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Welcome to the first introduction thread on "Advanced Dreaming Techniques" for the modern day dreamer. In this thread, we will examine the art of dreaming. The requirements for this workshop is a willingness to focus on dreaming, and to start journaling your dreams.

For those interested, please post your dreams into this thread and any questions you may have with regards to dreaming.

First, dreaming is a natural on-going process during sleep. Regardless of your willingness and desire to dream at night, or even if you are unable to remember dreaming; the fact is you are going to dream regardless. Studies into sleep suggest that people dream as many as 6 dreams in a night. There are 5 recognized stages of sleep and research suggest we dream in all 5 stages (REM and NREM).

To learn the art of dreaming is interesting as it's largely an art of remembering as dreams are a constant part of sleep. My theory as to why we don't remember stems from certain memory centers in the brain: the frontal temporal lobe and the hippocampus slowing down and shutting off memory that induces a type amnesia called, "Sleep Induced Amnesia".

This suggests that although you cannot remember these dreams, you are actively unconsciously participating in them and unable to remember on waking up. When you do remember, you break out of the amnesia and trigger a collection of memories.

One of the first steps to dreaming is learning to remember your dreams when you wake up. To over come sleep induced amnesia if you are the type of person who never remembers dreams upon waking.

To become a better dreamer means you must start to focus on dreaming as a nightly ritual and commit an effort to start to focus on not only the act of dreaming, but the intent and desire to remember them.

This is a very simple technique for dream recall.

When you are about to fall asleep, think to yourself that you are about to fall asleep, and that you will become aware and remember you are dreaming.

Just focus on that intent as you are falling asleep. Repeat it if you like and observe the process of sleep as you slip into this alternative focus state.

If at anytime you wake up, think about dreams and try to recall any hint of a dream that might linger. This can help create a trigger that unlocks the amnesia.

Then write it down either on your computer or in a journal. Post in this thread if you want to share.

Repeat this process at first if you are the type of person who is struggling with dream memory. This is an exercise that will help increase dream recall.

If you are already good at remembering your dreams, then you can progress towards further dream related skills such as lucid dreaming, the ultimate goal of dreaming.

Lucid Dreaming is where you can be awake and fully aware that you are dreaming. It's not science-fiction rather science fact. Evidence of this started to appear in the 1970's with dream researchers like Keith Hearne and Stephen LeBerge.

If you haven't already had a Lucid Dream or know what it is, this is a type of dream where you simply know you are dreaming. More importantly, this type of dream allows for linear and logical thought. Your intelligence as you know it to be will be active in the dream allowing you to think, make conscious choices and interact and even control the dream.

Stephen LeBerge is one of the world leading experts in Lucid Dreaming from a scientific perspective and the Lucidity Institute has done extensive research into how this is achieved.

An important discovery is a technique that I will now introduce as it clinically has been proven to increase lucid dreaming potential by as much as 10 times.

This technique is very simply but does require a person to interrupt their normal sleeping routine into two sections.

1.) A pre-sleep of 4-5 hours where you don't apply lucid dreaming interests and techniques.

2.) Wake up and physically get out of bed. An important step to prevent yourself from just falling back into the previous sleep pattern. Stay awake for 30-60 minutes until you feel the need to sleep again.

This is also a good time to go to the bathroom. It is also recommended not to drink anymore then 1/2 cup of liquids, non-caffeinated obviously.

3. ) When you return to sleep, this is where you apply your intent to lucid dream. This is simply an attention focusing technique to allow yourself to remain mentally awake as the body falls back into sleep.

Here is a link to the study on this method: [link to www.lucidity.com]

From my own personal experiences; this method has worked many times and is one of my preferred approaches to lucid dreaming. The success is in the research, and I also stand by it with no association to LaBerge or his research other then my own personal interests.

Now we have the basic sleep pattern down that is not only optimal for lucid dreaming, but even regular dreaming increases with this second sleep. You must be able to have a second sleep in order for this to work and I do know some people once they wake up cannot fall back asleep, if that is the case, then you need to apply all the dream techniques as you fall asleep; and you can also have a lucid dream regardless. It may be a little more challenging but again, practice will yield success.

To actively dream, it helps to focus your intent to dream during the initial stages of falling asleep. You do program your mind to become more aware of it. This is a cognitive training exercise and requires actual effort and practice.

