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How did Jesus' death wash away our sins?

 
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Scro, just have faith amigo. Do the best you can with what you have while you're here.

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I disagree. I believe God is all. The good and bad. All things in perfect balance are God. Nothing is outside of God. So nothing is not of God.

Also, you just said "No man can be punished for the sin of another" then went on to explain that Jesus was crucified for sins that were not his. These are the sort of logical errors that lead me away from the Bible in the first place. I thank you for your response, but have you actually let yourself entertain the option that some things may be in error, be it through translation or purposeful manipulation? I mean, the same people that wanted Jesus killed are also the same ones that used his teachings as a control tool. I am speaking of the Romans.
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But that is the Substitutionary Atonement as laid out in the Old Testament, the blood of the innocent lamb covered the sins of the people for the year, Christ, who you remember is called the Lamb of God, put His blood upon the Mercy Seat for eternity. Some one had to pay the price, and God's justice would not allow Him to accept anything but His own sacrifice as payment.
By the way, saying that "God is all" is almost the same as saying "God is nothing", you have stripped Him of everything that makes Him unique, and are close to the pagan pantheistic cosmology..
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I am not concerned with my beliefs being close to anything. Saying God is nothing is actually just as accurate as saying God is all. God can not choose to be something without something to be the comparison. How can God radiate Love if he has not created the absence of it? Things only exist in relation to their opposites. A tree only exists here because it does not exist there.
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Son, lame analogies from Philosophy 101 do not prove anything. God created the Cosmos, but God is also outside the Cosmos, God is here and there, at the same time, unlike your tree. Do not let yourself be mesmerized by your perceived intellect, far wiser men than you have grappled with God, and lost. God gave us His word, and the only thing standing between you and comprehension of His message is your ego.
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I am sure you are aware of what projection means. I do not call you "Old man", I would prefer you call me Tyler if OP doesn't suit you. And if you have decided that my ego stops me from understanding then I suppose telling you that I know nothing won't bring you back down to my level, will it? I can admit that I know absolutely nothing for a certainty other than the fact that I exist. That is why I have started a thread with a question and not a statement. I do envy you though. It must be wonderful to know something with a certainty.
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I will agree with you there. I meditate almost three hours a day and would definitely say that, although I can't possibly fully understand God, I DEFINITELY believe in him/her. I also believe in Jesus and that he is A son of god. As am I. As are you. But the death/sacrifice thing never really got explained well enough for me to understand it. The God I have come to understand uses the elements and forces around us to create this universe. All things are bound by God's creative laws. The sacrifice of Jesus leading to all of our sins being forgiven jumps outside of the laws our God uses to hold this Universe together. There is no correlation. It is basically one statement trying to be connected to another statement. Nothing, within the realm of reason, has seemed to explain this crucifixion thing. All I see is a man that rose above the bindings of the flesh and understood God's workings so perfectly that he could actually make them work for him: i.e. walking on water, curing illness. But his teachings actually fit better if he was trying to explain to people that the only way to rise above the suffering of physical bonds was to seek the truth of our father and ascend just like Jesus: "The only way to salvation is through me".
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You used a quote so fair is fair: "What My Father has given to Me nothing can take them out of My hand".

Christ beat satan and stole his lunch, now "Where do You want to go today?"
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Fair is fair, I agree. But I haven't the slightest clue what you are trying to say to me.
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Everyone in the Bible that decided to live for Yahweh and Christ were persecuted and hated and tortured and jailed and starved and killed (and the list goes on) by everyone else, the reason why is because everyone who lives for Yahweh and Christ are righteous and everyone else is not.

When You live for Yahweh and/or Christ You are righteous and being persecuted for being righteous is washing Your sins(dirty robe) away in the blood of the Lamb.

Knowing the Truth is a federal offence to satan and most of earth's population belong to satan.
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This question was never answered by the op:


Everyone in the Bible that decided to live for Yahweh and Christ were persecuted and hated and tortured and jailed and starved and killed (and the list goes on) by everyone else, the reason why is because everyone who lives for Yahweh and Christ are righteous and everyone else is not.

When You live for Yahweh and/or Christ You are righteous and being persecuted for being righteous is washing Your sins(dirty robe) away in the blood of the Lamb.

