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Free Will Vs. Predestination ?

 
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Good Morning,

So, which do you think it is folks? Do we have free will or are our actions governed by predestination? It's a really tough call to make. Because naturally I want to say free will, but then there is the argument that free will is an illusion. I can't prove that its not, so how I can say for sure. I want to hear your opinions, and if possible, give me a reason why you believe your right. Lets discuss!
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Free will is what you experience when you Lucid dream, in it's fullest might, the "spirit" world.

Predestination is the opposite of that, the "physical" world that we experience.

The interaction between these two dimensions("spirit" world + "physical" world) have layed a foundation for the third one experiencing it as a receiver of consciousness, which is us.

The pure consciousness from which all "physical" is founded upon, is the same free will that gave birth to it's own opposite...predestination in the physical world.

These are two ends of the extreme and we are the balancing points that act as transformers of this free will. We experience both simultaneously.

There is a degree of free will we possess in the "physical" world which is equal to the amount of free will we possess in the "spiritual".

And there is an amount of predestination we experience in both realms equal to each other as well.

Your question is also equal to Past Vs. Future?

And if the universe is cyclic then again, Past and Future are just different sides of the same coin, whereas we are the Present value of the coin.

Indeed, there are no opposites.

Everything is the same.

I'd like to know how our planet is going to react to this knowledge with the increasing evolution of galactic consciousness from which no one can escape.

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you have free will to travel your predestination.
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Re: Free Will Vs. Predestination ?
Good Morning,

So, which do you think it is folks? Do we have free will or are our actions governed by predestination? It's a really tough call to make. Because naturally I want to say free will, but then there is the argument that free will is an illusion. I can't prove that its not, so how I can say for sure. I want to hear your opinions, and if possible, give me a reason why you believe your right. Lets discuss!
 Quoting: SkullOrchard


Thats a tricky question :)

Free will within a certain predestination period. Both can coexist. There is some part of free will, and some part of predestinated.

But again what is free will? Is not it based on your previous experience or past life experience? Those might be predestined one... :)

The more you think about it, the less you see there is chaos, and the more you see things as meticulously planned. There are no coincidences, no chances, just universal laws.

I think the director has already made his script, and we are just actors giving life to the show... Doesn't mean we are puppet :)

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Free will = Capitalism, Predestination = Communism
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Thanks guys for your thoughts. Very interesting. I like hearing peoples thoughts on this. Please feel free to elaborate more on this...or are you predestined to elaborate more on this???
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Re: Free Will Vs. Predestination ?
Good Morning,

So, which do you think it is folks? Do we have free will or are our actions governed by predestination? It's a really tough call to make. Because naturally I want to say free will, but then there is the argument that free will is an illusion. I can't prove that its not, so how I can say for sure. I want to hear your opinions, and if possible, give me a reason why you believe your right. Lets discuss!
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What if you agreed and accepted the predestination of your earthly life and trials, and missions?

Would it still be free-will?

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Free will determines the beginning; Pre-destination determines the end.
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Re: Free Will Vs. Predestination ?
Good Morning,

So, which do you think it is folks? Do we have free will or are our actions governed by predestination? It's a really tough call to make. Because naturally I want to say free will, but then there is the argument that free will is an illusion. I can't prove that its not, so how I can say for sure. I want to hear your opinions, and if possible, give me a reason why you believe your right. Lets discuss!
 Quoting: SkullOrchard


Thats a tricky question :)

Free will within a certain predestination period. Both can coexist. There is some part of free will, and some part of predestinated.

But again what is free will? Is not it based on your previous experience or past life experience? Those might be predestined one... :)

The more you think about it, the less you see there is chaos, and the more you see things as meticulously planned. There are no coincidences, no chances, just universal laws.

I think the director has already made his script, and we are just actors giving life to the show... Doesn't mean we are puppet :)
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I don`t think it could be stated any better than this...One must experience it to understand what Adonai is saying...very true words..Thanks
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Re: Free Will Vs. Predestination ?
Good Morning,

So, which do you think it is folks? Do we have free will or are our actions governed by predestination? It's a really tough call to make. Because naturally I want to say free will, but then there is the argument that free will is an illusion. I can't prove that its not, so how I can say for sure. I want to hear your opinions, and if possible, give me a reason why you believe your right. Lets discuss!
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What if you agreed and accepted the predestination of your earthly life and trials, and missions?

Would it still be free-will?

peace
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Left brain versus right brain hemisphere.

