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Near Earth Objects Plotted - Elenin Still Not On Soho - Pleiades On Stereo B

 
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First is Soho, then around 3:26 you see the NEOs Track;
Hi Def: www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgQ3GrSQq-U



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Links;

LASCO C3 Image of Pleiades; [link to lasco-www.nrl.navy.mil]

2011 SO5 condition code 8 [link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]
2011-Sep-29 18:10 00:01 Earth 0.0142835404884998 AU

2011 SC108 condition code 8 [link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]
2011-Sep-27 22:09 < 00:01 Earth 0.00319311973535694 AU

2011 SE58 condition code 7 [link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]
2011-Sep-27 02:46 < 00:01 Earth 0.0015885236955599 AU

Click on 'condition code' at any one of those links.
It says "Title: condition code
Description: MPC "U" parameter: orbit uncertainty estimate 0-9, with 0 being good, and 9 being highly uncertain"
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NEO Earth Close Approaches;
[link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov]

(2011 SO5) Date 2011-Sep-29 - Miss distance 0.0143 AU - Miss Distance 5.6 Lunar Distance - Estimated Size 21 - 47 meters
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For those that missed the last video;

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yle4JnmHkr0
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bump
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i dont understand

are you saying we are doomed or are we not doomed?
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oh! NOOOOOO! its the Kachinas!!! Run for the hills!
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i dont understand

are you saying we are doomed or are we not doomed?
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I see NO D00M, well, no NEW D00M. We've always had asteroids...

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TBar, should we be able to see Elenin ANYWHERE at the moment?
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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bump Hey TBar - you still around?
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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TBar, should we be able to see Elenin ANYWHERE at the moment?
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Elenin is still in the Soho C3 FOV. It will leave the FOV around 2000UT today. After that, probably your only hope of seeing it is with an Earth telescope. It will be in both Stereo A&B's HI2 FOV, but, it is too dim to be seen on either.
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TBar, should we be able to see Elenin ANYWHERE at the moment?
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Elenin is still in the Soho C3 FOV. It will leave the FOV around 2000UT today. After that, probably your only hope of seeing it is with an Earth telescope. It will be in both Stereo A&B's HI2 FOV, but, it is too dim to be seen on either.
 Quoting: TBar1984


I KNOW this is a stupid question but I have to ask - why is it so dim?
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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TBar, should we be able to see Elenin ANYWHERE at the moment?
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Elenin is still in the Soho C3 FOV. It will leave the FOV around 2000UT today. After that, probably your only hope of seeing it is with an Earth telescope. It will be in both Stereo A&B's HI2 FOV, but, it is too dim to be seen on either.
 Quoting: TBar1984


I KNOW this is a stupid question but I have to ask - why is it so dim?
 Quoting: Ozicell


The last image I saw was Behind HI1 and it was a strong image and moving like a bat out of hell .................... then nothing!

Just seems strange - that's all!
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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TBar, should we be able to see Elenin ANYWHERE at the moment?
 Quoting: Ozicell


Elenin is still in the Soho C3 FOV. It will leave the FOV around 2000UT today. After that, probably your only hope of seeing it is with an Earth telescope. It will be in both Stereo A&B's HI2 FOV, but, it is too dim to be seen on either.
 Quoting: TBar1984


I KNOW this is a stupid question but I have to ask - why is it so dim?
 Quoting: Ozicell


The last image I saw was Behind HI1 and it was a strong image and moving like a bat out of hell .................... then nothing!

Just seems strange - that's all!
 Quoting: Ozicell

Probably the major reason it is so dim, is that it lost most of it's water content. See [link to spaceobs.org]

Elenin hasn't been in the Stereo B HI1 FOV since Sept 4th. What was seen recently on Stereo B HI1 was 45p/Honda. Elenin was barely visible on Stereo A HI1 until Sept 22nd, it has been MIA since.

This is what it looked like on Stereo A HI1;

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Elenin is still in the Soho C3 FOV. It will leave the FOV around 2000UT today. After that, probably your only hope of seeing it is with an Earth telescope. It will be in both Stereo A&B's HI2 FOV, but, it is too dim to be seen on either.
 Quoting: TBar1984


I KNOW this is a stupid question but I have to ask - why is it so dim?
 Quoting: Ozicell


The last image I saw was Behind HI1 and it was a strong image and moving like a bat out of hell .................... then nothing!

Just seems strange - that's all!
 Quoting: Ozicell

Probably the major reason it is so dim, is that it lost most of it's water content. See [link to spaceobs.org]

Elenin hasn't been in the Stereo B HI1 FOV since Sept 4th. What was seen recently on Stereo B HI1 was 45p/Honda. Elenin was barely visible on Stereo A HI1 until Sept 22nd, it has been MIA since.

This is what it looked like on Stereo A HI1;


 Quoting: TBar1984


ELENIN and Honda exhibit the same visual characteristics on Stereo A&B HI1.

ELENIN on Stereo A HI1 for 20110917 looks the same as Comet Honda on Stereo B HI1 for date 20110925.

