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For those who doubt the apostle paul

 
Sword0fGideon  (OP)

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Op I challenge you to actually Ban anyone on this thread who steps in with this foolishness and disrupts our debate. Let us try and leave the religious dolts like this guy out of this please!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1052634


ok, so the thread was supposed to be about the troll?

if i asked chip for chapter and verse, wouldn't he provide?

did i not comply with the trolls own words and ban him?

i'm so harsh!

the troll motions to ban, and when i do, im the monster..........
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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Op I challenge you to actually Ban anyone on this thread who steps in with this foolishness and disrupts our debate. Let us try and leave the religious dolts like this guy out of this please!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1052634


ok, so the thread was supposed to be about the troll?

if i asked chip for chapter and verse, wouldn't he provide?

did i not comply with the trolls own words and ban him?

i'm so harsh!

the troll motions to ban, and when i do, im the monster..........
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon


Dude, throw off the yoke and get a good night's sleep.

You will look at the world in a whole new way.
Sword0fGideon  (OP)

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Op I challenge you to actually Ban anyone on this thread who steps in with this foolishness and disrupts our debate. Let us try and leave the religious dolts like this guy out of this please!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1052634


ok, so the thread was supposed to be about the troll?

if i asked chip for chapter and verse, wouldn't he provide?

did i not comply with the trolls own words and ban him?

i'm so harsh!

the troll motions to ban, and when i do, im the monster..........
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon


Dude, throw off the yoke and get a good night's sleep.

You will look at the world in a whole new way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1449315


sleep sounds awesome, but im waiting for my nephew.......

i have to do some work on the house.
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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First of all OP you are a utter coward for banning me. I just want to get that out of the way. Stuff like that is one reason I tend to detest MOST Christians (My neighbor is a christian, but I quite like him) Christians just love to ban, convert or die, inquisitions, and much more to anyone who dares to question them. My people are well used to your games! I do realize though it is easier to actually just ban and silence me then step up to the plate like a real man and have a real conversation and intellectual discussion.

I hope you have matured enough on this thread to not simply ban anyone who disagrees with you and calls you out. (especially one who refutes every point you make and actually debates you).

For all of you who pointed what a complete and utter fool the OP made of himself for banning me I appreciate it. DSS, even though you and I do not agree and I got very annoyed at you because you refused to answer the hundreds of points regarding Paul, I do appreciate you also speaking up for me.

Also OP, you really need to stop calling me a troll, it really makes you look foolish also. I have taken more of my time then most on this thread to type out entire responses to your post and to post hundreds of points regarding the false and self-proclaimed gentile from Tarsus. You need to just admit that you banned me because you could not refute ANYTHING I said or brought up.

I do have one question OP, before I waste anymore of my time, are you even willing to be a man now and actually address the issues that I have raised regarding Paul and other issues with the so called "New Testament"?

I would like to answer one question before I was so rudely banned from this thread by the OP.

Several people brought up the "O man, Paul performed Miracles, so he must be a prophet". This is nonsense and shows you christians have not read your Bibles. The Creator himself promised to empower false prophets to perform signs, miracles, and wonders for the express purpose of testing people to see if they would keep the commandments. So all Paul's ALLEGED miracles would do is QUALIFY HIM FOR THE OFFICE OF FALSE PROPHET TO TEST YOU TO SEE IF YOU WOULD KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES! YOU CHRISTIANS HAVE FAILED THAT TEST. But you can repent from it.


O and Sandi T, I like you. I 100% agree with you that christianity makes God out to be a monster and all the points you raised regarding christians (Who if they read their Bible, would know that Passover is not even a sin sacrifice) And I want to tell you that I 100% believe a person who has never heard of "Jesus" or even the Torah for that matter who lives a good life, is a good neighbor, and a seeker of truth will see the life to come. I am also happy you did not judge the Creator based upon the moronic religion of christianity.
Sword0fGideon  (OP)

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First of all OP you are a utter coward for banning me. I just want to get that out of the way. Stuff like that is one reason I tend to detest MOST Christians (My neighbor is a christian, but I quite like him) Christians just love to ban, convert or die, inquisitions, and much more to anyone who dares to question them. My people are well used to your games! I do realize though it is easier to actually just ban and silence me then step up to the plate like a real man and have a real conversation and intellectual discussion.