"The left side of the brain processes information in a linear manner. It processes from part to whole. It takes pieces, lines them up, and arranges them in a logical order; then it draws conclusions. The right brain however, processes from whole to parts, holistically. It starts with the answer. It sees the big picture first, not the details. If you are right-brained, you may have difficulty following a lecture unless you are given the big picture first"

As you see, both exist.

Yin-Yang.

Half of us wants to create and half of us wants to destroy.

There is no such thing as free will as opposed to predestination, there is the reality in which we perceive them to be existing as different values.
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A further question is, if our life is predetermined....who is it predetermined by? God? The Earth? The universe?

Also if it is predestination, is EVERYTHING predetermined or just the major things. Do I have free will to choose what I will eat for dinner tonight, or am I destined to eat something in particular for dinner tonight? I guess that can depend. I mean I am in shape, and healthy. But what if I was obese and I was going to die of high cholestoral. Would all my meals be predetermined to be unhealthy foods, so I can reach my predestination of dying from poor health?
It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.
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Good Morning,

So, which do you think it is folks? Do we have free will or are our actions governed by predestination? It's a really tough call to make. Because naturally I want to say free will, but then there is the argument that free will is an illusion. I can't prove that its not, so how I can say for sure. I want to hear your opinions, and if possible, give me a reason why you believe your right. Lets discuss!
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We each have FREE WILL but it is Predestined!!!
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A further question is, if our life is predetermined....who is it predetermined by? God? The Earth? The universe?
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You, and another version advanced of you (higher self). Most of the times your higher self decide for you, but from a certain stage of evolution, you can voice your choices.

But you are inside the imagination of the Eternal Infinite One Creator...
True Love flows out like the waters,
Nurturing all who would drink from it.
True Love does as the Stars.
True Love does as the Sun - it shines
on the evil as well as the righteous.
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Good Morning,

So, which do you think it is folks? Do we have free will or are our actions governed by predestination? It's a really tough call to make. Because naturally I want to say free will, but then there is the argument that free will is an illusion. I can't prove that its not, so how I can say for sure. I want to hear your opinions, and if possible, give me a reason why you believe your right. Lets discuss!
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We each have FREE WILL but it is Predestined!!!
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I love this topic...

I personally call it a "grace period" untill you have an awakening...and even then there are different levels after the awakening....I can tell you there is a vibration/frequency that is in control...and it is "good" not evil....
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Very interesting Adonai. Your point of view on things intrigues me.
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Also if it is predestination, is EVERYTHING predetermined or just the major things. Do I have free will to choose what I will eat for dinner tonight, or am I destined to eat something in particular for dinner tonight? I guess that can depend. I mean I am in shape, and healthy. But what if I was obese and I was going to die of high cholestoral. Would all my meals be predetermined to be unhealthy foods, so I can reach my predestination of dying from poor health?
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Does it matter if the actor go 1 centimeter a little to the left or the right? Most of the times it doesnt.
True Love flows out like the waters,
Nurturing all who would drink from it.
True Love does as the Stars.
True Love does as the Sun - it shines
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I used to be a VERY STRONG believer in free will--hard headed--mind over matter...then I started searching for the truth..Then I witnessed the truth..Life is so much easier now...I`m 10 times the person I used to be and life treats me very well...I love this incarnation...

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It is a combination, of course.

Let's say you have a maze with 5 outlets to the final destination (which for us all is death).

Along each of these five routes, which overlap each other, are certain "incidents" which will happen. Spokes, hubs, crossroads, I guess you could call it.

So as you go along the maze, you definitely will have to pass these "events" as you go... but not all of them, depending on which route you take. And depending on which route you take, you can pass other events and miss some.

You will die, I will die, we will all die. The destination in the end is the same. So predestination is an absolute fact... death is the only one. Even if you "ascend", you do not remain here forever in the same human body.

And, there are spiritual challenges along the way that have been predetermined with the spirits of other people. You may be presented with the opportunity to assist a person with carrying a package across the road, for example.

If you choose, by your free will, to do so, you save their life. If you choose not to, they die. This is a predetermined opportunity, but you get to choose the outcome by what you do with the opportunity.



It's the same as the age-old argument between "nature and nurture". The only right answer is a resounding "BOTH!"

Free will or predestination? BOTH!
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A further question is, if our life is predetermined....who is it predetermined by? God? The Earth? The universe?

