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For those who doubt the apostle paul

 
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I believe the reliability of the Bible can be trusted. It is inerrant in that it's not false, it is infallible in that it cannot deceive us. It communicates religious truth, not religious error. The men who wrote it were fallible, but were kept from error by the Holy Spirit.

If you don't believe in the Bible being truth, then why do you continue to use it as reference and accept the replies by the other posters who are doing the same? Seems like it's all a waste of time.
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You are wrong. You believe wrong, and you are wrong. The bible contains a huge number of grossly abhorrent lies about God and about humanity.

As far as a waste of time, you may think that human hearts, human well-being, and human souls are a waste of time; but don't put that onto me.

Humans are precious, despite what the bible says.

And we all have the right to feel loved by God, not judged, denounced, unworthy, and otherwise belittled and decried. Every human being should know that God is LOVE, and not something to cower in fear from.

There was no need for a sacrifice, because THERE'S NO MONSTER GOD TO BE SAVED FROM.

Every human being should know this. Every human being should be freed from the "beauty" of the [false and unnecessary] sacrifice story.

Jesus died to save us from what? From a MONSTER GOD hell-bent upon BURNING AND TORTURING US ALL FOR ETERNITY.

Um. No. Sorry.

Anyone who can believe that about God, has refused any and all knowledge of God. Pure and simple.

To believe that LOVE can under any circumstances BURN AND TORTURE, much less FOR ETERNITY is to admit that YOU DO NOT KNOW LOVE.

And if you do not know love, YOU DO NOT KNOW GOD.

Every human being should KNOW GOD. And while I can do nothing at all for those who accept the belief in the vicious monster from whom we must be saved, I CAN and I WILL protect those seekers who might be reading to the best of my ability.

Because humans are precious. God is precious.

The bible is slander and libel of the worst kind. It claims that LOVE is murder, violence, genocide, torture, and worse.

Disgusting and vile lies, from whom any seeker considering the christian religion should be liberated if at all possible. For once in the grip of this cult, it's often far too little, far too late, no matter what you say.

Once someone invites the jesus demon in, escaping is extremely difficult and often laced with abject terror. I know-- I escaped, but only barely. I'm not alone, others have also... and nearly all of us experienced the same terror.

Which is one of the biggest signs of all that the bible is propaganda and lies. GOD DOES NOT TERRORIZE!
 Quoting: Sandi_T

Jesus died to save us from what?

You know the Bible better than any of us, so you know the answer to that and how I will reply.

You are a sinner, like all of us. You need the cleansing of Jesus' blood. But you won't see it this way.
It is written:
On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." Mark 2:17
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or was it rebuke? thinking it was......
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No, I was thanking you for the compliment.
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or was it rebuke? thinking it was......
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon


No, I was thanking you for the compliment.
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that was referring to the reprove or rebuking a wise man part,

i think its rebuke a wise man.......

i'd look it up but im still tired right now.
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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There is a lot to read--I skimmed through it and got the basic gist of it. Do you want to hear my story? I have a painful one, too. It would make the best sellers list. However, it is not who I am today and I only mention things from my past if it will help someone. Before I even knew God, He was holding me in His Hands. I have every right to be angry and hateful, especially to those who hurt me. But God saved me by giving me a new heart that has His Holy Spirit in it. I still battle with the "old" me every day, I still have moments when I cry over those hurts because the environment we were brought up in has a big effect on our psyche and it's hard to get rid of those "ill" memories.

I am a born again believer, have been since my early '20s. Don't belong to any denomination. Time and time again, God has proven Himself to me, not that He has to--but His Love propels Him to. I am not trying to convey here that I dislike Sandi, I don't even know her. I am just defending my God and His Word. I feel Sandi has had much severe pain and horror in her life which might have "calloused" her heart some and maybe she is just trying to protect herself from ever getting hurt again. Because much of what happened to her is tied in with "Church", she already has an agenda against Christians/Christianity. She really does need to know Jesus, though, and what He is all about--not what she sees in people and what she has heard from others. I'm sure she will reply...or not.
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You missed the whole point, which is unfortunate, but not surprising.

I don't believe you skimmed it at all. You skimmed the first couple of chapters, slightly, and then thought you "got it" so you didn't bother to read the rest. And because of that, you missed the whole point not only of why I wrote it, but also of why it answers questions about my rejection of the bible.

You think you get it, but you don't. You think you understand because you skimmed a chapter or two. But you don't.

Jesus died to save us from what?

You know the Bible better than any of us, so you know the answer to that and how I will reply.

You are a sinner, like all of us. You need the cleansing of Jesus' blood. But you won't see it this way.
It is written:
On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." Mark 2:17
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That's not the answer. That's WHO jesus supposedly came to save, not from WHAT did he come to supposedly save those sinners.

And no, I don't see it as needing blood, because I actually know God and I actually know Love. I know that NEITHER ONE is appeased by death and suffering!

Your monstrous demonic beast that you grovel before LOVES BLOOD AND DEATH and CANNOT BE APPEASED IN ANY OTHER WAY.

This by itself PROVES the beast of the bible IS NOT THE REAL GOD, because THE REAL GOD is LOVE.

That you believe that love is murder, blood and gore, violence, hatred, retribution, and loathing, shows that you never overcame your past AT ALL. You are still seeking out and getting into relationships with abusers--and this time with not just a human abuser, but A VIOLENTLY ABUSIVE REPLACEMENT FOR GOD!

You think that gross negligence and abuse is LOVE.

You really believe that LOVE requires murder, blood, death, and cannibalistic rituals before it can or will be bestowed.

I DO know the bible better than most christians. I know it inside out and forward and backward and upside down. No, really, I can read upside down. Backward is a lot harder, actually.

Joking aside, the fact that I know it is a good part of why I do NOT and will NEVER AGAIN believe it.

Reincarnation IS A FACT, and I assure you of this: I will never again believe christianity in any lifetime. I have completed my experiences with it, and for that I am grateful, because I am more than ready to accept the pure gift of God's LOVE.

LOVE is the gift, NOT DEATH.

You worship death. Christianity is a death cult. Why isn't the symbol every christian carries around the symbol of Jesus ascending? Why is it the torture device instead? Because the "great gift" in christianity IS DEATH. The great "sacrifice" is the holy symbol, NOT LIFE. NOT LOVE. NOT RISING FROM DEATH.

Jesus didn't suffer hardly at all compared to countless billions of people on this planet who have lived ENTIRE LIFETIMES of suffering AT LEAST as intense as Jesus' supposed last few hours. Then he just got up three days later and went flying off to heaven, all done on Earth after 33 disgustingly easy years.

Oh, boo hoo. My heart bleeds for the guy. No, really. I mean, seriously. The whole "sacrifice" is dying a relatively fast death compared to anyone else who ever sat a cross, and then jumping right back up 3 days later and going straight to heaven without even having to spend another day on Earth. What a pity. No, seriously.

Oh, wait, supposedly he went to hell during those three days (which weren't three days at all, and when he actually died is argued in the three gospels--your lame-ass God can't even remember on what day his son DIED)...

