mind 25: Nonhatred 26: Lack of conceit |
Pangn
User ID: 1526962 United States 10/04/2011 12:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " This country is so fucked up Look at healthcare $150 a month for a single healthy person to get a decent plan Still gotta pay $35 to visit a doctor, 20-50% on any tests, 20-50% on any stays, plus outrageous deductibles how do they expect anyone making less than $75,000 a year to pay for it???? i mean damn, my husband is self employed.. but we are both uninsured because we cant afford $300 in insurance premiums a month.. for an insurance company to cover less than 50-80% of a bill so if you actually use it and need 20grand, you're paying $6,000 of coinsurance, $2,500 dedictible, and $3,600 a year in premiums! weeeee and dont forget about pregnancy LMAO "a waiting period applies before conception can occur"..... may as well just rack up the bills and make payments.. at least they're interest free! |
Instant Karma
User ID: 1025379 United States 10/04/2011 12:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " [link to www.rense.com] Quoting: Astrochik The Only Future For Americans Is A Nightmare By Paul Craig Roberts 10-3-11 ...Many expected President Obama to re-establish the accountability of government to law. Instead, he went further than Bush/Cheney and asserted the unconstitutional power not only to hold American citizens indefinitely in prison without bringing charges, but also to take their lives without convicting them in a court of law. Obama asserts that the US Constitution notwithstanding, he has the authority to assassinate US citizens, who he deems to be a "threat," without due process of law. In other words, any American citizen who is moved into the threat category has no rights and can be executed without trial or evidence.... But some say we shouldn't revolt against this tyranny. That would be Sedition or Treason! "Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." -Sir John Harrington Dollar Deception: How Banks Secretly Create Money: [link to www.webofdebt.com] ALTERED GENES, TWISTED TRUTH: How the Venture to Genetically Engineer Our Food Has Subverted Science, Corrupted Government, and Systematically Deceived the Public: [link to www.amazon.com] 2028 End? [link to 2028end.com] |
deepend
User ID: 1343991 United States 10/04/2011 12:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " In other words, any American citizen who is moved into the threat category has no rights and can be executed without trial or evidence.... Quoting: Astrochik This is apparently the precedent that has now been set. (Where is the ALCU when you really need them?) i can't believe people are not making a really big deal of this... aclu included at the top of the list!!! in order to take a law to court, you have to be harmed by it. If you have no harm, then there is no case. Take for example the patriot act. It was not until someone was harmed by it before the ACLU could take the case to court. Unfortunately, if the government was to use all these unconstitutional laws in mass - it takes years to fight them. By then it could be too late. Another good example is when they took weapons from citizens in Louisiana during Katrina. There is now a law on the books that says they are not allowed to do that. It took someone being harmed by the action before it could be fought. ^^ gravity is a harsh reality. ^^ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 664728 New Zealand 10/04/2011 12:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " Run away while you still can Quoting: Anonymous Coward 664728 NZ or Australia would be better We left in 2008 and are quite happy here Isn't Nz difficult to expatiate to unless you are pretty wealthy? One of the easiest and cheapest in the world very straightforward system as long as you have some kind of skill that NZ wants and have a fairly clean criminal history and no major medical issues (we have socialized medicine) I have soooo many peoplel always wanting to get info on moving here, I finally started a blog It has a few inane things on there b/c I am lazy but it does have a post about emigrating process [link to genexpat.blogspot.com] |
Astrochik
(OP) User ID: 1331439 United States 10/04/2011 12:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " Run away while you still can Quoting: Anonymous Coward 664728 NZ or Australia would be better We left in 2008 and are quite happy here Isn't Nz difficult to expatiate to unless you are pretty wealthy? One of the easiest and cheapest in the world very straightforward system as long as you have some kind of skill that NZ wants and have a fairly clean criminal history and no major medical issues (we have socialized medicine) I have soooo many peoplel always wanting to get info on moving here, I finally started a blog It has a few inane things on there b/c I am lazy but it does have a post about emigrating process [link to genexpat.blogspot.com] thanks for posting this I will check it out wondering if my skills might be a match for nz... what can't I do? hmmm.... 26 Qualities That Make Man God-Like: 1: Fearlessness 2: purity of heart 3: Steadfastness 4: Almsgiving 5: Self-restraint 6: Religious rites 7: Right study of the scriptures 8: Self discipline 9: Straightforwardness 10: Noninjury 11: Truth 12: Absense of wrath 13: Renunciation 14: Peace 15: Absence of fault-finding and calumny 16: Compassion toward all beings 17: Noncovetousness, absence of greed 18: Gentleness 19: Modesty 20: Absence of restlessness 21: Radiance of character 22: Forgiveness 23: Patience or fortitude 24: Cleanness of body and purity of mind 25: Nonhatred 26: Lack of conceit |
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Astrochik