For lucid dreaming, as you lie in bed, repeat a simple set of instructions.

"I know that I am lying in bed and about to sleep. I am allowing myself to be awake and aware in my dreams, as I am right now. I will allow myself to be fully consciously awake in the dream, in the same way that I am right now."

Repeat this as you drift into sleep and allow the natural changes that occur towards sleep. The changes in perception will occur. You will start to see, hear and feel the dream as it starts to phase in with your focus.

Ignore the body, let it fall asleep but allow the natural sleep to occur.

We will get into more techniques at this stage but for now, start with becoming aware of how you actually fall asleep and what natural processes take place to facilitate dreaming.

The transition from wakeful living, to wakeful dreaming can be a fun and thrilling ride into a new type of reality experience.


Feel free to favorite this thread and I will join you on this journey into advanced dreaming with more techniques, advice and also share your own personal techniques and advice to further expand the tool-set for forum members to become masters of their dreams.

Post your dreams and experiences if you wish to share them for further discussion or just to share them as you progress with this workshop.

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Were they made of chocolate?
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Were they made of chocolate?
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Yes... they were made of chocolate. Milk chocolate, with some hazelnut chocolate filling. Tasty.
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On a side note, this is a very old course I wrote on dreaming back in 1998; and some of the information will be useful in lucid dreaming.

[link to ianwilson.ogx.be]

The ability to dream is native to our consciousness; however it's not always native to the waking side of our consciousness. If anything, dreams reveal altered states of consciousness that demonstrate how consciousness can be compartmentalized within the scope of our memories, perceptions and experiences.

Although this is an older course, it certainly has some valid techniques and is usefully for anyone wanting to jump past the speed of this thread.

That said, the next area that I want to talk about is related to the process of falling asleep and entering into a dreamstate.

What is very interesting with the process of entering a dream is a phenomena that I call, "The Inversion of the Senses". This is a self-evident process where by our mind replicates our sensory model of perception into a virtualization so that we can perceive dreams in a similar way to how we experience waking reality.

For example, our inner-monologue that we have when reading text or thinking produces a faint audible sound that mimics our voice. Except there really is no sound stimulating our hearing; rather a type of thought that is in the form of sound.

The same holds true if we use our imagination to conjure faint images in our mind such as an apple, a bird or a person. This further supports that our ability to think extends into sensory mimes.

When you fall asleep, this inner-sensory thought process extrapolates into a dream. For this to happen, our mind literally inverts the outward senses inwards to perceive the emerging dream.

This can be metaphorically similar to changing TV channels except this TV is a virtual reality system in the form of dreams. And you become an avatar in a mind-generated reality of your own creation.

How does this translate when falling asleep?

Often the visual shift comes first (this at least is the way it is for me) which comes with a variety of faint images. It can be colorful fractal patterns, images of people, places or settings. As the inversion process happens these visual thoughts emerge more vibrant and real.

The same happens with sound. At first, faint inner monologue is present then faint "dream chatter" emerges like voices, popping sounds, music and any sound one can imagine. This too becomes vivid as if we are now listening to head phones and very clear audible sounds.

Both this vivid transitions into dreaming is natural and it might be a bit scary at first because it does emerge vividly, however this is natural and to be expected if you are going to be a lucid dreamer. It's not dangerous, or a sign of anything other then the naturally emerging dream aside from the fact you are now consciously participating in the dream data as your senses invert.


Allow these changes to happen and even use them to your advantage. Start imagining a construct, a launch pad for dreaming. What is really great is the movie the Matrix describes a construct (a pre-matrix loading program).



Dreams actually produce a lucid construct that the Matrix alludes to. Except instead of being inside a computer program, you will be in a dreamworld that you consciousness is producing.

A vivid, real and amazing virtual reality that is a natural part of what you are as a sentient, intelligent conscious being.

Learn to explore the inversion of the senses as you fall asleep. Get use to this transition and learn to not be afraid or push it away when it emerges.

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Dreams occur on a "Thought-Reactive Interface"

We've discussed starting techniques for memory and dream recall. Introduction techniques for lucid dreaming and a proven sleeping pattern that yields more dreams and lucid dreams validated in sleep laboratories, followed by the introduction of hypnagogic transitions and the inversion of the senses during the process of falling asleep.