I hope you have matured enough on this thread to not simply ban anyone who disagrees with you and calls you out. (especially one who refutes every point you make and actually debates you).

For all of you who pointed what a complete and utter fool the OP made of himself for banning me I appreciate it. DSS, even though you and I do not agree and I got very annoyed at you because you refused to answer the hundreds of points regarding Paul, I do appreciate you also speaking up for me.

Also OP, you really need to stop calling me a troll, it really makes you look foolish also. I have taken more of my time then most on this thread to type out entire responses to your post and to post hundreds of points regarding the false and self-proclaimed gentile from Tarsus. You need to just admit that you banned me because you could not refute ANYTHING I said or brought up.

I do have one question OP, before I waste anymore of my time, are you even willing to be a man now and actually address the issues that I have raised regarding Paul and other issues with the so called "New Testament"?

I would like to answer one question before I was so rudely banned from this thread by the OP.

Several people brought up the "O man, Paul performed Miracles, so he must be a prophet". This is nonsense and shows you christians have not read your Bibles. The Creator himself promised to empower false prophets to perform signs, miracles, and wonders for the express purpose of testing people to see if they would keep the commandments. So all Paul's ALLEGED miracles would do is QUALIFY HIM FOR THE OFFICE OF FALSE PROPHET TO TEST YOU TO SEE IF YOU WOULD KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES! YOU CHRISTIANS HAVE FAILED THAT TEST. But you can repent from it.


O and Sandi T, I like you. I 100% agree with you that christianity makes God out to be a monster and all the points you raised regarding christians (Who if they read their Bible, would know that Passover is not even a sin sacrifice) And I want to tell you that I 100% believe a person who has never heard of "Jesus" or even the Torah for that matter who lives a good life, is a good neighbor, and a seeker of truth will see the life to come. I am also happy you did not judge the Creator based upon the moronic religion of christianity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1052634


why is it alright to ban the other guy and not you?

your good at posting questions but you cant seem to understand chapter and verse.

even sandi would agree with that.

and the only thing you actually posted was someone elses work.

how does this make you so wonderful? you even admitted to it. so they arent really your questions..........

isnt that plagerism? which is against the law?

and isnt that a troll like quality?

your barely back and already you want to butt horns with me again? and where will that get you?

can you not conduct yourself in an orderly manner?

why not start your own thread? oh, wait, nevermind........
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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Paul was chill. i like his love verse. Love is kind, love is patient. One of the geniuses of western literature even though his letters were written in street greek.
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DSS, ... I do appreciate you also speaking up for me.


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You're welcome.






:)
Sword0fGideon  (OP)

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DSS, ... I do appreciate you also speaking up for me.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1052634



You're welcome.






:)
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


how sweet
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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DSS, ... I do appreciate you also speaking up for me.


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You're welcome.


 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


how sweet
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon




He's 'smitten'....



:)
Sword0fGideon  (OP)

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DSS, ... I do appreciate you also speaking up for me.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1052634



You're welcome.


 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


how sweet
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon




He's 'smitten'....



:)
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


like hitting on you?

or a man crush?
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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...



You're welcome.


 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


how sweet
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon




He's 'smitten'....



:)
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


like hitting on you?

or a man crush?
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon




You decide...

Aren't you the expert?





;)
Sword0fGideon  (OP)

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hey, its your thing, do whatcha wanna do........

wish y'all all the luck
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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sure are quiet tonight........
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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sure are quiet tonight........
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Did you forget that your question regarding Ezekiel was answered?

Did you really want to know?

Or were you just trying to 'bump' your thread?




?
Sword0fGideon  (OP)

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sure are quiet tonight........
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Did you forget that your question regarding Ezekiel was answered?

Did you really want to know?

Or were you just trying to 'bump' your thread?




?
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


i lost interest in it.
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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im gonna go look at stars for a while.......
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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sure are quiet tonight........
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Did you forget that your question regarding Ezekiel was answered?

Did you really want to know?

Or were you just trying to 'bump' your thread?



 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


i lost interest in it.
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon



Yeah- hard to top a Pink Pig cake:)





:D
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First of all OP you are a utter coward for banning me. I just want to get that out of the way. Stuff like that is one reason I tend to detest MOST Christians (My neighbor is a christian, but I quite like him) Christians just love to ban, convert or die, inquisitions, and much more to anyone who dares to question them. My people are well used to your games! I do realize though it is easier to actually just ban and silence me then step up to the plate like a real man and have a real conversation and intellectual discussion.

