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According to Velikovsky, this electromagnetic disturbance came about from the "SUN OF WIND," as recorded from the ancient Mexican texts!!

In the ancient Mexican traditions it is told that those who survived the catastrophe of the “sun of wind” lost “their reason and speech." (The Confusion of Languages by Immanuel Velikovsky)

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The characteristic of this catastrophe was its influence upon the mental, or mnemonic, capacity of the peoples. The description of it, as told by many tribes and peoples, if it contains authentic features, arouses the surmise that the earth underwent an electromagnetic disturbance, and that the human race experienced something that in modern terms seems like a consequence of a deep electrical shock. (The Confusion of Languages by Immanuel Velikovsky)

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The Confusion of Languages by Immanuel Velikovsky

The sequence of events as presented in the Book of Genesis places the catastrophe of Babel next after the Deluge.
And the whole land was of one language and of one speech. . . . And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower whose top may reach unto heaven. . . . And the Lord said, behold, the people is one, and they have all one language. . . . Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language that they may not understand one another’s speech. So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth. (1)

The rabbinical sources explain that the purpose of the Tower was to secure a shelter for the city of Babel in case the Deluge should occur another time:

The men who were before us God has destroyed with a deluge; if he shall again think fit to be wroth with us, and seek to destroy us even with a deluge, we shall all perish to a man. But come, let us prepare bricks and burn them with fire, that they may withstand the waters and building them together with asphalt, let us make a high tower the top of which shall reach to heaven, in order that being delivered from the deluge we may find safety in the tower. (2)

This purpose of the builders is found also in an account of this catastrophe which the aborigines of Central America transmitted from generation to generation. Ixtlilxochitl, after narrating the story of the Deluge which brought to a close the first world age, Atonatiuh, and destroyed most of mankind, described the catastrophe which ended the second age or Ehecatonatiuh—"the sun of wind.”

And as men were thereafter multiplying they constructed a very high and strong Zacualli, which means “a very high tower” in order to protect themselves when again the second world should be destroyed. At the crucial moment their languages were changed, and as they did not understand one another, they went into different parts of the world. (3)

The same author also gives another version of the same catastrophe:

When 1715 years had passed since the Deluge [men] were destroyed by a violent hurricane (Uracan) which carried off trees, mountains, houses and people, and great buildings, although many men and women escaped, especially those that were able to take refuge in caves and places where this great hurricane could not reach. (4)

Similarly wrote Gomara (ca. 1510-1560): “The wind which occurred at that time was so great and of such force that it overthrew all buildings and trees, and even broke mountains apart." (5)

Many of the sources which recount the destruction of the Tower of Babel maintain, in close accord with the Mexican account, that the catastrophe was caused by a violent wind. Thus the Sibyl is said to have prophecied:

When are fulfilled the threats of the great God With which he threatened men, when formerly In the Assyrian land they built a tower, And all were of one speech, and wished to rise Even till they climbed unto the starry heaven, Then the Immortal raised a mighty wind And laid upon them strong necessity; For when the wind threw down the mighty tower, Then rose among mankind fierce strife and hate. One speech was changed into many dialects, And earth was filled with divers tribes and kings. (6)

In the Book of Jubilees it is said that “the Lord sent a mighty wind against the tower and overthrew it upon the earth." (7)

The Babylonian account, as transmitted by Abydenus, tells that once men “built a high tower where now is Babylon, and when it was already close to heaven, the gods sent winds and ruined the entire scheme. . . . and men, having till then been all of the same speech, received [now] from the gods many languages." (8)

Other accounts give the impression that a strong electrical discharge—possibly from an overcharged ionosphere—found a contact body in the high structure. According to a tradition known to the twelfth century traveler Benjamin of Tudela, “fire from heaven fell in the midst of the tower and broke it asunder." (9) In the Tractate Sanhedrin of the Babylonian Talmud it is said: “A third of the tower was burnt, a third sank [into the earth] and a third is still standing." (10)

The Tower of Babel story was found in the most remote parts of the world prior to the arrival of missionaries in those places, thus before the Biblical account became known to the aborigines.

For instance, on the island of Hao, part of the Puamotu (or Tuamotu) islands in Polynesia, the people used to tell that after a great flood the sons of Rata, who survived, made an attempt to erect a building by which they could reach the sky and see the creator god Vatea (or Atea). “But the god in anger chased the builders away, broke down the building, and changed their language, so that they spoke divers tongues." (11)

The question of Biblical influence was discussed by the folklorist: “They [the natives of Hao] declared that this tradition existed already with their ancestors, before the arrival of the Europeans. I leave to them the responsibility for this declaration. All I can certify is that this tradition contains many ancient words which today are no longer understood by the natives." (12)

Popol Vuh, the sacred book of the Quiche Mayas, narrates that the language of all the families that were gathered at Tulan was confused and none could understand the speech of the others. (13)

The Kaska (Indian) story makes the result into the cause. The Indians narrate that “a great darkness came on, and high winds which drove the vessels hither and thither. The people became separated. Some were driven away. . . . Long afterwards, when in their wanderings they met people from another place, they spoke different languages, and could not understand one another." (14)

With this exception—the Kaska story may refer to any great upheaval and is actually an effect of large-scale migrations—the traditions of the peoples make the catastrophe the immediate cause of the confusion of languages and the dispersion as well.

