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Sword0fGideon
(OP) User ID: 1450655  United States07/01/2011 09:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm leaving for my MIL's house later today. I won't be back until the middle of next week, barring the unforseen. Quoting: Sandi_TTry not to miss my sweet personality too much while I'm gone, umkay?  Don't worry, I'll take pictures of Miss Piggly! you have fun! happy 4th! Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well. This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them. The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends. Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers. Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them. And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter. Which is insanity! oxxxxx§:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+> |
| Sword0fGideon
(OP) User ID: 1450655 United States07/01/2011 09:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And another thing OP this is what I said Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1052634"Op I challenge you to actually Ban anyone on this thread who steps in with this foolishness and disrupts our debate." By using this to attack me and somehow justify your banning by using this against me, you also show that you entered into debate with me. If you entered into debate with me, then you agreed to my rules. I have shown several times that Paul is a liar, that Paul misquoted the Tanakh, the Paul misquoted Moses, that Paul attacked the authority of the 12 and that Paul contradicted the teachings of Jesus. My rule was that if I could show any of these EVEN ONE TIME, that you would at once declare Paul to be a false prophet. You have failed to honor your end of our agreement OP. Are you going to finally admit Paul is a false prophet? i aint your bitch little man. hit the bricks. Are we resorting to this now OP? Do you think in your mind that maybe if I am a "little man" that it somehow makes Paul legit? whats this? trying to take the moral high ground like the christians you speak against??? face it. you act like you own the place and dictate your will to everyone. demeaning everyone wether they know it or not. someone needs to put you in your place, an attitude adjustment. Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well. This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them. The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends. Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers. Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them. And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter. Which is insanity! oxxxxx§:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+> |
| Daniel's Seventieth Seven User ID: 1071051 United States07/01/2011 09:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I simply posted the thing by my buddy Jeff as DSS asked for verses. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1052634Yep- and it turned out to be great fun!... Just for fun- could you reference a scripture for each of your observations? Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051:o |
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| Sword0fGideon
(OP) User ID: 1450655 United States07/01/2011 09:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I simply posted the thing by my buddy Jeff as DSS asked for verses. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1052634Yep- and it turned out to be great fun!... Just for fun- could you reference a scripture for each of your observations? Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051:o morning daniel....... apparently he is to busy to cite the chapter and verse and only idiots and lazy christians use those things. Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well. This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them. The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends. Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers. Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them. And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter. Which is insanity! oxxxxx§:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+> |
| TwinSister
User ID: 1372751 United States07/01/2011 09:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you." Deuteronomy 4:2 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1448326"Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it." Deuteronomy 12:32 The verses above have been referred to as the Prophet test . Paul failed it by abrogating the Law , therefore he should be rejected for what he is . Paul never failed that test. You only interpret him as failing because you listen to other peoples words instead of judging Paul by his own words (and the Torah) in context to whom he was addressing. If you want to know what Paul believed instead of taught, read Acts 24-26 P.S. A messianic site called "Jesus's words only" sounds a bit fishy to me. jesus who is returned considered Paul his greatest enemy. and the Torah is none too hot either, full of error. thats what all the athiest are saying..........  If you don't have control of your mind.....someone else will! |
| Sword0fGideon
(OP) User ID: 1450655 United States07/01/2011 10:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You know, the planet is dying, and you would think this would be more a topic of discussion that the messed up and inaccurate bible. You ones need to live in the NOW. Quoting: Nobody in Particularbecause the planet isnt dying. if you understood your bible, you would understand that. Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well. This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them. The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends. Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers. Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them. And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter. Which is insanity! oxxxxx§:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+> |
