Will the real Jesus please stand up?

Hi Ravenous,

I keep losing my posts before I post them, and I lost my reply to your post too, and I am going to "redo" it tomorrow. I guess it's tomorrow now, so I mean later. But in case you come back before I arrive later, I wanted to let you know that I am kind of "in love" with your true root idea.

I shall now go and gather all my best defenses and hunt down the mysterious evil force that exists in my living room whose hideous name, when it was revealed and became known to the truly seeking among the many non-seeking, is operator error.

I'm thinking it should be illegal to try to be funny at 5:00 in the morning.

Good night to you, Ravenous, and to all of the rest of you as well.

I was going to go to sleep, but now that I see where you are from, I'm wondering if you are still there (???)

I'm still awake, and it's going to be hard to switch back to my regular sleeping hours when this thread has run its course, but this has been really worth it for me so far.

Anyway, I forgot to ask y'all a question. I had noticed posters discussing new age things, and I have seen so many varying opinions on this forum and elsewhere on what it is and isn't that I am unclear what the most central aspects of it are.

So, the answer is probably no, but does anyone know of any source(s) that is considered to be even a halfway reliable description of the new age?

Last Edited by Jenann on 09/22/2011 06:38 AM

Also, there was discussion of light beams. I am going to have to go back and read those posts again. The discussion reminded me that TW had posted the first verse from the Gospel of John which contains references to the "Word", and that the word "Light" is used in that chapter as well (more than just once). Does anybody want to talk about what these things mean? I might not be awake if and when it gets discussed, but I am curious to see what you think of these words and how they are used.

It seemed pretty clear at the time:

Re: Today I Denounce My Catholic Faith & Publicly Protest This Corrupted Institution







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archiving from a thread on will the real jesus stand up.




you have exactly NO idea who and what Jesus is or was in this comment above I bolded. People, if you are going to become cosmic folks, you have got to do better than this. This is childish. completely childish idea of Jesus and God. IT never ceases to amaze me because God gave you are MIND. You are in FACT your mind. Your body just transports you around on this world. YOUR MIND IS YOUR TEMPLE OF GOD. YOU body is a buiilding for your mind.

PLEASe think these things thru before they come out of your fingers. I am not being mean here. I am being factual. The ascension of this world is about it coming out of being a PRISON WARD for mean people and for people with childish minds. The people staying with this world are going to enter back into COSMIC activities. :best you can do?:

This is real life.

And you have been given humble opinions.

Take them or leave them.

But, keep in mind, those opinions are the only reason for posting on this site.




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these are light beam craft and if you expect to be lifted from this world IN YOUR BODY for your next incredible experience, when the big shit hit hits the fan, you best board craft. This is your "rapture" out of here.

Good morning Mary,

Every post is because of love.

For you, Jen, everyone @ GLP (even -894 Mr. C)

We have discussed 'continual sacrifice' in the past and it was never defined as a 'personal sacrifice'.

Perhaps you are thinking of someone else.

For the record: You should not abandon your church.




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yes he should. Unless he can cause change within it. these are immensely inferior. I have never been able to understand them. I could not growing up and I made effort to understand an evangelical church close to me, for 5 months and couldn't do it anymore. They are socials and mediocre social at that. I never found god in a single one. YOU ARe GOD, not these organizations. if your churches will not walk in the shoes of god, find and participate n other organizations that do. 911 groups, environmental groups and the like. give your god power over to something useful. Religion is mediocre. Jesus did NOT found these, Man did, and most are created to control people and they do it well.

Well, here's the thing about God: God will show us the way, but God will NOT do it for us.........we must do the work!

"Faith without works is dead"......Can we raise our own frequency without God? NEVER! But God is there for us, so that we might align ourselves with THAT Great Light of Awareness! imho

That reminds me of a study I did years ago. In the Greek there's actually a cute play on words I forget the details, but it's on the order of "faith without works doesn't work."