While the account in Genesis, and that given by Abydenos and various other sources connect the story with a certain place in Mesopotamia, other traditions localize it in many different countries. (15) In each case the entire population of the world is said to have been affected. If the nature of the catastrophe was cosmic, the same occurrence could have taken place in different countries. In this case the existence of similar traditions in many corners of the globe is of no avail for tracing the migration of ancient tribes. The Arabic tradition makes South Arabia the scene of the upheaval, followed by confusion of languages and migrations. (16)

Similar experiences could have been brought about by one and the same cause in many places.

It appears that after the Flood the plain of Mesopotamia became one of the few cultural centers of the world. Another flood would have caused the utter destruction of the human race, and this was feared because the memory of the Flood a few centuries earlier was very vivid. Observations of the movements of the heavenly bodies may have provided a warning of a new catastrophe and large structures were built for refuge. But when the event came, the structures were overwhelmed and destroyed by hurricanes and powerful electrical discharges.

In the rabbinical concept of the seven earths, molded one out of another in successive catastrophes, the generation which built the Tower of Babel inhabited the fourth earth; but it goes on to the fifth earth where the men become oblivious of their origin and home: (17) those who built the Tower of Babel are told to forget their language. This generation is called “the people who lost their memory.” The earth which they inhabited was “the fifth earth, that of oblivion (Neshiah) (18)

In the ancient Mexican traditions it is told that those who survived the catastrophe of the “sun of wind” lost “their reason and speech." (19)

The characteristic of this catastrophe was its influence upon the mental, or mnemonic, capacity of the peoples. The description of it, as told by many tribes and peoples, if it contains authentic features, arouses the surmise that the earth underwent an electromagnetic disturbance, and that the human race experienced something that in modern terms seems like a consequence of a deep electrical shock.

The application of electrical current to the head of a human being often results in a partial loss of memory; also a loss of speech may be induced by the application of electrodes to specific areas of the brain. (20)

References

Genesis XI. 1-9.

Quoted in Cosmas Indicopleustes, Christian Topography (Hakluyt Society: London, 1897). Cf. Josephus, The Antiquities of the Jews, I. 4. 2. and sources in L. Ginzberg, The Legends of the Jews, vol. V, pp. 199-200. [Some of the sources assert that the builders of the Tower feared a world conflagration. Cf. S. Bochart, Geographia Sacra, Lib. I, cap. xiv (Lugduni Batavorum, 1707): “. . . Video quosquam asserere, illos futuri incendii metu de asylo sibi prospexisse, memores scilicet ‘affore tempus quo mare, quo tellus, correptaque regia coeli ardeat, et mundi moles operosa laboret.’ “].

Don Fernando de Alvara Ixtlilxochitl, Obras Historicas (Mexico, 1891), Vol. I, p. 12.

Ibid., loc. cit. [Similarly, the sacred writings of the Burmese relate that “when the world is destroyed by wind . . . the wind begins to blow and gradually increases. At first it only raises sand and small stones; but at length it whirls about immense rocks, and the summits of mountains.” F. Buchanan, “On the Religion and Literature of the Burmas,” Asiatick Researches VII (1799), p. 244.]

F. L. de Gomara, Conquista de Mexico (Mexico, 1870), vol. II, p. 261. [The order of the “sun ages” of the ancient Mexicans is given differently by different authors: but the most reliable of the sources—the Vatican Codex, Ixtlilxochitl, and Veytia—all agree that Ehecatonatiuh, or “the sun of wind” was the second age, following after the “sun of water” or Atonatiuh.]

Quoted by Theophilus of Antioch, To Autolycus II. xxxi, transl. by M. Dods in The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. II (Grand Rapids, 1962); Cf. Josephus, Antiquities I. 109-121; Bochart, Geographia Sacra I. 13; The Sibylline Oracles III. 97-107 in R. Charles ed., Apocrypha and Pseudepographa of the Old Testament (Oxford, 1913), Vol. I, pp. 380f.

The Book of Jubilees 10.26 in Charles ed., Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament. Cf. also Midrash Rabba to Genesis, and sources in Ginzberg, Legends III. 35.

Abydenus, quoted by Cyril, Adversus Julianum Bk. I, and by Eusebius, Praeparatio Evangelica IX, 14.

Quoted in Bochart, Geographia Sacra I. 13. Cf. M. Adler, The Itinerary of Benjamin of Tudela (London, 1907).

Tractate Sanhedrin XI (fol. 109A) of Seder Nezikin, transl. by H. Freedman, ed by I. Epstein (London, 1935), p. 748. [The tradition that fire from heaven destroyed the tower is also a feature of some of the Meso-American accounts, e.g., the legend recorded by Pedro de los Rios concerning the foundation of the pyramid of Cholula in Mexico. After the waters of the Deluge had receded, one of the survivors came to Cholula, where he began to build a large structure. “It was his purpose to raise the mighty edifice to the clouds, but the gods, offended at his presumption, hurled the fire of heaven down on the pyramid, many of the workmen perished, and the building remained unfinished.” (J. G. Frazer, Folk Lore in the Old Testament Vol. I [London, 1918]. Frazer adds that “It is said that at the time of the Spanish conquest the inhabitants of Cholula preserved with great veneration a large aerolite, which according to them was the very thunderbolt that fell on the pyramid and set it on fire.” Cf. E. B. Tylor, Anahuac p. 277. Another Mexican tradition, recorded by Diego Duran in 1579 (Historia de las Indias de Nueva Espana y las Islas de Tierra Firme I [Mexico, 1867], pp. 6ff.) tells of giants who built a tower that almost reached the heavens, when it was destroyed by a thunderbolt.].