Also if it is predestination, is EVERYTHING predetermined or just the major things. Do I have free will to choose what I will eat for dinner tonight, or am I destined to eat something in particular for dinner tonight? I guess that can depend. I mean I am in shape, and healthy. But what if I was obese and I was going to die of high cholestoral. Would all my meals be predetermined to be unhealthy foods, so I can reach my predestination of dying from poor health?
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Our own spirit in combination with the spirits of those we will encounter. Humanity creates the path of Earth together from the spiritual realm.

It all has a beautiful, amazing purpose. If humans have the tiniest inkling of how amazing and beautiful we all are, and the grandness of our purpose, we would transform the world overnight.
No more requests in the "Strangest things" thread please. :hf:

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It is a combination, of course.

Let's say you have a maze with 5 outlets to the final destination (which for us all is death).

Along each of these five routes, which overlap each other, are certain "incidents" which will happen. Spokes, hubs, crossroads, I guess you could call it.

So as you go along the maze, you definitely will have to pass these "events" as you go... but not all of them, depending on which route you take. And depending on which route you take, you can pass other events and miss some.

You will die, I will die, we will all die. The destination in the end is the same. So predestination is an absolute fact... death is the only one. Even if you "ascend", you do not remain here forever in the same human body.

And, there are spiritual challenges along the way that have been predetermined with the spirits of other people. You may be presented with the opportunity to assist a person with carrying a package across the road, for example.

If you choose, by your free will, to do so, you save their life. If you choose not to, they die. This is a predetermined opportunity, but you get to choose the outcome by what you do with the opportunity.



It's the same as the age-old argument between "nature and nurture". The only right answer is a resounding "BOTH!"

Free will or predestination? BOTH!
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Nice Sandi T
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A further question is, if our life is predetermined....who is it predetermined by? God? The Earth? The universe?

Also if it is predestination, is EVERYTHING predetermined or just the major things. Do I have free will to choose what I will eat for dinner tonight, or am I destined to eat something in particular for dinner tonight? I guess that can depend. I mean I am in shape, and healthy. But what if I was obese and I was going to die of high cholestoral. Would all my meals be predetermined to be unhealthy foods, so I can reach my predestination of dying from poor health?
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Mate, are you sure you want answers to those questions?

If you realize the truth, then your existence might seem purposeless as everything you have ever believed to be true, will actually turn out to be a lie.

It's as simple as this.

Take infinity...cut it in half, you see free will is one half and predestination is the other half. Join these two back together and what you get is what you gave.

Seriously... infinity is infinite.

It didn't have a beginning and it doesn't have an end.

It just IS.

It has always been.

And it will always be...forever.

If we could actually assume, that there was a beginning, then this is exactly what happened.

GOD or infinity divided himself into half and put himself back together which means. Nothing happened at all.

Infinity has always been infinity, it never got divided into half and it never put itself back together.

We only NEED TO ASSUME THAT IT HAPPENED, BECAUSE THE 3D REALITY THAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING IS INFINITY WHICH HAS BECOME 3 DIMENSIONAL.

So Past and the Future are the two halves of this infinity assuming that infinity had cut itself apart. When you join them back together, you get the third dimension which is present, which is infinity.

To your answer of what predetermines what you eat i'd say this.

Everything is predestined by free will to appear as if we have free will in a predestined setting.

Infinity...nothing more, nothing less.
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A further question is, if our life is predetermined....who is it predetermined by? God? The Earth? The universe?

Also if it is predestination, is EVERYTHING predetermined or just the major things. Do I have free will to choose what I will eat for dinner tonight, or am I destined to eat something in particular for dinner tonight? I guess that can depend. I mean I am in shape, and healthy. But what if I was obese and I was going to die of high cholestoral. Would all my meals be predetermined to be unhealthy foods, so I can reach my predestination of dying from poor health?
 Quoting: SkullOrchard


Our own spirit in combination with the spirits of those we will encounter. Humanity creates the path of Earth together from the spiritual realm.

It all has a beautiful, amazing purpose. If humans have the tiniest inkling of how amazing and beautiful we all are, and the grandness of our purpose, we would transform the world overnight.
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This so true...it is so sad people don`t realize this..I go to work everyday realizing my oppurtunities--These are all souls in my life that are there for a reason..so I enjoy and learn from every one of them as much as I can..if you can invision life like this and you hate your job---suddenly that will start changing. People make the difference.. A simple good morning and a smile goes along ways
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The question can only be answered once you decide for yourself, based on philosophically sound thinking, what the answer to the following five questions are:

1. Does God exist?
2. What is the nature of God?
3. Is God omniscient?
4. Does time exist?
5. What is the nature of time? (eg. linear, circular, etc.)


and of course you must start off your inquiry predicated on the first truths of "I exsit," "I am capable of knowing," and the "law of non-contradiction is true."

