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Sword0fGideon
(OP) User ID: 1441767  United States06/24/2011 09:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i myself have faith that Jesus, God and say....... oh yeah! Holy Spirit, seeing how its of God. and apparently was with all the apostles as the bible seems to clearly demonstrate.... that paul must have been an apostle. they was among us, but not part of us. if they was of us they would have continued on. but they left cause they wasnt part of us.... paraphrasing.... paul continued on with the apostles, however, it is evident that some people perhaps infiltrated the early church and then left..... may i suggest your querry continue with rome??? all roads lead there.... and for some it ends. Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well. This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them. The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends. Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers. Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them. And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter. Which is insanity! oxxxxx§:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+> |
| Sword0fGideon
(OP) User ID: 1441767 United States06/24/2011 09:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | shame to! the non catholic chic with the exceedingly loooooooooooong post with giants and such was interesting..... but i hate really loooooooooooog posts. Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well. This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them. The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends. Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers. Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them. And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter. Which is insanity! oxxxxx§:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+> |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 923252  Canada06/24/2011 09:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. 3 But Peter said , Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained , was it not thine own ? and after it was sold , was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. 5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down , and gave up the ghost : and great fear came on all them that heard these things. 6 And the young men arose , wound him up , and carried him out , and buried him. 7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done , came in . 8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said , Yea, for so much. 9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold , the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out . 10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost : and the young men came in , and found her dead, and, carrying her forth , buried her by her husband. Quoting: Sword0fGideoncan anybody understand what this is saying??? it basically says Peter has authority..... can anyone else see what else it is saying??? that through the Holy Spirit, Peter could discern things. 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; If Peter has the ability to discern, and paul is a false apostle, then why does Peter call him "beloved brother Paul"?? Again, if Paul is false, why then does Peter go with Paul to Rome??? the answer is simple, its because Paul wasnt a false apostle! To preach or teach otherwise is rebellion unto the Lord and his authority, because that is the authority Peter and all the Apostles worked under. 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest , as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. AND STICK TO THE STORY LINE!!! The Gentiles were storming the gates of heaven getting in. The Jews were the ones having problems understanding! thats why paul was successful and Peter wrote this, Peter was ministering to whom???? the Jews. works do not produce faith, works are a product of Faith!!   |
| Sword0fGideon
(OP) User ID: 1441767 United States06/24/2011 09:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is all emotional religious bullshit which has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Son which "New Testament" are you even talking about? You talking about the American Protestant Bible with 66 books? You talking about the American Catholic Bible with 77 books? Are you even aware that Bibles outside of America have up to 90 books in them? Are you even aware "Cannon" is different depending where you go? Quoting: Sword0fGideonNo......didn't think so. If you are to stupid to actually refute my post point by point, or to braindead to actually address the hundreds of points throughout this thread, then go away child and let the adults talk. Please leave the religious bullshit out of this thread and be a man and face the issues. Op I challenge you to actually Ban anyone on this thread who steps in with this foolishness and disrupts our debate. Let us try and leave the religious dolts like this guy out of this please! the problems im having are with people with walls of text and no referrences to bk ch and verse..... Chapters and verses never occurred in the Bible until over a thousand years after Jesus walked the Earth. You would do well to learn your Bible well enough where you do not depend on that crutch. You should know exactly where I am speaking of and where it occurs in the Scriptures! You have actually read the entire Bible all the way through right OP? (By Bible I mean the American Protestant one at least with 66 books. I might also suggest reading other Bibles with 90+ books but that is another story!) yeah right. but if i cite stuff then you ask chapter and verse so you can see it for yourself and its exact context.......... BS!!! book chapter and verse! i am not anyones proof reader and definetly not anyone stupid lap dog. your couting off rules upon entering the ring yet dont play by any rules of decency. do that on your own threads. and quit with your foul language, i tend to not take you seriously when you do that. we are talking about the word of God after all.......... Last Edited by Sword0fGideon on 06/24/2011 09:26 PM Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well. This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them. The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends. Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers. Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them. And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter. Which is insanity! oxxxxx§:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+> |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1194370 United States06/24/2011 09:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IMHO, People who doubt Paul are just not acquainted with the new creature which is manifest. The new creation which comes about. Not to call into question a persons salvation. But perhaps some of us never get off the bottle of milk. Even Peter says that his (Pauls) words are hard for some to understand. Hard for who? Peters gives us that answer and the resulting outcome of such men who strive against such things. So we (in our ignorance) call into question Paul's writings. Never for one moment calling into question our perception of things. Paul must be wrong because we are right!... right?... RIGHT! So then we move onto Luke. Then Peter.... The night is young OP. Perhaps we could do away with the New Testament before midnight? lol! Paul does not contradict The LORD. But some do not accept such things. So be it. LORD, open our eyes to your truth. Give us understanding of your message. Make us all strong to eat meat. God bless friends. Fight the good fight OP. peace, |
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| Resister
User ID: 1320423 United States06/24/2011 09:37 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why argue over the apostleship of Paul? He taught the Gospel of the resurection of Jesus Christ not for his own standing but for the salvation of any and all whom God gives an ear to hear. It is 2000+ years later and people are still looking at men instead of God. How foolish. Jesus Christ is Lord and rose from the grave victorious over death. Paul preached this. That is plain to see in any of his letters to the churches. People who refuse to accept and proclaim this are deaf and blind. Arguing with such people whom God has not called to Himself is foolishness. The belief in things unseen is called faith for a reason. Our job is to show people the truth. It is God who opens closed eyes and changes hearts, not us. Show them the truth of scripture. Pray for them. Rejoice in God's providence if they hear and repent... or shake the dust off your feet when you leave if they reject you. "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
| Daniel's Seventieth Seven User ID: 1071051 United States06/24/2011 09:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus himself told the Samaritan woman that THE JEWS HAD IT RIGHT ALL ALONG. ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1052634The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (Matt 21) Congratulations Is there a prize? ? |
| Sword0fGideon
(OP) User ID: 1441767 United States06/24/2011 09:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus himself told the Samaritan woman that THE JEWS HAD IT RIGHT ALL ALONG. ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1052634The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (Matt 21) Congratulations Is there a prize? ? what would you want? Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well. This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them. The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends. Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers. Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them. And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter. Which is insanity! oxxxxx§:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+> |
| Daniel's Seventieth Seven User ID: 1071051 United States06/24/2011 10:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Daniel's Seventieth Seven User ID: 1071051 United States06/24/2011 10:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (Matt 21) Congratulations Is there a prize? ? what would you want? A cookie. :) |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1052634 United States06/24/2011 10:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is done by a buddy of mine named Jeff Ward. Questions to Ask Your Preacher about Paul of Tarsus by Jeff Ward Can't you speak for yourself? ?? Yea cause clearly I did not make multiple post of my own words and thoughts. But hey, keep it up, by failing to actually address anything or any of the points I am making you are doing a better job of discrediting your religion then I ever could! O look what time it is! It is half-past stop being a coward and talk about the actual issues! |
| Sword0fGideon
(OP) User ID: 1441767 United States06/24/2011 10:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is done by a buddy of mine named Jeff Ward. Questions to Ask Your Preacher about Paul of Tarsus by Jeff Ward Can't you speak for yourself? ?? most unfortunate really..... to take the word of a wayward friend or fiend and risk burning in hell..... ultimately, the true question isnt paul or even the apostles. its upon God, His Son and Gods Holy Spirit, and seeing how its the Holy Spirit that is with us as well as it was with the Apostles, you dont want the words blaspheming and Holy Spirit anywhere near each other when it may be in reguards to yourself....... Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well. This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them. The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends. Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers. Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them. And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter. Which is insanity! oxxxxx§:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+> |
| Sword0fGideon
(OP) User ID: 1441767 United States06/24/2011 10:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1052634Congratulations Is there a prize? ? what would you want? A cookie. :) ummm, no. i eat cookies and i dont like sharing when i get them...... Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well. This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them. The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends. Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers. Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them. And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter. Which is insanity! oxxxxx§:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+> |
