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highwic
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There was a Jupiter,Venus,crescent Moon conjunction, 1st Dec 08
In the image following, to the layman it looks like it is from above.
But on further investigation it says that the observing site is from Lat 47 deg North which is right as far as Jupiter and Venus are concerned but if you change that to 47 deg South there is no change to the position of Jupiter and Venus. As you will see in photos below there are huge differences between Northern hemisphere and Southern hemisphere positions of the conjunction as viewed from Earth

:corrupt conjunct:

view from southern hemisphere

:Southern Hemisph:

view from northern hemisphere

:Northern Hemisph:

view from Equator

:Equator:

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I am not sure if I got your point correct

I would say the differncens in the diagram are not shown because you are look from above onto the solarsystem.

From the earth you has an inside sideways view. That make the difference.
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I am not sure if I got your point correct

I would say the differncens in the diagram are not shown because you are look from above onto the solarsystem.

From the earth you has an inside sideways view. That make the difference.
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the point is the Crescent Moon,Venus,Jupiter conjunction is in different places depending what hemisphere you are in
From the northern hemisphere it was to the left of the Sun
From the southern hemisphere it was to the right of the Sun
From the Equator or above it was in line with the Sun

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You do realize we are on the side of the planet?
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of course
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That shows that the Planets are behind the Sun .. with means that you could not see them, because the sun is in front of them, and it day(light) when you try to watch them???
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That shows that the Planets are behind the Sun .. with means that you could not see them, because the sun is in front of them, and it day(light) when you try to watch them???
 Quoting: nedlog


they were seen @ Sunset and into the darkness, the photo from the Equator shows the correct position, look @ the crescent moon it tells you where the Sun is
here is a better photo of conjunction from southern hemisphere
[link to spaceweather.com]

the photos from Northern and Southern hemispheres are as it appeared from there they show conjunction to right and left of Sun, both are wrong

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Yes because the sun raises from East over South to West on the northern hemisphere

And Est NORTH West on the Southern Hemisphere.

So the same constellation has to be rotated.
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so why have they placed Jupiter in the wrong place on sky maps ?
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so I take it by the lack of response here that I am right
Jupiter is 35-40 deg out of its correct place on all sky charts so what is the big bright object in Jupiter's place ??

heres a better first image
[link to img546.imageshack.us]

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so why have they placed Jupiter in the wrong place on sky maps ?
 Quoting: highwic


[link to img855.imageshack.us]

I went to the jpl site and typed in elenin with the date that you mention. Maybe you can use this for comparison purposes?
hth
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wrong the "solar system live" image @ the top of this page clearly states the viewing position is 47 deg N

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wrong the "solar system live" image @ the top of this page clearly states the viewing position is 47 deg N
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But in the top image, you are not on earth. You are in space.

Where did you get that image?

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wrong the "solar system live" image @ the top of this page clearly states the viewing position is 47 deg N
 Quoting: highwic

But in the top image, you are not on earth. You are in space.
 Quoting: TBar1984


read the stuff under the image it says the observing site is 47 deg N does it not, answer the ?
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wrong the "solar system live" image @ the top of this page clearly states the viewing position is 47 deg N
 Quoting: highwic

But in the top image, you are not on earth. You are in space.
 Quoting: TBar1984


read the stuff under the image it says the observing site is 47 deg N does it not, answer the ?
 Quoting: highwic

I can see that, I can also see I'm looking at the solar system from Space...

Where did you get that image?