Just like all the other "savior" gods ascend into the underworld for three days to fight the bad dude. ALL THE OTHER SUN GODS DO THE SAME THING.

When the priests made English (didn't know that, did you?), it's no coincidence that SON sounds like SUN. The joke is on you.

You're neck deep in a death cult that worships death and celebrates death and carries death around.

Go grovel in front of a torture device and eat some jesus flesh and drink some jesus blood. Got to COMMUNE with the DEMON THAT POSSESSES YOU WHEN YOU GET 'SAVED', you know!

If the "holy" spirit were really so very HOLY, then there wouldn't be thousands upon thousands of different denominations. There'd be ONE, because "getting saved" would make you possessed by this "holy" spirit which would explain everything and make sure you didn't interpret anything wrong.

But of all the people who fight with christians, IT IS CHRISTIANS WHO DO IT THE MOST.

I can't hold a CANDLE to the way christians fight over the verses of the bible.

And why? BECAUSE THE SHIT IS CONTRADICTORY AND CONFUSING. Anyone with a lick of sense would recognize that GOD DOES NOT GET CONFUSED.

If god really were protecting the bible and making sure its writers were infallible, THE ACCOUNTS OF JESUS' DEATH WOULD NOT CONTRADICT. But they do! Very much so!

THE MOST IMPORTANT STORY, THE MOST IMPORTANT DEATH EVER... and they can't keep the fucking thing straight!

I mean, COME ON!

Nothing else in the Universe matters so much as Jesus' death, BUT THE STORIES ARE DIFFERENT. God can't remember? God couldn't keep it straight? God was purposefully making it contradictory to try to trick people out of getting saved?

Ugh. I am seriously tired of the delusions that people cling to with this shit.

What was Jesus' last words? The gospels differ on that.

Who first saw Jesus when he rose? The gospels differ.

How many men at his tomb? The gospels differ.

Were they men, or angels? Did the women tell the men, or didn't they? What day did Jesus die on?

You think the bible is infallible because YOU DON'T KNOW THE FUCKING BIBLE! The bible CANNOT POSSIBLY be infallible BECAUSE IT CONTRADICTS ITSELF EVEN IN THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT EVENT IT SUPPOSEDLY CONTAINS!

And I bet you don't even know that. I bet you don't even KNOW all the various contradictions in the gospels. THE GOSPELS, for fuck's sake.

Honestly, if you can't speak to these without even having to look them up, you do not belong anywhere near a conversation with me, because that means you don't even know the FUNDAMENTAL problems with the bible.

Answer those questions without looking them up, with answers from each gospel. Then we'll talk. Until then, you do NOT know the bible.

Which I doubt you do, or you wouldn't pull shit like "it's infallible" and "god protected it from any contradictions" or whatever shit out of your ass. That's parroting. That's toeing the party line.

You believe what you're told, which is that the bible is infallible. You don't question it, and you don't KNOW THE BIBLE.

I run into "you" all the time. You think you're ready to jump into the pool with the big dogs because you're vehement and zealous. Zealotry doesn't mean you know the bible. If you can't answer to BASIC issues like the contradictions in the death of jesus, and the issue of racial slavery being openly condoned in the bible without having to go look it all up, YOU SHOULD NOT GET IN THE POOL WITH THE PEOPLE WHO DO KNOW.

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 Quoting: Sword0fGideon


No, I was thanking you for the compliment.
 Quoting: Sandi_T


that was referring to the reprove or rebuking a wise man part,

i think its rebuke a wise man.......

i'd look it up but im still tired right now.
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon


Oh, I see, I misunderstood.

I was sitting there thinking, "And here I thought I'd gotten better at taking compliments". chuckle
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i ramble in my head and then throw it out on the screen sometimes.

good morning!
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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Good morning. I'm about to go work on the magic cake again, lol. I made the 'bear' cake yesterday, so I'm going to see what I can do to make bear look like pig today... hmmmm.

Got to do a lot of chopping, and I didn't use a firm enough cake, piggy is saggy.

Poor piggy. crying
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There is a lot to read--I skimmed through it and got the basic gist of it. Do you want to hear my story? I have a painful one, too. It would make the best sellers list. However, it is not who I am today and I only mention things from my past if it will help someone. Before I even knew God, He was holding me in His Hands. I have every right to be angry and hateful, especially to those who hurt me. But God saved me by giving me a new heart that has His Holy Spirit in it. I still battle with the "old" me every day, I still have moments when I cry over those hurts because the environment we were brought up in has a big effect on our psyche and it's hard to get rid of those "ill" memories.

I am a born again believer, have been since my early '20s. Don't belong to any denomination. Time and time again, God has proven Himself to me, not that He has to--but His Love propels Him to. I am not trying to convey here that I dislike Sandi, I don't even know her. I am just defending my God and His Word. I feel Sandi has had much severe pain and horror in her life which might have "calloused" her heart some and maybe she is just trying to protect herself from ever getting hurt again. Because much of what happened to her is tied in with "Church", she already has an agenda against Christians/Christianity. She really does need to know Jesus, though, and what He is all about--not what she sees in people and what she has heard from others. I'm sure she will reply...or not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1373078


You missed the whole point, which is unfortunate, but not surprising.

I don't believe you skimmed it at all. You skimmed the first couple of chapters, slightly, and then thought you "got it" so you didn't bother to read the rest. And because of that, you missed the whole point not only of why I wrote it, but also of why it answers questions about my rejection of the bible.

You think you get it, but you don't. You think you understand because you skimmed a chapter or two. But you don't.

Jesus died to save us from what?

You know the Bible better than any of us, so you know the answer to that and how I will reply.

You are a sinner, like all of us. You need the cleansing of Jesus' blood. But you won't see it this way.
It is written:
On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." Mark 2:17
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1373078


That's not the answer. That's WHO jesus supposedly came to save, not from WHAT did he come to supposedly save those sinners.

And no, I don't see it as needing blood, because I actually know God and I actually know Love. I know that NEITHER ONE is appeased by death and suffering!

Your monstrous demonic beast that you grovel before LOVES BLOOD AND DEATH and CANNOT BE APPEASED IN ANY OTHER WAY.

This by itself PROVES the beast of the bible IS NOT THE REAL GOD, because THE REAL GOD is LOVE.

That you believe that love is murder, blood and gore, violence, hatred, retribution, and loathing, shows that you never overcame your past AT ALL. You are still seeking out and getting into relationships with abusers--and this time with not just a human abuser, but A VIOLENTLY ABUSIVE REPLACEMENT FOR GOD!

You think that gross negligence and abuse is LOVE.

You really believe that LOVE requires murder, blood, death, and cannibalistic rituals before it can or will be bestowed.

I DO know the bible better than most christians. I know it inside out and forward and backward and upside down. No, really, I can read upside down. Backward is a lot harder, actually.

Joking aside, the fact that I know it is a good part of why I do NOT and will NEVER AGAIN believe it.

Reincarnation IS A FACT, and I assure you of this: I will never again believe christianity in any lifetime. I have completed my experiences with it, and for that I am grateful, because I am more than ready to accept the pure gift of God's LOVE.