(OP) User ID: 1331439 United States 10/04/2011 01:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " just give a fake name and ss# like obama does 26 Qualities That Make Man God-Like: 1: Fearlessness 2: purity of heart 3: Steadfastness 4: Almsgiving 5: Self-restraint 6: Religious rites 7: Right study of the scriptures 8: Self discipline 9: Straightforwardness 10: Noninjury 11: Truth 12: Absense of wrath 13: Renunciation 14: Peace 15: Absence of fault-finding and calumny 16: Compassion toward all beings 17: Noncovetousness, absence of greed 18: Gentleness 19: Modesty 20: Absence of restlessness 21: Radiance of character 22: Forgiveness 23: Patience or fortitude 24: Cleanness of body and purity of mind 25: Nonhatred 26: Lack of conceit |
Pangn
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Astrochik
(OP) User ID: 1331439 United States 10/04/2011 01:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " just give a fake name and ss# like obama does can you really do that? LMAO yes. tell them your name is jim johnson, and you have blue cross but act all disoriented and then sneak out as soon as you get better enough. 26 Qualities That Make Man God-Like: 1: Fearlessness 2: purity of heart 3: Steadfastness 4: Almsgiving 5: Self-restraint 6: Religious rites 7: Right study of the scriptures 8: Self discipline 9: Straightforwardness 10: Noninjury 11: Truth 12: Absense of wrath 13: Renunciation 14: Peace 15: Absence of fault-finding and calumny 16: Compassion toward all beings 17: Noncovetousness, absence of greed 18: Gentleness 19: Modesty 20: Absence of restlessness 21: Radiance of character 22: Forgiveness 23: Patience or fortitude 24: Cleanness of body and purity of mind 25: Nonhatred 26: Lack of conceit |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2585616 Germany 10/04/2011 01:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " In other words, any American citizen who is moved into the threat category has no rights and can be executed without trial or evidence.... Quoting: Astrochik This is apparently the precedent that has now been set. (Where is the ALCU when you really need them?) i can't believe people are not making a really big deal of this... aclu included at the top of the list!!! They are not making a big deal because he is an hyphenated-american. He is not a WASP, which is what a true american is. Did anyone make a big deal of those Japanese-Americans who were incacerated during the Pearl Harbor incident? When the going gets tough, we know who the true americans are. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2586703 United States 10/04/2011 01:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " In other words, any American citizen who is moved into the threat category has no rights and can be executed without trial or evidence.... Quoting: Astrochik This is apparently the precedent that has now been set. (Where is the ALCU when you really need them?) i can't believe people are not making a really big deal of this... aclu included at the top of the list!!! They are not making a big deal because he is an hyphenated-american. He is not a WASP, which is what a true american is. Did anyone make a big deal of those Japanese-Americans who were incacerated during the Pearl Harbor incident? When the going gets tough, we know who the true americans are. Since when did a WASP become a 'true american'. That is BS!!!! The true Americans are the Native Peoples (or what is left of them). WASPs are nothing but europeans running away from their own countries and raping this one and killing as many natives as possible in the process!!!!!! |
Pangn
User ID: 1526962 United States 10/04/2011 01:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " ... Quoting: Life and Love This is apparently the precedent that has now been set. (Where is the ALCU when you really need them?) i can't believe people are not making a really big deal of this... aclu included at the top of the list!!! They are not making a big deal because he is an hyphenated-american. He is not a WASP, which is what a true american is. Did anyone make a big deal of those Japanese-Americans who were incacerated during the Pearl Harbor incident? When the going gets tough, we know who the true americans are. Since when did a WASP become a 'true american'. That is BS!!!! The true Americans are the Native Peoples (or what is left of them). WASPs are nothing but europeans running away from their own countries and raping this one and killing as many natives as possible in the process!!!!!! The natives have it pretty damn easy Free everything. Esp those living in Alaska, everything government, healthcare, or education related is free tax evasion and then that big ole check from the Alaskan government I'd swap my spot of fertile land and move up north anyday for those benefits. I'm cherokee but I can't prove it, since my great great grandmother died on the trail of tears. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 2514927 Guatemala 10/04/2011 02:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " ... Quoting: Astrochik i can't believe people are not making a really big deal of this... aclu included at the top of the list!!! They are not making a big deal because he is an hyphenated-american. He is not a WASP, which is what a true american is. Did anyone make a big deal of those Japanese-Americans who were incacerated during the Pearl Harbor incident? When the going gets tough, we know who the true americans are. Since when did a WASP become a 'true american'. That is BS!!!! The true Americans are the Native Peoples (or what is left of them). WASPs are nothing but europeans running away from their own countries and raping this one and killing as many natives as possible in the process!!!!!! The natives have it pretty damn easy Free everything. Esp those living in Alaska, everything government, healthcare, or education related is free tax evasion and then that big ole check from the Alaskan government I'd swap my spot of fertile land and move up north anyday for those benefits. I'm cherokee but I can't prove it, since my great great grandmother died on the trail of tears. yeah we're all cherokee my family comes from a long line of natives.. too bad we can't prove it... it do not matter want you are, we are all human. benefits from the govt just make you a slave. learn to live without it. |
What Now?!