You could have all sorts of answers, but if you narrow down your philosophy on the 5 things above, you'll be able to answer your question pretty easily.
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A further question is, if our life is predetermined....who is it predetermined by? God? The Earth? The universe?

Also if it is predestination, is EVERYTHING predetermined or just the major things. Do I have free will to choose what I will eat for dinner tonight, or am I destined to eat something in particular for dinner tonight? I guess that can depend. I mean I am in shape, and healthy. But what if I was obese and I was going to die of high cholestoral. Would all my meals be predetermined to be unhealthy foods, so I can reach my predestination of dying from poor health?
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Mate, are you sure you want answers to those questions?

If you realize the truth, then your existence might seem purposeless as everything you have ever believed to be true, will actually turn out to be a lie.

It's as simple as this.

Take infinity...cut it in half, you see free will is one half and predestination is the other half. Join these two back together and what you get is what you gave.

Seriously... infinity is infinite.

It didn't have a beginning and it doesn't have an end.

It just IS.

It has always been.

And it will always be...forever.

If we could actually assume, that there was a beginning, then this is exactly what happened.

GOD or infinity divided himself into half and put himself back together which means. Nothing happened at all.

Infinity has always been infinity, it never got divided into half and it never put itself back together.

We only NEED TO ASSUME THAT IT HAPPENED, BECAUSE THE 3D REALITY THAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING IS INFINITY WHICH HAS BECOME 3 DIMENSIONAL.

So Past and the Future are the two halves of this infinity assuming that infinity had cut itself apart. When you join them back together, you get the third dimension which is present, which is infinity.

To your answer of what predetermines what you eat i'd say this.

Everything is predestined by free will to appear as if we have free will in a predestined setting.

Infinity...nothing more, nothing less.
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In bold above-----and that is not an easy struggle to come to terms with at first...it can blow your mind for a while..lol...but you`ll become a better person..a different person.. it is both a blessing and a curse...peace
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There were 17 known and well-thought out German assassination attempts on Hitlers life. He survived every one - including a bomb detonating a few feet from him. There also were many other attempts (close to 70) from other countries that weren't necessarily planned, including attempts by both german and US soldiers.

My point is that there could have been 301 attempts and he would have survived. People made the conscious effort to try and kill Hitler, but no amount of planning and ability was going to take him down before his time.

It's my philosophy that free will of our actions is an illusion. However, we do have free will over how we perceive the world around us. Some people are always mean and grumpy, while others in a near-exact situation are happy and joyful. They didn't choose their environments, but they choose to behave in a certain manner.
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If you realize the truth, then your existence might seem purposeless as everything you have ever believed to be true, will actually turn out to be a lie.

It's as simple as this.

Take infinity...cut it in half, you see free will is one half and predestination is the other half. Join these two back together and what you get is what you gave.

Seriously... infinity is infinite.

It didn't have a beginning and it doesn't have an end.

It just IS.

It has always been.

And it will always be...forever.

If we could actually assume, that there was a beginning, then this is exactly what happened.

GOD or infinity divided himself into half and put himself back together which means. Nothing happened at all.

Infinity has always been infinity, it never got divided into half and it never put itself back together.

We only NEED TO ASSUME THAT IT HAPPENED, BECAUSE THE 3D REALITY THAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING IS INFINITY WHICH HAS BECOME 3 DIMENSIONAL.

So Past and the Future are the two halves of this infinity assuming that infinity had cut itself apart. When you join them back together, you get the third dimension which is present, which is infinity.

To your answer of what predetermines what you eat i'd say this.

Everything is predestined by free will to appear as if we have free will in a predestined setting.

Infinity...nothing more, nothing less.
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Infinity divided by 2 (or any finite number) is infinity, for the simple reason that you cannot divide infinity; therefore, nothing happened at all, so we can completely eliminate the first part of what you said prior to the bold print.
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If you realize the truth, then your existence might seem purposeless as everything you have ever believed to be true, will actually turn out to be a lie.

It's as simple as this.

Take infinity...cut it in half, you see free will is one half and predestination is the other half. Join these two back together and what you get is what you gave.

Seriously... infinity is infinite.

It didn't have a beginning and it doesn't have an end.

It just IS.

It has always been.

And it will always be...forever.

