Boeing Wins $35bn Chemtrail Tanker Deal!

WTF does that have to do with chemtrails

very misleading thread title Duffus

you are joking, right?



Last Edited by force quit on 02/24/2011 08:35 PM

Boeing and Northrop Grumman have been fighting that one for years. Northrop actually won the bid at one point and the senators from the states where Boeing has a presence forced a rebid on it and now Boeing ends up with it.

Un-freaking-believable.

What a load of tripe, post some pictures or evidance

That is not the type of jet being used here to chemtrail...

[link to www.unitedstatestanker.com]

This is so full of patriotism it smells horrible.

Apparently the official reason to choose the KC-767 over the A330 MRTT was because the A330 is "too large".
The Australian airforce on the other hand preferred the A330 because of its larger capacity in both fuel and cargo.

Last Edited by Virga on 02/24/2011 08:11 PM

i think you should have woken up a little earlier, n00b

do your homework properly

and just FYI: these planes are GOING to be used...

Are you going to back up your claims or what?
Show proof this has anything to do with the spraying of chemtrails.

This is a true statement. After several years of our government fighting for Boeing, it's not surprising Boeing has the contract even though they do not have a prototype which works. Northrop Grumman's prototype does. Go figure.

Our government at work...Free enterprise is dead in America.

i don't need to proof anything

you lazy n00b conspiracists have no clue AT all what's going on these days...

like i mentioned before

i'm not going to help you show how to wipe your ass...

i provide information: USE IT (your brain)

stop expecting everything to be fed into your sheeple brain

Last Edited by force quit on 02/24/2011 08:15 PM

BTW a lot of the engineering was done in Moscow, sweet huh?

Oh dear, are you removing replies containing things you don't like to hear? That is really pathetic.



Last Edited by Virga on 02/24/2011 09:29 PM

dude

i'm a pilot

you don't need to tell me how planes work

what's your spiel?

are you interested in chemtrails or not?

if not, I REALLY WONDER what you're doing here

i've been on the topic since a good 13 years now
and a lot of people here too

so, we don't need to learn about chemtrailing debunking 101 if that's what you're after

besides
if you are so eager to let people know that it's all bullshit
why don't you go start your own threads on it

oh wait
you don't

coz you have never started a single thread on this forum

hmmm, I wonder why

maybe it's not on your payroll...

this guy sucks balls....You gotta be stupid to make a statement like that on GLP....where's your facts bitch??? and I mean "VIRGA"

Sorry sweatheart, I see right through your bluff.
You see, I am an airline pilot myself, type rated on both the Fokker 100/70 and on the Airbus A320 family.
There is absolutely no way you are a pilot (not even PPL) because you would have known the KC-10 video you posted is just a joke.

If you are a pilot, you can easily answer a question like this:

1) When on final approach you suddenly see your speed increasing with 40 kts. What is likely the cause and the correct course of action to take?

2) You fly from London to Berlin at FL400. Is this legal?
Explain your answer. Also, what rule makes flight at this level possible?

By answering these simple questions you can prove you are a pilot. If you don't answer them, well, then we will see you as just another person who pretends to be what he is not. (Google is of no use in answering these)

Why I don't start my own threads? Simple, it is not my mission to prove chemtrails do not exist. I merely reply on the claims made by believers to help them sort out this myth.

Last Edited by Virga on 02/24/2011 11:27 PM

*

Last Edited by Virga on 02/24/2011 11:04 PM

oh man

1) since you changed the original question from 25kts to 40kts I assume you are talking about a microburst. other than that i would assume a bad weather with headwind but thats pretty unlikely with 40kts. and it all depends how far you are from touchdown.. so in the micro burst case you accelerate and aboard the landing


2) thats a bit high for London - Berlin flight but since only intervals of 4000ft above FL290 are allowed for eastbound flights you'd only get to fly that in special circumstances provided by your ATC... if you are talking about IFR flights, which I guess you do....

happy now

can we move on?

pity that most of my fellow pilots fail to even see the the whole chemtrail phenomena.

do your self a favor, instead of feverishly trying to conform your so called "believers" why don't you take a fresh approach by trying to find out if there "might" be a tiny possibility of the phenomena ...

i know it's hard...


and just for the 1000000th time: THIS INFORMATION IS FOR PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHATS GOING ON

NO NEED TO PROVE ANYTHING!!!!

who are you? the scientific representative for the council of sheeps?

Last Edited by force quit on 02/25/2011 11:40 AM

You noticed the change from 25kts ot 40kts yet you took so long to answer these extremely simple questions? One may wonder why.

The first answer is correct although I hoped you would provide an in-depth explanation on why the course of action is necessary. When encountering a micro burst the first thing you will notice is the sudden increase in headwind. A normal reaction is to reduce power to keep the airspeed constant. But at the other end of the microburst you will encouter a similar tailwind which can stall your aircraft and lead to a crash. This is why a missed approach must be initiated in this situation.

