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OTTAWA, Ontario, February 28, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) – In a recent parliamentary session on a bill relating to sexual offenses against children, psychology experts claimed that pedophilia is a “sexual orientation” comparable to homosexuality or heterosexuality, a definition that was questioned by one Member of Parliament who was present.

Bill C-54, an Act to Amend the Criminal Code, seeks to increase or impose mandatory minimum penalties or punishment on sexual offenders of children for particular crimes.

Parliamentary discussion on February 14 centered on the mandatory minimum imprisonment and how offenders respond to treatment. Dr. Vernon Quinsey and Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem, experts on the issue, were called to witness.

“When we speak of therapy or when individuals get therapy and we feel as though everyone is pacified, the good news is often illusory,” said Van Gijseghem, psychologist and retired professor of the University of Montreal.

“Pedophiles are not simply people who commit a small offence from time to time but rather are grappling with what is equivalent to a sexual orientation just like another individual may be grappling with heterosexuality or even homosexuality,” emphasized Van Gijseghem.

“True pedophiles have an exclusive preference for children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation. You cannot change this person’s sexual orientation.” He added, however: “He may however remain abstinent.”

MP Serge Ménard later praised the witnesses. “Mr. Van Gijseghem and Mr. Quinsey,” said Ménard, “corrected some of our impressions.”

However, MP Marc Lemay of the Bloc Quebecois challenged Van Gijseghem’s definition. “I have to admit that I was not expecting, on this Valentine’s Day, to be talking about this inappropriate type of love.


It is not really love. It has more to do with violence and control. I am concerned, Professor Van Gijseghem … because you say, if I am not mistaken, that pedophilia is a sexual orientation.”

“That is what I said,” continued Van Gijseghem.

Lemay pursued the point, asking if it therefore should “be compared to homosexuality.”

“Yes, or heterosexuality,” responded Van Gijseghem. “If, for instance, you were living in a society where heterosexuality is proscribed or prohibited and you were told that you had to get therapy to change your sexual orientation, you would probably say that that is slightly crazy.

In other words, you would not accept that at all. I use this analogy to say that, yes indeed, pedophiles do not change their sexual orientation.”

During his witness, Quinsey, professor emeritus of psychology at Queen’s University, said that pedophiles’ “sexual interests” “prefer prepubescent children.” “There is no evidence,” he said, “that this sort of preference can be changed through treatment or through anything else.”

“You can manage the risk that sex offenders present - even pedophiles,” added Quinsey, “It’s not necessarily that they need to change their sexual orientation; they need to learn to control themselves, with our help.”


“In my opinion, society and no one around this table will accept pedophilia, even if it is a sexual orientation,” said Lemay, “I recall a period, not too long ago, when homosexuality was treated as an illness.

It is now accepted, society has accepted it … I cannot imagine pedophilia being accepted in 2011. You are telling me that even if we were to impose a five-year minimum on people it would not solve the problem. Once they get out of jail, they reoffend. That is worrisome.”

One columnist in the Toronto Sun, Brian Lilley, expressed shock at Van Gijseghem’s testimony: “what really shocked me was the Universite de Montreal professor, Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem, who showed up to tell MPs pedophilia was a sexual orientation just like heterosexuality or homosexuality.”


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So when will pedophilia be legal?

This was bound to happen, once homosexuals said they cannot change there sexual orientation, then other people with sexual deviancy's are going to come forward to say, they cannot help what there sexual orientation is..
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Time to break the glass on my emergency zombie killing shotgun.
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Funny how he thinks heterosexuality is an orientation, since heterosexuality is what started civilization and family by pro-creation..

No heterosexuality, no people, no family, no civilization..

End of human beings...
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Satanism is a sexual orientation ???
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Well, technically, "pedophilia" is not a crime. Before you go beserk...listen up. Pedophilia is the attraction, not the sex act. Ergo, pedophilia is not a crime; child rape is a crime.

I don't think they can ever change. They must be separated from society. Castration does not work. They still want to touch children with their hands, etc.
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Satanism is a sexual orientation ???
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Satan=Gay pedophile....He is the opposite of everything from GOD..
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If theres grass on the field, play ball??


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So when will pedophilia be legal?

This was bound to happen, once homosexuals said they cannot change there sexual orientation, then other people with sexual deviancy's are going to come forward to say, they cannot help what there sexual orientation is..
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When becomes legal for the parent of a child victim to kill the offender.
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OP, I still believe hetero is an orientation, albeit the default orientation.

Have you read about the latest homo/hetero studies with mice and serotonin levels. Those with low serotonin are homo. Give them serotonin and they are hetero. With mice anyway, it is as simple as that.
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Well, technically, "pedophilia" is not a crime. Before you go beserk...listen up. Pedophilia is the attraction, not the sex act. Ergo, pedophilia is not a crime; child rape is a crime.

I don't think they can ever change. They must be separated from society. Castration does not work. They still want to touch children with their hands, etc.
 Quoting: Ten Hits


S0 how many people that claim *Sexual Orientation* to someone or something, will gov't recognize as legal unions?


