Will the real Jesus please stand up?

Sometimes running away is easier than facing cognitive dissonance... especially for those with a burning need to be "right."

nah- maybe just Mary.

The OP has a busy schedule.




:)

it isn't about being wrong or right. its about finishing the race and the victory line.

the people here today that i have noticed so far for the mosst part put their full faith into the validity of the church, and to the gospel as they (the church) preach's it.

but somewhere along the line, they put what God, Jesus, Holy Spirit and even those apostles on a back burner somewhere.

they are kings and priests, they are children of the most High living God.

they are unique. they are precious to God, yet they listen to what other men were led to speak, yet forget, they also have those very same rights.

we are all disciples of Christ, just like the apostles.

and chances ar good, we are also apostles in part as well.

we was't apointed by Jesus 2000 years ago, but if we pick up our cross and follow, then how are we different really?

do we not proclaim the kingdom of God as well? and in some cases do more than a pastor?

believers do not go before people usually proclaiming, "do as I do!" like a preacher might.

they do how ever set the example for others to follow.......

they are down trodden, and it's apparent they are malnourished.

if they would have been fed what they should have, they would stand alot taller, and perhaps be much more opinionated/speaking the word and its true meaning.

and ultimately learning, examining themselves and faith.

theres a boldness issue thats missing here, a few like yourself and daniel have it. i haven't read the entire thread either, but so far there is a lack of it.

Hi Mary! I actually like your term better now that I'm looking at the two together. It would be very easy for someone to think I meant that there was some predicted events that should have happened but didn't and never will.

The doctor thing was not too bad, and the sleepiness really helped in this case.

I am home much later than I thought I would be. I accidentally lost my husband...lol. What I mean is we both had somewhere we needed to be on the same side of town at about the same time, so we drove together. Then we had a mixup about where I was picking him up later because I thought he and his guy friends were going somewhere to grab a bite and a beer after their meeting, and I was completely wrong about that. And he is one who does not carry a cell phone outside of work. I was calling all my friends to get them to call their husbands, and none of them answered the phone....It's funny how these misunderstandings happen when you see the person every day!

Mary, I'm assuming this is you with a different number. I so agree with you about TW's love for Christ (hi to you TW if you are there), and I wanted to let you know that this was the exact same thing I was thinking of you much earlier today, and that I had planned to tell you that before I saw your post.

Even through the misunderstandings we've had it has become very clear to me that you love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength. And I have developed a sisterly affection for you that I think has something to do with who you are and who I am, and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots more about who and what and how God is.

A slam, figures. You preach what you do not do. Take it up
with Our Lord.

Thanks for your kind reply. What did we all do before cell phones? I bet your husband was worried about your visit to the doctor, nice you both met later...

Light Beam technology, is how the Masters heal........among other things, like manifesting tangible material, for the peoples needs!

You'll learn more about that as you progress into the Higher frequencies! :)

I do appreciate however, that you are attempting to use an original bible for your studies........however, eventually you are going to find that even they have been tampered with! :(

Last Edited by ObeWayneKenobe on 09/22/2011 12:21 AM

Thank you so much, and I continue to be happy that you are here. It's hard to completely express how meaningful that is to me coming from someone with a different view (than mine), of things. I've had all sorts of self focused little worries about things like, "what am I going to do if someone doesn't like my tendency to be academic?, and what am I going to do if someone thinks that I think because of those tendencies I am better than them when in reality I don't feel that way at all?" I wish I could tell you that was the extent of it...lol! I think God is definitely helping us out here and being pretty darn patient with me and my behind the scenes "foolishness". He is pretty amazing in so many ways.

ravenous,

You say there are "many translators." I guess you mean there are many translations. That's true and another truth, there had to be a first Bible.

I am talking about the fact someone had to decide which writings were divine. Someone named the Canon.

Pope Damasus decided the Canon, it remains the same today.
Luther threw out the Old Testament Canon Our Lord and the
disciples quoted from most often, the Septuagint.

St. Jerome translated the Greek and the Hebrew into the
"common" language of the time, Latin. The Latin Vulgate
is the first Bible.

~ ~ ~

How the Canon of the Bible (the official catalogue of inspired books) was officially declared.

