Political/economic systems brainstorm thread: Are we in need of a *new* system or should we stick with the old ones?

A goodly percentage of the problems are brought on by the corruption that is typical of a democracy.

The initial plan for the US was to have a Republic.

Here is a short video (7 minutes) that explains:
Titled "The Political Spectrum Explained"

[link to www.youtube.com]



The short video was extracted from a longer 29.5 minute video:
[link to video.google.com]

Hows this for an incentive: If I help this guy next to me, he will help me, then others will help him and my son can help me and I will help him etc. We have been brought up to believe it's a dog eat dog world, but that is not entirely true. If you take a trip somewhere you might find them. Now why do they act that way? they were brought up on in a good home, education was encouraged as well as creativity of the human spirit. Take that and compare it to the children who were beaten molested and sexually abused by parents or other entities, I think you might find an interesting correlation. this being if you are brought up in a positive environment you tend to radiate positivity kindness helpfulness and have a much more creative/productive potential than those who don't which radiate self preservation self advancement self concern and most of the time thinking only of "me myself and I. To quote a popular song

"you only get what you give"

Your thinking is correct people want to know whats in it for them. In the proposed society I think the incentive would be: wow I'm contributing to the development/ advancement of the human race as a whole! Because if I help advance humanity people will love me so others will then strive to help humanity and the cycle continues.

How do we get there? education. I can not stress this enough and I don't mean F***ing standardized tests. give kids philosophical questions, go the route of the Greeks Plato, Aristotle, things that aren't yes and no recalling this or that fact, but actually applying knowledge to the world, in this way education as we have taught it is outdated. God, education might even be fun.

But of course in the current society why educate people when you need dirt cheap labor or free labor or soldiers to go fight for some nationalistic value that in the first place is false because the United States is not run by the U.S anymore, it's run by private interests. don't believe me? go talk to a politician and find out if a majority of them do or don't have some corporate backing.


But I digress that is the society I want to live in, I could care less if it is based on currency or a bartering system as long as the embolden words are at the forefront of the society/ governments goal

You won't ever get a completely "free" monetary system. There are always scammers of one kind or another and simply those who want to be free-loaders.

You need professional full-time administration to run a money system.

One of the clearly identified problems with small start-ups of alternative or complementary currency systems has been the presumption that money systems can be "free."

However, the money system can be owned in a socialistic manner with professional administration where any profit after cost is returned to the people.

The concepts of mutual credit are first introduced on page 2, and many links and other alternatives appear in subsequent pages: Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments (Page 2)

What you are writing about sir, is the "Altruistic Society" or "Gifting Society" which territory is pretty well claimed by Robin Upton. His site is altruism dot org (linked somewhere in the thread [linked] in the post just above this one)

The historical evidence shows that gifting societies always collapsed when this extant model for money came on the scene. It has to do with the limitation on human memory. Money is social memory - nothing is ever truly "free;" the gifter actually does expect something in return.

Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments

Look for the link to Narayana Kocherlakota who formally proves in the mathematics of the professional economists that money is indeed "social memory."

We are hear to experience duality and learn from it. There is no single system that everyone will agree on. Our species are not developed enough to create any system without the seeds of corruption immediately emerging. We live with anarchy all around use no matter what system TPTB try to push upon us. And that is our fate until we evolve into the 4th or 5th density reality.

We went to the fucking moon without capitalism making it happen, retard. Well perhaps the wrong place to mention the moon trip.

Apparently you haven't read the Constitution. It already guarantees its protection of money, and that was quickly circumvented by the "Hurray for me and Shit on You" principle which underlies our evil fucking creation.

Apparently you have nothing but negativity to contribut so get off this thread and move on if you havent already.

What you call negativity I call reality.

And I've seen utopian community attempts. They do exist currently (around small university towns). But don't forget the underlying fact built into humanity is "hurray for me and shit on you" and only a few weak links are needed to break the chain. It is Murphy's law which dictates that chain will be broken. And that IS science.

No need to repeat your nonsense. I'm sure you are one of the weaks links that fuck up the community. Go somewhere else, spreading your outdated views.

And when you've exiled all of your unrehabilitatable black sheep (by shunning them or by force), what will you do if they form an army against you? Or do you believe black sheep are unnatural?

And who gets the prettiest mates? Will they be shared? Or does physical attraction become uniform in utopia?

The bottom line is you don't want to get down to brass tacks. You prefer wishy washy bs.

So wishy washy you shall get.

SORRY...HAVE NOT FIGURED OUT HOW TO QUOTE SOMEONE

You won't ever get a completely "free" monetary system. There are always scammers of one kind or another and simply those who want to be free-loaders.

You need professional full-time administration to run a money system.

One of the clearly identified problems with small start-ups of alternative or complementary currency systems has been the presumption that money systems can be "free."

However, the money system can be owned in a socialistic manner with professional administration where any profit after cost is returned to the people.

The concepts of mutual credit are first introduced on page 2, and many links and other alternatives appear in subsequent pages: Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments (Page 2)

RESPONSE:

The above was a great post!

This is the beauty of the Sovereign Collective concept. Each group can work with money if they like, set up the rules (or lack of control) in their own environment. There are many cultures that thrive without money!

They (the elite) want you to think that you could not breath without their money and other structures!

These groups would also be small enough to prevent any over arching control structures and the wide spread financial contagion from taking hold.

Simple, pure and beautiful! I just wish others would take the time to properly do their own research. Education is the way to prevail.

Much Love!