I hope you have matured enough on this thread to not simply ban anyone who disagrees with you and calls you out. (especially one who refutes every point you make and actually debates you).

For all of you who pointed what a complete and utter fool the OP made of himself for banning me I appreciate it. DSS, even though you and I do not agree and I got very annoyed at you because you refused to answer the hundreds of points regarding Paul, I do appreciate you also speaking up for me.

Also OP, you really need to stop calling me a troll, it really makes you look foolish also. I have taken more of my time then most on this thread to type out entire responses to your post and to post hundreds of points regarding the false and self-proclaimed gentile from Tarsus. You need to just admit that you banned me because you could not refute ANYTHING I said or brought up.

I do have one question OP, before I waste anymore of my time, are you even willing to be a man now and actually address the issues that I have raised regarding Paul and other issues with the so called "New Testament"?

I would like to answer one question before I was so rudely banned from this thread by the OP.

Several people brought up the "O man, Paul performed Miracles, so he must be a prophet". This is nonsense and shows you christians have not read your Bibles. The Creator himself promised to empower false prophets to perform signs, miracles, and wonders for the express purpose of testing people to see if they would keep the commandments. So all Paul's ALLEGED miracles would do is QUALIFY HIM FOR THE OFFICE OF FALSE PROPHET TO TEST YOU TO SEE IF YOU WOULD KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES! YOU CHRISTIANS HAVE FAILED THAT TEST. But you can repent from it.


O and Sandi T, I like you. I 100% agree with you that christianity makes God out to be a monster and all the points you raised regarding christians (Who if they read their Bible, would know that Passover is not even a sin sacrifice) And I want to tell you that I 100% believe a person who has never heard of "Jesus" or even the Torah for that matter who lives a good life, is a good neighbor, and a seeker of truth will see the life to come. I am also happy you did not judge the Creator based upon the moronic religion of christianity.
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why is it alright to ban the other guy and not you?

your good at posting questions but you cant seem to understand chapter and verse.

even sandi would agree with that.

and the only thing you actually posted was someone elses work.

how does this make you so wonderful? you even admitted to it. so they arent really your questions..........

isnt that plagerism? which is against the law?

and isnt that a troll like quality?

your barely back and already you want to butt horns with me again? and where will that get you?

can you not conduct yourself in an orderly manner?

why not start your own thread? oh, wait, nevermind........
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon


why is it alright to ban the other guy and not you?

I said you should ban people who misdirect the thread and do not actual participate in the debate and address the issues (Course I guess you would have to ban yourself)

your good at posting questions but you cant seem to understand chapter and verse.

Believe it or not I have much better things to do with my time then list each chapter and verse for hundreds of points. As I said before Chapters and verses are crutches that are used to dumb christians down. They never existed in the scriptures and were added. Every point though can easily be found if you look

even sandi would agree with that.

and the only thing you actually posted was someone elses work.

Ah here we go with the christian lies again. Op anyone can read through this entire thread and see that the majority of my post were my own words and thoughts. I simply posted the thing by my buddy Jeff as DSS asked for verses.

I mean good lord christian, you whine about "verses" and then I give you a thing with "verses" and you whine then.


And another thing.........Jeff's points regarding Paul of Tarsus still stand! You whining that I did not personally write them does not magically make them go away! THIS IS SIMPLY A MISDIRECT ON YOUR PART TO AVOID THE QUESTIONS AND IS CALLED INTELLECTUAL SUICIDE

how does this make you so wonderful? you even admitted to it. so they arent really your questions..........

Once again you silly Christian, I posted many things on here that were not Jeff's. Believe it or not I have other things to do in life rather then sit around and argue with christians all day about obvious contradictions in the Bible!

And once again, this thread is about the Apostle Paul, in fact the name of the thread is "For those who doubt the Apostle Paul".

Op you truly are being a coward by avoiding my questions and the questions of Jeff that I posted. In fact everytime you attempt to misdirect and run away from the questions with silly excuses like this you defeat your own thread.

THE QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER I OR JEFF WROTE IT, THE QUESTION IS THIS: IS WHAT IS WRITTEN TRUE?


isnt that plagerism? which is against the law?

Uh no moron, I gave him credit. I also posted that Jeff was a personal friend of mine. Jeff could care less whether I posted his questions or not. he wrote them (and I helped with several of them FYI) to wake up ignorant christians who are to lazy to read their Bibles.

and isnt that a troll like quality?