LOVE is the gift, NOT DEATH.

You worship death. Christianity is a death cult. Why isn't the symbol every christian carries around the symbol of Jesus ascending? Why is it the torture device instead? Because the "great gift" in christianity IS DEATH. The great "sacrifice" is the holy symbol, NOT LIFE. NOT LOVE. NOT RISING FROM DEATH.

Jesus didn't suffer hardly at all compared to countless billions of people on this planet who have lived ENTIRE LIFETIMES of suffering AT LEAST as intense as Jesus' supposed last few hours. Then he just got up three days later and went flying off to heaven, all done on Earth after 33 disgustingly easy years.

Oh, boo hoo. My heart bleeds for the guy. No, really. I mean, seriously. The whole "sacrifice" is dying a relatively fast death compared to anyone else who ever sat a cross, and then jumping right back up 3 days later and going straight to heaven without even having to spend another day on Earth. What a pity. No, seriously.

Oh, wait, supposedly he went to hell during those three days (which weren't three days at all, and when he actually died is argued in the three gospels--your lame-ass God can't even remember on what day his son DIED)...

Just like all the other "savior" gods ascend into the underworld for three days to fight the bad dude. ALL THE OTHER SUN GODS DO THE SAME THING.

When the priests made English (didn't know that, did you?), it's no coincidence that SON sounds like SUN. The joke is on you.

You're neck deep in a death cult that worships death and celebrates death and carries death around.

Go grovel in front of a torture device and eat some jesus flesh and drink some jesus blood. Got to COMMUNE with the DEMON THAT POSSESSES YOU WHEN YOU GET 'SAVED', you know!

If the "holy" spirit were really so very HOLY, then there wouldn't be thousands upon thousands of different denominations. There'd be ONE, because "getting saved" would make you possessed by this "holy" spirit which would explain everything and make sure you didn't interpret anything wrong.

But of all the people who fight with christians, IT IS CHRISTIANS WHO DO IT THE MOST.

I can't hold a CANDLE to the way christians fight over the verses of the bible.

And why? BECAUSE THE SHIT IS CONTRADICTORY AND CONFUSING. Anyone with a lick of sense would recognize that GOD DOES NOT GET CONFUSED.

If god really were protecting the bible and making sure its writers were infallible, THE ACCOUNTS OF JESUS' DEATH WOULD NOT CONTRADICT. But they do! Very much so!

THE MOST IMPORTANT STORY, THE MOST IMPORTANT DEATH EVER... and they can't keep the fucking thing straight!

I mean, COME ON!

Nothing else in the Universe matters so much as Jesus' death, BUT THE STORIES ARE DIFFERENT. God can't remember? God couldn't keep it straight? God was purposefully making it contradictory to try to trick people out of getting saved?

Ugh. I am seriously tired of the delusions that people cling to with this shit.

What was Jesus' last words? The gospels differ on that.

Who first saw Jesus when he rose? The gospels differ.

How many men at his tomb? The gospels differ.

Were they men, or angels? Did the women tell the men, or didn't they? What day did Jesus die on?

You think the bible is infallible because YOU DON'T KNOW THE FUCKING BIBLE! The bible CANNOT POSSIBLY be infallible BECAUSE IT CONTRADICTS ITSELF EVEN IN THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT EVENT IT SUPPOSEDLY CONTAINS!

And I bet you don't even know that. I bet you don't even KNOW all the various contradictions in the gospels. THE GOSPELS, for fuck's sake.

Honestly, if you can't speak to these without even having to look them up, you do not belong anywhere near a conversation with me, because that means you don't even know the FUNDAMENTAL problems with the bible.

Answer those questions without looking them up, with answers from each gospel. Then we'll talk. Until then, you do NOT know the bible.

Which I doubt you do, or you wouldn't pull shit like "it's infallible" and "god protected it from any contradictions" or whatever shit out of your ass. That's parroting. That's toeing the party line.

You believe what you're told, which is that the bible is infallible. You don't question it, and you don't KNOW THE BIBLE.

I run into "you" all the time. You think you're ready to jump into the pool with the big dogs because you're vehement and zealous. Zealotry doesn't mean you know the bible. If you can't answer to BASIC issues like the contradictions in the death of jesus, and the issue of racial slavery being openly condoned in the bible without having to go look it all up, YOU SHOULD NOT GET IN THE POOL WITH THE PEOPLE WHO DO KNOW.
 Quoting: Sandi_T


The truth hurts, doesn't it. You spewed out so much hatred in your last post to me. If that is the kind of "love" your God teaches, that's scary! Hate drives you and hate exposes you. And you don't know the bible better than "most" Christians which is evident in your lack of exegisis in word meanings--look up what the word "hate" means when used in the recent scripture you were trying to destroy.

You know how to twist, distort, and shred the Bible better than most non-Christians I have seen on this site as is evident in your outrageous posts of slander & intimidation. Your generalizations of me are all lies, you don't even know me. Stop condemning those who believe in the one True God--why do you hate Jesus?
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nice pegasus thanks :)
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Congrats!

Most of us only got a pony.



:D
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The truth hurts, doesn't it. You spewed out so much hatred in your last post to me. If that is the kind of "love" your God teaches, that's scary! Hate drives you and hate exposes you. And you don't know the bible better than "most" Christians which is evident in your lack of exegisis in word meanings--look up what the word "hate" means when used in the recent scripture you were trying to destroy.

You know how to twist, distort, and shred the Bible better than most non-Christians I have seen on this site as is evident in your outrageous posts of slander & intimidation. Your generalizations of me are all lies, you don't even know me. Stop condemning those who believe in the one True God--why do you hate Jesus?
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Yes, the truth does hurt, apparently. Don't like being called on your lack of knowledge of the book you are pretending to defend? Too bad.

You cannot speak to those, so you try to claim that someone pointing out your lack of knowledge is "hate".

Hilariously, I was pointing out HIS misuse of that verse, not using it myself.

You don't know the One True God at all. You are the one who is "spewing hate". If this is the kind of love YOU teach, then no thanks.

See the difference between us is that I don't think I'm god. I don't have to act like god. I don't worship myself. I recognize the difference between myself and god, you do not.

Condemn you? I don't condemn you. In point of fact, I don't CONDEMN anyone. Everyone goes back to God when they die. NO exceptions.

If you really knew GOD, you would know that. If you really knew GOD, you would NEVER accept the LIES of the bible. You would NEVER believe in some monster from whom we have to be saved by death. You would NEVER believe that God kills. You cannot KNOW THE ONE TRUE, REAL GOD, and continue to believe those things.

It would be like knowing my husband and still believing he's a 6,000 pound black woman who eats babies for breakfast every day after torturing some women and raping some dogs.

There's no way that you know God and still believe the bible. You catch enough glimpses to keep you tied to it, but you refuse to look away long enough to become immersed in the TRUTH.

The TRUTH is that the demonic, horrific thing outlined for you to worship in the bible IS A MONSTER.

God is not a monster.

And there's no way that I will be silenced when people accuse God of being a monster, any more than I would sit passively by while someone genuinely convinced someone else that my husband is one, or that my child is one.