Knowing the Truth is a federal offence to satan and most of earth's population belong to satan.
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I see the point you are trying to make. But I don't question a word of what Jesus said. But he never said that his sacrifice would clear man of it's sins. That is written in by others. Jesus taught that the way to God is through his teachings. Not that you have to believe in him or go to Hell. His teachings where about loving one another and being selfless. I would agree that these actions are the way to God.
 Quoting: Scrodiddles


What do believe Jesus meant when he said "before Abraham was, I am!"?

Thanks.
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And these:

"Don't fear men who can only kill the body, but fear God who can destroy both body and soul with fire"

"You belong to your father, the Devil."

"No one takes my life from me, I willingly lay it down. I have the authority to lay it down and take it up again."

"Nobody comes to the Father except through me."

?

Thanks again.
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Perhaps I ask a question on this thread, not to receive and answer for myself, but to lead others to ask a question too.
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Wow- Deep!

;)
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Yeah, basically OP isn't concerned with a real answer. He's more concerned with making everyone follow him around trying to accept his standard of what an "answer" is, all while showing us his own Build-A-Bear style religion.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1475638


lol @ 'build-a-bear'...

But seriously. We are to show patience and long-suffering with people. Even as our LORD does with us...

He is a young man who is asking a good question. I was not so different than he when I was a young lad.

Lets show some patience. Even as our LORD does.

Lets go with him an extra mile. Lets give him our coat. Lets love our neighbor as ourself. Lets show our love.

peace,
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I would welcome both of you into my home any time. But one of you will get more of my time. And it is not the one you think.
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You used a quote so fair is fair: "What My Father has given to Me nothing can take them out of My hand".

Christ beat satan and stole his lunch, now "Where do You want to go today?"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1457831


Fair is fair, I agree. But I haven't the slightest clue what you are trying to say to me.
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Everyone in the Bible that decided to live for Yahweh and Christ were persecuted and hated and tortured and jailed and starved and killed (and the list goes on) by everyone else, the reason why is because everyone who lives for Yahweh and Christ are righteous and everyone else is not.

When You live for Yahweh and/or Christ You are righteous and being persecuted for being righteous is washing Your sins(dirty robe) away in the blood of the Lamb.

Knowing the Truth is a federal offence to satan and most of earth's population belong to satan.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1457831


This question was never answered by the op:


Everyone in the Bible that decided to live for Yahweh and Christ were persecuted and hated and tortured and jailed and starved and killed (and the list goes on) by everyone else, the reason why is because everyone who lives for Yahweh and Christ are righteous and everyone else is not.

When You live for Yahweh and/or Christ You are righteous and being persecuted for being righteous is washing Your sins(dirty robe) away in the blood of the Lamb.

Knowing the Truth is a federal offence to satan and most of earth's population belong to satan.
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I am not here to answer a question. But I am more than happy too. However, there is not a question to be find in your post.
I am in search of Truth, but still emptying my cup.
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I'm not sure what happened to the post I wrote that isn't up on this thread but...

Basically, OP
Do you not understand the concept of sacrifice?

If I do something wrong and you take my penalty, that doesn't make me less guilty of that wrong. But you have sacrificed yourself so that I might not have to suffer.

The Christian religion has this basic premise that there is this god and you have done things that require his penalty of death.

So, when this god is all "Hoo-raa! I'm gonna kill 'em in Flood 2.0!", this god equal to him goes "Hey, how about I take their blame so we're all groovy?"

The sacrifice doesn't mean you haven't sinned or done something deserving death. It does mean that you aren't facing the penalty for it any more.

So, if you don't believe in this god or that you've done wrongs then there's really no point to any of your inquiries.
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I am quite aware of the nature of spirit and there is a lack of explanation regarding the crucifixion in that context too.
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Is it possible to consider that the explanation given in scripture is sufficient, but that the hearer simply cannot hear? Because he does not have ears to hear?

I believe it was Jesus who is quoted as having said, he who has ears, let him hear. So that must indicate that there are those who do not have ears.

I suppose that could be considered.

JMHO,

peace.
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I see the point you are trying to make. But I don't question a word of what Jesus said. But he never said that his sacrifice would clear man of it's sins. That is written in by others. Jesus taught that the way to God is through his teachings. Not that you have to believe in him or go to Hell. His teachings where about loving one another and being selfless. I would agree that these actions are the way to God.
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Thanks for your reply. Fast moving thread. That is good also. Lots of interest.