Rationlizing in your mind that I am a troll, does not magically make Paul a legit Apostle OP. Truth be known I think the real troll here is you. I am actually engaging in debate, while you engage in silly games. This very Post I am speaking about right at this moment is a perfect example.

Keep acting the fool though. I am sure there are plenty of christians and other people reading this and seeing how you act, and reading my questions about Paul, and then SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH!


your barely back and already you want to butt horns with me again? and where will that get you?

You already made a total fool of yourself once by banning me. You already discredited your entire thread by banning me. Are you going to make the same mistake again? Do you think by banning me that somehow makes Paul legit?

I mean good grief OP, you make a thread about Paul being legit, then when I come along and disagree with you, you ban me, and then threaten to ban me again. But in the end that is all you christians can do right? Convert or Die, Shut up or be banned!

Why don't you gird up your loins and actually engage me in debate and stop threatening to ban me.


can you not conduct yourself in an orderly manner?

I tried. I even set down rules for the debate before you engaged me. You refused to go by them. You refused to address my points. You instead stuck your head in the sand and acted like a ostrich and then when you couldn't take the heat you banned me like a coward.

So let me ask you the same question. Why can you not conduct YOURSELF in a orderly manner? Why must you constantly commit intellectual suicide? If you are such a great christian scholar then this should be easy!


why not start your own thread? oh, wait, nevermind......

I simply started a new thread to answer the questions about Paul performing miracles as you failed to inform people that you had banned me UNTIL OTHERS BROUGHT IT UP TO THE PUBLIC on the thread.

I called you a coward in the thread for banning me, and it seems having a Title with your name on it is a "call out thread" and against the rules. I did not realize this and did apologize to the moderators for my ignorance.

Course I guess you are right OP, I guess I could start a new thread. About real issues ..................Course, I doubt I will ever find one christian who will actually belly up to the counter and answer all my questions.

You see deep down you already know I am 100% correct, and it terrifies you to face your fears. To ask those questions.

Because you have been brainwashed your entire life that anyone who thinks different then your particular religious guru is going be tortured for trillions upon trillions of years (and that is just the start)

You know what is ironic OP, I am one of the few people on this planet who have ever dared to tell you the truth. O well, no one can say I did not try.
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And by the way OP, I see you deleted my very first post from this thread.

Funny enough, you forgot to delete all the people who quoted it on page one.

You love deleting all my post and then attacking me and accusing me of only copy and pasting what Jeff wrote!

O you wicked christians and the games you play!
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And another thing OP this is what I said

"Op I challenge you to actually Ban anyone on this thread who steps in with this foolishness and disrupts our debate."

By using this to attack me and somehow justify your banning by using this against me, you also show that you entered into debate with me.

If you entered into debate with me, then you agreed to my rules.

I have shown several times that Paul is a liar, that Paul misquoted the Tanakh, the Paul misquoted Moses, that Paul attacked the authority of the 12 and that Paul contradicted the teachings of Jesus.

My rule was that if I could show any of these EVEN ONE TIME, that you would at once declare Paul to be a false prophet.

You have failed to honor your end of our agreement OP.

Are you going to finally admit Paul is a false prophet?
Sword0fGideon  (OP)

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First of all OP you are a utter coward for banning me. I just want to get that out of the way. Stuff like that is one reason I tend to detest MOST Christians (My neighbor is a christian, but I quite like him) Christians just love to ban, convert or die, inquisitions, and much more to anyone who dares to question them. My people are well used to your games! I do realize though it is easier to actually just ban and silence me then step up to the plate like a real man and have a real conversation and intellectual discussion.

I hope you have matured enough on this thread to not simply ban anyone who disagrees with you and calls you out. (especially one who refutes every point you make and actually debates you).

For all of you who pointed what a complete and utter fool the OP made of himself for banning me I appreciate it. DSS, even though you and I do not agree and I got very annoyed at you because you refused to answer the hundreds of points regarding Paul, I do appreciate you also speaking up for me.

Also OP, you really need to stop calling me a troll, it really makes you look foolish also. I have taken more of my time then most on this thread to type out entire responses to your post and to post hundreds of points regarding the false and self-proclaimed gentile from Tarsus. You need to just admit that you banned me because you could not refute ANYTHING I said or brought up.