Pedophiles are legal in some parts of the world...
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There are absolutely no barriers which cannot be broken. If things don't stop NOW, in 20 years' time, paedophile comedians will be hosting their own talk shows on national television!
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I don't consider paedo an orientation because it seems that they cannot control their behavior/crimes. Heteros don't go around uncontrollably raping others like paedos do. I think paedo is more of an abnormal obssession/compulsion. Either way, these sick fukkers need locked up and if they have abused a child, then they need executed.
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OP, I still believe hetero is an orientation, albeit the default orientation.

Have you read about the latest homo/hetero studies with mice and serotonin levels. Those with low serotonin are homo. Give them serotonin and they are hetero. With mice anyway, it is as simple as that.
 Quoting: Ten Hits


Yeah I read that seretonin article...

I think it's natural in nature by GOD's design for people to be heterosexual, WHY because the way the female and male body is designed...

When women ovulate, they are more seductive twoards male, because it is the female body that is telling her, that she is fertile and the body is ready for sex so re-production can occur..

This is the SAME in the animal kingdom with female and male
beasts..
The smell of a female animals will drive male animals *batty* as they want to get to that female..

That is not *Orientation* that is nature doing what it is suppose to do to keep the species going....
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It may well be an orientation, but it is a deviant orientation that causes untold damage to children. If they cannot be cured they must be controlled. The best way to do that is to remove the source of the problem.
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These sorts of people need to be treated and counseled, rather than locked up in prisons. Prison solves nothing, for ANY type of society's criminals. People need treatment, not incarceration.
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.
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way to miss the point
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It may well be an orientation, but it is a deviant orientation that causes untold damage to children. If they cannot be cured they must be controlled. The best way to do that is to remove the source of the problem.
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the children?? you sick fuck..
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These sorts of people need to be treated and counseled, rather than locked up in prisons. Prison solves nothing, for ANY type of society's criminals. People need treatment, not incarceration.
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When they said Homosexuals could not be **cured** bcause of Sexual Orientaton, they left the door open to other's that cannot control there sexual orientations, wether that is

Pedophilia
Beastiality
Sado Masochists..


Sexual issues were always addressed out of *Morality* when morality was tossed, it let the box of Pandora to say Sexual feelings are an orientation, that people cannot change or cntrol...
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These sorts of people need to be treated and counseled, rather than locked up in prisons. Prison solves nothing, for ANY type of society's criminals. People need treatment, not incarceration.
 Quoting: canis mesomelas


These people need a high speed lead injection to the dome , that solves the problem permanently and economically.
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These sorts of people need to be treated and counseled, rather than locked up in prisons. Prison solves nothing, for ANY type of society's criminals. People need treatment, not incarceration.
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They are HURTING children! They are not sexually and romantically attracted to adults who have the maturity and legal right to consent.

Pedos should be ALL locked up. Permanently. They are major, major threats and will be their entire life. They can not be 'fixed'.

And no question those convicted of multiple assaults should be executed.
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Re: Pedophilia a ‘sexual orientation’ experts tell Parliament....
OTTAWA, Ontario, February 28, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) – In a recent parliamentary session on a bill relating to sexual offenses against children, psychology experts claimed that pedophilia is a “sexual orientation” comparable to homosexuality or heterosexuality, a definition that was questioned by one Member of Parliament who was present.

Bill C-54, an Act to Amend the Criminal Code, seeks to increase or impose mandatory minimum penalties or punishment on sexual offenders of children for particular crimes.

Parliamentary discussion on February 14 centered on the mandatory minimum imprisonment and how offenders respond to treatment. Dr. Vernon Quinsey and Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem, experts on the issue, were called to witness.

“When we speak of therapy or when individuals get therapy and we feel as though everyone is pacified, the good news is often illusory,” said Van Gijseghem, psychologist and retired professor of the University of Montreal.

“Pedophiles are not simply people who commit a small offence from time to time but rather are grappling with what is equivalent to a sexual orientation just like another individual may be grappling with heterosexuality or even homosexuality,” emphasized Van Gijseghem.

“True pedophiles have an exclusive preference for children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation. You cannot change this person’s sexual orientation.” He added, however: “He may however remain abstinent.”

MP Serge Ménard later praised the witnesses. “Mr. Van Gijseghem and Mr. Quinsey,” said Ménard, “corrected some of our impressions.”

However, MP Marc Lemay of the Bloc Quebecois challenged Van Gijseghem’s definition. “I have to admit that I was not expecting, on this Valentine’s Day, to be talking about this inappropriate type of love.


It is not really love. It has more to do with violence and control. I am concerned, Professor Van Gijseghem … because you say, if I am not mistaken, that pedophilia is a sexual orientation.”

“That is what I said,” continued Van Gijseghem.

Lemay pursued the point, asking if it therefore should “be compared to homosexuality.”

“Yes, or heterosexuality,” responded Van Gijseghem. “If, for instance, you were living in a society where heterosexuality is proscribed or prohibited and you were told that you had to get therapy to change your sexual orientation, you would probably say that that is slightly crazy.

In other words, you would not accept that at all. I use this analogy to say that, yes indeed, pedophiles do not change their sexual orientation.”

