TWO WITNESSES--What do They Witness About?

New Zealand do you ever research anything for it's core root meaning,,,Like the word clouds as found in 1Thessalonians 4:17 Do you know what the word clouds is being used as in that scripture,,,oh you think it's referring to an actual cloud of marsh mellows. Go get a Strong's concordance and figure this one out.

They have changed the root meaning of the word Rapture throughout the years as of late & this one is a no brainer if you take heed to what I have warned you about.

The rapture doctrine of devils as found in 1Timothy 4:1 started in the early to mid 1800's & finally took a foothold in the mainstream churches at the turn of the century. You should know atleast what that word RAPTURE implied & what it meant back then when that false doctrine first came to be.

It is also a doctrine not taught by the Apostles nor did they give it that interpretation or meaning. Most of what is written cannot be taken literally. Do your homework first & then give an accurate report.The scriptures are not just two days old ya know! The scriptures come from old Times and the words used had a lot of different meanings back then.

Martin

Last Edited by gd2balive on 10/25/2011 01:07 AM

I believe they will witness the truth.
The truth about which denomination is correct.
The truth about the existance of the NWO/illuminati.
They will make prophecies and predictions and they
will be correct 100% of the time. In revelation it
says several times "they have power". So God will
give them the power to do as they see fit.
My take is that God allowed so much evil and power
to be placed in many elite hands at the top and
he will destroy them by giving enormous power to
two individuals at the bottom. The first will be last
and the last will be first.

You are more funnier than all get out, all things are as they should be and you know it. Looks like you are getting a bit nervous of what is currently going on at the hands of the man who rules himself. It sure seems that way. Free will to do as one chooses, is that to hard to understand.

Seems like the man has done a pretty poor job & I think we can both agree on that.

Martin Joseph en`eng`ko

Here is what I know to be true.

The two witnesses have already been chosen as they have witnessed the first miracle of the Kingdom of God, which is how they came to be selected as the two witnesses. I understand that one of them is Jewish and one is Catholic.

In the chosen, God finds love.

Last Edited by SoulwalkerNZ on 10/25/2011 03:27 AM

Words are but frail messengers BUT I reiterate - Rapture, the word, pre-dates the turn of the century. Try 1600's. The verses quoted were actually from a LITERAL translation, which retains the literal meaning is retained better than most translations.

The root Greek word for "shall be caught up" is "harpazo" <Strongs's concordance #726> and means "to seize, catch up, carry off by force, snatch out or away" which is pretty much the same meaning as "rapiemur"...which is probably why Jerome translated that way!

If we all thought your way then the world would still be flat, and the sun would be orbiting the Earth. New ways of looking at things don't make them inherently wrong by your interpretation.

I have better things to do with my time than e-arguing. So you believe what you like, I really don't care.

That meant to read.. "New ways of looking at things don't make them inherently wrong, contrary to your interpretation."

the text that was edited, guess u can't edit from my history...




this was vid that seemed to "kNot be in flow"... i thought it fit right in, whatever...

op is very pretty but is she real

With that in mind, take a look at all the places in the New Testament where "harpazo" is used and see how it is used:

Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take <726> it by force <726>.

Matthew 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away <726> that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

John 6:15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take <726> him by force <726>, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.

John 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth <726> them, and scattereth the sheep. [How does a wolf get a sheep? "Harpazo" meaning "to seize, catch up, carry off by force, snatch out or away" fits here pretty good....wouldn't you say? Well, it's the same way Christians will be "caught away to meet the Lord in the air"!]

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall <726> any man pluck <726> them out of my hand.

John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck <726> them out of my Father's hand.

Acts 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away <726> Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip was found at Azotus. [Note earlier in this section that the angel told Philip to catch up and intercept this man traveling by chariot from Jerusalem to Gaza on a desert route. Take a look of a map of Israel to understand the significance of his being "caught away". Now if Philip was "caught away" from the closest part of that route to Azotus, he would have been "caught away " 10 miles minimum. If it was not at the closest point, it would have been more than 10 miles. How would you like to travel that way with no chariot or car? Well, that is how Christians, who are alive when Jesus comes, will be caught up to Him.]

Acts 23:10 And when there arose a great dissension, the chief captain, fearing lest Paul should have been pulled in pieces of them, commanded the soldiers to go down, and to take <726> him by force <726> from among them, and to bring him into the castle.

2 Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up <726> to the third heaven...4 How that he was caught up <726> into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. [It is believed by most Bible scholars that Paul was speaking humbly about himself being "caught up" because in verses 1-8 he says he does not want to glory in the amount of visions and revelations God gave him.]