[link to secchi.nrl.navy.mil]

Don't you find it odd that ELENIN has been MIA recently? Why can't SOHO see it?
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I KNOW this is a stupid question but I have to ask - why is it so dim?
 Quoting: Ozicell


The last image I saw was Behind HI1 and it was a strong image and moving like a bat out of hell .................... then nothing!

Just seems strange - that's all!
 Quoting: Ozicell

Probably the major reason it is so dim, is that it lost most of it's water content. See [link to spaceobs.org]

Elenin hasn't been in the Stereo B HI1 FOV since Sept 4th. What was seen recently on Stereo B HI1 was 45p/Honda. Elenin was barely visible on Stereo A HI1 until Sept 22nd, it has been MIA since.

This is what it looked like on Stereo A HI1;


 Quoting: TBar1984


ELENIN and Honda exhibit the same visual characteristics on Stereo A&B HI1.

ELENIN on Stereo A HI1 for 20110917 looks the same as Comet Honda on Stereo B HI1 for date 20110925.

[link to secchi.nrl.navy.mil]

Don't you find it odd that ELENIN has been MIA recently? Why can't SOHO see it?
 Quoting: Bent

If you've had experience searching for objects on Soho C3, you would know that anything dimmer than around the low magnitude 10s is not visible. However, Stereo HI1 is capable of around 13. The last best guess on Elenin was around 10 to 11. My guess would be closer to 11. This explains why the Stereo HI1 could see Elenin but Soho can't. Not odd at all, in fact, when I first found Elenin on Stereo A, I remarked that it didn't look favorable for seeing it on Soho.

Around the 6:25 mark, "...not looking too good...maybe you'll be able to see something..." Then again at 12:30, "...maybe we'll get a good picture of it, and maybe we won't..."

It looked awful dim to me...

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Ok, so not seeing it on SOHO is no major conspiracy, I get it.

What about ELENIN and Honda looking very similar on Stereo A&B HI1 from the SECCHI site, ELENIN on Stereo A HI1 - 20110917 and Honda on Stereo B HI1 - 20110925? They look identical to me.
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I had an easier time seeing 45p/Honda, but, they are both on Stereo. Try this, go to [link to sohodata.nascom.nasa.gov] set it for C3 512 movie 2011-05-20 to 2011-05-27. Look at the Pleiades on C3. Now, go here [link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov] Behind HI1 512 Slideshow 20110915 to 20110925. Look at the Pleiades. Who has the better camera? The FOV is close, Soho C3 is about 16.7° while Stereo HI1 is 20°.

We need a new Soho...

ohyeah
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Is it at all possible that ELENIN did not reach the FOV of SOHO? Just asking for clarity.

Oh, and thanks for all the vids, they are clear and concise.
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You guys know this Elenin shit has been bumped up to being like 200 days longer right? I guess Terral03 "figured out" that he was tracking the wrong object.
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Is it at all possible that ELENIN did not reach the FOV of SOHO? Just asking for clarity.

Oh, and thanks for all the vids, they are clear and concise.
 Quoting: Bent


Elenin was right where it should have been on Stereo A HI1 right up to the day before it was due on Soho C3. I'm pretty sure it made C3 as scheduled.

Soho sucks. I hate trying to find anything on it. There are so many one frame wonders it makes it very difficult to find something dim. Think of the advances made on digital cameras since 1995. Think about what we could be seeing, it would be better than SDO.
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You guys know this Elenin shit has been bumped up to being like 200 days longer right? I guess Terral03 "figured out" that he was tracking the wrong object.
 Quoting: Tex Dingo


Not sure what you mean...there is so much wrong info out there, it makes your head spin.
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You guys know this Elenin shit has been bumped up to being like 200 days longer right? I guess Terral03 "figured out" that he was tracking the wrong object.
 Quoting: Tex Dingo


Not sure what you mean...there is so much wrong info out there, it makes your head spin.
 Quoting: Bent


Terral03 now thinks that he was tracking the wrong thing and apparently CW Leonis is actually the object that we should all be getting all doomy over. But obviously CW Leonis is NOT what we think it is. lol
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You guys know this Elenin shit has been bumped up to being like 200 days longer right? I guess Terral03 "figured out" that he was tracking the wrong object.
 Quoting: Tex Dingo


Not sure what you mean...there is so much wrong info out there, it makes your head spin.
 Quoting: Bent


Terral03 now thinks that he was tracking the wrong thing and apparently CW Leonis is actually the object that we should all be getting all doomy over. But obviously CW Leonis is NOT what we think it is. lol
 Quoting: Tex Dingo


I 'participated' in the chat at Freedom Slips. I'm aware of Terral's shenanigans. I don't think it will work, many have had enough. I hope Terral has a good survival plan for when the people that suffered from his 'plans' come to pay their respects. I would buy tickets...
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For those wanting to know how to enter the Stereo Orbital Elements into SNP & Stellarium, this video is for you;

Entering Orbital Elements; [link to www.starrynightsupport.com]

HORIZONS Web-Interface; [link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]

JPL/Horizons Parser for Stellarium; [link to projects.familie-steinel.de]

STEREO/SECCHI Imagers: Fields of View; [link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

The Heliospheric Imagers On-board the STEREO Mission; [link to www.sstd.rl.ac.uk]

SOHO Fact Sheet; [link to soho.esac.esa.int]






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