Indeed, Love one another and be selfless... I look around at how many apply that in their lives. I see the narrow path which Jesus spoke of. I also see the broad path. He says few travel the narrow path which leads to everlasting life and many travel the broad path and it leads to destruction.

If a man is given ears to hear, then he can hear the words of The Christ. He believes in The Christ. He follows The Christ.

If a man does not have ears, he does none of those things. Seems simple (to me). I try to keep it simple.

Jesus talks about being the doorway. He says there are many who try to climb in some other way.

I think it is good for men to find the door.

peace,
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Wow- Deep!

;)
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


Yeah, basically OP isn't concerned with a real answer. He's more concerned with making everyone follow him around trying to accept his standard of what an "answer" is, all while showing us his own Build-A-Bear style religion.

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lol @ 'build-a-bear'...

But seriously. We are to show patience and long-suffering with people. Even as our LORD does with us...

He is a young man who is asking a good question. I was not so different than he when I was a young lad.

Lets show some patience. Even as our LORD does.

Lets go with him an extra mile. Lets give him our coat. Lets love our neighbor as ourself. Lets show our love.

peace,
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I would welcome both of you into my home any time. But one of you will get more of my time. And it is not the one you think.
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You should give the one who needs more attention your time. Even as many of us do with you here.

peace,
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Wow- Deep!

;)
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Yeah, basically OP isn't concerned with a real answer. He's more concerned with making everyone follow him around trying to accept his standard of what an "answer" is, all while showing us his own Build-A-Bear style religion.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1475638


lol @ 'build-a-bear'...

But seriously. We are to show patience and long-suffering with people. Even as our LORD does with us...

He is a young man who is asking a good question. I was not so different than he when I was a young lad.

Lets show some patience. Even as our LORD does.

Lets go with him an extra mile. Lets give him our coat. Lets love our neighbor as ourself. Lets show our love.

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


I would welcome both of you into my home any time. But one of you will get more of my time. And it is not the one you think.
 Quoting: Scrodiddles


Will there be tea? haha
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Scro, just have faith amigo. Do the best you can with what you have while you're here.

hf
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I completely agree with your sentiment. I just don't really understand why it matters if I have faith in the crucifixion's purpose or not if I believe Jesus existed and follow his teachings.
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I am quite aware of the nature of spirit and there is a lack of explanation regarding the crucifixion in that context too.
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Is it possible to consider that the explanation given in scripture is sufficient, but that the hearer simply cannot hear? Because he does not have ears to hear?

I believe it was Jesus who is quoted as having said, he who has ears, let him hear. So that must indicate that there are those who do not have ears.

I suppose that could be considered.

JMHO,

peace.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370



I see the point you are trying to make. But I don't question a word of what Jesus said. But he never said that his sacrifice would clear man of it's sins. That is written in by others. Jesus taught that the way to God is through his teachings. Not that you have to believe in him or go to Hell. His teachings where about loving one another and being selfless. I would agree that these actions are the way to God.
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"...But he never said that his sacrifice would clear man of it's sins..."

From the words of Jesus:


Take, eat; this is my body. And he took the cup, and gave
thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For
this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins (Matthew 26:26-28).
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Fair is fair, I agree. But I haven't the slightest clue what you are trying to say to me.
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Everyone in the Bible that decided to live for Yahweh and Christ were persecuted and hated and tortured and jailed and starved and killed (and the list goes on) by everyone else, the reason why is because everyone who lives for Yahweh and Christ are righteous and everyone else is not.

When You live for Yahweh and/or Christ You are righteous and being persecuted for being righteous is washing Your sins(dirty robe) away in the blood of the Lamb.

Knowing the Truth is a federal offence to satan and most of earth's population belong to satan.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1457831


This question was never answered by the op:


Everyone in the Bible that decided to live for Yahweh and Christ were persecuted and hated and tortured and jailed and starved and killed (and the list goes on) by everyone else, the reason why is because everyone who lives for Yahweh and Christ are righteous and everyone else is not.

When You live for Yahweh and/or Christ You are righteous and being persecuted for being righteous is washing Your sins(dirty robe) away in the blood of the Lamb.

Knowing the Truth is a federal offence to satan and most of earth's population belong to satan.
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I am not here to answer a question. But I am more than happy too. However, there is not a question to be find in your post.
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Do You think its true or false? And please explain why.
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Perhaps I ask a question on this thread, not to receive and answer for myself, but to lead others to ask a question too.
 Quoting: Scrodiddles


Wow- Deep!