| Daniel's Seventieth Seven User ID: 1071051 United States06/24/2011 10:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is done by a buddy of mine named Jeff Ward. Questions to Ask Your Preacher about Paul of Tarsus by Jeff Ward Can't you speak for yourself? ?? ... address anything or any of the points I am making Just finishing a wonderful Sabbath feast;) The point you are making? or Mr Ward? You posted lots of stuff...(on behalf of Mr. Ward) do you have a favorite to address first? ?? |
| Sword0fGideon
(OP) User ID: 1441767 United States06/24/2011 10:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | parrots are cute too! wonder what colors they sport...... Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well. This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them. The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends. Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers. Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them. And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter. Which is insanity! oxxxxx§:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+> |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1432504  United Kingdom06/24/2011 10:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. 3 But Peter said , Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained , was it not thine own ? and after it was sold , was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. 5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down , and gave up the ghost : and great fear came on all them that heard these things. 6 And the young men arose , wound him up , and carried him out , and buried him. 7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done , came in . 8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said , Yea, for so much. 9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold , the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out . 10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost : and the young men came in , and found her dead, and, carrying her forth , buried her by her husband. Quoting: Sword0fGideoncan anybody understand what this is saying??? it basically says Peter has authority..... can anyone else see what else it is saying??? that through the Holy Spirit, Peter could discern things. 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; If Peter has the ability to discern, and paul is a false apostle, then why does Peter call him "beloved brother Paul"?? Again, if Paul is false, why then does Peter go with Paul to Rome??? the answer is simple, its because Paul wasnt a false apostle! To preach or teach otherwise is rebellion unto the Lord and his authority, because that is the authority Peter and all the Apostles worked under. 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest , as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. AND STICK TO THE STORY LINE!!! The Gentiles were storming the gates of heaven getting in. The Jews were the ones having problems understanding! thats why paul was successful and Peter wrote this, Peter was ministering to whom???? the Jews. works do not produce faith, works are a product of Faith!! Have you met him in person? R) |
| Sword0fGideon
(OP) User ID: 1441767 United States06/24/2011 10:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. 3 But Peter said , Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained , was it not thine own ? and after it was sold , was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. 5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down , and gave up the ghost : and great fear came on all them that heard these things. 6 And the young men arose , wound him up , and carried him out , and buried him. 7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done , came in . 8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said , Yea, for so much. 9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold , the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out . 10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost : and the young men came in , and found her dead, and, carrying her forth , buried her by her husband. Quoting: Sword0fGideoncan anybody understand what this is saying??? it basically says Peter has authority..... can anyone else see what else it is saying??? that through the Holy Spirit, Peter could discern things. 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; If Peter has the ability to discern, and paul is a false apostle, then why does Peter call him "beloved brother Paul"?? Again, if Paul is false, why then does Peter go with Paul to Rome??? the answer is simple, its because Paul wasnt a false apostle! To preach or teach otherwise is rebellion unto the Lord and his authority, because that is the authority Peter and all the Apostles worked under. 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest , as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. AND STICK TO THE STORY LINE!!! The Gentiles were storming the gates of heaven getting in. The Jews were the ones having problems understanding! thats why paul was successful and Peter wrote this, Peter was ministering to whom???? the Jews. works do not produce faith, works are a product of Faith!! Have you met him in person? R) are you saying that peter, with the Holy Spirit wouldnt be able to discern paul if he was a false apostle???? Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well. This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them. The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends. Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers. Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them. And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter. Which is insanity! oxxxxx§:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+> |
| Jerichofall