R. W. Williamson, Religious and Cosmic Beliefs of Central Polynesia (Cambridge, 1933), vol. I, p. 94.

A.-C. Eugene Caillot, Mythes, legendes et traditions des Polynesiens (Paris, 1914), p. 16, n. 1. The tradition was among those collected by Caillot in 1912 or 1913; his publication contains the story in the original Polynesian and in a French translation.

Brasseur de Bourbourg, Histoire des nations civilises du Mexique (1857-59), vol. I, p. 72. [Cf. also the Andean tradition recorded by Pedro Sarmiento de Gamboa in his Historia de los Incas, ch. 7. In common with other accounts, it places the confusion of languages after the Deluge.]

“Kaska Tales,” collected by James A. Teit, Journal of American Folklore, no. 30 (1917), p. 442.

Many different traditions were collected by James G. Frazer in Folk-lore in the Old Testament, (London, 1918), Vol. I, ch. V. Cf. H. H. Bankroft, The Native Races of the Pacific States, Vol. V.

D. Reiske, De Arabum Epocha Vetustissima, Sail Ol Arem, etc. (Leipzig, 1748). [The question of whether the Greeks transmitted an account of the same events was debated by several writers in antiquity, including Philo of Alexandria (De Confusione Linguarum), Cyril of Alexandria (Contra Julianum, Bk. IV) and Origen (Contra Celsum IV. 21). These writers saw a link between the story of the revolt of the giants—the sons of Aloeus who piled Ossa upon Olympus and Pelion atop Ossa in a vain effort to reach the lofty dwelling of Zeus and make war on the gods—and the account of the construction of the tower of Babel in Genesis XI. 3-8. The earliest allusion to these events is in Homer’s Odyssey (XI. 315-316); Homer ascribes the destruction of the giants to Apollo. Pliny N. H. II. 8. 30) and Macrobius (Saturn. I. 19. 7) identified Apollo with the planet Mercury. Apuleius wrote (De Mundo, 336) that Mercury and Apollo were alternate names for “Stilbon,” the planet Mercury.
Hesiod described the battle with the giants as an immense catastrophe involving the earth and heaven alike.

The boundless sea rang terribly around, and the earth crashed loudly: wide heaven was shaken and groaned, and high Olympus reeled from its foundations under the charge of the undying gods, and a heavy quaking reached Tartarus. . . . the cry of both armies as they shouted reached to starry heaven.
Then Zeus no longer held back his might; but straight his heart was filled with fury and he showed forth all his strength. From heaven and from Olympus he came forthwith, hurling his lightning: the bolts flew thick and fast from his strong hand, together with thunder and lightning, whirling and awesome flame. The life-giving earth crashed around in burning, and the vast wood cracked loud with fire all about. All the land seethed, and Ocean’s streams and the unfruitful sea. The hot vapour lapped round the earthborn Titans: flame unspeakable rose to the bright upper air: the flashing glare of the thunder shone and lightning blinded their eyes, for all that they were strong.
It seemed as if Earth and wide Heaven above came together; for such a mighty crash would have arisen if the Earth were being hurled to ruin and Heaven from on high were hurling her down.
. . . Also the winds brought rumbling earthquake and duststorm, thunder and lightning, and the lurid thunderbolt, which are the shafts of great Zeus.
Seneca also referred to the same events in mentioning Jupiter’s thunderbolts “by which the threefold mass of mountains fell” and a tradition held that this was the first occasion on which Jupiter used his bolts (Ovid, Fasti III. 438). The pagans disputed with the Jews and Christians whether Moses took the story from Homer or Homer from Moses, but the common origin of the two accounts was generally conceded. One early writer, Eupolemus, drew on both sources in asserting that “the city of Babylon had been founded by those who saved themselves from the deluge: they were giants, and they built the famous tower.” (Eusebius, Praep. Evang.) From the viewpoint of sequential chronology, the link is plausible. The giants’ revolt is said to have occurred not long after Zeus had taken over from Kronos the dominion of the sky, and it marks the real beginning of Jupiter’s dominion. Cf. Bochart, Geographia Sacra, I. 13.].

This is told in allegorical form in the tale of the wanderings of Adam. The myth of Man (Adam) traveling through all the seven earths is a transparent allegory of the physical and human history of the earth. See Sefer Raziel; cf. Ginzberg, Legends I. 90ff., V. 117f.

Midrash Rabba to Genesis, Exodus; Ginzberg, Legends I. 114; Zohar Hadesh Bereshit 8a-8b, Zohar Ruth 97b, and other sources in Ginzberg, Legends, V. 143. [In Tractate Sanhedrin 109a it is said that the place where the Tower once stood retains the peculiar quality of inducing a total loss of memory in anyone who passes it.]