LOL......obviously you have confused me with somebody else!?! For I "mislead" no-ONE!


That is incorrect: You lead people to a book about Jesus.......I lead people to the Man Himself!(now how is THAT "mysticism"?)


Again you are mistaken: For Man CANNOT become God! Those 2 terms are exclusive of one another......Man can become "One with God", but NOT God! There's a difference!!!

So I guess that means YOU have misjudged me!?! :(

Last Edited by ObeWayneKenobe on 09/22/2011 11:46 AM

Methinks those Greeks were pretty smart fellers......;)

I refer you back to what I said to you about my motives. If you choose not to believe me, well then that will be your decision. If you choose to believe that my motives are true, but my methods of encouraging him were unwise, then I can't help you with that on this forum.

If it comes down to your deeply heartfelt concern for me walking down a path that is not good for me, then I will gladly drive out to New Albany with my husband or a intimately close friend, and we can talk about it.

This next thing is for you and you alone, because I'm not getting into it here.

There is something that Paul says in the NT, and I can't remember where, but it might have been in Ephesus, where it appears he is applauding the people for idol worship, but what he was really doing was something very different.

You can choose to look into that and inform yourself about what I'm saying if you care to.

I spent the last hour tracking down your former posts so that I could expose you as a false teacher. The sentence preceding this one is a total fabrication.

Now I will proceed to the business at hand.

Last Edited by Jenann on 09/22/2011 04:46 PM

No hard feelings Fidokrab,

As a Catholic, I can't convince or everyone remains silent
to the fact personal interpretation of Scripture is heresy.

Look at it's fruit. Everyone deciding the meaning of Scripture resulting in thousands of different Protestant
churches. I should call them communities but you know what
I mean, simply put Jesus established only one Church
and everyone else broke away. God gave the gift to determine the Canon so it fits, the same applies to the
interpretation of Scripture.

Read the Douay-Rheims Bible. Her footnotes help to undrstand why the Church teaches what she does. Not one
verse in the entire Bible conflicts with another if you
follow the Church, her interpretation of Scripture.


[link to www.drbo.org]

Here is the very first business, and it is a public statement that I am making to my co-hosts, Troubled Waters and Live and Love, who have been really amazing here, and who confirm to me that my notion of making this a one person OP on the topic would be unwise. We planned it ahead of time, even changing the start date, and we are praying for God's voice to come through here, as our own voices alone have zero ability to say anything of significance on the topic.

That being said, God works through very imperfect people, and sometimes we say things in a weird way, but if God is leading us, then by definition, his intentions will be stated regardless of how ridiculous we can be.

Now TW and Life and Love, I will ask you to do something for me that I think will be important here in some way.

IF YOU BELIEVE THAT I AM BEING CORRUPT OR OTHERWISE FALSE AND THAT I AM SOMEHOW DAMAGING GOD'S REPUTATION IN THE WORLD, THEN I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE SEND ME A MESSAGE AND TELL ME EXACTLY WHY. YOU WON'T BE HURTING MY FEELINGS, BY THE WAY.

THEN, IF YOU FEEL THIS WAY, WOULD YOU PLEASE CONSIDER TAKING OVER THE LEAD ON THIS THREAD?

This is a clarification for everyone:

God's reputation can't literally be damaged because he is just that...God. But a person can say things about him or his word that might contribute to keeping someone away from him who might otherwise be eager to find out about him. Example: there was a religious figure who said that 9/11 was God's judgment on us here. I can't remember if he meant the whole country or the specific areas that were involved. I don't particularly like slamming him publically, and that would not usually be how I operate, but right now I think that is an example that might be clear to the majority of us here.

Jen,

You are most kind, I give you a hug.

I had a feeling because of your response in AG's "Saved"
thread, that you understand more. The Great Warning, when it happens, it's going to be excruciating for us all seeing our lives in review but I think you are one non-Catholic who is going to say "yes." I must say to follow, there are going to be "Catholics" who say "no" to the merciful gift of the Great Warning. The 2nd Pentecost.