The next area of interest relative to the actual dream itself is how thoughts are now responsible for rendering the dream landscape in a manner that virtualizes our physical senses into this virtual dream avatar body that now explores the dream itself.

What is important to understand is thought is the driving force behind everything that dreams are. Our brain has evolved a fascinating natural virtual reality generator that can produce vividly real dream experiences.

Unlike waking reality when the data comes from objective information through the five physical senses, the dream reality produces it's own data that describes the dream reality facilitating similar processes of perception that we use in our waking life.

How the dream organizes thoughts into virtual constructs is a phenomena of conscious and sub-conscious thought. Dreams covey our thoughts in a virtual reality mode.

When you are in a dream, it is important to become aware of the role that thought plays on this inner-canvas of the mind where dreams, and our waking perceptions render out into an experience.

This is a thought-reactive feedback interface that renders out thoughts in the form of dream archtypes and experiences. They are your thoughts even if at first they appear sub-conscious. Exploring this through lucid dreaming will reveal that your thoughts are rendering out in the form of a dream.

What you think, believe and desire can convey itself in meaningful and coherent thoughts that construct the very fabric of dream reality.

Dreams are organized thoughts.

They are your thoughts.

This is simply self-evident fact.
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Were they made of chocolate?
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Yes... they were made of chocolate. Milk chocolate, with some hazelnut chocolate filling. Tasty.
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Perhaps we are kindred spirits?
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ok. I have apnea so i always wake up and go back to sleep, and often have no problem remembering them if I try to track it into my mind before it slips away to be forgotten.

Before I do this, I just want to post a couple things from recent dreams.

One, a couple weeks ago trailed off, and as I was waking up, I could hear a voice say this word clearly, and I then heard it repeated again, and I snatched it and remembered it. I got up went ot my computer and spelled it out phonetically. I was really annoyed because the word sounded like nonsense or foreign. So I got a definition that it was a specific word from a foreign language. Of course I don't know any foreign language, but everywhere I go in public there always the chance it was somone saying it to somebody else in the background, and it got caught up in the audio track of my memory.

The other was a more recent dream where I was in a car in a parkinglot, and these dudes we're milling about and going past my line of sight. They we're wearing these full masks like the bank robbers wore as the x-presidents in Point Break, except these masks were not of any recognizable person, and they were of really gnarly, wrinkled old men.
Eventually I was out of the car and through circumstance one of the masked characters pulls out a box cutter. So, after a struggle, I got it from the figure, and slashed its throat with it. After this another masked figure comes and pulls out what I would call a spade dagger. So, I got that too, but the dream was ending and I think I woke up. It was memorable because I don't always win fights like that in my dreams.

I'll see if I can keep one fresh and write it out here, upon wakeing.
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Were they made of chocolate?
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Yes... they were made of chocolate. Milk chocolate, with some hazelnut chocolate filling. Tasty.
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Perhaps we are kindred spirits?
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The kind that dream dreams.
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ok. I have apnea so i always wake up and go back to sleep, and often have no problem remembering them if I try to track it into my mind before it slips away to be forgotten.
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That's great, I am looking forward to reading some more of your dreams.

I'll do the same and post what ever dreams I can recall into this thread as I revisit some of the techniques mentioned. Always good to stay practiced at this artform.

Fun times await those who dream.
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It's getting to that final hour where I undergo a transformation from an awake human to a dreamer.

Great time to bump this thread as I am sure some of you are read to nod off and start the adventure in dreaming. May this thread serve as a composite in your toolkit to becoming a God in your dreams.

May the dreamer awaken. That dreamer is you.
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Nothing too exciting on the first round of dreams. From what I can remember I was working at some manufacturing plant, it was early morning and I was there trying to open the door and my key didn't seem to work.

Other workers arrived and opened the door, I had an orange hard hat. Ended up working on some trailer manufacturing. At the end of my shift, someone gave me 4 large onions to take home.

Breaking up my sleep and going to try for a lucid dream in a little bit.
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"This is a thought-reactive feedback interface that renders out thoughts in the form of dream archtypes and experiences. They are your thoughts even if at first they appear sub-conscious. Exploring this through lucid dreaming will reveal that your thoughts are rendering out in the form of a dream."

I'm not sure if they are really our thoughts.