H. H. Bankroft, The Native Races (San Francisco, 1882), vol. III, p. 64.

The electro-convulsive therapy used in psychiatry for the treatment of certain mental cases is administered by passing current through electrodes on the forehead. Conducted through the brain, the electric discharge causes a period of confusion and a subsequent complete, though temporary, loss of memory of the events immediately preceding the discharge. A number of patients complain also of consequent disturbances of longer duration, and some of them suffer a patchy, retrograde amnesia. See the article by Siskind in Archive of Neurological Psychiatry (Chicago, 1941), p. 215, 223.
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One hell of a post, HT, that must have taken some time & thought.
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Just trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together!!

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God did it and it resulted in actual languages, the ones spoken by people all over the world today.
Simple. Elegant. Truth.
No brain scrambling EM goofiness.
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God did it and it resulted in actual languages, the ones spoken by people all over the world today.
Simple. Elegant. Truth.
No brain scrambling EM goofiness.
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Don't know about you, but when I hear other languages besides my own, it's gibberish!!

In order for it to be an intelligent language, two or more would have to had understand each other!!

According to the texts it claims "NO ONE" understood the other!!


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bluewings Well electromagnetic disturbance!!, or not. The fact remains that God caused it to happen, however it happened.

Gen 11:1 ¶ And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

Gen 11:2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.


Gen 11:3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.

Gen 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top [may reach] unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

Gen 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people [is] one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

Gen 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

Gen 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

Gen 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth
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HT-i was trying to figure out what language divers spoke
:)

But I think this fits in with what we are to expect.Not just language skills being lost but memory in general.
It may range from total amnesia-not knowing how to walk or eat-to partial amnesia of not knowing who is who and associated "social" forms of behaviour(read possibly very violent animalistic) to mild and temporary.

I don't want to get into specifics but I suspect the best shelter to avoid the brain change is being underground-roughly 2 meters of dirt if possible.
Some have said certain types of metallic hats-not just tinfoil- will help disperse the electromagnetic energies.But it could also multiply the risks.

A pet theory of mine is that metallic fillings in our teeth may cause problems-as well as electrical heating of metallic conductors-rebar in structures,wires in homes etc.

My best guess again-about 6 feet of earth between you and the outside world.Afterwards wait till the truly insane(unsheltered) die off.They will not be people you want to see or deal with.
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I was thinking the gibberish was called by interference to the satelites in orbit. Wouldn't that cause gibberish?
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My best guess again-about 6 feet of earth between you and the outside world.
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What an exquisite metaphor :)

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I was thinking the gibberish was called by interference to the satelites in orbit. Wouldn't that cause gibberish?
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And Judge Judy to go to the hospital!
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Here, I'll lend a hand for background.
Genesis 11:1 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech.

Genesis 11:7,8 "Come, let us (Trinity - my comment)go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other." So the Lord scattered them from there over the whole earth, and they stopped building the city.

They couldn't understand each other because the languages were new and nobody could translate for anyone else. The people were unable to cooperate, so out of a sense of self-preservation, the new people groups separated, which was quite pragmatic, actually.

Here it is, verse 7, God did it.
Simple

Before this there was one language.
After this there were many languages.
EM disturbances do not cause organized language.

Gotta give you creativity points though:)
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My best guess again-about 6 feet of earth between you and the outside world.
 Quoting: Dervish


What an exquisite metaphor :)

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LOL
Yeah I know thats what it sounds like but seriously 6 feet of dirt provides alot of protection.A electromagnetic surge
or plasma blast from the sun may also cause huge amounts of xray and gamma radiation from trapped plasma in our own magnetic field.

6 feet of dirt provides a good level of radiation protection.Also I believe EM energie will get dispersed by the earth before it reaches the actual shelter area.Even lightening doesn't penetrate too deep into soil...i hope
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HT-i was trying to figure out what language divers spoke
:)

But I think this fits in with what we are to expect.Not just language skills being lost but memory in general.
It may range from total amnesia-not knowing how to walk or eat-to partial amnesia of not knowing who is who and associated "social" forms of behaviour(read possibly very violent animalistic) to mild and temporary.

I don't want to get into specifics but I suspect the best shelter to avoid the brain change is being underground-roughly 2 meters of dirt if possible.
Some have said certain types of metallic hats-not just tinfoil- will help disperse the electromagnetic energies.But it could also multiply the risks.

A pet theory of mine is that metallic fillings in our teeth may cause problems-as well as electrical heating of metallic conductors-rebar in structures,wires in homes etc.


My best guess again-about 6 feet of earth between you and the outside world.Afterwards wait till the truly insane(unsheltered) die off.They will not be people you want to see or deal with.
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Amnesia for sure!!

Velikovsky also wrote about humankind in amnesia!!

The memory of the cataclysms was erased, not because of lack of written traditions, but because of some characteristic process that later caused entire nations, together with their literate men, to read into these traditions allegories or metaphors where actually cosmic disturbances were clearly described.