I do have one question OP, before I waste anymore of my time, are you even willing to be a man now and actually address the issues that I have raised regarding Paul and other issues with the so called "New Testament"?

I would like to answer one question before I was so rudely banned from this thread by the OP.

Several people brought up the "O man, Paul performed Miracles, so he must be a prophet". This is nonsense and shows you christians have not read your Bibles. The Creator himself promised to empower false prophets to perform signs, miracles, and wonders for the express purpose of testing people to see if they would keep the commandments. So all Paul's ALLEGED miracles would do is QUALIFY HIM FOR THE OFFICE OF FALSE PROPHET TO TEST YOU TO SEE IF YOU WOULD KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES! YOU CHRISTIANS HAVE FAILED THAT TEST. But you can repent from it.


O and Sandi T, I like you. I 100% agree with you that christianity makes God out to be a monster and all the points you raised regarding christians (Who if they read their Bible, would know that Passover is not even a sin sacrifice) And I want to tell you that I 100% believe a person who has never heard of "Jesus" or even the Torah for that matter who lives a good life, is a good neighbor, and a seeker of truth will see the life to come. I am also happy you did not judge the Creator based upon the moronic religion of christianity.
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why is it alright to ban the other guy and not you?

your good at posting questions but you cant seem to understand chapter and verse.

even sandi would agree with that.

and the only thing you actually posted was someone elses work.

how does this make you so wonderful? you even admitted to it. so they arent really your questions..........

isnt that plagerism? which is against the law?

and isnt that a troll like quality?

your barely back and already you want to butt horns with me again? and where will that get you?

can you not conduct yourself in an orderly manner?

why not start your own thread? oh, wait, nevermind........
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why is it alright to ban the other guy and not you?

I said you should ban people who misdirect the thread and do not actual participate in the debate and address the issues (Course I guess you would have to ban yourself)

participate........ and complying with chapter and verse? wouldnt that be participating?

your good at posting questions but you cant seem to understand chapter and verse.

Believe it or not I have much better things to do with my time then list each chapter and verse for hundreds of points. As I said before Chapters and verses are crutches that are used to dumb christians down. They never existed in the scriptures and were added. Every point though can easily be found if you look

well, if your to busy then why post anything at all? wouldnt want to eat up your precious time with useless debating......... sandi uses chapter and verse, so does hard truth to my recollection, even daniel..... are you insinuating they are stupid?

even sandi would agree with that.

and the only thing you actually posted was someone elses work.

Ah here we go with the christian lies again. Op anyone can read through this entire thread and see that the majority of my post were my own words and thoughts. I simply posted the thing by my buddy Jeff as DSS asked for verses.

I mean good lord christian, you whine about "verses" and then I give you a thing with "verses" and you whine then.


actually, i quit reading your posts when you screwed up the first one. it's not, "I'll be your huckle berry" its, "I'll be your huckle bearer".

when attending a funeral in those days, people carried huckle, to mask the smell of death. when it was said, "I'll be you huckle bearer" it was to imply ill carry flowers to your funeral.


And another thing.........Jeff's points regarding Paul of Tarsus still stand! You whining that I did not personally write them does not magically make them go away! THIS IS SIMPLY A MISDIRECT ON YOUR PART TO AVOID THE QUESTIONS AND IS CALLED INTELLECTUAL SUICIDE

i already found my answers, hence the purpose of the thread, normally i go on odessy by myself, this time rather i thought to drag along others as well. if they learned something, great.

how does this make you so wonderful? you even admitted to it. so they arent really your questions..........

Once again you silly Christian, I posted many things on here that were not Jeff's. Believe it or not I have other things to do in life rather then sit around and argue with christians all day about obvious contradictions in the Bible!

see! theres that condescending attitude again, i seen it immediately, perhaps others haft to have it pointed out to them.


And once again, this thread is about the Apostle Paul, in fact the name of the thread is "For those who doubt the Apostle Paul".

Op you truly are being a coward by avoiding my questions and the questions of Jeff that I posted. In fact everytime you attempt to misdirect and run away from the questions with silly excuses like this you defeat your own thread.

but you just said your time is to important, so is mine.

THE QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER I OR JEFF WROTE IT, THE QUESTION IS THIS: IS WHAT IS WRITTEN TRUE?


isnt that plagerism? which is against the law?