| neim777
User ID: 1451714 United States07/04/2011 03:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am guessing you are trying to refute my post from last night on the apocrypha thread. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1441822Ask yourself, please. Does God change? No.we agree Does God lie? No.agree Did God allow the serpent in his own perfect garden (Eden)? Yes.i have no idea what a serpent has to do with this particular conversation, judas did fulfill that serpent if thats what you are driving at. Does God test His people? Yes.sure God tests his people, but if this is the way you want to look at things Mr. Catholic, then lets play! Do you think you are better than Adam and Eve or anyone else He tested? Paul is a liar, plain and simple. The faster you figure it out and get over it, the faster you can form a real relationship with God. this is a good point, but if we play it your way, then peter is a liar as well, and apparently peter has no authority, or the Holy Spirit much less the ability to discern, and by the way, this alludes you outright calling Jesus himself a liar! For it was Jesus himself that told the Apostles he would send the Holy Spirit to guide them into ALL TRUTHS! it is by the Holy Spirit the Peter can discern the intents of people, much like the story above, it is with the Holy SPirit which Peter had authority, referr to the story above again! It is with that same Holy SPirit Peter has that he would have outted Paul if indeed he was there amoung them as a false Apostle, NOT calling him "our beloved brother" but would have told him to die as he did the people in the story above. peter was not a soft man given into being nice, quite the contrary, he carried a sword and was prone to react dangerously, remember the roman guards ear??? remember the 2 people in the story above?? the truth of the matter is, your disillusioned. and are preaching and teaching a lie. Revelation 2:2-5 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. Paul did alot of work in ephesus. if paul was of those false apostles, why didnt they kill him alot sooner??? another thing, its plural, there was many false teachers/apostles. 2 Peter 2:1 KJV But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. and yet Peter say, "our beloved brother Paul" you are in error! Paul was not a fasle prophet. I use to say the same thing when I was out there but I realized it was the play of words by the elite gentiles who did a little tweaking here and there to misrepresent the teachings of messiah. We all have to be very cautious with this. A good example how they used the scripture to refute the sabbath and make a claim that Paul kept worship on Sunday is as below FIND A TYNSDALE BIBLE 1526...HE WAS THE FIRST TO TRANSLATE FROM THE GREEK TO ENGLISH AND THEN THE KING JAMES VERSION FOLLOWED AFTER HE WAS ASSASINATED FOR HERESIES "SO WE COMPARE THE TWO VERSES FROM ACTS CHAPTER 20 VERSE 7" KING JAMES VERSION 7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. 8 And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together _______________________________________________________ TYNDALES BIBLE: ITS OLD ENGLISH PRINTED BEFORE KING JAMES V BOOK OF ACTES CHP 20 VERSE 7 On 6 a saboth daye the disciples cam to gedder forto breake breed/ and Paul preached vnto them (redy to departe on the morowe) and continued his preachynge vnto mydnyght.There were many lightes in the chamber where we were gaddered to gedder/ and there sate in a wyndowe a certayne yonge man named Eutichos/ fallen into a depe slope. YOU CAN SEE IT WAS ORIGINALLY ON THE SABBATH DAY THEY CAME TOGETHER TO BREAK BREAD...AND PAUL PREACHED TILL MIDNIGHT INTO SUNDAY NIGHT ..REASON BEING IS THAT THEY GOT BACK LATE FROM CELEBRATING PENTECOST SO SUNSET WAS APPROACHING IN THE EVENING...THE NEW DAY STARTS AT SUNSET IN HEBREW CULTURE THERE YOU HAVE IT LADIES AND GENTLE MEN 1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, 42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. 43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. 44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. 45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth. 46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come, :knoup: |
| Sandi_T
User ID: 1301649 United States07/06/2011 03:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The story of the cake: We sent for a 'special courier' to bring MIL the special chocolates and the bouquet we bought her. Unfortunately, the courier was delayed, and this is why (Hint: She dropped the bouquet and ate the chocolates!)...      The last pic is the cupcakes I made for the kids. Anyway, the hooves on Piggly didn't turn out real well, but the box of chocolates and the bouquet look great, if I do say so myself. :p Last Edited by Sandi_T on 07/06/2011 04:35 PM No more requests in the "Strangest things" thread please. :hf: Past Lives requests thread: Thread: That Which Once Was: Past Lives |
| Sandi_T
User ID: 1301649 United States07/06/2011 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hmm, the cupcakes pic doesn't seem to be working... trying again... Well, poop.  Sorry! Last Edited by Sandi_T on 07/06/2011 03:32 PM No more requests in the "Strangest things" thread please. :hf: Past Lives requests thread: Thread: That Which Once Was: Past Lives |
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| Sandi_T
User ID: 1301649 United States07/06/2011 04:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sandi, I have to tell you that you are immensely talented! Your cake is absolutely gorgeous. Do you make cakes professionally? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1457359Thank you! No, this is the 4th whole fondant cake I've ever made, lol. My Mother-in-law loved it! As much because someone put forth that much time, work, and effort for her, as because it was cute. She more than deserved it. She's ALWAYS doing for others, so it was important to me to let her know that SHE deserves just as much as she gives! No more requests in the "Strangest things" thread please. :hf: Past Lives requests thread: Thread: That Which Once Was: Past Lives |