[link to www.knowledge.co.uk]

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Sorry, didn't realize I was being redundant; I type slowly.
I disagree about the EM disturbance issue creating language. If we are going to pay attention the the Tower of Babel account, we should really pay attention to it, and not ignore the parts where there was ONE language, or the part where God confused their language. I have a feeling that the Hebrew may actually shed more light on this.
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HardTruth:

Excellent! Very probable. Next question: Natural electromagnetic disturbance, or directed technology? Myths say it was deliberate.
I'm not too fond of Signatures. Why would I want to end every post the same way?
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bluewings Well electromagnetic disturbance!!, or not. The fact remains that God caused it to happen, however it happened.

Gen 11:1 ¶ And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.


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The ancients deified many of the planets, the Jews were onetime worshippers of Saturn, and even named it EL!!

Nibiru was called by the Babylonian's, Assyrians, and other Mesopotamians, "Marduk", "The King of The Heavens"

Yep, god did it, Marduk, The King of The Heavens!!

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bluewings Well electromagnetic disturbance!!, or not. The fact remains that God caused it to happen, however it happened.

Gen 11:1 ¶ And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

Gen 11:2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.


Gen 11:3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.

Gen 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top [may reach] unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

Gen 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people [is] one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

Gen 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

Gen 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

Gen 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth

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so does that mean when the jews get killed it will be gods will too?
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Excellent! Very probable. Next question: Natural electromagnetic disturbance, or directed technology? Myths say it was deliberate.
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I don't mean to jump on HTs thread but...
IF this was natural and cyclic(which I believe)Mankind probably could not have evolved on planet earth.I am adding more than the EM here-but the cyclic cataclysmic events that are also supposed to have happened.
WE could not have evolved.

I assume we were seeded here.
But why seeded on a planet that zaps the occupants silly ever few dozen millenia?Just as technology increases radically?
Ever wonder if some sub group got hi tech enough to bug out before D-Day?
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Excellent! Very probable. Next question: Natural electromagnetic disturbance, or directed technology? Myths say it was deliberate.
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Well the Quran claims the water asteroids from the hammered bracelet (Asteroid belt), were intentionally directed to Earth by the Anunnaki to bring about the flood!!

I have no doubt some of the ancient cataclysms were intentional by alien forces (Elohim), as may be future ones as well!!

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HardTruth:

Excellent! Very probable. Next question: Natural electromagnetic disturbance, or directed technology? Myths say it was deliberate.
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I don't mean to jump on HTs thread but...
IF this was natural and cyclic(which I believe)Mankind probably could not have evolved on planet earth.I am adding more than the EM here-but the cyclic cataclysmic events that are also supposed to have happened.
WE could not have evolved.

I assume we were seeded here.
But why seeded on a planet that zaps the occupants silly ever few dozen millenia?Just as technology increases radically?
Ever wonder if some sub group got hi tech enough to bug out before D-Day?
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I suppose that would work well for them (wardens), if Earth was indeed a prison planet!!

'I think we're property.' (Charles Fort; Book of the Damned, pg 163)

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The ancients deified many of the planets, the Jews were onetime worshippers of Saturn, and even named it EL!!

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indoorx I wish you'd stop making things up.
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The ancients deified many of the planets, the Jews were onetime worshippers of Saturn, and even named it EL!!

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I wish you'd stop making things up.
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C'mon Judith (19.47), you've been here long enough to know that I don't make things up!!

The Phoenicians regarded El-Saturn as their chief deity; Eusebius informs us that El, a name used also in the Bible as a name for God, was the name of Saturn. Praeparatio Evangelica IV.xvi: “Kronos [El] was deified in the star Saturn.” This statement is quoted by Eusebius from Philo’s redaction of the lost Phoenician History of Sanchuniathon. Some classical writers, among them Tacitus (Histories V.4) alleged that the Jews were worshippers of Saturn; cf. Augustine’s refutation in Contra Faustum Manichaeum XX. 13. (The Worship of Saturn by Immanuel Velikovsky)


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God uses all things at His disposal to do His will.
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The ancients deified many of the planets, the Jews were onetime worshippers of Saturn, and even named it EL!!

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indoorx I wish you'd stop making things up.
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Stop making things up, none of those pictures are you and I refuse to feed into your attempt to seduce people with your strangely large collection of female photos.
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According to Velikovsky, this electromagnetic disturbance came about from the "SUN OF WIND," as recorded from the ancient Mexican texts!!

In the ancient Mexican traditions it is told that those who survived the catastrophe of the “sun of wind” lost “their reason and speech." (The Confusion of Languages by Immanuel Velikovsky)

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The characteristic of this catastrophe was its influence upon the mental, or mnemonic, capacity of the peoples. The description of it, as told by many tribes and peoples, if it contains authentic features, arouses the surmise that the earth underwent an electromagnetic disturbance, and that the human race experienced something that in modern terms seems like a consequence of a deep electrical shock. (The Confusion of Languages by Immanuel Velikovsky)

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The Confusion of Languages by Immanuel Velikovsky

The sequence of events as presented in the Book of Genesis places the catastrophe of Babel next after the Deluge.
And the whole land was of one language and of one speech. . . . And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower whose top may reach unto heaven. . . . And the Lord said, behold, the people is one, and they have all one language. . . . Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language that they may not understand one another’s speech. So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth. (1)

The rabbinical sources explain that the purpose of the Tower was to secure a shelter for the city of Babel in case the Deluge should occur another time:

The men who were before us God has destroyed with a deluge; if he shall again think fit to be wroth with us, and seek to destroy us even with a deluge, we shall all perish to a man. But come, let us prepare bricks and burn them with fire, that they may withstand the waters and building them together with asphalt, let us make a high tower the top of which shall reach to heaven, in order that being delivered from the deluge we may find safety in the tower. (2)

This purpose of the builders is found also in an account of this catastrophe which the aborigines of Central America transmitted from generation to generation. Ixtlilxochitl, after narrating the story of the Deluge which brought to a close the first world age, Atonatiuh, and destroyed most of mankind, described the catastrophe which ended the second age or Ehecatonatiuh—"the sun of wind.”

