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Lord.Kalin
User ID: 1295383 United States 07/26/2011 05:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you have no roads, and have to cross streams and rivers without bridges, you are traveling like the covered wagons did A wagon might do 15-25 miles in a day. Quoting: Dr. HouseNow do that with 80+ pounds on your back.... I just did - 16 miles in the North Cascades up to a high-lake on hiking-trails packing gear, (that's me on that hike in my pic) It was up about 2000 feet in elevation gain (or more) in about 24 hours - 3 weeks ago. WE could not even make it all the way to the lake because we were falling into 5' deep snow-drifts before we got there, So we had to turn around and come back down about 2 miles before we got to a good enough place to camp. Last Edited by Lord.Kayle on 07/26/2011 05:38 PM :LordKayleSig4: - "Your best investment is ammo, because it's going to weird quickly." - AC 1196210 - "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson's Personal Seal |
bbristowe
User ID: 1405457 Canada 07/26/2011 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you have no roads, and have to cross streams and rivers without bridges, you are traveling like the covered wagons did A wagon might do 15-25 miles in a day. Quoting: Dr. HouseNow do that with 80+ pounds on your back.... I just did - 16 miles in the North Cascades up to a high-lake on hiking-trails packing gear, (that's me on that hike in my pic) It was up about 2000 feet in elevation gain (or more) in about 24 hours - 3 weeks ago. That's really impressive. I have only recently started running (beginning of July) but I want to take up hiking. I find it really irritating jogging through a city block taking in all that exhaust and noise pollution. |
SafetyGuy
User ID: 1483814 United States 07/26/2011 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now do that with 80+ pounds on your back.... Quoting: Dr. HouseIf you are really prepared, all of the provisions you will need are already in place. This will eliminate the need to carry a heavy load when the time comes. Also, paying attention to what is going on, and being aware, can put you ahead of the game at the time escape to your predetermined location becomes necessary. "A religion that gives nothing, costs nothing, and suffers nothing, is worth nothing." ~ Martin Luther "Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others." Philippians 2:3-4 [link to www.badjao.org (secure)] |
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bbristowe
User ID: 1405457 Canada 07/26/2011 05:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now do that with 80+ pounds on your back.... Quoting: Dr. HouseIf you are really prepared, all of the provisions you will need are already in place. This will eliminate the need to carry a heavy load when the time comes. Also, paying attention to what is going on, and being aware, can put you ahead of the game at the time escape to your predetermined location becomes necessary. How can you prepare for the obvious variables that will no undoubtedly prove to be counter productive? |
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bbristowe
User ID: 1405457 Canada 07/26/2011 05:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | YOU CAN NOT bug out dummies Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1481486elites have bioweapons they are genetically engineering mosquitoes to deliver biological death to individual targets good luck hiding peaceful revolution only option i don't even want to think about what kind of death those things will carry in coming months. |
Lord.Kalin
User ID: 1295383 United States 07/26/2011 05:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you have no roads, and have to cross streams and rivers without bridges, you are traveling like the covered wagons did A wagon might do 15-25 miles in a day. Quoting: Dr. HouseNow do that with 80+ pounds on your back.... I just did - 16 miles in the North Cascades up to a high-lake on hiking-trails packing gear, (that's me on that hike in my pic) It was up about 2000 feet in elevation gain (or more) in about 24 hours - 3 weeks ago. That's really impressive. I have only recently started running (beginning of July) but I want to take up hiking. I find it really irritating jogging through a city block taking in all that exhaust and noise pollution. Thanks!~ I didn't even say anything about the steep-faced rock-slabbed (huge rock slabs all broken off - up to 10' long in places and probably about 15' deep or more) slope we climbed up looking for a possible mine the next day, That was extremely treacherous and I will NEVER go do it again! We're lucky it didn't start a slide and burry us!~ Last Edited by Lord.Kayle on 07/26/2011 05:45 PM :LordKayleSig4: - "Your best investment is ammo, because it's going to weird quickly." - AC 1196210 - "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson's Personal Seal |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1364022 United States 07/26/2011 05:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Modern humans think of a hundred or so miles in terms of a comfortable trip in Air/conditioned boxes. Quoting: Dr. HouseWhen TSHTF you can be certain that if you live in a city relying on freeways to get out of town - a million or more people will have the same idea. Those freeways will become parking lots. Even if only SOME of those people decide to take street roads and you are one of them, you will most likely find your vehicle standing still. Today the modern freeway is set at 65-75 miles per hour. It takes about 85 minutes (1 hour 15 minutes) to drive. A horse with a rider and little provisions “walks” at 3 to 4 MPH, on average that is 3.5 MPH. that is about 24.5 hours to travel 100 miles. Or about 28 miles in an 8 hour day. Most people walk at 2.5 to 3 miles per hour let’s say most walk at 3 MPH – it takes 33 and a third hours to travel 100 miles. Assuming they are traveling light. 