Paul Craig Roberts - "To expect salvation from an election is delusional. All you can do, if you are young enough, is to leave the country. "

This is apparently the precedent that has now been set.

(Where is the ALCU when you really need them?)

On September 30 Obama used this asserted new power of the president and had two American citizens, Anwar Awlaki and Samir Khan murdered. Khan was a wacky character associated with Inspire Magazine and does not readily come to mind as a serious threat.



Awlaki was a moderate American Muslim cleric who served as an advisor to the US government after 9/11 on ways to counter Muslim extremism. Awlaki was gradually radicalized by Washington's use of lies to justify military attacks on Muslim countries. He became a critic of the US government and told Muslims that they did not have to passively accept American aggression and had the right to resist and to fight back. As a result Awlaki was demonized and became a threat.



All we know that Awlaki did was to give sermons critical of Washington's indiscriminate assaults on Muslim peoples. Washington's argument is that his sermons might have had an influence on some who are accused of attempting terrorist acts, thus making Awlaki responsible for the attempts.



Obama's assertion that Awlaki was some kind of high-level Al Qaeda operative is merely an assertion.< [link to news.antiwar.com] Ditz concluded that the reason Awlaki was murdered rather than brought to trial is that the US government had no real evidence that Awlaki was an Al Qaeda operative.



But what Awlaki did or might have done is beside the point. The US Constitution requires that even the worst murderer cannot be punished until he is convicted in a court of law. When the American Civil Liberties Union challenged in federal court Obama's assertion that he had the power to order assassinations of American citizens, the Obama Justice (sic) Department argued that Obama's decision to have Americans murdered was an executive power beyond the reach of the judiciary.

[link to www.rense.com]

i can't believe people are not making a really big deal of this...

aclu included at the top of the list!!!

In a decision that sealed America's fate, federal district court judge John Bates ignored the Constitution's requirement that no person shall be deprived of life without due process of law and dismissed the case, saying that it was up to Congress to decide. Obama acted before an appeal could be heard, thus using Judge Bates' acquiescence to establish the power and advance the transformation of the president into a Caesar that began under George W. Bush.

[link to www.rense.com]

[link to www.rense.com]

Readers ask me what they can do. Americans not only feel powerless, they are powerless. They cannot do anything. The highly concentrated, corporate-owned, government-subservient print and TV media are useless and no longer capable of performing the historic role of protecting our rights and holding government accountable. Even many antiwar Internet sites shield the government from 9/11 skepticism, and most defend the government's "righteous intent" in its war on terror. Acceptable criticism has to be couched in words such as "it doesn't serve our interests."



Voting has no effect. President "Change" is worse than Bush/Cheney. As Jonathan Turley suggests, Obama is "the most disastrous president in our history." Ron Paul is the only presidential candidate who stands up for the Constitution, but the majority of Americans are too unconcerned with the Constitution to appre

At the moment it appears they are using it for the intended purpose "terrorist threats".

Of course the knee jerk reaction is to assert that one may become a threat themselves if, they oppose a rule that binds with chains.

Interesting...

I imagine it was a VERY hard call.

But YOUR guy says Samir Khan was not dangerous.

But the man published information suggesting terror attacks on US citizens and methods for doing it.

Sorry but that's dangerous.

Do that as an ex-Pat out of country and you are an enemy combatant.

Now unless YOU say there is a question of whether he actually did that or not?

I mean, wasn't this common knowledge?

The scumbag-in-chief not only thinks he has the power to kill American citizens without due process, but he has a list with about 20 names on it. Any of these people could be killed at any time, with Barry's blessing. This guy has no idea what the Constitution is all about!

That's what courts are for, to find someone guilty by the evidence presented.

I mean, isn't this common knowledge?

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Paul also had a great point in that the president (or the U.S Gov) could have stripped both of these fucknuts that got blown up of their citizenship a very long time ago, instead he opted to set a precedent. its a very scary thought. what PCR writes about.

Looks like they have the power to assassinate home PCs now too.

killing anyone without due process is illegal in the USA that the founding fathers intended to establish, is my understanding...

this is the kind of thing we used to rail against USSR for, no?

That's what courts are for, to find someone guilty by the evidence presented.

I mean, isn't this common knowledge?

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I thought it was. But now peace is war and slavery is freedom.

welcome to the brave new world of 1984

Depriving a person of his life before facing charges is a huge huge step back in human rights. It overturns a few hundred years of respect for a most respect for fair play. The USA has gone rogue and anyone participating in this is a war criminal.

it's called murder. war or no war.

The ACLU challenged the doctrine that American "terrorists" could be assassinated and the Justice (sic) department ruled against the challenge. I believe that's in this article.

A citizen is a citizen until he's not. And US citizens are protected by the US Constitution -- until they're not.

Here's the quote from the linked article:

"But what Awlaki did or might have done is beside the point. The US Constitution requires that even the worst murderer cannot be punished until he is convicted in a court of law. When the American Civil Liberties Union challenged in federal court Obama's assertion that he had the power to order assassinations of American citizens, the Obama Justice (sic) Department argued that Obama's decision to have Americans murdered was an executive power beyond the reach of the judiciary."

In Nazi Germany, this assertion of Executive Branch power was called the Fuehrer Principle and was ruled an unacceptable defense at the Nuremberg trials of German war criminals.

ok, what country should they move to?

that's what I'm trying to figure out.

Run away while you still can

NZ or Australia would be better

We left in 2008 and are quite happy here

C'mon, you serious?

of course

the danger here is that it will eventually morph into something else when the red terror finally comes to this country

it will be used to execute "dissidents" who end up on the wrong list

this is coming to the US

flee while you can..

Come to Canada! Please.

Move to a country that loves privacy and guns like I did !

OBAMA needs to be impeached on this issue!

Can I come?