MY love of GOD is even greater than the love I hold for my family. I would not sit around while my family is slandered, I will not sit by while GOD IS SLANDERED in UNIMAGINABLY HORRIFIC ways, either.

I don't care that it hurts your little peelin's, either.

And whining and crying that I'm not God myself is just plain stupid. GOD is loving, I never said I am the personification of pure love, I said GOD IS.

You think yourself God, but stop thinking I am God. That's just more slander of God.

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nice pegasus thanks :)
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Congrats!

Most of us only got a pony.



:D
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Bah, you got cake, too!
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nice pegasus thanks :)
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon




Congrats!

Most of us only got a pony.



:D
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Bah, you got cake, too!
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yeah cry baby!
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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The truth hurts, doesn't it. You spewed out so much hatred in your last post to me. If that is the kind of "love" your God teaches, that's scary! Hate drives you and hate exposes you. And you don't know the bible better than "most" Christians which is evident in your lack of exegisis in word meanings--look up what the word "hate" means when used in the recent scripture you were trying to destroy.

You know how to twist, distort, and shred the Bible better than most non-Christians I have seen on this site as is evident in your outrageous posts of slander & intimidation. Your generalizations of me are all lies, you don't even know me. Stop condemning those who believe in the one True God--why do you hate Jesus?
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Yes, the truth does hurt, apparently. Don't like being called on your lack of knowledge of the book you are pretending to defend? Too bad.

You cannot speak to those, so you try to claim that someone pointing out your lack of knowledge is "hate".

Hilariously, I was pointing out HIS misuse of that verse, not using it myself.

You don't know the One True God at all. You are the one who is "spewing hate". If this is the kind of love YOU teach, then no thanks.

See the difference between us is that I don't think I'm god. I don't have to act like god. I don't worship myself. I recognize the difference between myself and god, you do not.

Condemn you? I don't condemn you. In point of fact, I don't CONDEMN anyone. Everyone goes back to God when they die. NO exceptions.

If you really knew GOD, you would know that. If you really knew GOD, you would NEVER accept the LIES of the bible. You would NEVER believe in some monster from whom we have to be saved by death. You would NEVER believe that God kills. You cannot KNOW THE ONE TRUE, REAL GOD, and continue to believe those things.

It would be like knowing my husband and still believing he's a 6,000 pound black woman who eats babies for breakfast every day after torturing some women and raping some dogs.

There's no way that you know God and still believe the bible. You catch enough glimpses to keep you tied to it, but you refuse to look away long enough to become immersed in the TRUTH.

The TRUTH is that the demonic, horrific thing outlined for you to worship in the bible IS A MONSTER.

God is not a monster.

And there's no way that I will be silenced when people accuse God of being a monster, any more than I would sit passively by while someone genuinely convinced someone else that my husband is one, or that my child is one.

MY love of GOD is even greater than the love I hold for my family. I would not sit around while my family is slandered, I will not sit by while GOD IS SLANDERED in UNIMAGINABLY HORRIFIC ways, either.

I don't care that it hurts your little peelin's, either.

And whining and crying that I'm not God myself is just plain stupid. GOD is loving, I never said I am the personification of pure love, I said GOD IS.

You think yourself God, but stop thinking I am God. That's just more slander of God.

thwak
 Quoting: Sandi_T


You arrogantly elevate yourself as being so "knowledgeable" and yet you shine as the hypocrite you call everyone else. You admittedly reject the Bible and declare it as invalid, yet you use scripture to "prove" your point, which is confusing, then you are saying you believe it to be true.

The following is your post to the OP:

"Are you sure he doesn't say the law doesn't apply to us because we are christians?
In his first Epistle to Timothy (Ch. 1), the Paul writes this:
9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
Then, he goes on in a later chapter to say that just having the holy spirit makes you not sin anymore. I guess most christians missed that memo..."

You write this:
"Your monstrous demonic beast that you grovel before LOVES BLOOD AND DEATH and CANNOT BE APPEASED IN ANY OTHER WAY."

And then you write this:

And there's no way that I will be silenced when people accuse God of being a monster, any more than I would sit passively by while someone genuinely convinced someone else that my husband is one, or that my child is one.

So, the very thing you blame us for doing, you do yourself.
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You arrogantly elevate yourself as being so "knowledgeable" and yet you shine as the hypocrite you call everyone else. You admittedly reject the Bible and declare it as invalid, yet you use scripture to "prove" your point, which is confusing, then you are saying you believe it to be true.

The following is your post to the OP:

"Are you sure he doesn't say the law doesn't apply to us because we are christians?
In his first Epistle to Timothy (Ch. 1), the Paul writes this:
9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
Then, he goes on in a later chapter to say that just having the holy spirit makes you not sin anymore. I guess most christians missed that memo..."

You write this:
"Your monstrous demonic beast that you grovel before LOVES BLOOD AND DEATH and CANNOT BE APPEASED IN ANY OTHER WAY."

And then you write this:

And there's no way that I will be silenced when people accuse God of being a monster, any more than I would sit passively by while someone genuinely convinced someone else that my husband is one, or that my child is one.

So, the very thing you blame us for doing, you do yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1373078


WTF are you talking about?

I think it's pretty clear that I'm not a christian and the "us" is sarcastic, jackass. Is it that hard to figure out that I wasn't being serious in calling myself a christian? I mean, can ANYONE be that stupid?!

I use the bible when speaking with christians because it's their reference point. Using the bible to disprove the bible helps expose to seekers and readers the FACT that IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

How else would I point out that the bible doesn't make sense if I didn't quote where it doesn't make sense?

There's no hypocrisy there at all. One would almost think you don't even know WHAT hypocrisy IS.
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nice pegasus thanks :)
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Congrats!

Most of us only got a pony.



:D
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Bah, you got cake, too!
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yeah cry baby!
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon




Good morning!

Last night was fun, we should do it again sometime.

At least you stopped whining about Catholics for a little while:)




!!
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Congrats!

Most of us only got a pony.



:D
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


Bah, you got cake, too!
 Quoting: Sandi_T


yeah cry baby!
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon




Good morning!

Last night was fun, we should do it again sometime.

At least you stopped whining about Catholics for a little while:)




!!
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


still no one listens........

its not neccessarily a "catholic" thing.

the "Whore" has "Many Daughters"

there was the early church, snuffed out and sent running for the horizon......

in their place a "church" sprang up, and off that "church" sprang up more churches they called protestant, lutheran, presbyterian, (put version here) and they all stemmed from the same source.

the true church has fled, they are the true believers with the correct foundation.

no where in scripture does it say go to church to get saved, there is scripture suggesting to work out your own salvation with great fear and trembling, and studying to show yourself approved.

your relationship is not through a church, it is through the Holy SPirit guiding you into all truths..........

it isnt in a sabbath, for they are a mere shadow of things to come.

we are told not to worry,

to give no thought as to food, drink, clothes, shelter, etc.

these are things not to worry about on a sabbath, the Lord declared he would provide.

the true question is simple, is the Lord the foundation of your faith? or is it "peter", who never was pope, or one of those who was pope?

and if your one of the branches that came off that bush, you still bow to her authority.
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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good grief, its like i must be speaking in parables or something.

no one seems to be able to grasp it.
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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Bah, you got cake, too!
 Quoting: Sandi_T


yeah cry baby!
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon




Good morning!