I understood what you meant about the visual images we
see when we read Scripture.

And about Daniel, I love him and he is a true gentleman,
we just don't agree on faith. He's so close to understanding bu stubborn. Me too.

Your thread subject has helped me look at Scripture.

Today, I found in looking in Scripture, another reference
to Our Lord's divinity. The reason the Jewish authorities were so angry with Our Lord, how dare He...to them anyway.

John 10:36-37
Do you say of him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world: Thou blasphemest, because I said, I am the Son of God? 37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not

Let's talk about the 3 main religions Judaism, Catholicism and Islam.

They each have their own calendars for their foundations. The jewish moon calendar and the Catholic Gregorian calendar and the Muslim calendar.

Now when these 3 major religions reach Jesus Christ mentality they will drop their calendar systems and merge as one into the New Jerusalem Christianity calendar system and then the other religions will fall in line.


The New Jerusalem is the ONE GOD system


One God, One Messiah Jesus Christ, One calendar and holiday system.

Pentecost is about being ONE


New Jerusalem with King James Bible list of important days

0/0 --------------- ALPHA OMEGA NEW YEAR DAY ***( NIAGARA FALLS VERNAL EQUILUX)
MAR 1/10 ------ PALM TUESDAY- PASSOVER LAMB JESUS COMES TO JERUSALEM
MAR 1/14 ------ PASSOVER SATURDAY
MAR 1/15-21 -- FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD
MAR 1/22 ------ EASTER SUNDAY - Jesus is Risen
APR 2/27 ------- MOTHER’S DAY
APR 2/31 ------- ASCENSION DAY THURSDAY(40 DAYS AFTER EASTER)
MAY 3/10 ------ PENTECOST SUNDAY(50 DAYS AFTER EASTER)
JUN 4/1 -------- FATHER’S DAY
JUN 4/15-22 --- GOD’S INDEPENDENCE CELEBRATION
SEPT 7/1 ------- FEAST OF TRUMPETS - JESUS BIRTHDAY
SEPT 7/10 ------ DAY OF ATONEMENT ***(NIAGARA FALLS AUTUMNAL EQUILUX)
SEPT 7/15-21 -- FEAST OF TABERNACLES
SEPT 7/22 ------ LAST GREAT DAY
OCT 8/16 ------- HALLOWEEN
NOV 9/7--------- THANKSGIVING
NOV 9/11 ------ TRUTH DAY
DEC 10/1-8 ---- FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS CHRISTMAS - JESUS CONCEPTION
JAN 11/30 ------ LOVE DAY
FEB 12/14-15 -- FEAST OF PURIM




[link to newjerusalemcalendar.com]


Fri Sept 7/6/11

Now, there are some really exciting things I wanted to tell you about, because it's so completely obvious to me that God has sought my attention on something in a pretty big way. I hope it makes sense, but please tell me if it doesn't.

You know that person who you might see on tv or in the movies who is up in the morning and who looks and acts like it's going to be a long time before you can engage them about anything because somehow even awake they look kind of dead and that you can almost predict that they won't be able to talk to anyone before they've had their coffee, and they might even snap at you if they try?

Well, that is how I am. So, I woke up today, feeling uncharacteristically alive, and a flood of very detailed thoughts came to me about some things and they were all related to one thing which I will get to soon. (I usually think about self focused things immediately like what a drag it is going to be to comb through my hair, or I wish the coffee fairy had made me coffee because I don't feel like it, but I have to, or the hope that so and so will remember something they are supposed to bring home today, but I know they won't even though I've reminded them about it five times.

To be continued for the sake of not losing this post to my operator error friend.

Thanks for confirming my thought that you have given me the benefit of the doubt! In fifteen minutes, I'm going to the airport, and I'm flying out to wherever you are in central time so I can give you a hug in person...not really, obviously, but I wish that was true!

