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Yes, Reincarnation is how it works on Earth!!

 
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From the gospel according to Thomas...
(not in the bible)

If a blind person leads a blind person both will fall into a hole.

That's about as simple as it gets.

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Hi there,

The notion of following the blind, blindly is a very wise reminder. Thank you for that.

Parable regarding the blind leading the blind. The following is also from the book of Thomas and it seemed to state that the 'religionist' and even the 'scienticians' may not really understand (or for other (self serving it seemed) reasons):


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Jesus said, "The Pharisees and the scholars have taken the keys of knowledge and have hidden them. They have not entered nor have they allowed those who want to enter to do so. ...
"

- Gospel of Thomas




The unique premise regarding the book of Thomas felt like the following (and probably why it was also labeled as 'heretical' as well) is that:

"
What is the basic perspective of the Gospel of Thomas?

It is that the Kingdom of God is spread out upon the earth now, if people can just come to see it; and that there is divine light within all people, a light that can enable them to see the Kingdom of God upon the earth. Further, the perspective of Thomas is that the Image of God in the beginning (Genesis chapter One) still exists and people can assume that identity, an identity that is neither male nor female. The image of God is differentiated from the fallen Adam of Genesis chapter Two. The Gospel of Thomas advocates that people should restore their identities as the image of God now, and see the Kingdom of God on earth now. ...


Jesus teaches, in the Gospel of Thomas, that people have the potential to be as he is, to be a child of God. ...
"

- [link to users.misericordia.edu]


Thank you for the opportunity and for pointing out the wisdom.




...the answers, but some unbiased research from many sources can take you a long way...


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Hello,

It feels that unbiased, to see things in a new light, is an internal, personal, condition. But when overcome, it may allow for greater possibilities it feels.



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If going to heaven is as easy as what a Christer said then heaven would be no longer called heaven. It's called hell. Can you imagine the "qualities" of its inhabitants who are exactly the same as the Christians you see living right now on earth. The God there must go crazy dealing with this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 994162


Heaven, as the christians call it, is an astral zone, a band if you like around this planet...

According to observations made by people involved with intentional out of body experiences, there are many belief system territories around this planet...In fact, every paradigm of belief that has ever been indoctrinated on this planet is represented there...

The residents are very intent they have found what was promised, indoctrinated as to what to expect, and they freely give their energy to hold it's form...

But, for explorers who are not bound by these belief's, they travel beyond these territories and explore the galaxy, going anywhere in the blink of an eye, by shear will...

Reincarnation can occur, anywhere in the galaxy...No one tells you where and what you can and cannot experience...However there are those who would like you to believe you are bound by their doctrine, and they are very clever at trying to make it so...

In the case of Earth, they have been very effective, due to the genetic manipulation of Earther's...A destruction of the original 12 strand DNA, down to two, with so-called junk DNA in your system has greatly diminished "spiritual" awareness, making the residents highly susceptible to outside influence...

Scriptures and the many churches re-enforce the idea, that there is only one god, and only one son of god, and that man on this planet is fallen...This is an alien concept, put in place on this planet to control the population...

Fallen! Give me a break! The only fall that occurred is when they mutated the body...True hell, is not recognizing who you are, and bound by false doctrine...A paradigm that carry's on long after the short existence of the body... PURE HELL...
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So all you reincarnation freaks.

In 1810 there were about 1 billion people on the earth.

Where did the additional 6 billion souls come from in the last 200 years ?

After all the nuclear plants blow up and the poles shift, and
a 600 foot tidal wave engulfs the world and 6.5 billion people die, where will those souls go ??
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You do realize there are other planets in the universe? You also realize that 'on the other side', time is not linear, so you could die in this life and reincarnate as Julius Ceasar or Shakespeare?
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Close. But ponder this: We are all the same person. Every single one of us is the same soul. When we "die" we go back and become someone else. But time is not a factor and we are all the same person at the same time experiencing a different perspective on the universe.

I will be/have been you. And you have been/will be me.

When all possible perspectives have been gained "we", me, you, I, er whatever, get to "graduate" and become a "god".

How about that?
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for the record, someone mentioned that Japanese are Buddhist, but most Japanese are Shinto.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

and then

most of you are here the first time, otherwise you wouldn't discuss about the subject of reincarnation. There are very very few who do reincarnate here. If there would be a lot of them, our world would look very different!

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Reincarnation is a dumb idea imo
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What difference does it make if you live again here or in heaven or in another realm. I know people who have had a good life very few problems, and others a very hard life. John the Baptist was here before, Yahoshua said so. John did not know, but Yahoshua knew. John says that Yahoshua was before him, John was older than Yahoshua. So explain why you think it is a dumb idea?