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now bring up solar system live for 1 Dec 08 and change the observing site to 47 deg S
and you will find no change to the position of Jupiter and Venus the below photo clearly shows otherwise

:Southern Hemisph:

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[link to www.fourmilab.ch]
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 Quoting: highwic

OK, I'm looking at this page - [link to www.fourmilab.ch]

Do you know what Horizontal Parallax is? Do you know that the farther away the body the less of a correction? Once you get further out than the Moon, the correction is very small. So small, you probably can forget about it unless you are zooming in with a telescope.
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 Quoting: highwic

OK, I'm looking at this page - [link to www.fourmilab.ch]

Do you know what Horizontal Parallax is? Do you know that the farther away the body the less of a correction? Once you get further out than the Moon, the correction is very small. So small, you probably can forget about it unless you are zooming in with a telescope.
 Quoting: TBar1984


have you put the date 1 DEC 08 and change the observing site from 47 deg N to 47 deg S ?
also change size to 520 easier to see things

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 Quoting: highwic

OK, I'm looking at this page - [link to www.fourmilab.ch]

Do you know what Horizontal Parallax is? Do you know that the farther away the body the less of a correction? Once you get further out than the Moon, the correction is very small. So small, you probably can forget about it unless you are zooming in with a telescope.
 Quoting: TBar1984


have you put the date 1 DEC 08 and change the observing site from 47 deg N to 47 deg S ?
 Quoting: highwic


Yes, and as I mentioned above, the HP correction is so small you don't see it in such a crude display. Maybe you would in the GLP scope, but it would be very small.
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no change in the position of Jupiter and Venus, right ?
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no change in the position of Jupiter and Venus, right ?
 Quoting: highwic


Look here, page 317 first column they show the Horizontal Parallax correction for the sun. ZERO - there is no correction due to the distance of the Sun from Earth [link to www.irbs.com]

You would have to look in the Nautical Almanac to get the correction for the planets, but it would be USELESS because the change would be extremely SMALL!!!

Page 319, they show the Horizontal Parallax correction to the Moon, it equates to a correction of 4.0' which is 4 nautical miles on earth.
2007. Reducing A Moon Sight
The moon is easy to identify and is often visible during the
day. However, the moon’s proximity to the earth requires applying
additional corrections to ha to obtain ho. This section
will cover moon sight reduction.
At 10-00-00 GMT, June 16, 1994, the navigator obtains a
sight of the moon’s upper limb. Hs is 26° 06.7'. Height of eye
is 18 feet; there is no index error. Determine ho, the moon’s
GHA, and the moon’s declination. See Figure 2007.
Body Moon (UL)
Index Correction 0.0'
Dip (18 feet) -4.1'
Sum -4.1'
Sextant Altitude (hs) 26° 06.7'
Apparent Altitude (ha) 26° 02.6'
Altitude Correction +60.5'
Additional Correction 0.0'
Horizontal Parallax (58.4) +4.0'
Moon Upper Limb Correction -30.0'
Correction to ha +34.5'
Observed Altitude (ho) 26° 37.1'

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forget complicating the issue just answer the ?
did Jupiter and Venus change position when you chaged the viewing position to 47 deg S yes or no
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forget complicating the issue just answer the ?
did Jupiter and Venus change position when you chaged the viewing position to 47 deg S yes or no
 Quoting: highwic


No, they will not change on that display because the correction is so small it would not be noticed.

Are you really trying to say that Jupiter is 47 degrees off because of the viewing location Horizontal Parallax, that you can't see being applied?
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they wont change huh well here is a photo from the NSW coast which is in the 33 deg S arena and you say no change

:Southern Hemisph:

laughable
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huge changes mate HUMONGUS AS SHOWN in image @ top of page
you are as thick as pig shit

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forget complicating the issue just answer the ?
did Jupiter and Venus change position when you chaged the viewing position to 47 deg S yes or no
 Quoting: highwic


No, they will not change on that display because the correction is so small it would not be noticed.

Are you really trying to say that Jupiter is 47 degrees off because of the viewing location Horizontal Parallax, that you can't see being applied?
 Quoting: TBar1984

You really are saying that, aren't you...

ohno
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the view from the Equator is the only 1 to go by and it would equate to one from above
:Equator:
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viewed from the Equator is the same as above, the Crescent moon tells you where the Sun is , directly in line, my case stands the corrupt sites have shifted Jupiter to compensate for the incoming dwarf star which they could not ignore any longer

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so when do you expect this brown dwarf to be seen from earth with the eye.... or any other information on this brown dwarf?





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