24 miles in an 8 hour day. Of course neither horse nor man can walk a day nonstop. They need to stop for food, rest, drink. It will be three days to travel 100 miles. Assuming a 10 hour travel day, you will travel about 35 miles on horseback, 33 miles on foot – IF you stick to the roads which are nicely paved, level and have bridges and all of those wonderful conveniences that make travel faster. If you have no roads, and have to cross streams and rivers without bridges, you are traveling like the covered wagons did A wagon might do 15-25 miles in a day. Now do that with 80+ pounds on your back.... Reality sets it then for sure. Reminds me of The Stand or Swan Song....chaos for sure. Luckily for me I am already a good 50 miles outside of the city so I have a head start :) But honestly I don't think I'd leave here, I'd stay right where I am... I just hope the shit doesn't hit the fan when I'm not here...agoraphobia...??? DR House help! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1466027 United States 07/26/2011 05:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Modern humans think of a hundred or so miles in terms of a comfortable trip in Air/conditioned boxes. Quoting: Dr. HouseWhen TSHTF you can be certain that if you live in a city relying on freeways to get out of town - a million or more people will have the same idea. Those freeways will become parking lots. Even if only SOME of those people decide to take street roads and you are one of them, you will most likely find your vehicle standing still. Today the modern freeway is set at 65-75 miles per hour. It takes about 85 minutes (1 hour 15 minutes) to drive. A horse with a rider and little provisions “walks” at 3 to 4 MPH, on average that is 3.5 MPH. that is about 24.5 hours to travel 100 miles. Or about 28 miles in an 8 hour day. Most people walk at 2.5 to 3 miles per hour let’s say most walk at 3 MPH – it takes 33 and a third hours to travel 100 miles. Assuming they are traveling light. 24 miles in an 8 hour day. Of course neither horse nor man can walk a day nonstop. They need to stop for food, rest, drink. It will be three days to travel 100 miles. Assuming a 10 hour travel day, you will travel about 35 miles on horseback, 33 miles on foot – IF you stick to the roads which are nicely paved, level and have bridges and all of those wonderful conveniences that make travel faster. If you have no roads, and have to cross streams and rivers without bridges, you are traveling like the covered wagons did A wagon might do 15-25 miles in a day. Now do that with 80+ pounds on your back.... Or you could just stay put and hunker down, while all the masses attempt to flee and get stuck in your scenario... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1483824 United States 07/26/2011 05:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now do that with 80+ pounds on your back.... Quoting: Dr. HouseIf you are really prepared, all of the provisions you will need are already in place. This will eliminate the need to carry a heavy load when the time comes. Also, paying attention to what is going on, and being aware, can put you ahead of the game at the time escape to your predetermined location becomes necessary. why are you all gonna leave your homes for the woods? i mean i get the bug out thing but 80 lb ruck, really? if every1 leaves their homes that means i can drop at least a 15 lb tent and crash in all the empty 5000 sq ft homes with indoor pools along the way. and lets remember that guerilla situations call for guerilla tactics, so i can drop another 20 lbs bc ill be robbin' all the way. so i guess 45 lbs is more realistic. |
Survival Supply Industries
User ID: 1463082 United States 07/26/2011 05:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You need to brush up on your Urban Survival skills.... [link to survivalsupplyindustries.com] [link to survivalblog.com] "Man has evolved barely an inch from the very slime that spawned him." "It is better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have one." [link to survivalsupplyindustries.com] |
SafetyGuy
User ID: 1483819 United States 07/26/2011 05:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now do that with 80+ pounds on your back.... Quoting: Dr. HouseIf you are really prepared, all of the provisions you will need are already in place. This will eliminate the need to carry a heavy load when the time comes. Also, paying attention to what is going on, and being aware, can put you ahead of the game at the time escape to your predetermined location becomes necessary. How can you prepare for the obvious variables that will no undoubtedly prove to be counter productive? I have been prepping since the late 90's. I purchased a large farm in the SW Virginia mountains and have it well prepared for just about any man made or natural disaster that may come. There is over 2 years worth of food on hand not counting natural vegetation and wildlife which is also readily available. In addition it has abundant water from both springs and streams. There is a cabin on the property which is fully functional and off the power grid. And of course there are the common sense items such as medical supplies, water filters, weapons for both hunting and self defense, etc. As mentioned, I have been prepping for over a decade now. This location is not only for myself, but also several family members and very close friends who also contributed to the development of this location over the years. We have a plan in place for when the SHTF. Until then it is a nice vacation place that we all share throughout the year. So even if it is never needed, it is still a great investment. "A religion that gives nothing, costs nothing, and suffers nothing, is worth nothing." ~ Martin Luther "Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others." Philippians 2:3-4 [link to www.badjao.org (secure)] |
Lord.Kalin
User ID: 1295383 United States 07/26/2011 05:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My pack and what I was carrying was no where near 80 lbs though I have carried as much before I was probably right around 35 with what I had Not counting things on my belt 80lbs is insane! :LordKayleSig4: - "Your best investment is ammo, because it's going to weird quickly." - AC 1196210 - "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson's Personal Seal |
FUBAR
