2011/2012 - The End of the Great Mayan Cycle

I have some questions for you KeepingItReal if you don't mind. I would like to know more about your side of the story.

What date is it today according to Mayan Calendar?

Also what do you think about the 7 prophecies and the knowledge in the recovered codices? Are the prophecies fake?

Do you believe that the Mayans gods were actually beings from the heavens, or elected Mayans officials or were they invented?

Do you believe in the evolution of consciousness?

No. This is not my personal view. It is the same thing as if someone posted that 2 plus 2 is 211, and someone replies saying that this is wrong and that 2 plus 2 actually equals 4 and gives precise explanations of how that answer is arrived at. It isn't my opinion. It is fact. Forget the end date happened. Just based on the mathematics of the calendar, there is only one year every 52 years where the date in question can happen, and if it didn't happen in 1988, it can't until 2040.
It's not opinion or personal view. It's simple mathematics coupled with an understanding of Mayan culture and language.


Good. Scepticism is good. I don't expect anyone to believe on my say so, which is why I provide information that allows anyone to work it out mathematically for themselves. The dates used by Calleman do not obey the solar cycle. This is obvious because a date clearly written as 3 Kankin can only occur in April, never in October or in December. Just like the 4th of July can never happen in November.

And yes, as a native to this continent I take it personally. My people were invaded, colonized and our culture was taken away. In recent years, non indians have usurped bits and pieces of our culture, transformed it into completely irrelevant and meaningless drivel so it is not even recognizable and sold it for profit and gain, claiming it is our ancient knowledge. So yes, maybe I do take it personally when everywhere I look people that don't even know the languages defile our traditions and claim to be experts.


Well, you can also tell him that the main error is actually in how he has dealt with the leap year. This is the main reason his correlation is off. If he cares to know more, you can tell him the answer is in the mounds at the four corners of every ancient community in the Yucatan.

The date today, March 4th is 13 Men 3 Ceh. The year is 12 Ben.

I would say those prophecies are fake. Nothing in them obeys the riddles.

I do not believe the gods were aliens. They were not officials and they were not really invented. Everything you can imagine in the earth reality is what it is because it is energetically similar to a chulel. A tree is a tree because of its chulel. I think the best way to understand the concept is to read what Castaneda said about the mold of man. Most indigenous people did not have gods as it is understood in modern times by people formed by organized religion.

I do believe in the evolution of consciousness, but it is an individual thing. Once an individual reaches a new stage in growth, it is possible for him to join others and do amazing things together, but ultimately it is an individual quest.

Last Edited by KeepingItReal on 03/04/2011 10:21 AM

A few more questions:

Why did they offer sacrifices at one time?

How did they build the temples and pyramids? Manpower and simple tools, or did they have advanced technology?

How did they get their astrological knowledge? Pure observation, or the use of certain "drugs" to expand their perception, or was it given to them?

Were they in physical contact with their gods if you say they were not invented?

Are the modern calendars (13 Moons/Dreamspell, Tzolkin) inaccurate?

I also suppose you are saying that the Mayans did not have a calendar that tracked the evolution of consciousness. What and how many calendars did the Mayans actually have?

By the way, excuse me if I sounded prejudice in the beginning, but we all know the kind of people that end up on this forum. I would never expect an authentic Mayan to be present in this forum, which is why I was even more skeptical of your claims.

Last Edited by bornofmaya on 03/04/2011 10:40 AM

This is a long story. It didn't start out that way. In very ancient times there was no such thing as a sacrifice victim. Only warriors competed in rituals that tested their skills, the winners obtained more supernatural powers and the losers died, not because anyone tore their hearts out, but because the nature of the game meant that the way to lose was to end up dead. Newer tribes and rulers didn't understand the iconography and interpreted it wrong. It's what might happen if somebody rediscovered Christianity after a period of decline and misinterpreted the religious iconography. They could take literally the eating of Christ's body and drinking of his blood. They may start nailing people to crosses.



Is it so hard to believe that they were built the old fashioned way by clever and hardworking native peoples? Why does everyone think that the gods or aliens must have assisted?



The Mayas didn't invent this. It was ancient knowledge when they returned to Chichen Itza in 430 AD, and dates back to long before the Itzas. Nobody knows who invented it or where, but it definitely had to be developed in the tropics between 15 and 21 north latitude. Why do you think they needed drugs to observe the heavens?


The question is erroneous. Of course they were in physical contact with their "gods", but "gods" doesn't mean what you think it does. Everything is spirit. There are no gods as you understand the word.


I am not familiar with these. Just the name 13 moons tells me that this one is not anything authentically Mayan or from Central Mexico.



Yes, I am saying that they didn't have a calendar that tracks the evolution of consciousness. How can you track something that is individual and personal? The Mayans had just one calendar, made up of many different cycles that ran simultaneously. It is just a device for counting the passing of days and for predicting seasons, astronomical events and cycles and agricultural seasons.

No problem. I actually like it when people use some healthy scepticism. I am not authentic mayan, just authentic native with Mayan ex wife, kids and lots of friends. I was very interested in the Mayan calendar/2012 in the 70s and I went and learned in the places where it was used in ancient times, I observed, I measured, I wrote out the cycles (before computers) I learned from men and women in the communities, and I realized the new age/Thompson and Morley 2012 doom date was bullshit. The truth is so much more simple, practical and beautiful, just like the people that perfected the calendar. It is only complex when the unquiet western mind tries to interpret it.

you rock OP!!