Last night was fun, we should do it again sometime.

At least you stopped whining about Catholics for a little while:)




!!
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


still no one listens........

its not neccessarily a "catholic" thing.

the "Whore" has "Many Daughters"

there was the early church, snuffed out and sent running for the horizon......

in their place a "church" sprang up, and off that "church" sprang up more churches they called protestant, lutheran, presbyterian, (put version here) and they all stemmed from the same source.

the true church has fled, they are the true believers with the correct foundation.

no where in scripture does it say go to church to get saved, there is scripture suggesting to work out your own salvation with great fear and trembling, and studying to show yourself approved.

your relationship is not through a church, it is through the Holy SPirit guiding you into all truths..........

it isnt in a sabbath, for they are a mere shadow of things to come.

we are told not to worry,

to give no thought as to food, drink, clothes, shelter, etc.

these are things not to worry about on a sabbath, the Lord declared he would provide.

the true question is simple, is the Lord the foundation of your faith? or is it "peter", who never was pope, or one of those who was pope?

and if your one of the branches that came off that bush, you still bow to her authority.
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon




Now whose panties are in a knot?

Did you see the 'good morning' part?





:)
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yeah cry baby!
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon




Good morning!

Last night was fun, we should do it again sometime.

At least you stopped whining about Catholics for a little while:)




!!
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


still no one listens........

its not neccessarily a "catholic" thing.

the "Whore" has "Many Daughters"

there was the early church, snuffed out and sent running for the horizon......

in their place a "church" sprang up, and off that "church" sprang up more churches they called protestant, lutheran, presbyterian, (put version here) and they all stemmed from the same source.

the true church has fled, they are the true believers with the correct foundation.

no where in scripture does it say go to church to get saved, there is scripture suggesting to work out your own salvation with great fear and trembling, and studying to show yourself approved.

your relationship is not through a church, it is through the Holy SPirit guiding you into all truths..........

it isnt in a sabbath, for they are a mere shadow of things to come.

we are told not to worry,

to give no thought as to food, drink, clothes, shelter, etc.

these are things not to worry about on a sabbath, the Lord declared he would provide.

the true question is simple, is the Lord the foundation of your faith? or is it "peter", who never was pope, or one of those who was pope?

and if your one of the branches that came off that bush, you still bow to her authority.
 Quoting: Sword0fGideon




Now whose panties are in a knot?

Did you see the 'good morning' part?





:)
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


i dont wear panties, i wear underwear......

thats why i laughed when you fell for it. :)
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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great obummer is going to talk.......

again.
Christians have had to face and realize their own sins, and feel compelled to try and help others as well.

This chant of Holier than thou is wrong and is taught by others making you think what is cool or acceptable to them.

The thought of "believe as i do" is strongly in an unbelievers life, because they feel they will be ridiculed by their friends.

Every falsehood a unbeliver weilds, is merely a reflection of the obstacles that unbeliever must face from his very own peers.

Unbelievers are the true followers, they are dedicated to fear of what other people think of them.

And because of this, they are ashamed of themselves, but wall themselves up to feel comfortable and safe, assuring themselves with rationality and laughter.

Which is insanity!
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You arrogantly elevate yourself as being so "knowledgeable" and yet you shine as the hypocrite you call everyone else. You admittedly reject the Bible and declare it as invalid, yet you use scripture to "prove" your point, which is confusing, then you are saying you believe it to be true.

The following is your post to the OP:

"Are you sure he doesn't say the law doesn't apply to us because we are christians?
In his first Epistle to Timothy (Ch. 1), the Paul writes this:
9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
Then, he goes on in a later chapter to say that just having the holy spirit makes you not sin anymore. I guess most christians missed that memo..."

You write this:
"Your monstrous demonic beast that you grovel before LOVES BLOOD AND DEATH and CANNOT BE APPEASED IN ANY OTHER WAY."

And then you write this:

And there's no way that I will be silenced when people accuse God of being a monster, any more than I would sit passively by while someone genuinely convinced someone else that my husband is one, or that my child is one.

So, the very thing you blame us for doing, you do yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1373078


WTF are you talking about?

I think it's pretty clear that I'm not a christian and the "us" is sarcastic, jackass. Is it that hard to figure out that I wasn't being serious in calling myself a christian? I mean, can ANYONE be that stupid?!

I use the bible when speaking with christians because it's their reference point. Using the bible to disprove the bible helps expose to seekers and readers the FACT that IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

How else would I point out that the bible doesn't make sense if I didn't quote where it doesn't make sense?

There's no hypocrisy there at all. One would almost think you don't even know WHAT hypocrisy IS.
 Quoting: Sandi_T


Wow, Sandi!
You have some deep issues. You have been hurt more deeply than I thought. Your posts still reveal rage and hate. We are all sinners, it is our sin that has caused all the things wrong in this world. We are all capable of doing the horrific things that were done to you, whether or not you believe it. It is very clear to me that your outlash is a result of all your pain and suffering. Did you cry out to God for protection from all your abuse as you were going through it, only to find out that He was not there for you? Is that why you have set yourself up against Him?

Yes, there is rape, incest and murder in this world--all the consequences of sin--but none of those come close to the sin of keeping Jesus Christ out of your life. There is a Hell and God doesn't put us there, we put ourselves there.

You can keep talking about your God of love, but in the end you will see that it is a lie. If you jump off a tall building, you will get hurt. You might say "god is love" all the way down, but you will still splatter at the bottom. If your child puts his finger to a flame, he will get burnt. Gravity kills, fire burns, people hurt people and you can say "God is love, God is love, God is love", until your blue in the face--gravity will still kill, fire will still burn, people will continue to hurt people and sin will still damn you no matter how much you say "God is love".

The One True God, our Creator, has set up life this way... In the beginning He gave Adam and Eve one command, just one and they couldn't keep it. It was our fault, not God's. He is not just Love, but He is Righteous and Just. His very character does not want to inflict a penalty, but His very character must.

I am not going to continue with "preaching". You apparently have something going on here on this thread with the OP and others and I don't want to intrude anymore in your discussion. It is juvenile to me and a waste of my time. Because you admit to not believing in the Bible and not being a Christian, then it is senseless, unfortunately, you will not come to see the Truth, and I will not bend to your lies.

The best I can do is pray for you. Forgive me for causing any ill feelings as it was truly not my intent. It's just that I do not remain silent when the God of the Bible and Jesus are being so viciously attacked.
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Sandi...
(just some quick statements on my background/perspective)

I am not a "christian". Yahuwah, The Eloah, the one true creator, who is Love, that you speak of and know, can be found in the scriptures. He came to this world in the flesh, in a diminished form of Himself, as the Messiah Yahusha and walked this earth for a short time.

Ok... the following is my rebuttal to you on many of your recent comments in this thread.