It seems more like dreams are a way to access knowledge
beyond our ego-consciousness.

For example, I recently dreamed that I traveled to a home in a place out West. It was definitely located on Sepulveda Avenue. The people living there had lost a son, Bobby.

If we do an etymologogical search on the word "Sepulveda" the dream gets rather interesting. Sepul derives from Sepulcher/ burial chamber

Veda derives from videre/ to see- receive a vision.

The Vedas are the sacred songs of the Hindus.

The "West" is where the souls of the departed go.

My best friend died in 1979. His name was "Bobby".

Then a little synchronicity- Our mutual friend
has a last name which is a cognate of the root word "sapul".
Sapul-ire/ to inter, or bury. This person became an undertaker.

Language is a store-house of ancient knowledge. If one
recalls a word, or phrase, from a dream, do an etymological
search and it might reveal more of the dreams significance.
I really had no idea what "Sepulveda" meant, but it seems to hold a lot of meaning.
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"This is a thought-reactive feedback interface that renders out thoughts in the form of dream archtypes and experiences. They are your thoughts even if at first they appear sub-conscious. Exploring this through lucid dreaming will reveal that your thoughts are rendering out in the form of a dream."

I'm not sure if they are really our thoughts.

It seems more like dreams are a way to access knowledge
beyond our ego-consciousness.

For example, I recently dreamed that I traveled to a home in a place out West. It was definitely located on Sepulveda Avenue. The people living there had lost a son, Bobby.

If we do an etymologogical search on the word "Sepulveda" the dream gets rather interesting. Sepul derives from Sepulcher/ burial chamber

Veda derives from videre/ to see- receive a vision.

The Vedas are the sacred songs of the Hindus.

The "West" is where the souls of the departed go.

My best friend died in 1979. His name was "Bobby".

Then a little synchronicity- Our mutual friend
has a last name which is a cognate of the root word "sapul".
Sapul-ire/ to inter, or bury. This person became an undertaker.

Language is a store-house of ancient knowledge. If one
recalls a word, or phrase, from a dream, do an etymological
search and it might reveal more of the dreams significance.
I really had no idea what "Sepulveda" meant, but it seems to hold a lot of meaning.
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Excellent insight into deconstructing language for deeper meaning from dreams.

Fundamentally, the sub-conscious houses all of these deeper thoughts and if you are Jungian, then the sub-conscious connects to a collective unconscious and is capable of extending into a larger system of consciousness.

However, we are all interconnected and the thoughts generated in dreaming still come from you and in certain dreams it becomes evident that you are thinking the thoughts that render on the dream canvas.

That said however, I am open minded that more telepathic like abilities also occur as shared dreaming does surface from time-to-time in dream research that further suggest a collective objective aspect in dreaming.

Going to prepare for my second sleep for the purpose of lucid dreaming, hopefully I succeed have had 3 in 1 week so far.
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The second sleep didn't yeild a lucid dream. The dream however was very vivid and very real making it hard to discern that I was dreaming.

I was on a pier with a friend who I fish with. He jumped off into the lake and swam. Invited me to go swimming. At the end of the pier was a rubber padded chair that was built into the pier.

I sat on the chair, it was very soft and comfortable. I remembered I wanted to sleep to have a lucid dream, so I started to relax in the chair carrying over my lucid dream techniques (what a waste, all I had to do was realize I was already dreaming).

Further clues was that I could see even when I closed my eyes in the dream. And I found it amazing that I could see with my eyes close, again not taking advantage of another clue that it was a dream.

I fell asleep again in the dream, and another dream formed where I was sitting in a car that was a convertible. Two Asian people walked by me and I nodded at them.

Started up the car and drove from the parking lot onto a road the road ended at an intersection that had all other roads closed due to construction and I had pulled a bit to far in so I had to reverse back into traffic which didn't make me too happy.

I parked the car and went into this building, a phone was ringing and I answered it as no one else was there. A lady was complaining to me about something. Another person arrived with a name tag that said "Carol" on it, and I passed her the phone. She thanked me for answering it. I walked out of the building into a parkade.

There were people moving items on some flat cart dollies. They had a wheel barrel that had two UPS large sized batteries stacked on it and they fell off.

I was shocked because I didn't want to be the person who was responsible for fucking up two expensive UPS batteries. Just watched as the movers freaked out and reacted to the problem.

