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Anonymous Coward User ID: 994367 United States 05/24/2011 02:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The basic principle of what happens is it's moist warm air rising really fast in a spiral into cold dry air. Tornadoes don't blow, they suck air upwards and take all kinds of shit with it. Like entire towns at this point. Quoting: XinTexasSo let's say you were to have a very large tank of liquid nitrogen. Highly pressurized. Include some explosives and make that tank where it could be launched or remotely flown about 500 feet off the ground right in front of that thing and then detonate it. The air temperature at the bottom, where it's sucking all of that warmer air upwards, would drop to damn near nothing. I've installed what they call "cold blast systems" in nightclubs. Usually just a 5 second blast of CO2 over the dance floor and the temperature drops 20 degrees instantly. It literally makes snow out of the existing moisture in the air on contact and it snows over the dance floor. It's really nice effect if you have never seen one in action. That's what gave me this idea. Pressurized CO2 ain't nowhere near as cold as Nitrogen would be. So...BOOM! And you would be spitting a massive amount of ice cubes and cold air into it thus stopping the process. Even if these things cost a million bucks to produce, it would be nowhere near the cost of the damage we're seeing now. So tell me what's wrong with my logic here? That would have to work right? I think you are grossly underestimating the total energy in a tornado and the total amount of energy needed to counter it. |
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XinTexas
(OP) User ID: 1371607 United States 05/24/2011 02:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Last Edited by XinTexas on 05/24/2011 04:34 PM Don't bother calling me a Neocon. I'm a card-carrying Libertarian. ---------- A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes. - Mark Twain |
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XinTexas
(OP) User ID: 1371607 United States 05/24/2011 02:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think you are grossly underestimating the total energy in a tornado and the total amount of energy needed to counter it? I think you are grossly underestimating how easy it would be to make an area of sub-zero air a mile wide. Last Edited by XinTexas on 05/24/2011 02:45 PM Don't bother calling me a Neocon. I'm a card-carrying Libertarian. ---------- A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes. - Mark Twain |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1258936 United States 05/24/2011 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The basic principle of what happens is it's moist warm air rising really fast in a spiral into cold dry air. Tornadoes don't blow, they suck air upwards and take all kinds of shit with it. Like entire towns at this point. Quoting: XinTexasSo let's say you were to have a very large tank of liquid nitrogen. Highly pressurized. Include some explosives and make that tank where it could be launched or remotely flown about 500 feet off the ground right in front of that thing and then detonate it. The air temperature at the bottom, where it's sucking all of that warmer air upwards, would drop to damn near nothing. I've installed what they call "cold blast systems" in nightclubs. Usually just a 5 second blast of CO2 over the dance floor and the temperature drops 20 degrees instantly. It literally makes snow out of the existing moisture in the air on contact and it snows over the dance floor. It's really nice effect if you have never seen one in action. That's what gave me this idea. Pressurized CO2 ain't nowhere near as cold as Nitrogen would be. So...BOOM! And you would be spitting a massive amount of ice cubes and cold air into it thus stopping the process. Even if these things cost a million bucks to produce, it would be nowhere near the cost of the damage we're seeing now. So tell me what's wrong with my logic here? That would have to work right? Sounds cool to me! (The snow on the dance floor) I'll reserve the scientific comments to the more knowledgeable bunch. |
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t3h3nd15n34r
User ID: 1339442 United States 05/24/2011 03:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From wikipedia: [link to en.wikipedia.org] A typical thunderstorm has 10^15 juoles of energy. Google finds that a typical tornado has about 10,000 kW-hours, or about 36 billion joules. A kg of liquid nitrogen contains 97 watt-hours of energy (from [link to en.wikipedia.org] Counteracting equivalently the energy of the tornado means you would need roughly 103,000 kg of liquid nitrogen. That assumes 1) 100% efficiency, 2) the tornado will not get any more energy from the thunderstorm, 3) other various factors. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1343060 United States 05/24/2011 03:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The basic principle of what happens is it's moist warm air rising really fast in a spiral into cold dry air. Tornadoes don't blow, they suck air upwards and take all kinds of shit with it. Like entire towns at this point. Quoting: XinTexasSo let's say you were to have a very large tank of liquid nitrogen. Highly pressurized. Include some explosives and make that tank where it could be launched or remotely flown about 500 feet off the ground right in front of that thing and then detonate it. The air temperature at the bottom, where it's sucking all of that warmer air upwards, would drop to damn near nothing. I've installed what they call "cold blast systems" in nightclubs. Usually just a 5 second blast of CO2 over the dance floor and the temperature drops 20 degrees instantly. It literally makes snow out of the existing moisture in the air on contact and it snows over the dance floor. It's really nice effect if you have never seen one in action. That's what gave me this idea. Pressurized CO2 ain't nowhere near as cold as Nitrogen would be. So...BOOM! And you would be spitting a massive amount of ice cubes and cold air into it thus stopping the process. Even if these things cost a million bucks to produce, it would be nowhere near the cost of the damage we're seeing now. So tell me what's wrong with my logic here? That would have to work right? It may have an effect, but you would need an incredible amount of refrigerant to make it work, and still have it be mobile. Oh, and you dont have a theory, you have a hypothesis. Theory is the graduating point, the point at which a well tested and evidence hypothesis ascends to become the best explanation that fits the observation. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1066161 Canada 05/24/2011 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The basic principle of what happens is it's moist warm air rising really fast in a spiral into cold dry air. Tornadoes don't blow, they suck air upwards and take all kinds of shit with it. Like entire towns at this point. Quoting: XinTexasSo let's say you were to have a very large tank of liquid nitrogen. Highly pressurized. Include some explosives and make that tank where it could be launched or remotely flown about 500 feet off the ground right in front of that thing and then detonate it. The air temperature at the bottom, where it's sucking all of that warmer air upwards, would drop to damn near nothing. I've installed what they call "cold blast systems" in nightclubs. Usually just a 5 second blast of CO2 over the dance floor and the temperature drops 20 degrees instantly. It literally makes snow out of the existing moisture in the air on contact and it snows over the dance floor. It's really nice effect if you have never seen one in action. That's what gave me this idea. Pressurized CO2 ain't nowhere near as cold as Nitrogen would be. So...BOOM! And you would be spitting a massive amount of ice cubes and cold air into it thus stopping the process. Even if these things cost a million bucks to produce, it would be nowhere near the cost of the damage we're seeing now. So tell me what's wrong with my logic here? That would have to work right? Patent it and get funding! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1066161 Canada 05/24/2011 03:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The basic principle of what happens is it's moist warm air rising really fast in a spiral into cold dry air. Tornadoes don't blow, they suck air upwards and take all kinds of shit with it. Like entire towns at this point. Quoting: XinTexasSo let's say you were to have a very large tank of liquid nitrogen. Highly pressurized. Include some explosives and make that tank where it could be launched or remotely flown about 500 feet off the ground right in front of that thing and then detonate it. The air temperature at the bottom, where it's sucking all of that warmer air upwards, would drop to damn near nothing. I've installed what they call "cold blast systems" in nightclubs. Usually just a 5 second blast of CO2 over the dance floor and the temperature drops 20 degrees instantly. It literally makes snow out of the existing moisture in the air on contact and it snows over the dance floor. It's really nice effect if you have never seen one in action. That's what gave me this idea. Pressurized CO2 ain't nowhere near as cold as Nitrogen would be. So...BOOM! And you would be spitting a massive amount of ice cubes and cold air into it thus stopping the process. Even if these things cost a million bucks to produce, it would be nowhere near the cost of the damage we're seeing now. So tell me what's wrong with my logic here? That would have to work right? It may have an effect, but you would need an incredible amount of refrigerant to make it work, and still have it be mobile. Oh, and you dont have a theory, you have a hypothesis. Theory is the graduating point, the point at which a well tested and evidence hypothesis ascends to become the best explanation that fits the observation. Sounds like this could be deployed and rolled out the back of a c-130. One some big ass parachutes, does its business and lands safely. Could probably load a dozen of these things in the back and kill all the big twisters. |
Hero Protagonist
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1343060 United States 05/24/2011 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The basic principle of what happens is it's moist warm air rising really fast in a spiral into cold dry air. Tornadoes don't blow, they suck air upwards and take all kinds of shit with it. Like entire towns at this point. Quoting: XinTexasSo let's say you were to have a very large tank of liquid nitrogen. Highly pressurized. Include some explosives and make that tank where it could be launched or remotely flown about 500 feet off the ground right in front of that thing and then detonate it. The air temperature at the bottom, where it's sucking all of that warmer air upwards, would drop to damn near nothing. I've installed what they call "cold blast systems" in nightclubs. Usually just a 5 second blast of CO2 over the dance floor and the temperature drops 20 degrees instantly. It literally makes snow out of the existing moisture in the air on contact and it snows over the dance floor. It's really nice effect if you have never seen one in action. That's what gave me this idea. Pressurized CO2 ain't nowhere near as cold as Nitrogen would be. So...BOOM! And you would be spitting a massive amount of ice cubes and cold air into it thus stopping the process. Even if these things cost a million bucks to produce, it would be nowhere near the cost of the damage we're seeing now. So tell me what's wrong with my logic here? That would have to work right? It may have an effect, but you would need an incredible amount of refrigerant to make it work, and still have it be mobile. Oh, and you dont have a theory, you have a hypothesis. Theory is the graduating point, the point at which a well tested and evidence hypothesis ascends to become the best explanation that fits the observation. Sounds like this could be deployed and rolled out the back of a c-130. One some big ass parachutes, does its business and lands safely. Could probably load a dozen of these things in the back and kill all the big twisters. I was actually just thinking about that, but then it comes to efficiency. You are going to have boil-off before the LN hits the storm, which means you will have to drop more than needed. And without precisely calibrating it, you might have to drop a lot more. The reason i bring this up is pertains to the effect of dropping massive amounts of LN onto people and structures. I am pretty sure the effect of blast freezing people is going to be worse than the tornado. |