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| GUANO
User ID: 1417391 United States07/06/2011 05:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | cool pig! did you ever catch this? There is no Yahweh. There is no beast who requires sacrifices. Quoting: Sandi_TYahweh is not a name, it's a title, and it's Phoenician in origin. The concept is similar to your concept of God and is far more advanced than you give it credit for. It means "he who causes to exist"; contrary to popular belief and propaganda passed around in some circles, YHWH is not a volcano-god and does not represent ejaculation or anything similar... The root idea of the word itself is "to live". It basically is consciousness itself and is still a complete mystery to all religions and sciences... The "10 commandments" aren't commandments at all. Whoever started Judaism stole them from the COMMITMENTS of the Priests of the Book of the Dead. Quoting: Sandi_TNot true... Since we all know the 10 commandments.... Spell 125 of the Book of the Dead, contrary to the Book of Exodus, contains a moral code represented in a form of Negative Confession that the dead person has to recite when he descends to the hall of the Two Truths. He shall say: "Hail to thee, great God, Lord of the Two Truths. I have come unto thee, my Lord, that thou mayest bring me to see thy beauty. I know thee, I know thy name, I know the names of the 42 Gods who are with thee in this broad hall of the Two Truths . . . Behold, I am come unto thee. I have brought thee truth; I have done away with sin for thee. I have not sinned against anyone. I have not mistreated people. I have not done evil instead of righteousness... I have not reviled the God. I have not laid violent hands on an orphan. I have not done what the God abominates . . . I have not killed; I have not turned anyone over to a killer. I have not caused anyone's suffering . . . I have not copulated (illicitly); I have not been unchaste. I have not increased nor diminished the measure, I have not diminished the palm; I have not encroached upon the fields. I have not added to the balance weights; I have not tempered with the plumb bob of the balance. I have not taken milk from a child's mouth; I have not driven small cattle from their herbage . . . I have not stopped (the flow of) water in its seasons; I have not built a dam against flowing water. I have not quenched a fire in its time . . . I have not kept cattle away from the God's property. I have not blocked the God at his processions." It's all stolen. Many of the "great wisdoms" in the bible are simply stolen from other cultures and then laid claim to. Quoting: Sandi_TThe bible contains some truth, certainly. But few about God, and certainly not the "name" of God. Many of the "great wisdoms" in ancient mystery-religions contain some truth, certainly. Everything which exists as well as every process which governs the fate of 'things which exist' inherently contains the truth about God. To ignore this fact is simply and completely illogical. There aren't many "elohim" because there is a single Being or Entity who created everything and is in everything and around everything and through everything. And because it is ONE, it doesn't need a name. Quoting: Sandi_T"Elohim" is a a singular being in plural sense... If you really want to get into ancient creation-myth of the various cultures it's all the same damn thing really, the archons, angels, pantheons, etc... Logically, for a unified model to work, or even just a Biblical model, the Elohim must represent a group of living creatures which are actually the body of God. These beings are not like us, and when I say 'being' I do not exactly mean living creature in the sense that you and I are people with physical bodies, a being is just any-thing (even a concept) which can be said to 'exist'... My current understanding, which could evolve while I'm writing this, the pantheon/angels/deities/archons/etc, are the processes responsible for everything that is and everything that happens... There is a very strict hierarchy up there but it's in the order of consciousness... This is mimicked in the mystery-religions which have tried to make images of the heirarchies in 'heaven', down here on earth--this is where we get policy and government, empiredom... The thing is that 1/3 of the angelic forces are considered 'fallen' by just about every mythos there is... Names are for identification and differentiation. There is nothing and no one from which to differentiate that which we call "God" or "Source" or "The Infinite Intelligence Which Created Everything" or "The Creator" etc. God doesn't need a name, because there are no others. Quoting: Sandi_T+1 I would agree, if it weren't for the whole problem with the "connections" to the name "Jesus" which include the sacrifice to save us from the monster business. Quoting: Sandi_TMPD? Sorry, drawing a mental blank here and feeling kinda silly about it. Multiple Personality Disorder? What conclusions were you curious about from me on the subject? Whether it's real, or...? I haven't really mentioned my view on it because I am pretty certain I don't have it. I have no memory gaps, which is one of the major indicating factors in it. Sorry, I meant NDE's. What bothers me is when, even given absolute proof, they STILL refuse to acknowledge their unconscious or even mindless actions, words, or manipulations. Quoting: Sandi_TMost people "say one thing" but "mean another" to such a degree that I imagine any kind of outside "entity" looking in might easily fail to understand what's really being said AT