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up <726> together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Jude 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling <726> them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child (i.e. Jesus) as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child (i.e. Jesus), who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child (i.e. Jesus) was caught up <726> (i.e. his ascension to heaven 40 days after his resurrection) unto God, and to his throne.

WRONG they were forced to accept CATHOLICISM or be tortured and killed. CATHOLICISM is not and never will be CHRISTIANITY!

Absolutely. Thank you for making that distinction. Christians; you will know them by their actions.

I always thought the two witnesses were Iraq and Afganistan..but now it looks like they are Gadaffi and his son Motassim.


I saw Gadaffi on saturday..he is well pissed off.Said something about " jihad " and St Michael.

That Motassim....never seen such a cool guy.Minutes before he was about to be killed and he didn't give a fuck...that's real faith.

GOD BLESS THE GADAFI'S..The colonel will rule again.

So taking someone by Force is the exercise of free will by Force,really. That does not imply free will & I don't waste time arguing a mute point because when it's all said & done everyone will know the matter of the truth no matter what is said.

Martin

No I did not see it. At what time was that done?And I would also like to ask have you ever went back and edited a post because it did not come out they way you were thinking it in your head?

Martin

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Who implied freewill in the matter anyway? Not I. And who cares. An externally induced event could happen without freewill of the entity being taken away.

Example, if I were to rescue a bug drowning in a pond, would the bug care about freewill if it were being saved from an impending di-hydrogen monoxide disaster?

Anywa why couldn't the creator could allow freewill implicitly during the 'event'? After all, it is the creator - unconstrained by time, we are talking about. So if you want to stay, you might have your wishes granted.

I prefer it not to be on the premise of the word use of rapture,it's a poor choice of words to give an example of what is written. Considering all that the word Rapture is connected to. Find a better word to use such as caught up to be with(just the way it is written) is fine to make sense of what is written, that is what I am saying,simple as that.
Knowing what the word rapture means I prefer that not to happen to me,if you can understand what I am implying here.

Martin

Wait and see about the rapture, aye?.

Personally I think the common undestanding of the rapture is a bad interpretation of what will come to pass. I think the ones god will protect from the tribulations will use 'the Power of God', as Jesus did, and this will protect them. The Kingdom of God is approaching. the Power of God is about to return to man.

In the Chosen, God finds love.

Last Edited by SoulwalkerNZ on 10/25/2011 03:38 AM

The Two Witnesses/candlesticks are the Bible. (Zech 4)

ROFL

All protestant churches came from her, e.g. Jesus is God.

Thank you I do absolutely agree with you on all points given & I am happy to put that to rest as has presently been accomplished.

Grace,Peace & Mercy,

Martin Joseph

Good night all but before I go to bed, There is one thing I am thankful for,that on this forum when there are subject matters that are not clear we can atleast come together & find an absolute resolve that settles any of the misunderstandings that we battle to clarify daily in our lives especially when it comes to what is written. It's good to be alive.

Marty Joseph enengko

I Have not edited Anyones comments-----stop your lies------
if You Want to post your video---go start a thread entitled
"You tube videos of no relevance BY LeagUE of aNONymous
COWARDS"
-----and fill it full of all
the Non relevant videos that tug at your very loose heartstrings------Hey, you can even post a video
that glorifies the present slavery of the human condition-------and it won't get deleated--=--- Have
Fun----No one is stopping you but Your self.

Last Edited by Le Palma on 10/25/2011 07:45 AM

Good Morning Le Palma,

It is apparent that some make it their lifelong goal to make something out of nothing & I personally would like to admit that I have edited some of my comments after reviewing them & realizing that it did not say what I was trying to convey. Either way it's water under the bridge and it does not matter. Who knows,maybe today they might realize that they might have been wrong & render an appropriate apology for the oversight. There's always a hope. :) :) :)

Ezekiel 47:10 It's good to be alive...I will be gone working till late this evening, have a blessed day if I do not get a chance to talk to you...

Grace,Peace & Mercy,
Marty Joseph EnGedi en`Eng`ko

Yes What is the Seven Thunders?

The Seven Sisters? The Peliads, Hesperides? More groups of seven here...

[link to www.mysticalnumbers.com]

Seven Sisters (oil companies)


[link to en.wikipedia.org]

They witness about how Satan is the lifeboat.

Or the chakras, the link I posted also has religion specific number lore... but I think we should look at all mentions, they shouldn't group them off, lol. Soooo many 7s, 9s.

who or what made the prophecy, i can`t find the link to see