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Reincarnation is a dumb idea imo
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What difference does it make if you live again here or in heaven or in another realm. I know people who have had a good life very few problems, and others a very hard life. John the Baptist was here before, Yahoshua said so. John did not know, but Yahoshua knew. John says that Yahoshua was before him, John was older than Yahoshua. So explain why you think it is a dumb idea?
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Yep, John didn't know he used to be Elijah, something or someone stole or erased his memories!!

So what's the big secret in heaven so as to have memories of it taken or suppressed?

Could it be that EVERYONE gets there?

Or that its not really heaven, and there are no gods or angels per say?

Something is putting forth great effort to keep it all secret!!


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Reincarnation Proof of True Story Caught on Camera That Shocks The World

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Yeah if it's on you tube, it has to be real????? because they were all done by man. Great proof, hahahaha
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Yeah if it's on you tube, it has to be real????? because they were all done by man. Great proof, hahahaha
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If you don't believe in your bible, nor proof from other sources, I guess you will just have to wait and see!!

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If going to heaven is as easy as what a Christer said then heaven would be no longer called heaven. It's called hell. Can you imagine the "qualities" of its inhabitants who are exactly the same as the Christians you see living right now on earth. The God there must go crazy dealing with this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 994162


Heaven, as the christians call it, is an astral zone, a band if you like around this planet...

According to observations made by people involved with intentional out of body experiences, there are many belief system territories around this planet...In fact, every paradigm of belief that has ever been indoctrinated on this planet is represented there...

The residents are very intent they have found what was promised, indoctrinated as to what to expect, and they freely give their energy to hold it's form...

But, for explorers who are not bound by these belief's, they travel beyond these territories and explore the galaxy, going anywhere in the blink of an eye, by shear will...

Reincarnation can occur, anywhere in the galaxy...No one tells you where and what you can and cannot experience...However there are those who would like you to believe you are bound by their doctrine, and they are very clever at trying to make it so...

In the case of Earth, they have been very effective, due to the genetic manipulation of Earther's...A destruction of the original 12 strand DNA, down to two, with so-called junk DNA in your system has greatly diminished "spiritual" awareness, making the residents highly susceptible to outside influence...

Scriptures and the many churches re-enforce the idea, that there is only one god, and only one son of god, and that man on this planet is fallen...This is an alien concept, put in place on this planet to control the population...

Fallen! Give me a break! The only fall that occurred is when they mutated the body...True hell, is not recognizing who you are, and bound by false doctrine...A paradigm that carry's on long after the short existence of the body... PURE HELL...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1294744


You are so right. It's almost impossible to break the chain of thoughts that Christians are taught to believe. They are already brainwashed when they were children. On top of that, most of them graduating from high schools with very poor knowledge of what was being taught in the whole 12 years. Grown up with sheepish parents and indoctrinated by cunning priests and pastors on a daily basis, they would be like their parents one generation after another. This process is a cycle or reincarnation itself. But there is one thing that always attracts people to Christinity: a speedpass to heaven without doing much work.
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If going to heaven is as easy as what a Christer said then heaven would be no longer called heaven. It's called hell. Can you imagine the "qualities" of its inhabitants who are exactly the same as the Christians you see living right now on earth. The God there must go crazy dealing with this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 994162


Heaven, as the christians call it, is an astral zone, a band if you like around this planet...

According to observations made by people involved with intentional out of body experiences, there are many belief system territories around this planet...In fact, every paradigm of belief that has ever been indoctrinated on this planet is represented there...

The residents are very intent they have found what was promised, indoctrinated as to what to expect, and they freely give their energy to hold it's form...

But, for explorers who are not bound by these belief's, they travel beyond these territories and explore the galaxy, going anywhere in the blink of an eye, by shear will...

Reincarnation can occur, anywhere in the galaxy...No one tells you where and what you can and cannot experience...However there are those who would like you to believe you are bound by their doctrine, and they are very clever at trying to make it so...

In the case of Earth, they have been very effective, due to the genetic manipulation of Earther's...A destruction of the original 12 strand DNA, down to two, with so-called junk DNA in your system has greatly diminished "spiritual" awareness, making the residents highly susceptible to outside influence...

Scriptures and the many churches re-enforce the idea, that there is only one god, and only one son of god, and that man on this planet is fallen...This is an alien concept, put in place on this planet to control the population...