;)
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


Yeah, basically OP isn't concerned with a real answer. He's more concerned with making everyone follow him around trying to accept his standard of what an "answer" is, all while showing us his own Build-A-Bear style religion.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1475638


lol @ 'build-a-bear'...

But seriously. We are to show patience and long-suffering with people. Even as our LORD does with us...

He is a young man who is asking a good question. I was not so different than he when I was a young lad.

Lets show some patience. Even as our LORD does.

Lets go with him an extra mile. Lets give him our coat. Lets love our neighbor as ourself. Lets show our love.

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


No doubt. I guess I'm having a hard time seeing this thread as much more than the "See, you can't answer it! I'm right! Christianity sucks!" type of thread. So, yes...love. But some of this seems like a lack of desire to accept an answer more than anything. What does Solomon say about that?
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Yeah, basically OP isn't concerned with a real answer. He's more concerned with making everyone follow him around trying to accept his standard of what an "answer" is, all while showing us his own Build-A-Bear style religion.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1475638


lol @ 'build-a-bear'...

But seriously. We are to show patience and long-suffering with people. Even as our LORD does with us...

He is a young man who is asking a good question. I was not so different than he when I was a young lad.

Lets show some patience. Even as our LORD does.

Lets go with him an extra mile. Lets give him our coat. Lets love our neighbor as ourself. Lets show our love.

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


I would welcome both of you into my home any time. But one of you will get more of my time. And it is not the one you think.
 Quoting: Scrodiddles


You should give the one who needs more attention your time. Even as many of us do with you here.

peace,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


This is what I was driving at. I will always embrace the man that dislikes me the warmest. For they offer me a perspective of myself that I am not privileged enough to see. And then perhaps I will agree and change myself.
I am in search of Truth, but still emptying my cup.
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I am quite aware of the nature of spirit and there is a lack of explanation regarding the crucifixion in that context too.
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Is it possible to consider that the explanation given in scripture is sufficient, but that the hearer simply cannot hear? Because he does not have ears to hear?

I believe it was Jesus who is quoted as having said, he who has ears, let him hear. So that must indicate that there are those who do not have ears.

I suppose that could be considered.

JMHO,

peace.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370



I see the point you are trying to make. But I don't question a word of what Jesus said. But he never said that his sacrifice would clear man of it's sins. That is written in by others. Jesus taught that the way to God is through his teachings. Not that you have to believe in him or go to Hell. His teachings where about loving one another and being selfless. I would agree that these actions are the way to God.
 Quoting: Scrodiddles


"...But he never said that his sacrifice would clear man of it's sins..."

From the words of Jesus:


Take, eat; this is my body. And he took the cup, and gave
thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For
this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins (Matthew 26:26-28).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1394404


Perhaps you have had or know someone who has had cancer. It is very good when the doctor says it is in remission.

peace,
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If you believe at all in the bible, here is the answer:

Adam was perfect, when he sinned in the garden of eden he lost that perfect life, passing on sin to his offspring, also rejecting God's authority to rule humans. God needed another perfect human to balance out what Adam lost, as was foretold in [Genesis 3:14,15].

The nation of Israel needed continual animal sacrifices because no amount of animals can equal a perfect human life. [Hebrews 10:4].

Before Jesus was born on earth, he was Michael, the archangel and first of all creation. [John 8:23]. Jesus was born a perfect human shielded by holy spirit in Mary's womb. [John 11:27] Was on the earth to tell others about God's kingdom [John 18:36] and what that would bring: i.e.: perfection, everlasting life, etc. [John 17:3]. His death paved the way for people to come to an accurate knowledge of God and the bible with the possibility of everlasting life.

He was dead for 3 days, [Luke 24:46] and was around for over a month to continuing teaching his disciples until he was raised to heaven [Hebrews 9:24] to serve as God's vassal king and back to being in his archangel position...ready to fight at [Revelation 19:14, 16] Armageddon and rule 1,000 years. [Isaiah 2:4].

Hope this helps. The added scripture is so you can see I'm quoting the bible.
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You have just written a total piece of falsehood. the Adam story is not what the bible states. AT ALL. The nation of Israel NEVER NEED SACRIFICES. How silly. Adam was not perfect either anyway. YOu don't know what the Adam's and Eves do, but what they did was introduce the violet DNA before its time, they lost their patience. And the times were terrible and they were depressed anyway. Understand Adam and Ever were here 38,000 years ago on a fully populated planet at that time. They were not the first people. They were a higher people on a particular mission that all evolutionary planets enjoy at some point. All get an "adam and eve", just not the same Adam and Eve.

