Yes, Reincarnation is how it works on Earth!!

You're welcome, and thanks for the read!!

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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

It feels like you can lose touch with something very important over the long run and do wonder if people can get sort of lost for a long time if lead to look in all the wrong places for something.

I do wonder if learning one's lessons is directly tied to being stuck in a 'Groundhog's Day' kind of loop, and moving on.



"their power is you!"

It's funny how so many Western cultured people don't believe in reincarnation when it's so obvious once a person start looking into it. Much of the rest of the world (the East, for example) knows reincarnation to be true. Countries like China, India, etc etc... it's pretty common knowledge to everyone but the crazy bible thumpers .

I have brought up details about 12 or 13 of my past lives at this point.

ASK ANY CHILD 7 years of age or younger if they remember what happened to them before they were born. Most of them remember...

I loved that movie, but even he got to keep his memories of each days events, knew where he went wrong and knew to not repeat the same mistakes!!



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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

It was interesting how at first he saw the same routine, lack of consequences, and knowledge from it, as a blessing and sort of abused his 'knowing' for his own gains.

The towns people even saw his form of knowledge godly even, and he sort of became a (egoic) king of the sandbox for a while.

After some time though, he did seem to get sick of the same experience (i imagine the feeling of being stuck for a while and all distractions losing their luster), becoming more service to others oriented, and learning to help others more meaningfully, finally broke free of that condition to move on to bigger and better things.

Indeed, I wonder what a 900 year lifespan would be like, wouldn't we all tire of war, greed, injustice pretty quickly!!

How early in that lifespan would we then desire to do our best to turn it all around?

I was tired of all the BS in my early thirties!!

I cant imagine having 800 years to try and improve the world instead of a measly 30 or so!!


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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

Last Edited by HardTruth on 06/25/2011 01:54 PM

Im not sure if the movie when into the time span, but wouldn't it be weird (yet depressing too) if Bill Murray's character was stuck in 'Groundhog's Day' loop for a long time, even centuries even?

Talk about taking a long time to learn one's lessons eh?


I thin i know what you mean, all my life there was an aspect of the 'suck' that was hard to define, it wasn't until my thirties as well where i could even use piece words and piece ideas to get a sense things are amiss, for a long time even. Still can't define it due to missing pieces and words that just doesn't describe it fully even maybe.

Same here, I didn't know what was wrong, or even how to describe it, but I knew this life as we have it was BS, its not supposed to be this way!!

I've spent the last 25 years going down the rabbit hole looking for the answers, and to my surprise, the BS begins with the multitude of Earth's false religions!!

Divide and conquer being the theme of this merry go round, and all true knowledge being with-held, hidden and suppressed!!



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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

Aside all the esoteric mumbo-jumbo, but this is exactly what I think, HardTruth; and since I seem to know it now for a fact, I am trying to look for the evidence to refute what is all but obvious to me now.

There is an interesting book I got recently, "Enigma Fantastique" it is called, by Allen, W. Gordon.
It is not that you, HardTruth do not have formidable research re possibilities, as i have gathered here, but simply because much of it is the had truth which most would not like.

this can be only two ways, i think, 900 years of exhilarating absence of BS. Or one has to love BS and strive and feed on it.
fucking hell!..

the Universe follows your natal chart, Its how to tell what lessons you are to learn in this lifetime

South node indicates your former life, and North node indicates what you will learn in this life

Eventually there is a special natal chart that the Secret Societies know that indicate your done with incarnations and about to become a immortal

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It does seem to me from what I have got by now that in the 'spiritual world' (not spirits realms, i mean; thought there probably too) one has to feed as well and the food in there is 'alive'. So, what would one do when has has to feed on what is alive?

Yep, everybody wants truth, and when they get it, most will revert back to what was comfortable!!


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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

"Down the memory hole"

How do the 'elites' see the 'regular' people (in the dark) that base their reality and views on information that may be wrong or highly distorted?

Do they laugh at us, see pity at least, compared to a foundation of understanding and information the 'elites' live by?

or is it like a really clever 10th grader humoring 2nd graders?

"A memory hole is any mechanism for the alteration or disappearance of inconvenient or embarrassing documents, photographs, transcripts, or other records, such as from a web site or other archive, particularly as part of an attempt to give the impression that something never happened. The concept was first popularized by George Orwell's dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. ..."

- [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Angels can pop in and out as they please, but they're not reincarnated.

They can also change their appearance and wear personalities like clothes.

They can do it at will, though. Others cannot.

You are arrogant and shall be made accountable, HardTruth but on this one, those harranging you and speaking of Satan are wrong and you are right.

But you have only small pieces and there shall be much pain and rejection for the Truth to be revealed.