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 664728 New Zealand 10/04/2011 02:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " as for being native american, I can prove it but that is useless if you can't find your ancestor on the Dawes Rolls of 1906 (I think--been a while since the family tried) if your ancestor was not on the reservation the day they came and counted and wrote a census, you will never be included on the "list" |
Astrochik
(OP) User ID: 1331439 United States 10/04/2011 02:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " as for being native american, I can prove it but that is useless if you can't find your ancestor on the Dawes Rolls of 1906 (I think--been a while since the family tried) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 664728 if your ancestor was not on the reservation the day they came and counted and wrote a census, you will never be included on the "list" I have a minuscule amount of Cherokee but it's not enough to make me eligible for membership in any tribe... 26 Qualities That Make Man God-Like: 1: Fearlessness 2: purity of heart 3: Steadfastness 4: Almsgiving 5: Self-restraint 6: Religious rites 7: Right study of the scriptures 8: Self discipline 9: Straightforwardness 10: Noninjury 11: Truth 12: Absense of wrath 13: Renunciation 14: Peace 15: Absence of fault-finding and calumny 16: Compassion toward all beings 17: Noncovetousness, absence of greed 18: Gentleness 19: Modesty 20: Absence of restlessness 21: Radiance of character 22: Forgiveness 23: Patience or fortitude 24: Cleanness of body and purity of mind 25: Nonhatred 26: Lack of conceit |
Astrochik
(OP) User ID: 1331439 United States 10/04/2011 03:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " that's good, right? 26 Qualities That Make Man God-Like: 1: Fearlessness 2: purity of heart 3: Steadfastness 4: Almsgiving 5: Self-restraint 6: Religious rites 7: Right study of the scriptures 8: Self discipline 9: Straightforwardness 10: Noninjury 11: Truth 12: Absense of wrath 13: Renunciation 14: Peace 15: Absence of fault-finding and calumny 16: Compassion toward all beings 17: Noncovetousness, absence of greed 18: Gentleness 19: Modesty 20: Absence of restlessness 21: Radiance of character 22: Forgiveness 23: Patience or fortitude 24: Cleanness of body and purity of mind 25: Nonhatred 26: Lack of conceit |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1541601 Switzerland 10/04/2011 03:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " Move to a country that loves privacy and guns like I did ! yeah but the coming ice age is going to leave you glaciated unfortunately... or I would! But all the future disaster maps say this will be the island of Switzerland and my ocean fishing skills would come in handy ! |
Astrochik
(OP) User ID: 1331439 United States 10/04/2011 03:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. " yeah but the coming ice age is going to leave you glaciated unfortunately... or I would! But all the future disaster maps say this will be the island of Switzerland and my ocean fishing skills would come in handy ! you could be right!!! 26 Qualities That Make Man God-Like: 1: Fearlessness 2: purity of heart 3: Steadfastness 4: Almsgiving 5: Self-restraint 6: Religious rites 7: Right study of the scriptures 8: Self discipline 9: Straightforwardness 10: Noninjury 11: Truth 12: Absense of wrath 13: Renunciation 14: Peace 15: Absence of fault-finding and calumny 16: Compassion toward all beings 17: Noncovetousness, absence of greed 18: Gentleness 19: Modesty 20: Absence of restlessness 21: Radiance of character 22: Forgiveness 23: Patience or fortitude 24: Cleanness of body and purity of mind 25: Nonhatred 26: Lack of conceit |
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