If we could actually assume, that there was a beginning, then this is exactly what happened.

GOD or infinity divided himself into half and put himself back together which means. Nothing happened at all.
Infinity has always been infinity, it never got divided into half and it never put itself back together.

We only NEED TO ASSUME THAT IT HAPPENED, BECAUSE THE 3D REALITY THAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING IS INFINITY WHICH HAS BECOME 3 DIMENSIONAL.

So Past and the Future are the two halves of this infinity assuming that infinity had cut itself apart. When you join them back together, you get the third dimension which is present, which is infinity.

To your answer of what predetermines what you eat i'd say this.

Everything is predestined by free will to appear as if we have free will in a predestined setting.

Infinity...nothing more, nothing less.
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Infinity divided by 2 (or any finite number) is infinity, for the simple reason that you cannot divide infinity; therefore, nothing happened at all, so we can completely eliminate the first part of what you said prior to the bold print.
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Sorry (hit the post button by accident)

Anyway, we can ignore everything you said prior to the bold print. So there is nothing to assume, because it was impossible for it to happen in the first place - there are no two halves - it never happened, and they were never joined back together because you entire argument is not possible.
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A further question is, if our life is predetermined....who is it predetermined by? God? The Earth? The universe?

Also if it is predestination, is EVERYTHING predetermined or just the major things. Do I have free will to choose what I will eat for dinner tonight, or am I destined to eat something in particular for dinner tonight? I guess that can depend. I mean I am in shape, and healthy. But what if I was obese and I was going to die of high cholestoral. Would all my meals be predetermined to be unhealthy foods, so I can reach my predestination of dying from poor health?
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Mate, are you sure you want answers to those questions?

If you realize the truth, then your existence might seem purposeless as everything you have ever believed to be true, will actually turn out to be a lie.

It's as simple as this.

Take infinity...cut it in half, you see free will is one half and predestination is the other half. Join these two back together and what you get is what you gave.

Seriously... infinity is infinite.

It didn't have a beginning and it doesn't have an end.

It just IS.

It has always been.

And it will always be...forever.

If we could actually assume, that there was a beginning, then this is exactly what happened.

GOD or infinity divided himself into half and put himself back together which means. Nothing happened at all.

Infinity has always been infinity, it never got divided into half and it never put itself back together.

We only NEED TO ASSUME THAT IT HAPPENED, BECAUSE THE 3D REALITY THAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING IS INFINITY WHICH HAS BECOME 3 DIMENSIONAL.

So Past and the Future are the two halves of this infinity assuming that infinity had cut itself apart. When you join them back together, you get the third dimension which is present, which is infinity.

To your answer of what predetermines what you eat i'd say this.

Everything is predestined by free will to appear as if we have free will in a predestined setting.

Infinity...nothing more, nothing less.
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In bold above-----and that is not an easy struggle to come to terms with at first...it can blow your mind for a while..lol...but you`ll become a better person..a different person.. it is both a blessing and a curse...peace
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I agree with that, once you realize the truth you'll never wanna go back again. You'll be forever changed, and forever freed.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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Re: Free Will Vs. Predestination ?
My view is that there is multiple predestinations and your free will dictates not only your future but others futures as well!

I believe each and every person on this earth will come to a crossroads at least once in there life and there freewill will be tested. My only advice is the easy road is not always the right road so caution up ahead!
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Re: Free Will Vs. Predestination ?
Also if it is predestination, is EVERYTHING predetermined or just the major things. Do I have free will to choose what I will eat for dinner tonight, or am I destined to eat something in particular for dinner tonight? I guess that can depend. I mean I am in shape, and healthy. But what if I was obese and I was going to die of high cholestoral. Would all my meals be predetermined to be unhealthy foods, so I can reach my predestination of dying from poor health?
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Does it matter if the actor go 1 centimeter a little to the left or the right? Most of the times it doesnt.
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I disagree

I was given a choice I chose one path and the other path was revealed to me in time. I am thankful for the path I chose but for some reason I feel I was guided in that direction if that makes any sense?
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I am going to quote some long text to understand how we can divide infinity...

Where does the Creator leave off and character begin?

The Artist in His Creations.

Moreover, the writer, poet, or dramatist frequently arrives at a knowledge of himself by the very creation of his characters. He knows himself by reason of them just as others know him by reason of them. The creative artist unfolds his own nature by reason of the unfoldment of his characters. What has been said here regarding the creation of characters in fiction, poetry, or the drama is also true - perhaps still more true - in the case of the painter or sculptor who materializes his mental creations.