ALL. Many "turns of phrase" actually don't make any sense. Yet they are accepted without the bat of an eyelash. All human languages should be wiped out. I make this statement in 100% faith: If people could learn to speak correctly, it would change the whole makeup of the universe. In fantasy-land where I live, when one person is convinced of the truth, they only must speak it and it 'is'... When 'that Guy' returns with 'the Elohim', things are going to change around here, when someone who is unquestionably in charge of everything in the universe comes back and says that our system of government and economics is flawed and should be wiped out, it will be wiped out immediately as no-thing will have a question about the validity of that statement and thus the concept will never be manifested again and only be a memory of pain and suffering, and in that way it will burn forever in eternal torment... But who cares? 'evil policy' and 'evil ideas' are nothing but ideas anyways so let 'em burn! Total Protonic Reversal... |
| Sandi_T
User ID: 1301649 United States07/06/2011 06:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, I saw it. I'm wiped from my 'vacation' and I was rushing to get ready for it before I left. I'll get back to you on it in more depth, but suffice it to say that I don't agree with you and that the 10 commandments were "written in stone" alright... but not by ANY god, unless you worship human beings. For now, I'm not up to debating. No more requests in the "Strangest things" thread please. :hf: Past Lives requests thread: Thread: That Which Once Was: Past Lives |
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| Sword0fGideon
(OP) User ID: 1457762 United States07/06/2011 09:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay. Cake pictures... Quoting: Sandi_TOnce again- thank you for sharing. It is always nice to see something so beautiful....! :) it was pretty.... Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well. This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them. The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends. Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers. Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them. And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter. Which is insanity! oxxxxx§:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+:+> |
| Clique777
User ID: 1457859 United States07/07/2011 12:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's a fine theory, OP, but it is just a theory. The reason you believe it is because it scratches your current particular itch. In 6 months, or 2 years, or 10 years you will have a different theory. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1417778fine theory?? the only way you can make that claim is if you have not the Spirit. if you was trully a believer, then you would understand that peter discerned through the spirit, much like God, looking at the hearts of men...... Cor 2:14: "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." But then, Paul wrote that! HaHaHaHa! I certainly agree with the Apostle (emphasis added) Paul, who as you wrote, had Peter's seal of spiritual approval. Life imitating Paul's words? Clique777 |
| Daniel's Seventieth Seven User ID: 1071051 United States07/07/2011 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Cor 2:14: "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned...." Quoting: Clique7771Cor2:15: But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. .) |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1454713 United States07/07/2011 01:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | he's a Roman Catholic Priest.  nana nana boo boo.Romans 8:2 A minister of the holies, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord hath pitched, and not man Romans 11:21 The tabernacle also and all the vessels of the ministry, in like manner, he sprinkled with blood. Hebrews 10:11 And every priest indeed standeth daily ministering, and often offering the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins + + + Eerdmans Bible Commentary (Protestant, p. 1044) concurs: Paul describes his divine commission in terms of the priesthood: a minister (Gk. leitourgos; lit. a ‘priest’; cf. Heb. 8:2), in the priestly service (Gk. hierourgon) and offering (Gk. prosphora) are three sacerdotal terms. Thus, Paul has called himself a priest — using two different terms. We get the word liturgy from litourgos (Strong’s word #3011; cf. 3008, 3009, and 3010). Strong’s online, for word #3008 (litourgeo) applies it to, among other things, “priests and Levites who were busied with the sacred rites in the tabernacle or the temple.” The author of Hebrews applies one of these terms to priests in the Old Covenant sense in Hebrews 9:21; 10:11 and to Jesus as high priest in 8:2. Given the central motif in the New Testament of Jesus as the sacrificial lamb, it stands to reason that the Sacrifice of the Mass would be associated with the Eucharist, as the central rite of Christian worship. |
| GUANO
User ID: 1417391 United States07/07/2011 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, I saw it. I'm wiped from my 'vacation' and I was rushing to get ready for it before I left. I'll get back to you on it in more depth, but suffice it to say that I don't agree with you and that the 10 commandments were "written in stone" alright... but not by ANY god, unless you worship human beings. Quoting: Sandi_TFor now, I'm not up to debating. eh, no need for response. I don't understand why people argue about things that aren't proven... No one can prove that the 10 commandments ever existed in stone the first place. Nor the Ark, nor King David himself. The book of Genesis can't even be proven to exist before about 500-600 BC. It's kind of pointless to even bother. The only thing that has ever proven any of it to be real to me is personal experience... Total Protonic Reversal... |