User ID: 980749 United States 07/26/2011 05:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great post. I think about this often.I will bug in.We all have B.O.B.'s just in case.This is the last thing that i want to do. I found a place in the mountains and pre placed tools,screws,tarps(in airtight containers,Swiss military water filtration,big old hand saws in cosmoline,things to build a nice shelter with.There is also a hidden low flow spring that i could get about 50 gallons of water from a day.Its on BLM land and i only found it by hunting deer and following a small game trail. I do not want to travel the 40 miles on foot to get there with food,guns,ammo.I have a few mini bikes with trailers that i built.If that wont work i have a back up plan with a horse farm real close by(a little trading). Just a man who has been humbled. Some days are pure hell. Others are to be appreciated. I'm finding my way with jesus. |
Resister
User ID: 669410 United States 07/26/2011 05:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In the event of a true disaster that requires people to leave large cities on foot, a lot of people who wait until the disaster happens will most likely die either in the city or on the way out from violence or lack of water. People attempting to flee in freezing temps or serious heat will die sooner. Do yourselves a favor. Get out now or plan to stay where you are until murdering thugs have died out and water and food are restored and pray it isn't freezing or scorching outside. "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
FUBAR
User ID: 980749 United States 07/26/2011 06:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also pre print out your sat maps on your powerline roads,fire roads,large game trails,hiking trails.Know how to get out of town by not using the public roads. Just a man who has been humbled. Some days are pure hell. Others are to be appreciated. I'm finding my way with jesus. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1469140 United States 07/26/2011 06:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now do that with 80+ pounds on your back.... Quoting: Dr. HouseIf you are really prepared, all of the provisions you will need are already in place. This will eliminate the need to carry a heavy load when the time comes. Also, paying attention to what is going on, and being aware, can put you ahead of the game at the time escape to your predetermined location becomes necessary. How can you prepare for the obvious variables that will no undoubtedly prove to be counter productive? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1044117 United States 07/26/2011 06:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wonder if people who have BO plans realize that it only takes a few variables to completely screw up any plan. A few that come to mind are: What if you are not where you need to be in order to successfully carry out your plan? What if you're at work, and your BO things are not in the car, but back at home, and since the (enter doom of choice here) happened, you can't get back home, and you have nothing but what you have on you. Forget about the car, the roads are jammed and going nowhere fast. Do you have contingencies? Thinking of running off to the "woods"? Better make damn sure that land is really yours, if you wish to set up. How many do not own remote property and will seek shelter in the surrounding wilds? Those people will not last long either. As in the cities, the same will be in the wild. When people run out of stuff and cannot buy it anymore, some of them are going to be coming for your stuff. If you have anything left that is. And on top of it, if you are not used to "roughing it", it will be hell when you are forced to do it. Oh, and if you're thinking of "hiding" for whatever reason, don't use your electronics. If they are still working, that is. There are people who know their survival shit. They are the ones who have the best chance, should such a scenario occur that requires those skills to be put to the test. But those people are a minority. I think that what I have posted has a few valid points, for those who have thought about maybe making a survival plan. BO usually means for a short time, but you have to look farther ahead than a couple of weeks. Have a nice day. |
Survival Supply Industries
User ID: 1463082 United States 07/26/2011 06:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | no sir... the city is not the place to be. "Man has evolved barely an inch from the very slime that spawned him." "It is better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have one." [link to survivalsupplyindustries.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1482379 United States 07/26/2011 06:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Read the online book Lights Out for a somewhat realistic scenario. Go ahead and do a search for it, it's free to read online. People in the cities will be SOOL *Shit Out Of Luck* when it comes to bailing out. If they do not have a destination they are worse off. The gridlocked freeways and highways will be either killing zones, deathtraps from heat, robbing/looting zones, you name it. Go on foot or bicycle if you cannot take a country road somewhere. Plan out your route of escape ahead of time, time it, add an hour or two for worse case scenarios such as robbing, looting, gridlock, etc. Have a designation planned. Alternate routes for driving, biking, walking. Note where water and food *not likely food*, have a way to purify the water you encounter. Take note of what areas you will be traveling through, are they seedy or rough, crime ridden? Take everything seriously and be prepared. Do your research. It will only take a day or two for people to turn feral. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1420498 United States 07/26/2011 06:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | good thing the the only family i have is a fleet of atvs and dirtbikes. i have kept my life simple and drama free for a reason. if the SHTF, i will be outta here, quick styles. my best atv avgs 100 mpg with a 3 gal tank and it has a trunk device i purchased that sits ontop of the rear rack. i also have a little trailer for it. |
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