Fallen! Give me a break! The only fall that occurred is when they mutated the body...True hell, is not recognizing who you are, and bound by false doctrine...A paradigm that carry's on long after the short existence of the body... PURE HELL...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1294744


You are so right. It's almost impossible to break the chain of thoughts that Christians are taught to believe. They are already brainwashed when they were children. On top of that, most of them graduating from high schools with very poor knowledge of what was being taught in the whole 12 years. Grown up with sheepish parents and indoctrinated by cunning priests and pastors on a daily basis, they would be like their parents one generation after another. This process is a cycle or reincarnation itself. But there is one thing that always attracts people to Christinity: a speedpass to heaven without doing much work.
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Yep, that about sums it up, forget reap what you sow, or the cosmic mechanics of karma!!

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H.T.

Enjoying the read


NAU James 5:20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.
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H.T.

Enjoying the read


NAU James 5:20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.
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Hey thanks!!

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Infinity: The Ultimate Trip.. Journey Beyond Death (2009)

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Hi HT,

I really have come to admire JFK, JRK, MLK, and Gandhi, especially compared to what life has seemed to evolved into.

The first two, along with Nikita Kruschev seemed to have big plans in motion at the time to steer the world in another direction, but the usual thing became to those kinds of peacemakers, and all the dysfunction of security and spending is what seemed to have prevailed.

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Oh reincarnation.. if what you say is true, what would be the reasons?

I read that the biggest impact occurred during one of the Council of Nicea meetings in the early 4th century if my memory is right.

Some of the reasons stated were that it was considered if people still believed in reincarnation, they may not try to be so 'righteous' (as the church leaders defined it though) and maybe not be so pious if they saw life as a game reset kind of way, I think.

Anyway, it seemed to involve Holy Roman Empire (roman and holy?) emperor guy Constantine (who it seemed was fond of making examples out of Christians) and a prevailing interpretation of Christ and his relationship with God was a result from a schism of differing between an Alexandrian based and some other.

They seemed to have come to some consensus though that seemed pivotal to the subject of your thread. If true, it may have shaped people's beliefs into just a crude, physical thing (minds in a meatsuit - or evolutionary accidents).
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Reincarnation is so obvious. People think this universe just victimizes them from birth "randomly" and so they are forever victims in their own minds for that lifetime, forgetting the evils they did to earn that victimization, and they blame their oppressors as if they haven't had interactions with them before on the opposite side of things.
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Anytime the idea of reincarnation comes up the following quote usually came to mind:

"No saint is without a past and no sinner without a future."
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The Biblical passages quoted by OP are taken out of context. God knows each of before we were born as he is outside the constraints of our time domain. The Bible states that a day with God is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day. Jesus, being God in human flesh, also stated "Before Abraham was, I AM" -- again, outside of our time domain.

For reincarnation to be possible, the population of the earth would have to remain at a constant (one-to-one ratio of those living at any given time). Instead, we know that there are more people living now than have ever died, reflecting exponential growth and thus no possible basis for reincarnation.

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The Biblical passages quoted by OP are taken out of context. God knows each of before we were born as he is outside the constraints of our time domain. The Bible states that a day with God is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day. Jesus, being God in human flesh, also stated "Before Abraham was, I AM" -- again, outside of our time domain.

For reincarnation to be possible, the population of the earth would have to remain at a constant (one-to-one ratio of those living at any given time). Instead, we know that there are more people living now than have ever died, reflecting exponential growth and thus no possible basis for reincarnation.


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Nothing was taken out of context!!


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The Biblical passages quoted by OP are taken out of context. God knows each of before we were born as he is outside the constraints of our time domain. The Bible states that a day with God is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day. Jesus, being God in human flesh, also stated "Before Abraham was, I AM" -- again, outside of our time domain.

For reincarnation to be possible, the population of the earth would have to remain at a constant (one-to-one ratio of those living at any given time). Instead, we know that there are more people living now than have ever died, reflecting exponential growth and thus no possible basis for reincarnation.


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Oh my, reincarnation could be from one kind of animal on this planet to another kind (humans included) or could be from one planet to another. Have you ever thought where were all those "extinct" species go?
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There are trillion entities out there that do possess supernatural powers. If ONE of them happens to help you out, you immediately exclaim THANK GOD. By the same token, if ONE of them tries to harm you, you immediately cry EVIL. This is very limited and close-minded perception of Christians. This reflects the average knowledge of Americans (since the majority of American are Christians) where they know nothing about other cultures, countries, religions and world geography.
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The Biblical passages quoted by OP are taken out of context. God knows each of before we were born as he is outside the constraints of our time domain. The Bible states that a day with God is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day. Jesus, being God in human flesh, also stated "Before Abraham was, I AM" -- again, outside of our time domain.

For reincarnation to be possible, the population of the earth would have to remain at a constant (one-to-one ratio of those living at any given time). Instead, we know that there are more people living now than have ever died, reflecting exponential growth and thus no possible basis for reincarnation.