User ID: 1316155 Australia06/24/2011 10:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ok this one's close to my heart and I feel all of what I have read so far is MASSIVELY missing the point. I'm not going to write a novel or quote mountains of scripture but please listen. 'It's hard to kick against he goads' - yeah it is hard when you're being beaten but looking at certain death if you proceed - think about this. Peter would not discern Paul any better than he did Judas Iscariot - why? Was his spiritually lacking? OF COURSE NOT - but God doesn't need people to interfere with His plans, Yahushua had to be crucified and we know why. So there had already been a devil among the disciples/ apostles ok? I definitely believe that the benjamite Saul-Paul was an infiltrator (he calls himself the Master Builder ok think it over) - BUT God used this to fufil his own prohecy and since it was freely given to me by the Most High (in a hotel room at a work conference while I was studying my bible) I'm going to give it to you for free also:: Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: God has used Paul just like he used to Judas to realise the spiritual famine that would send us back in to that place which is SPIRITUALLY Egypt and Sodom. Now listen if you have ears to hear. The seven sick cows that ate the seven healthy cows to bring famine as interpreted by Joseph, was a symbol of Paul's seven (sick) churches consuming the seven healthy churches of Revelation to create the (spiritual) famine that has put us in to (spiritual) bondage to Pharaoh once again (right where we are now!!). Awesome! HallelluYAH and praise the Lamb of God who stands before him as if slain to cover our sins! Ok there is still one VERY important thing to know about Paul, and you might have to be a good Berean yourself here, but Paul is an archetype of BALAAM!!!!! He was sent to curse God's people and instead blessed them! God has turned the weapons of the enemy against himself once again! So if I can summarise the situation - Paul's many books in the new testament have replaced and devoured the knowledge that holy Christian/ Israelites should be seeking the holy spirit and wielding the authority of the power of the blood of Jesus/ Yahushua to destroy the kingdom of Satan. He tells each man to do what is good in his own eyes on the Sabbath, that the rules for fornication are lax, that women should keep quite in the churches and that faith and not works saves alone (but James says faith without works is dead!!!). BUT! Paul has disclosed many spiritual deep truths and given us some important and powerful tools for use in spiritual warfare because his curse has been made a blessing! The enemies plans always fail against the power and glory of the Almighty Yahuwah. There are twelve gates in the New Jerusalem for each Apostle and Matthias replaced Judas Iscariot - there is no gate for the wolf who ravages and divides the spoils. Last Edited by Jerichofall on 06/24/2011 10:44 PM Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them. Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land. |
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| Sword0fGideon
(OP) User ID: 1441767 United States06/24/2011 10:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ok this one's close to my heart and I feel all of what I have read so far is MASSIVELY missing the point. I'm not going to write a novel or quote mountains of scripture but please listen. Quoting: Jerichofall'It's hard to kick against he goads' - yeah it is hard when you're being beaten but looking at certain death if you proceed - think about this. Peter would not discern Paul any better than he did Judas Iscariot - why? Was his spiritually lacking? OF COURSE NOT - but God doesn't need people to interfere with His plans, Yahushua had to be crucified and we know why. So there had already been a devil among the disciples/ apostles ok? I definitely believe that the benjamite Saul-Paul was an infiltrator (he calls himself the Master Builder ok think it over) - BUT God used this to fufil his own prohecy and since it was freely given to me by the Most High (in a hotel room at a work conference while I was studying my bible) I'm going to give it to you for free also:: Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: God has used Paul just like he used to Judas to realise the spiritual famine that would send us back in to that place which is SPIRITUALLY Egypt and Sodom. Now listen if you have ears to hear. The seven sick cows that ate the seven healthy cows to bring famine as interpreted by Joseph, was a symbol of Paul's seven (sick) churches consuming the seven healthy churches of Revelation to create the (spiritual) famine that has put us in to (spiritual) bondage to Pharaoh once again (right where we are now!!). Awesome! HallelluYAH and praise the Lamb of God who stands before him as if slain to cover our sins! Ok there is still one VERY important thing to know about Paul, and you might have to be a good Berean yourself here, but Paul is an archetype of BALAAM!!!!! He was sent to curse God's people and instead blessed them! God has turned the weapons of the enemy against himself once again! So if I can summarise the situation - Paul's many books in the new testament have replaced and devoured the knowledge that holy Christian/ Israelites should be seeking the holy spirit and wielding the authority of the power of the blood of Jesus/ Yahushua to destroy the kingdom of Satan. He tells each man to do what is good in his own eyes on the Sabbath, that the rules for fornication are lax, that women should keep quite in the churches and that faith and not works saves alone (but James says faith without works is dead!!!). BUT! Paul has disclosed many spiritual deep truths and given us some important and powerful tools for use in spiritual warfare because his curse has been made a blessing! The enemies plans always fail against the power and glory of the Almighty Yahuwah. There are twelve gates in the New Jerusalem for each Apostle and Matthias replaced Judas Iscariot - there is no gate for the wolf who ravages and divides the spoils. although i can agree there is a problem with the christian religion, i will not say it was paul..... they warned us about rome all along, provided you see their obvious hints. call no one father, beware of men who wear long robes....... pauls teachings and the catholic doctrines conflict in one area really, they observe the doctrines like laws. you should be able to look at rome and see how it has either perversed twisted omitted and compromised the scriptures. this is no feat of paul, you need look no further than rome. you (the gentiles) have inherited lies from your fathers, this is stated in jeremiah. the roman church is the one that has been changing the meanings of the scriptures. in revelation it says many would come saying Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? and in your name didnt we perform miracles and cast out demons?? theres one church most noted for such things. and drunk on the blood of the saints...... Last Edited by Sword0fGideon on 06/24/2011 10:56 PM Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well. This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them. The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends. Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers. Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them. And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter. Which is insanity! oxxxxx§:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+> |
| oniongrass
User ID: 1193082 United States06/24/2011 10:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Aren't you supposed to love all men as your brothers? Evenif Paul was misguided, or even a jerk, it's still OK to love him. It doesn't mean that readers today should give some letters Paul wrote, perhaps with the best of intentions, any particular credibility. This argument by which we pay attention to Paul, a man who never even met Jesus Christ and was the sort to be a tax collector, is typical word-spinning that one encounters in church and from tax-advantaged pastors. Good reason to avoid such institutions and pray alone in a closet, as Jesus Christ suggested. . DON'T VAX, PROPHYLAX! ____________ There is no anger in Me: If one offers Me thorns and thistles, I will march to battle against him, And set all of them on fire. But if he holds fast to My refuge, He makes Me his friend; He makes Me his friend. (Isaiah 27:4-5) |
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| Sword0fGideon
(OP) User ID: 1441767 United States06/24/2011 11:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Aren't you supposed to love all men as your brothers? Evenif Paul was misguided, or even a jerk, it's still OK to love him. Quoting: oniongrassIt doesn't mean that readers today should give some letters Paul wrote, perhaps with the best of intentions, any particular credibility. This argument by which we pay attention to Paul, a man who never even met Jesus Christ and was the sort to be a tax collector, is typical word-spinning that one encounters in church and from tax-advantaged pastors. Good reason to avoid such institutions and pray alone in a closet, as Jesus Christ suggested. we could try that, and while we are all praying alone in our closets the enemy will be running by every fertile area and planting evil seeds of doubt and then christianity will be no more....... its because people dont run from people spreading lies, things like reading the koran in church is comming about, its because of compromising christians, there is a problem in the church. Jesus wondered if he would find faith when he returned. it is becoming fairly obvious to me that maybe his query was indeed a true one. because i'm finding that faith is definetly in short supply it seems. apparently, Jesus wasnt far off the mark......... Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well. This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them. The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends. Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers. Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them. And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter. Which is insanity! oxxxxx§:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+> |
| Daniel's Seventieh Seven User ID: 1071051 United States06/24/2011 11:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ok this one's close to my heart and I feel all of what I have read so far is MASSIVELY missing the point. Quoting: JerichofallHe tells each man to do what is good in his own eyes on the Sabbath, There is a four year old here that knows nothing about Paul but everything about the Sabbath. Who do you think is missing the point? Him or you? :) |
| Sword0fGideon
(OP) User ID: 1441767 United States06/24/2011 11:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Paul was a confused man who kept mixing up all sorts of stuff. I never cared for any of this stuff. He could not separate the old from the new teachings. Quoting: Nobody in Particularyou can be leader of them then....... Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well. This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them. The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends. Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers. Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them. And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter. Which is insanity! oxxxxx§:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+> |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 718316 Canada06/24/2011 11:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Aren't you supposed to love all men as your brothers? Evenif Paul was misguided, or even a jerk, it's still OK to love him. Quoting: oniongrassIt doesn't mean that readers today should give some letters Paul wrote, perhaps with the best of intentions, any particular credibility. This argument by which we pay attention to Paul, a man who never even met Jesus Christ and was the sort to be a tax collector, is typical word-spinning that one encounters in church and from tax-advantaged pastors. Good reason to avoid such institutions and pray alone in a closet, as Jesus Christ suggested. He met him, he followed him around and claimed he was the fake messiah and questioned his teachings. Jesus chased him off in fact. He was only "converted" because Esu blinded him, outside of Damascus with Fire works, and since Saul thought he was dead, he thought he was seeing a ghost and that did get his attention. But he never fully understood. |
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