I woke up shortly after that.

All in all, very vivid and real dreams with ample clues to pull in my logic to take back the awareness needed to lucid dream as I was very aware in the dream. However, the super-realism always seems to create this sense that while in the dream, I am in another "reality" and do not question that it's a dream. This is very common. I might take another stab at it as it's my day off and it's totally fun.
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Tried to take one last shot at it but was too awake to continue.

Another area I am looking at is self-hypnosis to get the body asleep. If anyone knows of any effective techniques let me know, I am interested.
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I LOVE the idea of a Dream Workshop!

This will help me explore my apocalyptic dreams and perhaps understand them.

I will begin journaling tonight.
Goodbye, halcyon days...

 There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

There is another theory mentioned, which states that this has already happened.
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I LOVE the idea of a Dream Workshop!

This will help me explore my apocalyptic dreams and perhaps understand them.

I will begin journaling tonight.
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Fantastic, I have been reviewing some self-hypnosis exercises for the relaxation into sleep elements. Not so much for the hypnosis rather being able to relax the body at will into sleep-fullness.

So far, the results have been excellent and well received. I was able to start into the audible and visual patterns of hypnagogia but was unable to relax enough for full sleep.

More practice obviously.

Let me know how the dreams go, and do please work on some of the exercises that will come along in this thread, we will all work towards a high level of dream quality and control.
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Here are two links to self-hypnosis techniques that I am looking at.

[link to www.wikihow.com]

[link to www.wikihow.com]

The idea isn't exactly to achieve a hypnotized state; rather extrapolate the techniques for getting the body into a state of willful sleep while "you" stay awake.

So far, the results are noted and relaxation certainly appears when applying the techniques so I will explore this more.

In one instance, I was able to create a perfect staircase and start walking down it. I could hear my hand knocking on the wall beside me. The visual, audible and tactile sensations clearly manifested in this preliminary dream that emerged within the inversion of the senses.

Unfortunately, I woke myself up and have to reset so thought I would share. Was very close to a waking induced lucid dream. Excellent.
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I'm in! I will try tonight.
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I'm in! I will try tonight.
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Great! Let me know how it goes.

Last nights dreams sucked, just work related doing encryption algorithms and hunting down a good cheap chocolate bar.

I am going to do the second sleep now see if I can work with the hypnosis and have a lucid dream... fun times.
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Some great feedback. This hypnosis approach to getting the body asleep is working great. I can sit on my couch and start to apply the techniques and results start to happen nearly instantly.

What is very interesting is there becomes a secondary focus state that emerges where the hypnagogic patterns start to emerge.

In this case, I saw a vivid geometrical fractal that was clearly organized thought as I could affect it, make it shift rotations etc.

It was in 2D but took up my whole REM screen. It really reminded me of Alex Grey or Luke Brown's artwork when they draw these geometrical matrix.

The more relaxed I became, the more vivid the colors and details became. The 2D fractal then shifted into a 3D layered planar grid that also swirled and interconnected.

As I watched these patterns I thought about what happens if the brain can render 4th dimensional geometry and this is where things got really interesting. The meshing system folded like many tesseracts and started to enfold on itself in ways I cannot describe.

Even if it was not 4th dimensional, my mind certainly generated a very interesting pattern that seems 4th dimensional, like being in a torus folding inwards and outwards.

Then I thought, what if the brain can generate a 5th dimensional matrix, and this is even more interesting as the sudden feeling of an omnipresent super-intelligent and self-aware matrix seemed to form, a feeling of "Super-Reality" or the self-awareness of reality if that makes sense.

It was like having everyone and everything self-aware and interconnected flowing through and interconnecting with my awareness.

Then I tried to get into a lucid dream, but rolled over on my side which is my normal sleeping position and that caused me to fall asleep instantly, so have to watch the positioning.

This was working when lying on my back with my hands by my sides.

Fun stuff.
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Great thread, bookmarking to read more thoroughly later. A bump for u in the meantime :)
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Still working on the dreams. What an interesting science. The science of dreaming. It's the first person version of the experience of consciousness.

I exist in a world where dreaming is a part of the human experience. Where you are not only a mortal lifeform, but a sophisticated dreamer, and one of epic proportions.

What a thing to shed off physical-law and just fly.





GLP