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There you have to thank your alien masters for the population on this planet - currently about 70% minion...

An independent Higher Self animates bodies for specific purposes and goals that must be achieved...In the case of Earth, the alien overlords have tweaked the body, giving it an almost overwhelming desire to breed...

The purposes for this are "spiritual" in nature...There are only X number of independent Higher Self's, animating bodies on this planet...When more bodies are being produced then needed by INDEPENDENT HIGHER SELFS, the default animating force is the "Planetary Spirit", they are termed minions...

A minion is easily led, being from the Planetary Spirit, they act in wave and group patterns and are heavily body i.d. orientated...As long as they are fed, given plenty of body i.d. entertainment (sports), they will follow the wave, group, as it is in the animal kingdom...Spiritual matters, they could care less, other then to mimic someone..

The planetary leaders, or I should say - the alien overlords, could not gotten as far as they have in bringing this planet under their control without the majority of this planet being minion...

Even so, this planet is a special planet and the home of unique path Higher Self's - We will not be derailed by the minions or alien overlords...Graduation is in motion, events have and are occurring in rapid fashion...This is how a unique planet goes out - not peacefully, but with a bang!!!
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Reincarnation is so obvious. People think this universe just victimizes them from birth "randomly" and so they are forever victims in their own minds for that lifetime, forgetting the evils they did to earn that victimization, and they blame their oppressors as if they haven't had interactions with them before on the opposite side of things.
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Reincarnation is how the vast majority of hu-mans experience in this galaxy...

The galaxy itself has been created as an experiential learning ground - It is not possible to gain enough experiences in one life time, even if that life time is 10,000 years...

But Earth, is unique in this galaxy - The Independent Higher Self's operating here DO NOT reincarnate - They "simultaneous" incarnate...Many incarnations occurring simultaneously in many different cultures, different time periods, both lightsider and darksider...The entire gammit of experiences, all flowing simultaneously into the Higher Self...

These simultaneous path Higher Self's are on a graduation path, and very far in advance of the rest of the galaxy...Incarnating one at a time is a slow and stagnating progress - Even though the lifetimes may be longer, the internal processing is at a snails pace, with very change...

Much of the nonsense you see on this planet, is actually a spiritual battle...A battle between "simultaneous" and 'sequential'...The nature of this planet has been a variety of DIFFERENT cultures, races, customs, etc., ideal for the "simultaneous" to gain a huge variety of different experiences on one planet...

The sequential, one at a time incarnations are a hive mind, planetary hierarchy mentality...They seek to do away with the simultaneous nature of this planet, and turn it into a one world order with every one about equal, and them at the top...The U.S.A. was formed for this reason, a country that encouraged immigration from all cultures on the planet...

Come find your fame and fortune in the land of milk and honey was their rallying cry - That was a ruse - What they really wanted is for all cultures to mix, mingle, and breed, destroying the pure bred nature of a culture...Taking away the ability of the "simultaneous" to have VASTLY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES...

All countries in the world are engaged in this process of destroying unique cultures and blending them together...World wars were also implemented to speed along the process of putting a one world order in place...

But, it is now blowing up in their face - The "simultaneous" are moving on, and so is the 'Planetary Higher Self'...The energies are being withdrawn from this planet and it is going out with a bang, leaving the sequential's with nothing...

A SPIRITUAL LESSON THEY DESERVE!!!!!!
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Hey Raist,



That response can be seen as a bit 'snarky' but certainly not 'antagonizing' though. I think that's like keeping it on the good road, or something like that.

That's the HT i came to admire.

You must feel tired at how the attention of the thread gets pulled into the usual 'debating' dialogue. Would it be fair to say one can get tired of the bs part, and get some progress learnin/discussion on? I can certainly relate though.

I feel that lots of people with inner questions likes to compare notes with alot of your ideas so thank you.
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Are any of you all familure with the cocept of indra's net?
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what would know? so you were dead ?what were you before you were dead,,a parrot?
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Hey Raist,



That response can be seen as a bit 'snarky' but certainly not 'antagonizing' though. I think that's like keeping it on the good road, or something like that.

That's the HT i came to admire.

You must feel tired at how the attention of the thread gets pulled into the usual 'debating' dialogue. Would it be fair to say one can get tired of the bs part, and get some progress learnin/discussion on? I can certainly relate though.

I feel that lots of people with inner questions likes to compare notes with alot of your ideas so thank you.
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Hey G.

Yep, I do prefer the wisdom of an open minded discussion, and the Constantinean forked tongues of ignorance be on hold!!

We don't always get what we want, and thanks!!


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LOL, yep, that glitch is from a GLP overdose!!

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