Man, mankind, men and woman, created with free will, is the monster that you see in the scriptures. They have, do and will do the most vile things that can be done. Not all men are evil but all are capable. I believe that you are unfairly judging the one true Eloah, who is Love and who is pointed to in the scriptures, through a false representation of Him, done by man, do justify their vileness.

I'll give an analogy to make my point clearer...

Let's say you make the most awesome cake that could ever be made... no other cake could ever be more beautiful, tasty and delightful. To eat a piece of it brings unfathomable love, joy and life to any who would partake of it.

Now I come along... I don't like you or your cake and I don't want anyone else to like you or your cake. I want people to eat my shitty cake and like it but they have heard about how awesome your cake is. What to do... ok, I'll use your ingredients and try and make it near as beautiful but it is a counterfeit because I have to throw the crap in there that I want people to eat.

Now I give this cake to the world and lie and say it is your awesome cake. Everything that you put in your cake is in this cake. A lot of people like my cake and eat it. Many more people just don't like cake period and don't eat it or yours for that matter... this is good, I just do not like you and really all I want is no one else to like you and eat your cake. Many other people eat it and although they like cake, they think your cake sucks and tastes like shit because they can taste all the crap I threw in there. This is good... now they don't like you or your cake.

________________________________________________________

btw... I like you and I think your cakes are pretty cool. i hope your flying pig turns out well and that you have a wonderful day.

Shalom!
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Wow, Sandi!
You have some deep issues.
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Yes, asshole. Anyone who dares to disagree with YOU, has "some deep issues"! How clear it all becomes!

rolleyes

You have been hurt more deeply than I thought.
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Just how stupid are you? Seriously?

You don't need to "think" how hurt I have been. WTF, I swear to god, some of you people with your bullshit are just totally unbelievable.

"Wow, I skimmed a half a chapter of your story and now I'm all shocked and surprised that you've been hurt!"

Your posts still reveal rage and hate.
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Actually, what my posts really reveal is that I don't care about you as an individual, because you decided to come into the conversation acting like a self-righteous fucking cow. Therefor, I cannot be bothered to go out of my way to pretend that I do care about you as an individual.

As a human being, you are precious. As a person, you suck and you are irritating and rude.

We are all sinners, it is our sin that has caused all the things wrong in this world. We are all capable of doing the horrific things that were done to you, whether or not you believe it.
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No, WE are not all capable of that. Speak for yourself. Because YOU are capable of it doesn't mean everyone is.

It's not "sin" that has caused anything. The world is the way it was created to be, and it all has a purpose. All of it.

You are blind to that purpose because you hate yourself and only christianity gives you an excuse to continue to hate yourself, and thus everyone else.

Human beings are perfect for their purpose, even the ones you hate and whom you would do those things to. Even the ones you long to see in the "hell" of your violent monstrous psychopathic demon.

It is very clear to me that your outlash is a result of all your pain and suffering. Did you cry out to God for protection from all your abuse as you were going through it, only to find out that He was not there for you? Is that why you have set yourself up against Him?
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Nothing at all is clear to you. And you didn't read at all.

God WAS there for me, and THAT is why I reject the bible. Because the bible LIES and says that God will do one thing, when in reality God does another, far more important thing.

You do not have the understanding required to appreciate it. Nor would I bother to try to explain it to you.

Now, you can take your pretense of understanding me, and your pretense of caring about me, and shove it up your ass. You and your fake, imaginary "Oh noes, you are so hurt because you don't agree with me!" bullshit is so tired. Why the fuck do you think you're the first one to try that shit when you lose the debate?

I dislike you because you're a cookie cutter person. You do the same fucking thing that the other cookie cutter persons do. You jump into the debate intentionally snarking at me and then you turn around and pretend to be oh-so-sad for me because I am "obviously so hateful and hurt" because I tell you to take your bullshit and shove it.

Fucking seriously, cookie cutter bitch, get off of my back. You are fake, and you are a liar, as evidenced later in this very post with your whole "that wasn't my intent" bullshit.

Yes, there is rape, incest and murder in this world--all the consequences of sin--but none of those come close to the sin of keeping Jesus Christ out of your life. There is a Hell and God doesn't put us there, we put ourselves there.
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Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

There is evil in the world because IT IS DESIGNED THAT WAY for a purpose.

There isn't a hell at all.

And if there WERE one, then "god" certainly puts people there. God created humanity, and they are imperfect because WE ARE CREATED TO BE IMPERFECT.

Your incompetent, stupid, lazy god who fucked up creation DOES NOT EXIST.

Your incompetent, stupid, vicious, monstrously evil and abusive god DOES NOT EXIST.

GOD IS LOVE.

This is beyond your ability to understand, I recognize that. And without your self loathing, you would have nothing left. I understand that, too.

But that's YOUR FUCKING PROBLEM, NOT MINE. And you are not my job.

You can keep talking about your God of love, but in the end you will see that it is a lie. If you jump off a tall building, you will get hurt. You might say "god is love" all the way down, but you will still splatter at the bottom. If your child puts his finger to a flame, he will get burnt. Gravity kills, fire burns, people hurt people and you can say "God is love, God is love, God is love", until your blue in the face--gravity will still kill, fire will still burn, people will continue to hurt people and sin will still damn you no matter how much you say "God is love".
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You're an idiot. God being love has nothing to do with the natural laws of this planet, you retard. Seriously, you don't have even the tiniest concept of love. Not remotely.

Nor even the tiniest particle of understanding of why this place exists.

Those aren't acts of God, that's your first fucking mistake. Thinking that everything that happens is an act of God. Oh, you jumped off of a building, so GOD KILLED YOU with gravity.

Whatever, you dumb shit.

You irritate me. I don't hate you, because I don't care about you enough to hate you. Get that through your head. You're nothing but another in a LONGASS line of christians who want to randomly personally attack me and who is all offended and whiny when I don't just lay down and take it.

The One True God, our Creator, has set up life this way... In the beginning He gave Adam and Eve one command, just one and they couldn't keep it. It was our fault, not God's. He is not just Love, but He is Righteous and Just. His very character does not want to inflict a penalty, but His very character must.
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I ain't Eve, bitch. You ain't Eve.

Get it?

It may be a little complex for you, but try to follow along, okay? There's nothing JUST nor RIGHTEOUS in punishing everyone forever because of someone else's actions.

By your fucking "logic" I should kill every child in the world if my daughter disobeys me once.

GTFO of here with your shit.

I am not going to continue with "preaching". You apparently have something going on here on this thread with the OP and others and I don't want to intrude anymore in your discussion. It is juvenile to me and a waste of my time. Because you admit to not believing in the Bible and not being a Christian, then it is senseless, unfortunately, you will not come to see the Truth, and I will not bend to your lies.
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Yes you do. That was your whole point. To intrude with your own personal opinion about me.

You are tiresome because you are nothing new. NOTHING NEW. In any way. No personality of your own. Cookie cutter person. The same typical MO. Come into the thread, attack me, and then carry on about how "hateful" and "hurt" I am when I don't put up with your shit. Then put on the "Good Christian sweetheart" uniform and pretend to be oh-so-concerned.