The second answer is incorrect. The airspace structure you mention does not exist in Europe because RVSM (Reduced Vertical Separation Minima) was introduced thanks to technological advancement. So above FL290 the separation between 2 flightlevels is still 1000 feet.
It is also not that high, I have flown at similar altitudes (although the Fokker 100 has a lower ceiling) on shorter routes.

So the correct answers:
- No it is not legal because even flightlevels are reserved for westbound traffic. It can be used with descretion of ATC
- RVSM makes possible that FL400 can be used at all.


If you were a commercial pilot in Europe you would have known about rvsm, aerodynamic contrails and flaptrack fairings.

So you either are a fake with maybe a PPL or you are just trolling.

If you have read my posts you would have known that I never said that a worldwide spraying operation is impossible, I just say it is highly unlikely and see that so far no proof of it has been delivered.

Last Edited by Virga on 02/26/2011 01:30 PM

Let's assume these tankers are for ferrying fuel to military aircraft in Middle Eastern occupation zones rich in oil and gas.

-What is the average rate of fuel consumption of the various tactical and strategic aircraft? Is it close to 1gal/sec?

-What is the fuel consumption of the tankers? 1 gal/sec?

-What if the cost of fuel rises to $5/gal and goes up with the depletion of the resource?

Doesn't the overall cost of occupation and securing of oil resources start to exceed the benefit of occupying at some point? We burn up the fuel we are trying to secure.

1 gal/ sec = 60 gal/ min. = 600 gal/ ten min.

Calculate this out by the number of aircraft X flight duration X price per gallon. No wonder they don't advertise the cost of military adventurism.

Right pilots?

Good point-
But...
The concept that the US military is tasked with secureing petrol for the benefit of the US consumer is actually incorrect.
Not in the sense that they have another more vital mission but in the sense that the controllers of the military really don't care about the US consumer.
Iraq would still sell oil.Afghanistan oil and gas pipelines would still provide oil and gas regardless of it being Bridas pipelines or Shell. Iranian oil and gas would still get to market.The product would still get to the US consumer.
What would change is the level of profit of certain large corporations.
When you look at the picture with that slant it makes a bit more sense.It also explains why guys like Bush increased the US Strategic Petrol Reserve at times of very high prices.

Regarding Chemtrails---
I am an airline pilot.Been flying heavy jets for almost 2 decades now. Never saw a "chemtrail".

Gallons kilos-just numbers--I know I have burned over 100 000 kilos of gas on 1 flight going to Australia.About the same coming back.
Huge amounts of exhaust and hot gases into the atmosphere at 35000 feet.Thats alot of shit in the air when you multiply out all the airplanes flying in any given day.

But again-your point re military adventurism. They tax you to pay for the war machine that guarantees profit for a select few. Talk about corporate welfare...

Yes, and we silly Americans actually borrow the money to pay for the whole thing!

Good luck to anyone who hopes to get paid back!
It's like loaning money to the Third Reich.

It hurts my head to try to imagine the total amount of fuel burned by fleets of ships, armies of tanks and trucks, jet planes flying and being refueled...(which is ten times more expensive).

And the cost / gallon goes up with the scarcity of the good!

It's like what Einstein said about trying to reach the speed of light; mass increases the closer it accelerates to C.

not exactly..There are reason why a 767 derivative would be better.

A330 does not issues being too large, it would have problems fitting in many KC-135 hangars, and you can get less of them on a ramp space, and there are runways that are not long enough.

Also it will burn more fuel than a 767 version would. And while an A330 version would carry more fuel, often a KC-135 comes back with fuel anyways.

Actually, it has EVERYTHING to do with chemtrails. And it has everything to do with why the Air Force just ordered the new software to create and manage an army of fake people (AKA internet shills), who will be trolling this and other message boards.

[link to www.rawstory.com]


As the chemtrailing increases, expect some new "people" to show up here (and other forums). People who will be much like "The Guy", and "Snake Airlines", and "G. House". They will vociferously deny the aerosol program, and ridicule those who state the obvious.

You're kidding right? That's so much BS you could fertilize Kansas with it. You actually believe that people are getting paid to go on different web sites? Sheeesh. For myself, I'm a manager in retail sales. I come here for laughs from Chemmies like you (and especially the psychotic Hammer).

You say "...... ridicule those who state the obvious" Please PROOVE what you're saying about "chemtrails" is indeed fact. I've seen no proof whatever.

hi OP!

Please,please don't argue with the shills.

Any chemtrail link is swarming with shills and they always, always attack the messenger. Simply ignore it. People who are not shills are for sure listening and are taking notice!

This chemtrail thing is obviously high priority for the shills to debunk! They must have a reason. It's genetic program, why would they allow people to talk about their own destruction?

OP, you mention you are a pilot, please tell us more what you know!