Uh no moron, I gave him credit. I also posted that Jeff was a personal friend of mine. Jeff could care less whether I posted his questions or not. he wrote them (and I helped with several of them FYI) to wake up ignorant christians who are to lazy to read their Bibles.

and isnt that a troll like quality?

Rationlizing in your mind that I am a troll, does not magically make Paul a legit Apostle OP. Truth be known I think the real troll here is you. I am actually engaging in debate, while you engage in silly games. This very Post I am speaking about right at this moment is a perfect example.

Keep acting the fool though. I am sure there are plenty of christians and other people reading this and seeing how you act, and reading my questions about Paul, and then SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH!


silly troll, chistianity is for kids!

your barely back and already you want to butt horns with me again? and where will that get you?

You already made a total fool of yourself once by banning me. You already discredited your entire thread by banning me. Are you going to make the same mistake again? Do you think by banning me that somehow makes Paul legit?

I mean good grief OP, you make a thread about Paul being legit, then when I come along and disagree with you, you ban me, and then threaten to ban me again. But in the end that is all you christians can do right? Convert or Die, Shut up or be banned!

Why don't you gird up your loins and actually engage me in debate and stop threatening to ban me.


but i like torturing you silly troll. you came talking all high and mighty, i banned you and put you in your place. and like a whore unpacking your heart you try so hard to make me look bad..........

can you not conduct yourself in an orderly manner?

I tried. I even set down rules for the debate before you engaged me. You refused to go by them. You refused to address my points. You instead stuck your head in the sand and acted like a ostrich and then when you couldn't take the heat you banned me like a coward.

So let me ask you the same question. Why can you not conduct YOURSELF in a orderly manner? Why must you constantly commit intellectual suicide? If you are such a great christian scholar then this should be easy!


EXACTLY! this isnt your thread!

why not start your own thread? oh, wait, nevermind......

I simply started a new thread to answer the questions about Paul performing miracles as you failed to inform people that you had banned me UNTIL OTHERS BROUGHT IT UP TO THE PUBLIC on the thread.

I called you a coward in the thread for banning me, and it seems having a Title with your name on it is a "call out thread" and against the rules. I did not realize this and did apologize to the moderators for my ignorance.

Course I guess you are right OP, I guess I could start a new thread. About real issues ..................Course, I doubt I will ever find one christian who will actually belly up to the counter and answer all my questions.

You see deep down you already know I am 100% correct, and it terrifies you to face your fears. To ask those questions.

Because you have been brainwashed your entire life that anyone who thinks different then your particular religious guru is going be tortured for trillions upon trillions of years (and that is just the start)

You know what is ironic OP, I am one of the few people on this planet who have ever dared to tell you the truth. O well, no one can say I did not try.


and this is what i just read, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah and blah.
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Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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Sword0fGideon  (OP)

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07/01/2011 12:19 AM
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Re: For those who doubt the apostle paul
sure are quiet tonight........
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Did you forget that your question regarding Ezekiel was answered?

Did you really want to know?

Or were you just trying to 'bump' your thread?



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i lost interest in it.
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon



Yeah- hard to top a Pink Pig cake:)





:D
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spiderman scaling the table top ohyeah
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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Sword0fGideon  (OP)

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And by the way OP, I see you deleted my very first post from this thread.

Funny enough, you forgot to delete all the people who quoted it on page one.

You love deleting all my post and then attacking me and accusing me of only copy and pasting what Jeff wrote!

O you wicked christians and the games you play!
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as i stated before, you misquoted the movie line.

so i through it out.
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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Sword0fGideon  (OP)

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07/01/2011 12:21 AM
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And another thing OP this is what I said

"Op I challenge you to actually Ban anyone on this thread who steps in with this foolishness and disrupts our debate."

By using this to attack me and somehow justify your banning by using this against me, you also show that you entered into debate with me.

If you entered into debate with me, then you agreed to my rules.

I have shown several times that Paul is a liar, that Paul misquoted the Tanakh, the Paul misquoted Moses, that Paul attacked the authority of the 12 and that Paul contradicted the teachings of Jesus.

My rule was that if I could show any of these EVEN ONE TIME, that you would at once declare Paul to be a false prophet.

You have failed to honor your end of our agreement OP.