All books that were considered for the Cannon, but not included were called Apocrypha, and thus declared not inspired.
362 A.D. Catholic Church's Council of Rome defines the Canon of Holy Scripture.
382 Pope Damasus issues a listing of the present OT and NT Canon of 73 books
383 Saint Jerome translates the Latin Vulgate from Greek & Hebrew
393 Council of Hippo (North Africa) approves the present Canon of 73 books
397 Council of Constantinople produces first bound Bible (the Vulgate: previously, all
were separate books)
397 Council of Carthage (North Africa) approves the same OT and NT canon
405 Pope Saint Innocent I approves the Canon again and closes it (with 73 books)

Even in my darkest hours, God was there for me......waiting and watching, holding my hand in the unseen world, comforting me through the mist!

....And sometimes we take God into some pretty dark places, don't we?......yet God's Love lingers! I marvel at the whole process.....what an adventure this has been! Thank you Lord! :)

Being that I believe that God and Jesus are one, I suppose I could say that I mean God knowingly and willingly sacrificed himself.

Obe,

What are "higher frequencies?" I am trying to learn.
I wish I could read Latin, then I would be fine with the
Vulgate and not need the English translation.

We all wish to come closest the the "words" of Christ.

It was more the time, my mother took Latin for four years in
High School.

Well, I could agree with you.....but then we'd both be wrong! (chuckle)....;)

Wow! I kid you not...there are some tears welling up in my eyes right now. Thank you for such a kind comment. I probably mentioned somewhere before that I really try hard not to always trust my feelings, but I'm telling you, I'm "feeling" God's presence in a pretty big way right now. He must not think the internet is a ridiculous place to talk about him!

Oh yes, my Ac number changed, I'll try to remember to sign
my name. TW has a loving heart and strong devotion
to Our Lord. I like that he starts quite a few Christian threads now.

When we see two suns, there will be a lot more...asking
questions of faith.

All the folks I talked to here, it's either going to happen
or that Ac Mary they'll think was quite nuts. Jen, I've
posted since 07.

Well, you could say that everything of a Godly nature projects outward(gives and re-gives), much like a Sun does in the Cosmos........only with God, everything is in " pulsed Light waves"(as Light is the Universal Language.....not sound....sound is simply Light slowed down).

Now the Frequency upon which this signal(Gods frequency) is manifested into our dimension is set(and very definable)........all other frequencies are a result of a slowing down/reduction in nature of the Main Frequency that we might call God!(Very High, and very pure!)

As one raises the frequency of their own being, to match that of the Higher Source(God).......then communication becomes a lot more clear, and understood!

Now we are coming into a Galactic Summertime so to speak(A Time of Radiance), where the earth and its inhabitants are experiencing a lifting of our current frequency.......so we can expect some very interesting connections in the days ahead! :)

Last Edited by ObeWayneKenobe on 09/22/2011 01:04 AM

Hi Daniel,

I can actually think of a few different ways to answer that, and by that I don't mean that there are several different answers. I'm going to have to think of how to best explain what I believe about that and how it might be meaningful in the context of this thread.

I agree! Shouldn't be long now!!!

Oh look, the obvious new ager (who claims his new age beliefs don't fall under 'new age') is here to mislead the unsuspecting.

We have one thing in common, Obe, and that is we are both fishers of men. The only difference is, I lead them to Jesus, and you lead them to mysticism.

All new age beliefs revolve around this core luciferian idea, and that is that man can become god. This is essentially what you believe.

Obe,

I loved your explanation, God is the light and of course has the highest frequency. In the new time, the 7th Day, those who make it will be full of light. The "light" on earth will be different. I don't think there will be need of a sun if you can imagine. This is from "yet to be approved private revelation"...the messages from Heaven.

Listening to a talk recently about this "light" from God,
the speaker, Father said...Our Lord had to dim the light
about Him it was so great. And the two exceptions where
Jesus didn't was at His birth and if I remember, at the
Transfiguration.

I disagree about "As one raises the frequency of their
own being"...

Not us but God, correct? God raises our frequency...
He is the One never us.

Any belief system that rejects or twists the divinity of Jesus is false. The new age agenda wants you to believe that you can save yourself. ...and your sins ... don't worry about it, it's not real they say! Everything is an illusion.. just have pleasure in your sins, and pretend you love everyone. Just lie to yourself and you'll ascend to 34th density or whatever.

Meditate harder, eat more healthy to open that third eye, avoid negative energy, take mind altering substances, etc. etc., does this not sound like religious practices to any of you? The new age is religious, in fact, VERY religious. If any of you think you can work your way into whatever fantasized paradise you can imagine, you're deceived.

Only the grace of God through Jesus Christ can save your soul. If you think you got it right because some demonic dingbat from the astral realm taught you otherwise, then you'll be in hellfire being tormented by that same demonic entity.

It's time to stop believing what others say about Jesus, and pick up your Bible and find out yourself who exactly Jesus is.