And thanks for saying that about being encouraged by the thread topic to look at scripture. I knew I wanted to talk about who God is in some way, and I really didn't know which aspect to present as the topic, and then there was the "now that I think I want it to be about the deity of Christ, is that him telling me that or is it just me mindlessly musing, but I'm going forth and doing it anyway", and the "who should I ask ahead of time to co-host", and "whatever shall the title of the thread be?", and that all worked out fine somehow.

I'm posting this now so I don't lose it, but there' are a couple of other things I want to tell you that I will type immediately thereafter.

"For this is Life Eternal, that ye might know God"!

Nothing like learning from each other........:)

Hi Nobody,

That felt pretty weird abbreviating your ID like that..lol!

It seems I always miss you when you are "here", but thanks for coming back.

I don't know what you mean when you say "you are God" (maybe you can explain it to me later???).

Wait a minute, were you the one who said something about having been on GLP posting many comments about your beliefs, and then posted a link for us? If you are, I forgot to check, and I'm behind on this sort of thing.
Sorry about that!

I would have to think there is not a "church" group on this earth that is not in some way affected by the trappings of human beings, even my own. Even if a person "worshipped" in a tiny group of say, two or three other people who have a reputation of being very wise and mature, there would be imperfection, in my opinion.

I guess maybe we have to ask God to show us where he wants us and to protect us from the places he doesn't want us???

Hi OBE,

I was just going to continue my comment to Mary, but I don't think she's on, and now I see you are here!

Can you remind me where your quote is? And I really like it, by the way. It would seem that God is pretty personal, and that we don't have to go around completely in the dark not having any clues about what eternal life is. I wish I had thought of that one...lol!

we need the root, without it we are running around like chickens without heads.

Jesus told peter, that his name was petros, a small rock, he then said "and upon this rock (petra) he would build his church.

there is a play on the words and the churches have utilized this word play to its full advantage. they have made believers think/believe they will burn in hell without the association of the church.

but this is an impossibility, and it goes against everything Jesus has told us in the bible. we aren't saved by being associated with anything. and Jesus tells you in revelations that many come saying "Lord, Lord"

and he also tells you that they are sent away because he never knew them, despite the wonderful things they have done.

this is a warning to all, that churches apparently are more geared towards damning you than your salvation.

the Lord seeks a personal relationship, he always has, just like the Father.

the play on words was peter being the small pebble, but the foundation was the rock, petra. Jesus was referring to himself as the rock/foundation of the church.

but the mainstream churches teach peter as being the foundation of the faith. which is absurd on a totally different level. sure peter did visit rome, which he referred to as babylon, but all in all, it was a short visit that cost him his life, paul on the other hand was preaching teaching and sharing the word for around 3 years, as well as being the apostle that lead the gentiles to the Lord with his ministry.

so, who was the first pope? really.......

the church as far as i can tell is comprised of individuals that work as one.

not, a conglomeration of individuals doing their own thing. and yet, we have how many different christian churches?

and how is that of God? he isn't the author of confusion. so, it's apparent something is very wrong.

we need to find the true root/foundation.

we are told by our Lord that the Holy Spirit is the one who would guide us into all truths. it is very unfortunate that nobody truly seeks out the spirit.

which leads you to wonder even more about something else Jesus said....

"Truly, will I find faith when I return?"

Hi Russ,

It seems like I keep missing people I've never met.

I must admit that I know nothing about what you have posted, but I recognize and understand to a degree what the Jewishs feasts are. Your reference to Niagra Falls leads me to believe you are presenting something very specific.

My plan was to look into, even if it was just a little peek, the various concepts that people might bring to this thread. The plan is still on, and it may end up continuing after the thread ends, as I am woefully behind on trying to understand them.

In the meantime, I have a question for you that maybe you can help me understand...

I was on a thread not too long ago, and I can't even remember what it was about. I made what I thought was a reasonably pleasant comment about the Bible term, "New Jerusalem" from the book of Revelation.