"God" needed no other perfect human, where do you ones get this stuff. YOU HAVE MINDS which were supplied by GOD to you, could you learn to USE THEM. IF STUFF SOUNDS LIKE FAIRY TALES, Like Satan Claws for example..... it problem is lies and fairy tales.

His death was not required to pave any way, and he did NOT DIE on the CROSS, he lived, rested in the grave and went to teach in India, married, had 5 kids and died about 115 years of age in fact. You ones need to read Phoenix JOurnal #2 on the life of Jesus, written by JUDAS who was his best friend and scribe and NOT the betrayer. Judas was FRAMED by another with a similar name, really the father of the other with the similar name. Juda Iharioth.

Download this book mostly by Judas. [link to tweeofmeer.webs.com]

Esu (Jesus ) HAS returned, way back in 1954. Judas went to India with him, and after the death of 'jesus" the scrolls Judas wrote were returned to the old grave, and sources above led an priest of this world to them. Some were not readable, but the story is fascinating. Please avail yourself of this knowledge.

Jesus the part that was MICHAEL, was not AA MIchael. That incarnation 2000 years ago, was SHARED by MIchael of Nebadon, who cannot use a human body, being a very HIGH spirit being, so he more or less hitched a ride with Esu Immanuel. Both were Jesus. Michael of Nebadon is the creator of our Universe of Nebadon, which is NOT the whole creation, but a sector OF IT.

He is also returned as I post all the time. SIN IS NOT PASSED to offspring people. The unto the 7th generation means mans errors are reproduced by his offspring because of shitty knowledge and that is a MAJOR problem in religion right now, the lies and misunderstandings passed to the next generation. You ones are also passing all the pollution to the next generation too, you know.

His death was not necessary for the passing of knowledge.
Also he was NOT born of the "holy spirit." for some that believe that. The body is composed of DNA from MALE and FEMALE and the Holy spirit, has no penis or DNA. The Gabriel of Nebadon supplied the Male DNA, but not by sex, by laboratory methods.

Please folks, I work so hard hear, could some of you make use of it? This is not the only planet, it has had humans on it since the time of the dinosaurs, by method of migration from other planets.

Adam and Eve's are special folks from heaven, who, when the natural evolution of the race is as high as it can go, they come to upgrade the DNA. They do this by having many children. Adam and Eve are the violet race. There many children, having perfect DNA can intermarry and do, until for a planet like this there are 500,000 or more pure line descendants. They these are allowed to marry the best of the evolutionary races. This DNA they carry, is at least 24 strand DNA and produces a psychic brain and body.

That mission failed because EVE was convinced by Caligastia, our planetary prince who was part of the Lucifer rebellion, to have sex with an advanced member of the race and interject the violet DNA too early. Since he was planetary prince, but a nut case, she believed him and did it. Adam in his love went and did the same thing , knowing they had blown their mission. To stay with her.

Now this one thing might have been forgiven, (and was later), but you see this is a fucked up mucked up world, and it's leaders from heaven were corrupt and Caligastia purposely wanted to destroy the works of uplifting this race and would have continually caused a multitude of problems so the whole mission was aborted. Adam and eve each lived to over 300 years of age. They were forced from the first garden of eden because of WAR. That is under the eastern Mediterranean now, and the 2nd garden to which they migrated was in Iraq between the Euphrates and that other river, not getting out my map.

ADam and Eve are world leaders when they come, (not the same as the Prince. you see the Prince of this world mentioned in your bible, that was caligastia.)

They show a new way, build a global university system and have advisory councils from "heaven" which none of you have a clue about.

Had the Lucifer rebellion not occurred, that planet would long be in Light and Life now. the rebellion was 200,000 years ago and it's recorded somewhat in Revelations, and some of you think the stars of heaven are still to fall and that already happened long ago.

Michael of Nebadon visited this planet on purpose for many many reasons that go way beyond the teaching mission of Jesus. It has much to do with the resolution of the galactic wars and the anunnaki et all. Major clean up job going on, OK. A whole lot of POLITICAL reasons so to speak.