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Hey Daniel-

Always sharing the "rules" and never keeping them yourself.

God's rules too. Be loving.

Your snarky remarks to me are because you reject so much
of the Truth. You can only slam not discuss. The "continual sacrifice" is not our personal sacrifices.

I showed in Scripture previous, the Apostles ordained other priests in Acts 6:1-7. How long are you going to reject
the New Covenant ministerial priesthood?

Made greater in the New....yes!

I was not commending him for giving up his Catholic church, and I knew full well that would not be totally clear to him by my comment!!! My commending him had everything to do with what I viewed as his budding desire to take a real look at what he did and did not believe and whether it had to do with him and God or something else. It seemed pretty clear to me--and yes, like everyone else here I am often wrong so I might be wrong about that--that he never had made a decision in the first place if that particular church, regardless of its label, was where he wanted to be. I honestly had never heard of probably more than half of the things he was talking about, and I've come to know (not their hearts so you know that I exactly mean what they have exactly told me) a fair number of Catholics. I went back to his thread later without commenting and saw gobs and gobs of other things I never heard of.

Now, I will state that I prefer (as in your comment above) that you not make assumptions about me. And, I have decided to come out publicly and say that I think we have been in an accuse and defend pattern. I have decided that I am not participating in that type of pattern any longer, and that I think it is has the potential to become dividing. I still think you have thoughts that could make a real difference here. And because I like you, and have from the time I first encountered your posts, I am going to say something that you may not like, but is meant for good in our friendship.

It is a question for which I do not desire or need an answer: If you met someone in "real life" and had become aware that they seem to share some of your beliefs but who did not exactly state them according to your view of correctness, would you choose to say things that appear to them that you are picking on something in the neighborhood of every three or four of their sentences?

Religions are all man-made. There is One Lord so one Truth, so one faith so one Church,

Perfectly correct until your last few words. How is knowing
the truth happen when you interpret the Scripture personally? God gave the gift to interpret Scripture to
the Church. The same Church who gave you your Bible.

How can there be such a "blindness" to this fact.

"Find out yourself" is a heresy and the world sees the fruit...38,000 Protestant communities, one started every week since the 1517.

God the Holy Spirit does not inspire 38,000 differing
groups.

..."since the 1517."

Rats, taking out the "the"...

..."since 1517."

How come no one replies to the Catholic proof of a ministerial
priesthood written in Scripture?

The door is slammed shut even when you show it's Scriptural.

I'll hang on to the prophetic, a vision of Protestants
coming to belief in the most Holy Eucharist after the
Great Warning.

Right before I saw your post, Life and Love, the poster's ID reminded me that I wish I had never heard of EMP attacks because they're really rather frightening. I don't mean that it shouldn't be an ID, because as an ID it is really clever and funny in a good way.

Daniel,

I will only refer you back to my most recet post to you.

I had no idea you've been here since then. I've been here since 2011...lol. I have more to say, but I was pretty stuck in an indecision about something here this evening, and it has taken quite a while to get to this post. And I'm going to be pretty sad when I get to the end of what all has been talked about here tonight and find that I missed you because of how long I spent pondering how to say difficult things.

I would like you to know (because I felt I should talk to you about this personally) that I have never been of the belief that the Catholic church should be banned (and mentioning it here doesn't mean I want to get into the Catholic/Protestant thing...lol). My best friend from the growing up years was and still is Catholic, and we are still in touch with each other and I love her dearly. She would be able to confirm that I have never held that opinion, but it seems that is entirely unnecessary since you have given me the benefit of the doubt, and I thank you for that.

I actually have no regrets over my post that was referenced by Daniel. And I can't say that about some other comments I've made on other threads. I was trying to offer the guy some sort of encouragement in his seeking, and I was kind of concerned that he might do the pendulum swing and abandon the whole God thing entirely, and my overall message to him was about seeking Jesus. Anyway, I spelled out my motives in detail in response to Daniel if you are interested.

Hey, on another topic, I was wondering if you found my reply to your question about what I meant by pictures of Christ in the the OT. I think it's pretty important...not because I said it, but because of how incredibly and amazingly rich the tapestry that God has woven in his word is. (awkward sentence...too tired to fix it...hope you get it.) I see by saying "not because I said it" that I am unnecessarily pre-defending myself, so I haven't stopped defending. I'm leaving that sentence there as a reminder to myself.

Apparently there is one anti-christ going around trying to set up a false rapture. Remember if it is a choice it isn't real, don't go.

Jesus is currently in Heaven getting ready to open up another seal as far as I'm aware.