I would not have brought something like that up if it was unrelated to what was being discussed, and I wouldn't have used such a specific term if I thought it was going to be objectionable. If I knew ahead of time it was going to be so offensive, I would have discussed the concept exclusively without even mentioning the term.

It is probable (I can't remember exactly what I said about it) that I specifically referred to its joyful characteristics like no darkness or sadness or something along those lines since that's where my mind goes when something here on earth is really bothering me. It's one of the ways God helps me keep on keeping on.

What happened after I said whatever I said was swift and full of anger. Someone slammed me real hard about it just for mentioning it, and I have no idea why. The slamming part didn't hurt my feelings, but it sure made me immediately aware that there is something going on with that term that an unknown number of people seem to hate.

Hi again, Ravenous!

I sincerely believe that your "definition" of the church is very consistent with what God lays out in the Bible. And somewhere earlier tonight I think I said that even my own fellowship (which started as some people who decided to do a Bible study together) cannot be without its own human sorts of trappings.

I do think there are groups out there that God uses even though they are imperfect just like he used the faithful but flawed Abraham. I think you pointed to just how carefully we need to work out where we will go, and I guess if we start to see people saying how much they love their "church" because of some format or location or even teacher, then there is a problem because of the lack of mention about all the things about God they've learned.

On an interesting note, earlier this year I visited a local congregation of a very well known main line church, and I had visited one somewhere else before, and I have to tell you, the one from before was really kind of dead, but this more recent one was on fire for God, and the first thing I thought to say about it to the many persons I visited with was how the pastor/minister had reminded me about some things about God that are wonderfully amazing.

I don't know how many of our posts you've read here, so this may make no sense to you, but the location of the church is has become very amusing to me since we started this thread. It's in New Albany, Ohio, which is about a 35 minute drive from where I live.

Ravenous,

While I was laughing about New Albany, I totally forgot to ask you a question that is important to me, because I really don't know how to answer it right now.

Your first post mentioned the enormity of the task of getting to the root, and I can't agree with you more. It would be easier just not to do it, but the benefits would far outweigh what a pain it would be on some levels.

So...Do you have any thoughts on just one or even two little things people could do to get started on returning to the root if they think they've gotten away from the root, or even if they've never "belonged" anywhere (not even a tiny group of three) and have developed an interest in these things?

This has been my own way of dealing through overwhelming and monumental things in life. I still get stuck sometimes, but a lot of time it actually works.

By the way, I meant practical things, and on top of that I should add even more importantly, that it would have to involve a lot of prayer behind the scenes while the little things are going on and even before starting.

the patristic writting would help, provided you are looking at writting 300 years or earlier, from the time Jesus ascended.

the writting of the apostles, then the writtings of those they taught.

the bible itself if examined carefully is the best though, but it is tricky.

you haft to basicallyy forget everything you have learned or been taught, start over with baby steps. lots of prayer and faith you will get answers.

they will occur to you. the Holy Spirit will guide/teach/lead you.

but you will be dealing big time with the man made stumbling blocks.

the thing is with the churches, they have taught a truth, but they have twisted the understanding to suit their needs.

the truth is still in the bible, it is God's word, not a mans.

i had wondered about the validity of the bible once, i got an answer as well. the answer was, "it is more than sufficient....."

so, the only other option is to get understanding, wisdom.

this is something of the Holy Spirit, sophia.

wisdom is justified by her children, and wisdom has stated; He who love me love's life, He who hates me love's death.

the Holy Spirit is the helper, and woman is mans helper.

and when you examine the imaculate conception, you will notice something awesome.

the Holy Spirit was upon mary and the spirit of God came down upon her.

if you remove mary from the whole situation, the Holy Spirit was laying down and the spirit of God came down upon her.

mary was the vessel chosen to carry the fruit of the union of Holy Spirit and God.

Jesus....

way off topic i know, but read it for yourself carfully and see for yourself.