Those of you that survive and are meek, humble and righteous shall be saved through what is to come and in the after.

There are many levels though and few make it to the top for knowledge is not enough.

You are an example of this.

Can you share what that image is about? It reminds me of those charts in Astrology that signifies the positions of astrological symbols in certain houses or quadrants it seemed.

Why is this kind of stuff very important to the Secret Societies that know about it, and is it close to the ones the fringe, non-secret societied, people may know about as well?

Also are there any values to the idea for one to overcome 'astrological effects' and symbolisms?

What Man may Obtain from the Twelve Signs

As each creature receives its spirit, number and measure from God, so also each creature has its time.

In the Ram, the vegetables of the earth obtain new vigor, the trees sap, and females become better adapted to propagate the human species. In this sign the fecundity of all creatures is limited and regulated. It has Sunday for its peculiar time and end.

In the Bull, all transactions and enterprises are prospered and fostered, so that they may go forward according to the will of God, but to this end constant prayers are necessary, and particularly on Sunday.

In the Twins, the angels have power over bodily changes and travel from one place to another over the heavens and through the course of the stars -- have power over the motion of the waters in rivers and in the sea, cause love between brethren, friends, and neighbors, and give warning against dangers, persons and objects.

In the Scorpion, the angels rule over legacies and riches, over treasure and treasure-seekers -- are calculated by nature to confer power, the art of speaking, and to enlighten the mind in holy things, in like manner as did the apostles in their unceasing prayer to God at Pentecost.

In the Lion, the angels have power to move every living thing, to multiply their species, to watch, and in certain manners to judge. And through the gift of God they confer Physicam, Medicinam, and Alchymiam.

In the Virgin, the spirits have power to subvert kingdoms, to regulate all conditions, to discriminate between master and servant, to command evil spirits, to confer perpetual health, and give to man Musicum, Logi-cam and Ethicam.

In the Balance, the angels derive from God great power, inasmuch as the sun and moon stand under this sign. Their power controls the friend- ship and enmity of all creatures. They have power over danger, warfare, over quarrels and slander -- lead armies in all quarters of the earth, cause rain, and give to man Arithmeticam, Astronomiam, Geometriam.

In the Scorpion, the angels have power over suffering and terror, over which man makes against God, over over common privileges. They compel the conscience to obedience, and also force devils to keep their agreements with men, and vice versa. They govern the life and death of all creatures, have power over departed souls, and give to man Theologiam, Metaphysicam and Geomantiam.

In the Archer, they have power over the four elements, lead the people from one country to another, regulate the changes of the elements and the propagation of animals.

In the Goat, the angels give high worldly honors, worthiness, and virtue, such as Adam enjoyed in Paradise in his innocence. They also en- lighten the understanding and confer human reason.

In the Aquitarius, angels keep man in good health, and teach him what is injurious to him, make him contented, and teach him through the command of God the mysteries of heaven and nature.

In the fish, the angels compel the evil spirits to become subject to man, protect the pious, so that the great enemy cannot harm him. (The Sixth and Seventh Book of Moses, pg. 135-136)


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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

is it that we once were angles too,.. but fell?

...now in a rehabilitation facility which had been hijacked by the veil?..

where is the memory of my sins/crimes?

Humankind didn't fall, we were conquered by hostile forces millions of years ago!!

We were once higher in spirituality than the creators of modern day man!!

We refused to bow to false gods and we got our asses kicked!!

The Apocalypse of Adam!!

The revelation which Adam taught his son Seth in the seven hundreth year, saying:

Listen to my words, my son Seth. When God had created me out of the earth, along with Eve, your mother, I went about with her in a glory which she had seen in the aeon from which we had come forth.

She taught me a word of knowledge of the eternal God. And we resembled the great eternal angels, for we were higher than the god who had created us and the powers with him, whom we did not know.

Then God, the ruler of the aeons and the powers, divided us in wrath. Then we became two aeons. And the glory in our heart(s) left us, me and your mother Eve, along with the first knowledge that breathed within us. And it (glory) fled from us; it entered into [...] great [...] which had come forth, not from this aeon from which we had come forth, I and Eve your mother.

But it (knowledge) entered into the seed of great aeons. For this reason I myself have called you by the name of that man who is the seed of the great generation or from whom (it comes). After those days, the eternal knowledge of the God of truth withdrew from me and your mother Eve.

Since that time, we learned about dead things, like men. Then we recognized the God who had created us. For we were not strangers to his powers. And we served him in fear and slavery. And after these things, we became darkened in our heart(s).

[link to www.gnosis.org]


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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

Fail.