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Hero Protagonist
User ID: 1343462 United States 05/24/2011 03:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What if the tornado sucked up the bomb? I can hear the warning now, "Please take cover, this is a tornado warning, and it is has a bomb." Quoting: Hero ProtagonistSounds like the next hijack plot by al-qaida. Yeah, cause in case you haven't heard it was an inside job, done from the tomato plant conspiracy, in which TTPTB(The Tomato Plants That Be) engineered a program devised to make people take them "inside." And that is all my uncle will permit me to say on the matter. "Take a chance while you still got a choice" Bon Scott Once I was nothing, then I became everything |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1343060 United States 05/24/2011 03:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What if the tornado sucked up the bomb? I can hear the warning now, "Please take cover, this is a tornado warning, and it is has a bomb." Quoting: Hero ProtagonistSounds like the next hijack plot by al-qaida. Yeah, cause in case you haven't heard it was an inside job, done from the tomato plant conspiracy, in which TTPTB(The Tomato Plants That Be) engineered a program devised to make people take them "inside." And that is all my uncle will permit me to say on the matter. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1040464 United Kingdom 05/24/2011 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The basic principle of what happens is it's moist warm air rising really fast in a spiral into cold dry air. Tornadoes don't blow, they suck air upwards and take all kinds of shit with it. Like entire towns at this point. Quoting: XinTexasSo let's say you were to have a very large tank of liquid nitrogen. Highly pressurized. Include some explosives and make that tank where it could be launched or remotely flown about 500 feet off the ground right in front of that thing and then detonate it. The air temperature at the bottom, where it's sucking all of that warmer air upwards, would drop to damn near nothing. I've installed what they call "cold blast systems" in nightclubs. Usually just a 5 second blast of CO2 over the dance floor and the temperature drops 20 degrees instantly. It literally makes snow out of the existing moisture in the air on contact and it snows over the dance floor. It's really nice effect if you have never seen one in action. That's what gave me this idea. Pressurized CO2 ain't nowhere near as cold as Nitrogen would be. So...BOOM! And you would be spitting a massive amount of ice cubes and cold air into it thus stopping the process. Even if these things cost a million bucks to produce, it would be nowhere near the cost of the damage we're seeing now. So tell me what's wrong with my logic here? That would have to work right? The cost of predictability can be very high. Ask Gordon Brown about the UK economy ;) |
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Showme123
User ID: 990376 United States 05/24/2011 03:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was thinking "anti vortex" type technology would be really cool to develop. If you think about surfaces that resist a vortex suction, like a dimpled, uneven surface. I know that tornados do not like forests that have trees over 80 feet tall, they diffuse the cyclone action. Maybe a technician from DYSON vacuums could reverse engineer the "anti vortex" technology. Even a huge tank in the ground that sucks in the whole storm. Go DYSON! Last Edited by Showme123 on 05/24/2011 03:34 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1343060 United States 05/24/2011 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Haven't they tried something similar by dropping it into the center of hurricanes? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1329422Similar. They were trying to cause a second eyewall to form so that it would collapse the first one and weaken the storm. But then they found out that the eyewall replacement cycle was a natural process of hurricanes and stopped the experiments. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1343060 United States 05/24/2011 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was thinking "anti vortex" type technology would be really cool to develop. If you think about surfaces that resist a vortex suction, like a dimpled, uneven surface. I know that tornados do not like forests that have trees over 80 feet tall, they diffuse the cyclone action. Maybe a technician from DYSON vacumms could reverse engineer the "anti vortex" technology. Quoting: Showme123Honestly, i think it has more to do with the trees not allowing a stable vortex to form by interrupting airflow patterns or something. I read something about it about a year or so ago, but cant remember what. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1343060 United States 05/24/2011 03:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think we take it from the top down. Shoot a air to air missile into the thunderhead and disrupt the system. It would have to be a strong missile or several missles detonated at once.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1329125There are always nukes. But then there might be radioactive tornadoes flinging fallout over large areas, and that would be incredibly bad. |