During his witness, Quinsey, professor emeritus of psychology at Queen’s University, said that pedophiles’ “sexual interests” “prefer prepubescent children.” “There is no evidence,” he said, “that this sort of preference can be changed through treatment or through anything else.”

“You can manage the risk that sex offenders present - even pedophiles,” added Quinsey, “It’s not necessarily that they need to change their sexual orientation; they need to learn to control themselves, with our help.”


“In my opinion, society and no one around this table will accept pedophilia, even if it is a sexual orientation,” said Lemay, “I recall a period, not too long ago, when homosexuality was treated as an illness.

It is now accepted, society has accepted it … I cannot imagine pedophilia being accepted in 2011. You are telling me that even if we were to impose a five-year minimum on people it would not solve the problem. Once they get out of jail, they reoffend. That is worrisome.”

One columnist in the Toronto Sun, Brian Lilley, expressed shock at Van Gijseghem’s testimony: “what really shocked me was the Universite de Montreal professor, Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem, who showed up to tell MPs pedophilia was a sexual orientation just like heterosexuality or homosexuality.”


[link to www.lifesitenews.com]
 Quoting: Susie 1246263


It was only a matter of time before the perverts tried to make this as normal as everything else they want to make mainstream.

So when will people get it? What's next? Wanting to marry your dog because it's a orientation? Oh, let's not forget that there is probably some "GENE" that makes people pedophiles as there is a "GENE" that makes people gay.

Keep 'em coming!
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I agree with the doctor...it is a form of sexual orientation, that doesnt mean you have to like it. It just means what it means, its not going to become legal,nor is it going to become acceptable,what it may mean is that there might be more actions to prevent it from happening and more therapy for its victims and a greater understanding as to why it happens, I think many pedophiles have been victims themselves and others have not been, it also doesnt mean that all victims become pedophiles , nor do all pedophiles act out their urges
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When they said Homosexuals could not be **cured** bcause of Sexual Orientaton, they left the door open to other's that cannot control there sexual orientations, wether that is

Pedophilia
Beastiality
Sado Masochists..


Sexual issues were always addressed out of *Morality* when morality was tossed, it let the box of Pandora to say Sexual feelings are an orientation, that people cannot change or cntrol...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1246263




Homosexuals don't need to be "cured" because it's not a sickness. It's not even comparable in any way to pedophilia because pedophilia is an infringement upon the rights of another person. Consenting homosexuals are safe and healthy relationships, however you can't have sex with a child without severe psychological damage done to the child.
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.
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If a Man of 60 marries a 20 year old, that is odd but odds are the man is not a Pedophile

Just like Hugh Hefner in my opinion is just vile for a Man of his age to still want women young enough to be his great grand-daughters


But it is a given if a 60 yr old GAY Man has a sexual relationship with a 20 yr old male he most definetly is
a *Pedophile*
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Well, technically, "pedophilia" is not a crime. Before you go beserk...listen up. Pedophilia is the attraction, not the sex act. Ergo, pedophilia is not a crime; child rape is a crime.

I don't think they can ever change. They must be separated from society. Castration does not work. They still want to touch children with their hands, etc.
 Quoting: Ten Hits


S0 how many people that claim *Sexual Orientation* to someone or something, will gov't recognize as legal unions?


Pedophiles are legal in some parts of the world...
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Parts where they saw people's heads off for religious purposes and stone to death and bury alive for honor?

I wonder where Ive seen that one?
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Now Obama can justify having sex with Justin Bieber.
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They are HURTING children! They are not sexually and romantically attracted to adults who have the maturity and legal right to consent.

Pedos should be ALL locked up. Permanently. They are major, major threats and will be their entire life. They can not be 'fixed'.

And no question those convicted of multiple assaults should be executed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1275713




They should be counseled to not hurt children or act out on their desires in any way. If someone has already caused damage yes, they should be rehabilitated.
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.
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Homosexuals are attracted to their same sex. That's it. Most. like most heterosexuals, are not attracted to children. Big difference.

Pedos are attracted to prepubescent children. This is not just an attraction but a deviant fetish that hurts INNOCENT others,.

Sadomasochism is a FETISH. If it involves consenting adults, it's their business, although I personally those into S&M are bad people i other aspects of their life and human relationships.
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They are HURTING children! They are not sexually and romantically attracted to adults who have the maturity and legal right to consent.

Pedos should be ALL locked up. Permanently. They are major, major threats and will be their entire life. They can not be 'fixed'.

And no question those convicted of multiple assaults should be executed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1275713




They should be counseled to not hurt children or act out on their desires in any way. If someone has already caused damage yes, they should be rehabilitated.
 Quoting: canis mesomelas


*TROLL ALERT*
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Homosexuals are attracted to their same sex. That's it. Most. like most heterosexuals, are not attracted to children. Big difference.

Pedos are attracted to prepubescent children. This is not just an attraction but a deviant fetish that hurts INNOCENT others,.

Sadomasochism is a FETISH. If it involves consenting adults, it's their business, although I personally those into S&M are bad people i other aspects of their life and human relationships.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1275713


Do you think there is a Gene for pedo's as there is for gays?
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