I'd say KeepingItReal is being true to his name. I am curious though what your perspective is on the speculation around the brown dwarf star / binary star debate. If the Mayan calendar accounts for astronomical cycles, is this even part of what was being tracked? I am sensing the Mayan calendar from your perspective has been exaggerated beyond what it ever really was by Western interpretations. Your perspective is certainly refreshing to hear, but leaves questions unanswered from a Planet X/Nibiru angle.

Planet X and Niburu are hoaxes. Planet X was first coined back in the day when a hypothetical 10th planet was being tossed around. Hence the X, roman numeral for the number 10.

Niburu comes from the works of Sitchen from bad translations and interpretations that serious scholars have torn apart with evidence time and time again.

But a good portion of humanity needs to believe in some miracle that will make the world a better place, and if it involves doom that will cleanse and purge the earth of the bad ones, so much better. This creates a fertile environment for charlatans, gurus and cults and is a multi billion dollar industry.

Too bad humans don't just accept the world they are in and change their world by doing something small and positive in their own day to day world. Do you think the Egyptians would have deposed their dictator by sitting on their computer swallowing the latest bullshit and believing in a miracle? No. The only way to change the world and raise your own consciousness is by following your own path and working very hard. No saviour is coming to wipe our asses and cleanse us.

Well put.

Rule # 1 and Rule 11 in my signature are rules people really need to follow more often.

What kind of supernatural powers are you talking about?

I do believe the natives did construct their temples and pyramids, but when I look at the Egyptian pyramids, its amazing how incredible they have been constructed. Must have taken many many years.

I also agree that their "gods" were in spirit. What about the drawings of the supposed gods. Are they just representations of the spirits or are they fake drawings? What about the plumed serpent designs?

The Dreamspell calendar is actually a modern invented calendar which has nothing to do with the ancient Mayans. I'm not sure about the story of the Tzolkin calendar though.

I know that we are all on our personal paths of evolution, but I also believe that there is a collective growth of consciousness based.

One last question. Why haven't I (or anybody else) heard about this April 12 1988 date before? If it is the truth and so important in regards the reputation of the Mayans, then why hasn't this been clarified to put the 2012 theories to rest once and for all?

Last Edited by bornofmaya on 03/06/2011 06:54 AM

What signature?

*YAWN* those of us who have been around a little longer than most on this thing (possibly TOO long) have seen and heard all of this before. In the 1970s they ("they" being the seers and clairvoyants etc etc) screeched that the world was DEFINITELY going to turn on its axis and the poles shift in 1999. Of course, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAPPENED. Were these clairvoyants jailed or strung up or stoned to death (like they were in the old days). No. So the screeching continues. Fast forward another 40 years (and more screeching). Oh We've got another date we can fixate on and mentally masturbate about! Guess what. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is going to happen. (No surprise there) The elite banksters, resource barrons, arms manufacturers and legalized pharma drug lords will continue to rule this planet with an iron fist, rape it of all its natural resources, medicate us all to our eyeballs and then we shall ALL END "not with a bang but a whimper" (T.S Eliot - Now THERE"S a man who knew human nature..)

The tzolkin is just the most basic cycle that names the days. It is made up of 260 days, the combination of a day symbol and the numbers 1 to 13.

The depictions of gods are just personifications of characteristics of different forces of nature. They are drawn as gods, they are descriptive. Words are not just words. They belong to groups of words and concepts which mean a short word like Kan embodies more than the literal meaning. Kan can mean many different things, depending on how it is pronounced and the context. It means serpent, it means old, it means yellow, which connects it with the south, it also means sky.

There are several reasons why nobody heard of that date before.

1. The Mayan Calendar is a device for counting the passing of days and cycles. It is not that relevant outside the tropics. The farther you get from the tropics, the less useful it is to mark seasons and locate planets in the sky.

2. Even in the land where the calendar was perfected, almost nobody uses it or knows about it. That is because it was punished and tortured out of existence by the colonizers. That said, there are still local festivals that are remnants of the calendar, Christianized but still observed.

3. Thompson and Morley came up with the 2012 correlation and nobody has challenged it.

4. The men and women that do know about it are not the kind to cast pearls before swine. They laugh in disgust at non natives that imbue the ancient knowledge with lies, deception and invented doom in the name of their ancestors. They curse those that twist it and sell it for profit and ego masturbation. They have managed to keep certain relics and writings safe since they abandoned their cities in 1460 - 1480 up until this day, and the only way to do this is by exercising extreme discretion and secrecy.

Red Rhythmic Dragon
Sat Dec 15, 2012

I Organize in order to Nurture
Balancing Being
I seal the Input of Birth
With the Rhythmic tone of Equality
I am guided by my own power doubled

Our Central Sun will also complete a 13 circle stage much larger than ours 26.000 years
Sirius... has a round Age of Constelations much biger ... Millions of Years...
Thats the really meaning of the center of the Mayan disk!!! or Aztec truly!

the event we gonna live is compared to a BIG BANG
in terms of energy
and theres one week left !!!

get ready this week
fist, eat green, drink water, meditate, connect to the Light arriving
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till the 21st Of December we are at Day 7
The last stage of the 9th Universal Wave in and of Conscience!
Out of Time... Still
at the 7th top floor of the Cosmic Pyramid...

Inside this wave... there are stages and Star gates
where we experience great amounts of time,
in just v few Time lap`s !!!

The Cube of the Law will be shown
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