You ones, to improve upon yourselves, need to STOP this religious CRAP folks, you are a tool of the "satan" you still believe in. Satan isn't here nor is lucifer, but this is a prison world for 10 billion fallen angels and galactic thugs working out their karma. Many of you may well be them. Stop following this silly stuff and grow UP.

Develop your meditation abilities so you can communicate with the FATHER THAT IS INSIDE OF YOU. In that is all truth available to you. Your Father Fragment can communicate with the SPIRIT OF TRUTH bestowed on Pentecost by MIchael of Nebadon, who left the double incarnation at the time of the cross. He LEFT. IT was HE who was seen by the Mary's etc. ESU survived and continued to use the body the shared, and went to India to teach as above. He was NOT in the grave, because he walked out of it! He did not DIE. And that was however what was desired at the time, so that he could go to India in peace to continue his teaching. I am not faulting you on believing the lie for that reason.

These lowly animal bodies do NOT go to heaven. It is YOUR SOUL that is Resurrected and you are given a new body when you arrive on the mansion worlds after your resurrection.

What about all the people who lived and died before Jesus? There was a resurrection then. And what about all the ones since then? IF they are 3rd Circle of spiritual development, they go straight to heaven and awaken in 3 days in their NEW BODY which does not need toilets, all food is absorbed, no SHIT produced. Why would you want to take these crusty forms to heaven? You want to use toilets for eternity? Put on your minds.

Those not 3rd circle wait for a general resurrection and that is even in progress now with the return and there was one around 1000 AD too. I have met christians who will not undergo cremation because they think this body goes to heaven. How silly. How many bodies are LONG decomposed over the last 1000 years since the last intervening general resurrection? PLEASE.....
:big flowers::Black and White : The returned Esu, NOT in the body of 2000 years ago, that body is buried near Srinagar, Kasmir where he made his home and fathered 5 children. His hair is Sandy brownish red, and those big lovely eyes a deep bluish gray. He stand about 7 feet tall. I have met him personally, therefore I know of what I speak.
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Wow, do you write sci-fi or something?

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No I Write the TRUTH. hf
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Wow- Deep!

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Yeah, basically OP isn't concerned with a real answer. He's more concerned with making everyone follow him around trying to accept his standard of what an "answer" is, all while showing us his own Build-A-Bear style religion.

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lol @ 'build-a-bear'...

But seriously. We are to show patience and long-suffering with people. Even as our LORD does with us...

He is a young man who is asking a good question. I was not so different than he when I was a young lad.

Lets show some patience. Even as our LORD does.

Lets go with him an extra mile. Lets give him our coat. Lets love our neighbor as ourself. Lets show our love.

peace,
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No doubt. I guess I'm having a hard time seeing this thread as much more than the "See, you can't answer it! I'm right! Christianity sucks!" type of thread. So, yes...love. But some of this seems like a lack of desire to accept an answer more than anything. What does Solomon say about that?
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Thanks for your reply neighbor.

IMHO, It is not up to you or me who is bestowed with grace. We are fellow laborers in the field. We till and water and work the soil.

God give the increase. I trust him to do his work.

peace,
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Scro, just have faith amigo. Do the best you can with what you have while you're here.

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I completely agree with your sentiment. I just don't really understand why it matters if I have faith in the crucifixion's purpose or not if I believe Jesus existed and follow his teachings.
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Do you not believe in sin or that you have sinned or that there is a penalty you deserve for your sin? Do you believe it's possible to live a "sinless" life? Do you believe you already do?
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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16*~

Easy as that.
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I completely agree with your sentiment. I just don't really understand why it matters if I have faith in the crucifixion's purpose or not if I believe Jesus existed and follow his teachings.
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It does matter.
Because the reason why he came was to tell and show everyone who God really is, and to seek and save the lost (reconciling men to God).
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lol @ 'build-a-bear'...

But seriously. We are to show patience and long-suffering with people. Even as our LORD does with us...

He is a young man who is asking a good question. I was not so different than he when I was a young lad.

Lets show some patience. Even as our LORD does.

Lets go with him an extra mile. Lets give him our coat. Lets love our neighbor as ourself. Lets show our love.

peace,
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I would welcome both of you into my home any time. But one of you will get more of my time. And it is not the one you think.
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You should give the one who needs more attention your time. Even as many of us do with you here.

peace,
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This is what I was driving at. I will always embrace the man that dislikes me the warmest. For they offer me a perspective of myself that I am not privileged enough to see. And then perhaps I will agree and change myself.
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Well that's righteous man. I am simply here to speak of the righteousness of Christ.

peace,
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the bible is full of lies and so are the teachings about Jesus. The way the soul is constructed, only YOU can clear your sins recorded in your morontial soul. That will be proven as science one day.
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Surprisingly, I agree with this statement. I'm glad someone else gets it.
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Hahaha. SURPRISINGLY, me too.
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Thanks for summing up this thread.