Are you going to finally admit Paul is a false prophet?
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i aint your bitch little man. hit the bricks.
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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Re: For those who doubt the apostle paul
"You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you." Deuteronomy 4:2

"Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it." Deuteronomy 12:32


The verses above have been referred to as the Prophet test . Paul failed it by abrogating the Law , therefore he should be rejected for what he is .
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Paul never failed that test. You only interpret him as failing because you listen to other peoples words instead of judging Paul by his own words (and the Torah) in context to whom he was addressing.

If you want to know what Paul believed instead of taught, read Acts 24-26

P.S. A messianic site called "Jesus's words only" sounds a bit fishy to me.
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jesus who is returned considered Paul his greatest enemy. and the Torah is none too hot either, full of error.
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"You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you." Deuteronomy 4:2

"Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it." Deuteronomy 12:32


The verses above have been referred to as the Prophet test . Paul failed it by abrogating the Law , therefore he should be rejected for what he is .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1448326


Paul never failed that test. You only interpret him as failing because you listen to other peoples words instead of judging Paul by his own words (and the Torah) in context to whom he was addressing.

If you want to know what Paul believed instead of taught, read Acts 24-26

P.S. A messianic site called "Jesus's words only" sounds a bit fishy to me.
 Quoting: ZTE


jesus who is returned considered Paul his greatest enemy. and the Torah is none too hot either, full of error.
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thats what all the athiest are saying..........
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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"You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you." Deuteronomy 4:2

"Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it." Deuteronomy 12:32


The verses above have been referred to as the Prophet test . Paul failed it by abrogating the Law , therefore he should be rejected for what he is .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1448326


Paul never failed that test. You only interpret him as failing because you listen to other peoples words instead of judging Paul by his own words (and the Torah) in context to whom he was addressing.

If you want to know what Paul believed instead of taught, read Acts 24-26

P.S. A messianic site called "Jesus's words only" sounds a bit fishy to me.
 Quoting: ZTE


jesus who is returned considered Paul his greatest enemy. and the Torah is none too hot either, full of error.
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thats what all the athiest are saying..........
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon


jesus HIMSELF SAID THAT ABOUT PAUL. He butchered the teachings terribly in his confusion. But so did some of the real apostles too. Read the Tora, its full of crap. You see the peoples of those times were so terribly confused about God, it's one of the reasons that area was chosen. The greeks were doing a lot better, but the Hebrews, forget it. This planet remains terribly confused about what God is and how things are done.

I am NOT an atheist by the way, far from it.
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Paul never failed that test. You only interpret him as failing because you listen to other peoples words instead of judging Paul by his own words (and the Torah) in context to whom he was addressing.

If you want to know what Paul believed instead of taught, read Acts 24-26

P.S. A messianic site called "Jesus's words only" sounds a bit fishy to me.
 Quoting: ZTE


jesus who is returned considered Paul his greatest enemy. and the Torah is none too hot either, full of error.
 Quoting: Nobody in Particular


thats what all the athiest are saying..........
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon


jesus HIMSELF SAID THAT ABOUT PAUL. He butchered the teachings terribly in his confusion. But so did some of the real apostles too. Read the Tora, its full of crap. You see the peoples of those times were so terribly confused about God, it's one of the reasons that area was chosen. The greeks were doing a lot better, but the Hebrews, forget it. This planet remains terribly confused about what God is and how things are done.

I am NOT an atheist by the way, far from it.
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yet your in agreement with them...........
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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And another thing OP this is what I said

"Op I challenge you to actually Ban anyone on this thread who steps in with this foolishness and disrupts our debate."

By using this to attack me and somehow justify your banning by using this against me, you also show that you entered into debate with me.

If you entered into debate with me, then you agreed to my rules.

I have shown several times that Paul is a liar, that Paul misquoted the Tanakh, the Paul misquoted Moses, that Paul attacked the authority of the 12 and that Paul contradicted the teachings of Jesus.

My rule was that if I could show any of these EVEN ONE TIME, that you would at once declare Paul to be a false prophet.

You have failed to honor your end of our agreement OP.

Are you going to finally admit Paul is a false prophet?
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i aint your bitch little man. hit the bricks.
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Are we resorting to this now OP?

Do you think in your mind that maybe if I am a "little man" that it somehow makes Paul legit?
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I'm leaving for my MIL's house later today. I won't be back until the middle of next week, barring the unforseen.

Try not to miss my sweet personality too much while I'm gone, umkay?

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Don't worry, I'll take pictures of Miss Piggly!
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