And as men were thereafter multiplying they constructed a very high and strong Zacualli, which means “a very high tower” in order to protect themselves when again the second world should be destroyed. At the crucial moment their languages were changed, and as they did not understand one another, they went into different parts of the world. (3)

The same author also gives another version of the same catastrophe:

When 1715 years had passed since the Deluge [men] were destroyed by a violent hurricane (Uracan) which carried off trees, mountains, houses and people, and great buildings, although many men and women escaped, especially those that were able to take refuge in caves and places where this great hurricane could not reach. (4)

Similarly wrote Gomara (ca. 1510-1560): “The wind which occurred at that time was so great and of such force that it overthrew all buildings and trees, and even broke mountains apart." (5)

Many of the sources which recount the destruction of the Tower of Babel maintain, in close accord with the Mexican account, that the catastrophe was caused by a violent wind. Thus the Sibyl is said to have prophecied:

When are fulfilled the threats of the great God With which he threatened men, when formerly In the Assyrian land they built a tower, And all were of one speech, and wished to rise Even till they climbed unto the starry heaven, Then the Immortal raised a mighty wind And laid upon them strong necessity; For when the wind threw down the mighty tower, Then rose among mankind fierce strife and hate. One speech was changed into many dialects, And earth was filled with divers tribes and kings. (6)

In the Book of Jubilees it is said that “the Lord sent a mighty wind against the tower and overthrew it upon the earth." (7)

The Babylonian account, as transmitted by Abydenus, tells that once men “built a high tower where now is Babylon, and when it was already close to heaven, the gods sent winds and ruined the entire scheme. . . . and men, having till then been all of the same speech, received [now] from the gods many languages." (8)

Other accounts give the impression that a strong electrical discharge—possibly from an overcharged ionosphere—found a contact body in the high structure. According to a tradition known to the twelfth century traveler Benjamin of Tudela, “fire from heaven fell in the midst of the tower and broke it asunder." (9) In the Tractate Sanhedrin of the Babylonian Talmud it is said: “A third of the tower was burnt, a third sank [into the earth] and a third is still standing." (10)

The Tower of Babel story was found in the most remote parts of the world prior to the arrival of missionaries in those places, thus before the Biblical account became known to the aborigines.

For instance, on the island of Hao, part of the Puamotu (or Tuamotu) islands in Polynesia, the people used to tell that after a great flood the sons of Rata, who survived, made an attempt to erect a building by which they could reach the sky and see the creator god Vatea (or Atea). “But the god in anger chased the builders away, broke down the building, and changed their language, so that they spoke divers tongues." (11)

The question of Biblical influence was discussed by the folklorist: “They [the natives of Hao] declared that this tradition existed already with their ancestors, before the arrival of the Europeans. I leave to them the responsibility for this declaration. All I can certify is that this tradition contains many ancient words which today are no longer understood by the natives." (12)

Popol Vuh, the sacred book of the Quiche Mayas, narrates that the language of all the families that were gathered at Tulan was confused and none could understand the speech of the others. (13)

The Kaska (Indian) story makes the result into the cause. The Indians narrate that “a great darkness came on, and high winds which drove the vessels hither and thither. The people became separated. Some were driven away. . . . Long afterwards, when in their wanderings they met people from another place, they spoke different languages, and could not understand one another." (14)

With this exception—the Kaska story may refer to any great upheaval and is actually an effect of large-scale migrations—the traditions of the peoples make the catastrophe the immediate cause of the confusion of languages and the dispersion as well.

While the account in Genesis, and that given by Abydenos and various other sources connect the story with a certain place in Mesopotamia, other traditions localize it in many different countries. (15) In each case the entire population of the world is said to have been affected. If the nature of the catastrophe was cosmic, the same occurrence could have taken place in different countries. In this case the existence of similar traditions in many corners of the globe is of no avail for tracing the migration of ancient tribes. The Arabic tradition makes South Arabia the scene of the upheaval, followed by confusion of languages and migrations. (16)

Similar experiences could have been brought about by one and the same cause in many places.

It appears that after the Flood the plain of Mesopotamia became one of the few cultural centers of the world. Another flood would have caused the utter destruction of the human race, and this was feared because the memory of the Flood a few centuries earlier was very vivid. Observations of the movements of the heavenly bodies may have provided a warning of a new catastrophe and large structures were built for refuge. But when the event came, the structures were overwhelmed and destroyed by hurricanes and powerful electrical discharges.