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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16*~

Easy as that.
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Typical Sunday School textbook answer. Psh. What, are you trying to give us the truth or something?
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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16*~

Easy as that.
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Typical Sunday School textbook answer. Psh. What, are you trying to give us the truth or something?
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In my opinion the concept of Jesus dying to wash away our 'sins' is classic 'something for nothing' and 'creating a problem and supplying a solution'.

The idea that we are born in 'sin' and that some other entity did the 'work' to remove said 'sin' is very strange to me. I know from experience and from observation of the world we live in that there is no external magic fix for the effects of our own actions. If we were born in 'sin' made by our own hands then in my opinion we would have to do our individual work to 'repair' ourselves without magic fixes based on belief. Why should another carry your load?

Secondly in my opinion the concept of being born in 'sin' combined with other facets of christianity provide a control structure. It is very similar to someone moving to a foreign country encountering a local cartel. The cartel says 'you are owing, we dont care that you didnt know, pay up or die'. Here is someone who faces a problem they did not know existed and offered a solution with the choices based on fear. The choice for those ruled by fear is obvious. I have to question any mechanism based on fear.


The reason for how this situation is portrayed in my opinion is to distort Jesus' message by distancing him from humanity. In placing Jesus above man they imply that man is inadequate and broken (born in sin), provide an image (of man) for man to worship and discourage those who would seek to emulate Jesus and recreate his works.

Rather than see Jesus as a template for man's potential he is presented as a distant deity, a unique unattainable level of existence privy only to the 'son of god' as if we are all not sons of god. It is a trap, for why take the hard route of being like Jesus when one can be contented that he did all the hard work 2000 years ago for us?

It is far better for those who presented and have perpetuated this concept to append control structures to a fear based system than to have individuals walking the earth who try to live to just 1% of the potential of man demonstrated by Jesus. The latter are clearly bad for business.

Jesus did great service other than living and leading by example but washing away 'sins' was not one of them and it can be seen how perpetuation of this fallacy has been an extremely useful control structure.

The purpose of the concept of dying for sins is to encourage spiritual lazyness and dependency, to append control structures to a fear based system and to devalue man's worthiness so that achieving man's true potential as demonstrated by Jesus will always be seen as an impossible goal.

This is the conclusion that I have come to at this time.
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the bible is full of lies and so are the teachings about Jesus. The way the soul is constructed, only YOU can clear your sins recorded in your morontial soul. That will be proven as science one day.
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Surprisingly, I agree with this statement. I'm glad someone else gets it.
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Hahaha. SURPRISINGLY, me too.
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Thanks for summing up this thread.






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Who needs Jesus? That dick. I can be perfect, too.
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the bible is full of lies and so are the teachings about Jesus. The way the soul is constructed, only YOU can clear your sins recorded in your morontial soul. That will be proven as science one day.
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Surprisingly, I agree with this statement. I'm glad someone else gets it.
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Hahaha. SURPRISINGLY, me too.
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Thanks for summing up this thread.






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Lots of locusts about these day DSS. But we must continue to work while it is still day.

No man can work when the night comes.

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Surprisingly, I agree with this statement. I'm glad someone else gets it.
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Hahaha. SURPRISINGLY, me too.
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Thanks for summing up this thread.






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Lots of locusts about these day DSS. But we must continue to work while it is still day.

No man can work when the night comes.

peace,
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Amen Jay.



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the bible is full of lies and so are the teachings about Jesus. The way the soul is constructed, only YOU can clear your sins recorded in your morontial soul. That will be proven as science one day.
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Surprisingly, I agree with this statement. I'm glad someone else gets it.
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Hahaha. SURPRISINGLY, me too.
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Thanks for summing up this thread.






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haha, yeah. But it's not all lies. I've said before that I'm surprised some of the original teachings, or lines, made it or I should say "survived" the Council of Nicea. There are seeds of truth in the Bible that need to be rescued, and planted into another paradigm. Which I've done, and the tomatoes are nice and refreshing...
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