Then claim you're leaving.

Then do it all again.

The best I can do is pray for you. Forgive me for causing any ill feelings as it was truly not my intent. It's just that I do not remain silent when the God of the Bible and Jesus are being so viciously attacked.
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I'll have some Satanists pray for you. It's the least I can do, to ask that you be forced against your will to worship a thing you revile, since that's what you want to do to me.

Forgive you for causing any ill feelings? Nothing to forgive, because while you're irritating, that's ALL you are.

Because I can't be bothered to play nice with you doesn't mean I hate you. It just means that you, as a person, are an irritating shit because you're the same old thing as all the others.

Get some individuality and personality. Stop being a cookie cutter person.

And as far as your intent, please, bitch. Fuck off with the lies. You DID intend to get a response out of me, and you hoped it would be something big enough for you to pompously look down on me over. You were hoping for some "hate" so you could preach on at me and show off how sweet and loving and pretty you are.

Hope you had a good time, I know I did. I do so hate to disappoint. I know how you cookie cutter people need your fix of people to look down upon.
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Why do people who profess faith in Christ going through the scriptures as if it is a loose leaf notebook. If this is the case, why believe any of it? If the majority of the NT is wrong, then how can we trust ANY of it?

Even if Paul was a false prophet . . .the words he wrote are as valid today as when he wrote them. How can you toss out the book of Romans? Corinthians? Ephesians?

I challenge those who believe that Paul is a false prophet, to spend the next year doing IN DEPTH research. Otherwise you are just like the atheists who negate the truth scripture but have never taken the time to read/study it.
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Sandi...
(just some quick statements on my background/perspective)

I am not a "christian". Yahuwah, The Eloah, the one true creator, who is Love, that you speak of and know, can be found in the scriptures. He came to this world in the flesh, in a diminished form of Himself, as the Messiah Yahusha and walked this earth for a short time.

Ok... the following is my rebuttal to you on many of your recent comments in this thread.

Man, mankind, men and woman, created with free will, is the monster that you see in the scriptures. They have, do and will do the most vile things that can be done. Not all men are evil but all are capable. I believe that you are unfairly judging the one true Eloah, who is Love and who is pointed to in the scriptures, through a false representation of Him, done by man, do justify their vileness.

I'll give an analogy to make my point clearer...

Let's say you make the most awesome cake that could ever be made... no other cake could ever be more beautiful, tasty and delightful. To eat a piece of it brings unfathomable love, joy and life to any who would partake of it.

Now I come along... I don't like you or your cake and I don't want anyone else to like you or your cake. I want people to eat my shitty cake and like it but they have heard about how awesome your cake is. What to do... ok, I'll use your ingredients and try and make it near as beautiful but it is a counterfeit because I have to throw the crap in there that I want people to eat.

Now I give this cake to the world and lie and say it is your awesome cake. Everything that you put in your cake is in this cake. A lot of people like my cake and eat it. Many more people just don't like cake period and don't eat it or yours for that matter... this is good, I just do not like you and really all I want is no one else to like you and eat your cake. Many other people eat it and although they like cake, they think your cake sucks and tastes like shit because they can taste all the crap I threw in there. This is good... now they don't like you or your cake.

________________________________________________________

btw... I like you and I think your cakes are pretty cool. i hope your flying pig turns out well and that you have a wonderful day.

Shalom!
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I suspect that we're closer to understanding each other than most are.

However, the problem is that there was never a "sacrifice" because the world is the way it is for a reason. A beautiful purpose.

You are right, though, in that the bible contains just enough truth to make people think it is a "cake" but someone used sawdust instead of flour...

God is everywhere, and that's why the followers of every religion "experience" the Presence of God and then think that theirs is the only place God is.

They don't understand that they experience God because they looked for God, and think that instead they experience God because of WHERE they looked for God.

Quite possibly the most important distinction there is.
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Which sin is the worst?

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28Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

29But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness







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Wow, Sandi!
You have some deep issues.
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Yes, asshole. Anyone who dares to disagree with YOU, has "some deep issues"! How clear it all becomes!

rolleyes

You have been hurt more deeply than I thought.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1373078


Just how stupid are you? Seriously?

You don't need to "think" how hurt I have been. WTF, I swear to god, some of you people with your bullshit are just totally unbelievable.

"Wow, I skimmed a half a chapter of your story and now I'm all shocked and surprised that you've been hurt!"

Your posts still reveal rage and hate.
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Actually, what my posts really reveal is that I don't care about you as an individual, because you decided to come into the conversation acting like a self-righteous fucking cow. Therefor, I cannot be bothered to go out of my way to pretend that I do care about you as an individual.

As a human being, you are precious. As a person, you suck and you are irritating and rude.

We are all sinners, it is our sin that has caused all the things wrong in this world. We are all capable of doing the horrific things that were done to you, whether or not you believe it.
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No, WE are not all capable of that. Speak for yourself. Because YOU are capable of it doesn't mean everyone is.

It's not "sin" that has caused anything. The world is the way it was created to be, and it all has a purpose. All of it.

You are blind to that purpose because you hate yourself and only christianity gives you an excuse to continue to hate yourself, and thus everyone else.

Human beings are perfect for their purpose, even the ones you hate and whom you would do those things to. Even the ones you long to see in the "hell" of your violent monstrous psychopathic demon.

It is very clear to me that your outlash is a result of all your pain and suffering. Did you cry out to God for protection from all your abuse as you were going through it, only to find out that He was not there for you? Is that why you have set yourself up against Him?
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Nothing at all is clear to you. And you didn't read at all.

God WAS there for me, and THAT is why I reject the bible. Because the bible LIES and says that God will do one thing, when in reality God does another, far more important thing.

You do not have the understanding required to appreciate it. Nor would I bother to try to explain it to you.

Now, you can take your pretense of understanding me, and your pretense of caring about me, and shove it up your ass. You and your fake, imaginary "Oh noes, you are so hurt because you don't agree with me!" bullshit is so tired. Why the fuck do you think you're the first one to try that shit when you lose the debate?

I dislike you because you're a cookie cutter person. You do the same fucking thing that the other cookie cutter persons do. You jump into the debate intentionally snarking at me and then you turn around and pretend to be oh-so-sad for me because I am "obviously so hateful and hurt" because I tell you to take your bullshit and shove it.

Fucking seriously, cookie cutter bitch, get off of my back. You are fake, and you are a liar, as evidenced later in this very post with your whole "that wasn't my intent" bullshit.

Yes, there is rape, incest and murder in this world--all the consequences of sin--but none of those come close to the sin of keeping Jesus Christ out of your life. There is a Hell and God doesn't put us there, we put ourselves there.
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Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

There is evil in the world because IT IS DESIGNED THAT WAY for a purpose.

There isn't a hell at all.

And if there WERE one, then "god" certainly puts people there. God created humanity, and they are imperfect because WE ARE CREATED TO BE IMPERFECT.

Your incompetent, stupid, lazy god who fucked up creation DOES NOT EXIST.

Your incompetent, stupid, vicious, monstrously evil and abusive god DOES NOT EXIST.