In the rabbinical concept of the seven earths, molded one out of another in successive catastrophes, the generation which built the Tower of Babel inhabited the fourth earth; but it goes on to the fifth earth where the men become oblivious of their origin and home: (17) those who built the Tower of Babel are told to forget their language. This generation is called “the people who lost their memory.” The earth which they inhabited was “the fifth earth, that of oblivion (Neshiah) (18)

In the ancient Mexican traditions it is told that those who survived the catastrophe of the “sun of wind” lost “their reason and speech." (19)

The characteristic of this catastrophe was its influence upon the mental, or mnemonic, capacity of the peoples. The description of it, as told by many tribes and peoples, if it contains authentic features, arouses the surmise that the earth underwent an electromagnetic disturbance, and that the human race experienced something that in modern terms seems like a consequence of a deep electrical shock.

The application of electrical current to the head of a human being often results in a partial loss of memory; also a loss of speech may be induced by the application of electrodes to specific areas of the brain. (20)

References

Genesis XI. 1-9.

Quoted in Cosmas Indicopleustes, Christian Topography (Hakluyt Society: London, 1897). Cf. Josephus, The Antiquities of the Jews, I. 4. 2. and sources in L. Ginzberg, The Legends of the Jews, vol. V, pp. 199-200. [Some of the sources assert that the builders of the Tower feared a world conflagration. Cf. S. Bochart, Geographia Sacra, Lib. I, cap. xiv (Lugduni Batavorum, 1707): “. . . Video quosquam asserere, illos futuri incendii metu de asylo sibi prospexisse, memores scilicet ‘affore tempus quo mare, quo tellus, correptaque regia coeli ardeat, et mundi moles operosa laboret.’ “].

Don Fernando de Alvara Ixtlilxochitl, Obras Historicas (Mexico, 1891), Vol. I, p. 12.

Ibid., loc. cit. [Similarly, the sacred writings of the Burmese relate that “when the world is destroyed by wind . . . the wind begins to blow and gradually increases. At first it only raises sand and small stones; but at length it whirls about immense rocks, and the summits of mountains.” F. Buchanan, “On the Religion and Literature of the Burmas,” Asiatick Researches VII (1799), p. 244.]

F. L. de Gomara, Conquista de Mexico (Mexico, 1870), vol. II, p. 261. [The order of the “sun ages” of the ancient Mexicans is given differently by different authors: but the most reliable of the sources—the Vatican Codex, Ixtlilxochitl, and Veytia—all agree that Ehecatonatiuh, or “the sun of wind” was the second age, following after the “sun of water” or Atonatiuh.]

Quoted by Theophilus of Antioch, To Autolycus II. xxxi, transl. by M. Dods in The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. II (Grand Rapids, 1962); Cf. Josephus, Antiquities I. 109-121; Bochart, Geographia Sacra I. 13; The Sibylline Oracles III. 97-107 in R. Charles ed., Apocrypha and Pseudepographa of the Old Testament (Oxford, 1913), Vol. I, pp. 380f.

The Book of Jubilees 10.26 in Charles ed., Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament. Cf. also Midrash Rabba to Genesis, and sources in Ginzberg, Legends III. 35.

Abydenus, quoted by Cyril, Adversus Julianum Bk. I, and by Eusebius, Praeparatio Evangelica IX, 14.

Quoted in Bochart, Geographia Sacra I. 13. Cf. M. Adler, The Itinerary of Benjamin of Tudela (London, 1907).

Tractate Sanhedrin XI (fol. 109A) of Seder Nezikin, transl. by H. Freedman, ed by I. Epstein (London, 1935), p. 748. [The tradition that fire from heaven destroyed the tower is also a feature of some of the Meso-American accounts, e.g., the legend recorded by Pedro de los Rios concerning the foundation of the pyramid of Cholula in Mexico. After the waters of the Deluge had receded, one of the survivors came to Cholula, where he began to build a large structure. “It was his purpose to raise the mighty edifice to the clouds, but the gods, offended at his presumption, hurled the fire of heaven down on the pyramid, many of the workmen perished, and the building remained unfinished.” (J. G. Frazer, Folk Lore in the Old Testament Vol. I [London, 1918]. Frazer adds that “It is said that at the time of the Spanish conquest the inhabitants of Cholula preserved with great veneration a large aerolite, which according to them was the very thunderbolt that fell on the pyramid and set it on fire.” Cf. E. B. Tylor, Anahuac p. 277. Another Mexican tradition, recorded by Diego Duran in 1579 (Historia de las Indias de Nueva Espana y las Islas de Tierra Firme I [Mexico, 1867], pp. 6ff.) tells of giants who built a tower that almost reached the heavens, when it was destroyed by a thunderbolt.].

R. W. Williamson, Religious and Cosmic Beliefs of Central Polynesia (Cambridge, 1933), vol. I, p. 94.

A.-C. Eugene Caillot, Mythes, legendes et traditions des Polynesiens (Paris, 1914), p. 16, n. 1. The tradition was among those collected by Caillot in 1912 or 1913; his publication contains the story in the original Polynesian and in a French translation.

Brasseur de Bourbourg, Histoire des nations civilises du Mexique (1857-59), vol. I, p. 72. [Cf. also the Andean tradition recorded by Pedro Sarmiento de Gamboa in his Historia de los Incas, ch. 7. In common with other accounts, it places the confusion of languages after the Deluge.]