He not only lives through them, but he also gives to them objective form. When we view the Venus of Milo, we see the soul of the sculptor long since passed from mortal view; it lives in and through its creation. When we gaze at the inscrutable smile on the lips of the Mona Lisa, we are in touch with the soul of Leonardo da Vinci, the artist who lived several hundred years ago. These men not only created these characters, and lived through them, but gave to them objective shape and form and continue to live through their own material bodies. Yes, "characters" may be mentally created as well as mere forms, images, and abstract ideas.

But, you say, these are but figurative examples; these creations are not real; they do not actually live and move and have their being in material form. True; but give to the artist Infinity of Being, Absolute Power, and Infinite Substance of Mind, what would result? And remember that even finite man may work out his mental creations in matter by the use of his hands. Cannot Infinite Spirit so work it out without the necessity of hands, particularly if we stop to consider that the Substance of Universal Mind is the Ultimate Substance, the Substance of Substance? Could not such a Mind crystallize or congeal its thoughts into objective form if it so desired?


Identity and Totality.

There is, however, one more point not as yet brought out in the illustration - the fact that the Totality of Spirit is in the smallest detail of the Manifestation. Going back to the illustration for a moment more, we may see that Mind cannot be divided; it is a Whole. Therefore the Whole Mind is back of and immanent in the smallest thought. Not all of its power, perhaps, but all of its being. It was not a part of Shakespeare's mind that created Othello and was immanent in it; not a part of the mind of Dickens that created and lived through Uriah Heep; not a part of the mind of the unknown artist that created and lived in and through the Venus de Milo; not a part of the mind of Leonardo da Vinci that created and smiles through the countenance of the Mona Lisa. Mind, being immaterial, does not occupy space. It cannot be divided into parts. It is a Unity?
Indivisible. Wherever Unity is at all, there must all of it be. It must always be regarded as a Whole. Here, too, we find the illustration sustains us.

But apart from the aptness and fitness of any finite illustration, the reason reports that all Creation must be in Spirit; that Spirit must be in all Creation; that the Totality of Spirit is back of, behind, and in every detail of Creation. For All-that-is is in Spirit. Spirit cannot be other than Itself and is always Itself. Spirit remains the same in its essence, nature, substance, and very being, notwithstanding the differences apparent in the forms, shapes, states, and conditions of its Creation - the phenomenal aspects in which it occurs, appears, and presents itself. And, finally, Spirit being Immutable and Indivisible cannot change itself into anything; not divide itself into anything. It thus follows that whatever is dwells and abides in the Totality of Spirit, and the Totality of Spirit is immanent in it and, at the last, is identical with it.

On the surface of Creation we are expressions and centers of activity of Spirit. Spirit is in us and we are in Spirit, and in that knowledge there is the sense of absolute security. Outside of Spirit we can never be, for there is no outside. We can never be lost, never destroyed in essence, nature, substance, and principle.
Though change alters our forms, states, or conditions, we are still in Spirit. The knowledge of our essence, nature, substance, and principle destroys fear, kills our apprehension, removes doubt, and sends us forward to the Divine Adventure with a smile on our lips and joy in our heart. And as to the end, if end there be to the personal being, we know that whatever is real in us is above personality and cannot perish.

Those to whom illumination has come invariably echo the words of Gautama, the Buddha, who said of such an ending of personality:—

"If any teach Nirvana is to cease,
Say unto such they lie;
If any teach Nirvana is to live,
Say unto such they err, not knowing this,
Nor what light shines beyond their broken lamps,
Nor lifeless, timeless bliss."

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God and I in space alone,
And nobody else in view.
And "Where are the people, O Lord," I said,
"The earth below and the sky o'erhead,
And the dead whom once I knew?"

"That was a dream," God smiled and said,
"A dream that seemed to be true;
There were no people living or dead;
There was no earth and no sky o'erhead;

There was only Myself and you."
"Why do I feel no fear," I asked,
"Meeting you here in this way?
For I have sinned, I know full well;
And is there heaven, and is there hell,
And is this the judgment day?"

"Nay! those were dreams," the great God said,
"Dreams that have ceased to be;
There is no such thing as fear or sin;
There is no YOU — you never have been;
There is nothing at all but ME!"
True Love flows out like the waters,
Nurturing all who would drink from it.
True Love does as the Stars.
True Love does as the Sun - it shines
on the evil as well as the righteous.





GLP