GOD IS LOVE.

This is beyond your ability to understand, I recognize that. And without your self loathing, you would have nothing left. I understand that, too.

But that's YOUR FUCKING PROBLEM, NOT MINE. And you are not my job.

You can keep talking about your God of love, but in the end you will see that it is a lie. If you jump off a tall building, you will get hurt. You might say "god is love" all the way down, but you will still splatter at the bottom. If your child puts his finger to a flame, he will get burnt. Gravity kills, fire burns, people hurt people and you can say "God is love, God is love, God is love", until your blue in the face--gravity will still kill, fire will still burn, people will continue to hurt people and sin will still damn you no matter how much you say "God is love".
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You're an idiot. God being love has nothing to do with the natural laws of this planet, you retard. Seriously, you don't have even the tiniest concept of love. Not remotely.

Nor even the tiniest particle of understanding of why this place exists.

Those aren't acts of God, that's your first fucking mistake. Thinking that everything that happens is an act of God. Oh, you jumped off of a building, so GOD KILLED YOU with gravity.

Whatever, you dumb shit.

You irritate me. I don't hate you, because I don't care about you enough to hate you. Get that through your head. You're nothing but another in a LONGASS line of christians who want to randomly personally attack me and who is all offended and whiny when I don't just lay down and take it.

The One True God, our Creator, has set up life this way... In the beginning He gave Adam and Eve one command, just one and they couldn't keep it. It was our fault, not God's. He is not just Love, but He is Righteous and Just. His very character does not want to inflict a penalty, but His very character must.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1373078


I ain't Eve, bitch. You ain't Eve.

Get it?

It may be a little complex for you, but try to follow along, okay? There's nothing JUST nor RIGHTEOUS in punishing everyone forever because of someone else's actions.

By your fucking "logic" I should kill every child in the world if my daughter disobeys me once.

GTFO of here with your shit.

I am not going to continue with "preaching". You apparently have something going on here on this thread with the OP and others and I don't want to intrude anymore in your discussion. It is juvenile to me and a waste of my time. Because you admit to not believing in the Bible and not being a Christian, then it is senseless, unfortunately, you will not come to see the Truth, and I will not bend to your lies.
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Yes you do. That was your whole point. To intrude with your own personal opinion about me.

You are tiresome because you are nothing new. NOTHING NEW. In any way. No personality of your own. Cookie cutter person. The same typical MO. Come into the thread, attack me, and then carry on about how "hateful" and "hurt" I am when I don't put up with your shit. Then put on the "Good Christian sweetheart" uniform and pretend to be oh-so-concerned.

Then claim you're leaving.

Then do it all again.

The best I can do is pray for you. Forgive me for causing any ill feelings as it was truly not my intent. It's just that I do not remain silent when the God of the Bible and Jesus are being so viciously attacked.
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I'll have some Satanists pray for you. It's the least I can do, to ask that you be forced against your will to worship a thing you revile, since that's what you want to do to me.

Forgive you for causing any ill feelings? Nothing to forgive, because while you're irritating, that's ALL you are.

Because I can't be bothered to play nice with you doesn't mean I hate you. It just means that you, as a person, are an irritating shit because you're the same old thing as all the others.

Get some individuality and personality. Stop being a cookie cutter person.

And as far as your intent, please, bitch. Fuck off with the lies. You DID intend to get a response out of me, and you hoped it would be something big enough for you to pompously look down on me over. You were hoping for some "hate" so you could preach on at me and show off how sweet and loving and pretty you are.

Hope you had a good time, I know I did. I do so hate to disappoint. I know how you cookie cutter people need your fix of people to look down upon.
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You don't anger me or intimidate me the least bit--it upsets me that you are spreading lies about the Bible.

As I've said, I understand why you are the way you are.

The only righteousness I claim is that of Jesus.
I am nothing, He is all. I am unworthy, but not worthless.
Yes, I can admit that I am a sinner and my fleshly heart is filled with evil that God hates--"Out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander" Matt. 15:19

In fact, I can identify with the Paul of the Bible, that you so vehemently despise, especially when he said "O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?"

Our flesh doesn't improve over time, in fact, it gets worse as it receives more programming from the world. The truth regarding indwelling sin is rather strong medicine: it is not easy to take. The truth is not always pleasant to hear, but it will set you free. And not until you realize this truth about yourself, that you are a sinner in need of a Saviour, will you know what TRUTH is.

You continue to spew your hateful remarks and claim to know what is in my heart--does that make you God?

I mentioned I have been born again and that birth gave me a new heart, but it didn't get rid of the old. That "old man" is still with me until the day I die. As long as I live in this world, sin lives in me and is capable of coming to the surface, buts thats not who I am any longer. When I do blow it, I have the freedom to turn back to truth and walk in dependancy upon the Spirit of God who indwells me.

My true desire is that you will come to know His Son and truly understand what He is all about, but you have judged me otherwise.

"As a human being, you are precious" in the sight of God.

"As a person, you suck and you are irritating and rude" because you are trying to destroy God's Word.

"I dislike you because you're" attacking God's position, power, and atoning work.

You do the same thing that the other non-believers do, "you jump into a debate" and start spewing out all your hatred towards Christians and our beliefs and try to make yourself look good by promoting your made up "God of love".

You can say what you want of me, that's OK.--I know who I am and have a strong faith in Whom I believe.

It's funny, though, much of what you write about others is most true about yourself.
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Blah blah blah, still here, still reading, can't let it go, yada yada.

Whatever, honey.

You're a plastic person. Another in a long line of others, and none of you ever say anything new.

Have a nice day now, ya hear!
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You are destroying God's Truth in the Bible and you come across as being very angry and defensive.

Sorry, that's how I see it.
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There is none of God's Truth in the bible, sweet cheeks.

And I don't care how you see it. Thanks for sharing, though.

Have a pony.

:fresh2:
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All of God's Truth IS in the Bible.

"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
-John 17:17
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
-John 5:39

“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book”
—Revelation 22:18-19

His Word is absolutely sufficient in itself
-Psalm 119:160

“knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation. For prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost”
-2 Peter 1:20-21

God, although using human writers in the composition of the Bible, is nevertheless its ultimate Author. And since the perfect God cannot be the source of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33) or contradiction (Hebrews 6:18), it must be acknowledged that the Bible is perfectly harmonious. Yes, sometimes we struggle with difficult passages, but if we diligently study these discrepancies, we should be able to resolve them.

And I do care that you are spreading lies, please keep them to yourself, Honey Bun.

Have a donkey...

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And I do care that you are spreading lies, please keep them to yourself, Honey Bun.
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You are wrong. You are the one spreading lies. One day, you will realize it, and be ashamed. Don't be too hard on yourself. After all, the terrorism of the bible is the most extreme that can exist.

To terrorize the body is evil, but to terrorize the spirit is the epitome of it.

You are a terrorist. An attempted spiritual rapist.

"SUCK MY RELIGION OR BURN FOREVER!"

That isn't love, that's rape. But I understand that you can't tell the difference. Hopefully some day, you will understand that rape is evil on the very face of it.
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