I am familiar with this passage from NH scriptures. And I did not really mean that we "fell", I just followed the line of reasoning of that AC.
Anyhow, again, i do too think that we are the toys/slaves of a insane, psychotic, divided, generally dysfunctional godhead.
This is what Philip K. Dick thought on this:
"TWO SOURCE COSMOGONY: The One was and was-not, combined, and desired to separate the was-not from the was. So it generated a diploid sac which contained, like an eggshell, a pair of twins, each an androgyny, spinning in opposite directions (the Yin and Yang of Taoism, with the One as the Tao). The plan of the One was that both twins would emerge into being (was-ness) simultaneously; however, motivated by a desire to be (which the One implanted in both twins), the counter-clockwise twin broke through the sac and separated prematurely; i.e. before full term. This was the dark or Yin twin. Therefore it was defective. At full term the wiser twin emerged. Each twin formed a unitary entelechy, a single living organism made of psyche and soma, still rotating in opposite directions to each other. The full term twin, called Form I by Parmenides, advanced correctly through its growth stages, but the prematurely born twin, called Form II, languished.

The next step in the One's plan was that the Two would become the Many, through their dialetic interaction. From them as hyperuniverses they projected a hologram-like interface, which is the pluriform universe we creatures inhabit. The two sources were to intermingle equally in maintaining our universe, but Form II continued to languish toward illness, madness and disorder. These aspects she projected into our universe.

It was the One's purpose for our hologramatic universe to serve as a teaching instrument by which a variety of new lives advanced until ultimately they would be isomorphic with the One. However, the decaying condition of hyperuniverse II introduced malfactors which damaged our hologramatic universe. This is the origin of entropy, undeserved suffering, chaos and death, as well as the Empire, the Black Iron Prison; in essence, the aborting of the proper health and growth of the life forms within the hologramatic universe. Also, the teaching function was grossly impaired, since only the signal from the hyperuniverse I was information-rich; that form II had become noise.

The psyche of hyperuniverse I sent a micro-form of itself into hyperuniverse II to attempt to heal it. The micro-form was apparent in our hologramatic universe as Jesus Christ. However, hyperuniverse II, being deranged, at once tormented, humiliated, rejected and finally killed the micro-form of the healing psyche of her healthy twin. After that, hyperuniverse II continued to decay into blind, mechanical, purposeless causal processes. It then became the task of Christ (more properly the Holy Spirit) to either rescue the life forms in the hologramatic universe, or abolish all influences on it emanating from II. Approaching its task with caution, it prepared to kill the deranged twin, since she cannot be healed; i.e. she will not allow herself to be healed because she does not not understand that she is sick. This illness and madness pervades us and makes us idiots living in private, unreal worlds. The original plan of the One can only be realized now by the division of hyperuniverse I into two healthy hyperuniverses, which will transform the hologramatic universe into the successfull teaching machine it was designed to be. We will experience this as the 'Kingdom of God.'

Within time, hyperuniverse II remains alive: 'The Empire never ended.' But in eternity, where the hyperuniverses exist, she has been killed -- of necessity -- by the healthy twin of hyperuniverse I, who is our champion. The One grieves for this death, since the One loved both twins; therefore the information of the Mind consists of a tragic tale of the death of a woman, the undertones of which generate anguish into all the creatures of the hologrammatic universe without their knowing why. This grief will depart when the healthy twin undergoes mitosis and the 'Kingdom of God' arrives. The machinery for this transformation -- the procession within time from the Age of Iron to the Age of Gold -- is at work now; in eternity it is already accomplished. "

Why would you wish for him to be accountable for what you call 'his arrogance'. He is understandably pissed off with all the absurdity of this world that is passed as normality, and he is trying to be intellectually honest.
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HardTruth, by the way, what Philip K. Dick thought to me resembles a bit the ideas from "The Book of Baruch" by Justin.
[link to books.google.co.uk]

Thanks for the link!!

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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

^^^ HardTruth, so, how do you think those two compare, P. K. Dick's idea and the jewish/gnostic one?

that's easy: another planet! :cool2:

This is but a grain of sand in a universal desert of confusion. Even this grain of sand is still riddled with errors and presumption, but a tiny element of truth remains.

If you put God in a box, then you can view God, control God, talk about God with other people's boxed God, argue, agree, then put him back in the box when you are finished for the day.

Maybe try letting God out of the box, and suddenly everything changes. The one thing we do as humans is talk, talk, talk...but if only we were quiet. Other humans do not want quiet and fill life and the world with noise, distraction and words. Noone just sits and listens anymore.....including me.

A little video to show how we may be limited in our spiritual concept and our limited view of life by words and how making God so small can be seen in this simple video :) I hope someone understands the point I'm trying to make.