“Kaska Tales,” collected by James A. Teit, Journal of American Folklore, no. 30 (1917), p. 442.

Many different traditions were collected by James G. Frazer in Folk-lore in the Old Testament, (London, 1918), Vol. I, ch. V. Cf. H. H. Bankroft, The Native Races of the Pacific States, Vol. V.

D. Reiske, De Arabum Epocha Vetustissima, Sail Ol Arem, etc. (Leipzig, 1748). [The question of whether the Greeks transmitted an account of the same events was debated by several writers in antiquity, including Philo of Alexandria (De Confusione Linguarum), Cyril of Alexandria (Contra Julianum, Bk. IV) and Origen (Contra Celsum IV. 21). These writers saw a link between the story of the revolt of the giants—the sons of Aloeus who piled Ossa upon Olympus and Pelion atop Ossa in a vain effort to reach the lofty dwelling of Zeus and make war on the gods—and the account of the construction of the tower of Babel in Genesis XI. 3-8. The earliest allusion to these events is in Homer’s Odyssey (XI. 315-316); Homer ascribes the destruction of the giants to Apollo. Pliny N. H. II. 8. 30) and Macrobius (Saturn. I. 19. 7) identified Apollo with the planet Mercury. Apuleius wrote (De Mundo, 336) that Mercury and Apollo were alternate names for “Stilbon,” the planet Mercury.
Hesiod described the battle with the giants as an immense catastrophe involving the earth and heaven alike.

The boundless sea rang terribly around, and the earth crashed loudly: wide heaven was shaken and groaned, and high Olympus reeled from its foundations under the charge of the undying gods, and a heavy quaking reached Tartarus. . . . the cry of both armies as they shouted reached to starry heaven.
Then Zeus no longer held back his might; but straight his heart was filled with fury and he showed forth all his strength. From heaven and from Olympus he came forthwith, hurling his lightning: the bolts flew thick and fast from his strong hand, together with thunder and lightning, whirling and awesome flame. The life-giving earth crashed around in burning, and the vast wood cracked loud with fire all about. All the land seethed, and Ocean’s streams and the unfruitful sea. The hot vapour lapped round the earthborn Titans: flame unspeakable rose to the bright upper air: the flashing glare of the thunder shone and lightning blinded their eyes, for all that they were strong.
It seemed as if Earth and wide Heaven above came together; for such a mighty crash would have arisen if the Earth were being hurled to ruin and Heaven from on high were hurling her down.
. . . Also the winds brought rumbling earthquake and duststorm, thunder and lightning, and the lurid thunderbolt, which are the shafts of great Zeus.
Seneca also referred to the same events in mentioning Jupiter’s thunderbolts “by which the threefold mass of mountains fell” and a tradition held that this was the first occasion on which Jupiter used his bolts (Ovid, Fasti III. 438). The pagans disputed with the Jews and Christians whether Moses took the story from Homer or Homer from Moses, but the common origin of the two accounts was generally conceded. One early writer, Eupolemus, drew on both sources in asserting that “the city of Babylon had been founded by those who saved themselves from the deluge: they were giants, and they built the famous tower.” (Eusebius, Praep. Evang.) From the viewpoint of sequential chronology, the link is plausible. The giants’ revolt is said to have occurred not long after Zeus had taken over from Kronos the dominion of the sky, and it marks the real beginning of Jupiter’s dominion. Cf. Bochart, Geographia Sacra, I. 13.].

This is told in allegorical form in the tale of the wanderings of Adam. The myth of Man (Adam) traveling through all the seven earths is a transparent allegory of the physical and human history of the earth. See Sefer Raziel; cf. Ginzberg, Legends I. 90ff., V. 117f.

Midrash Rabba to Genesis, Exodus; Ginzberg, Legends I. 114; Zohar Hadesh Bereshit 8a-8b, Zohar Ruth 97b, and other sources in Ginzberg, Legends, V. 143. [In Tractate Sanhedrin 109a it is said that the place where the Tower once stood retains the peculiar quality of inducing a total loss of memory in anyone who passes it.]

H. H. Bankroft, The Native Races (San Francisco, 1882), vol. III, p. 64.

The electro-convulsive therapy used in psychiatry for the treatment of certain mental cases is administered by passing current through electrodes on the forehead. Conducted through the brain, the electric discharge causes a period of confusion and a subsequent complete, though temporary, loss of memory of the events immediately preceding the discharge. A number of patients complain also of consequent disturbances of longer duration, and some of them suffer a patchy, retrograde amnesia. See the article by Siskind in Archive of Neurological Psychiatry (Chicago, 1941), p. 215, 223.
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Yep, god did it, Marduk, The King of The Heavens!!

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Except Marduk was between Mars & Jupiter, and is now an asteroid belt.

I think you may be on to something, but there is more to the story; my spidey sense tells me.

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The ancients deified many of the planets, the Jews were onetime worshippers of Saturn, and even named it EL!!

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indoorx I wish you'd stop making things up.
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Stop making things up, none of those pictures are you and I refuse to feed into your attempt to seduce people with your strangely large collection of female photos.
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+1
lol

you are aka 9teen47? 1947? you post same pics like him and act the same so i bet you are 60 year old man... you changed your name bcos people found you out?

you certainly don't show the love or compassion i would expect from a woman.
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