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fellowearthling
(OP) User ID: 1272280 New Zealand 02/21/2011 01:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if they are infinite then yes they will harmonize Quoting: Anonymous Coward 911913The waves are stable... capiche? "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1255103 United States 02/21/2011 01:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also, I'm assuming that by "irrational" you mean inharmonic. In which case, no, they won't be harmonic. Perhaps infrequently there will be constructive interference (depending on the frequencies) but in its entirety the two infinitely oscillating inharmonic waves will be inharmonic forever. |
fellowearthling
(OP) User ID: 1272280 New Zealand 02/21/2011 01:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Depends on their phase. Were they "introduced" into the same medium at the same TIME? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1255103Also, I'm assuming that by "irrational" you mean inharmonic. In which case, no, they won't be harmonic. Perhaps infrequently there will be constructive interference (depending on the frequencies) but in its entirety the two infinitely oscillating inharmonic waves will be inharmonic forever. ty, I concur with the 'inharmonic forever' aspect although I sincerely doubt that the timing of their introduction into said medium is relevant. For arguments sake, let's say they're both kicked off at 'top dead center'? Will it make any difference? "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1255103 United States 02/21/2011 01:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Depends on their phase. Were they "introduced" into the same medium at the same TIME? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1255103Also, I'm assuming that by "irrational" you mean inharmonic. In which case, no, they won't be harmonic. Perhaps infrequently there will be constructive interference (depending on the frequencies) but in its entirety the two infinitely oscillating inharmonic waves will be inharmonic forever. ty, I concur with the 'inharmonic forever' aspect although I sincerely doubt that the timing of their introduction into said medium is relevant. For arguments sake, let's say they're both kicked off at 'top dead center'? Will it make any difference? No difference. If they are not harmonic and have the same phase, it's destructive interference all the way baby. But... Timing determines phase. Consider the example of two waves of identical frequency -- they both have the same fundamental harmonic. But if you introduce one of the 2hz waves (as example) 1 second after introducing the first 2hz wave, they will infinitely cancel each other out (destructive interference / inharmonic resonance). |
fellowearthling
(OP) User ID: 1272280 New Zealand 02/21/2011 01:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | just. stop. eating. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1154372would be very efficient if I could... meantime "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
fellowearthling
(OP) User ID: 1272280 New Zealand 02/21/2011 01:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Depends on their phase. Were they "introduced" into the same medium at the same TIME? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1255103Also, I'm assuming that by "irrational" you mean inharmonic. In which case, no, they won't be harmonic. Perhaps infrequently there will be constructive interference (depending on the frequencies) but in its entirety the two infinitely oscillating inharmonic waves will be inharmonic forever. ty, I concur with the 'inharmonic forever' aspect although I sincerely doubt that the timing of their introduction into said medium is relevant. For arguments sake, let's say they're both kicked off at 'top dead center'? Will it make any difference? No difference. If they are not harmonic and have the same phase, it's destructive interference all the way baby. But... Timing determines phase. Consider the example of two waves of identical frequency -- they both have the same fundamental harmonic. But if you introduce one of the 2hz waves (as example) 1 second after introducing the first 2hz wave, they will infinitely cancel each other out (destructive interference / inharmonic resonance). Like in 'noise cancelling' technology? If there is no 'phasing' or 'harmonious' relationship between the 'tones', would the noise cancelling work? Would there be any 'noise' to 'cancel'? "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
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C74R1TY-44
User ID: 1178496 United States 02/26/2011 02:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | According to the experts, there exist TWO irrational numbers... in the simplest of terms they're "Pi" & "Phi". To many they're 'tech-no-babble', to those so inclined, they represent 'proportions' of great interest... Quoting: fellowearthlingNow, imagine two (or more) waves of stable frequencies being generated and introduced into the same medium. If the frequencies of the waves have 'irrational' relationships to each other, will they ever have harmonics or will they have infinite harmonics? maybe infinite harmonics stabilize into harmonics over time. or, more likely, maybe a finite set of stable harmonics infinitely repeats, octave by octave The storm is closing in to begin again from the beginning. Never sitting through my waking life oblivious. The ignorance running rampant through the city is indicative of something worse; this picture isn't pretty. |
C74R1TY-44
User ID: 1178496 United States 02/26/2011 02:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The question is flawed because of it's fundamental assumption that separation is an act of nature rather than an act of a human mind engaged in semantic classification. The storm is closing in to begin again from the beginning. Never sitting through my waking life oblivious. The ignorance running rampant through the city is indicative of something worse; this picture isn't pretty. |
just a dude
User ID: 1080654 United States 02/26/2011 03:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | According to the experts, there exist TWO irrational numbers... in the simplest of terms they're "Pi" & "Phi". To many they're 'tech-no-babble', to those so inclined, they represent 'proportions' of great interest... Quoting: fellowearthlingNow, imagine two (or more) waves of stable frequencies being generated and introduced into the same medium. If the frequencies of the waves have 'irrational' relationships to each other, will they ever have harmonics or will they have infinite harmonics? The Pi is in the Phi, dude -) |
fellowearthling
(OP) User ID: 1283089 New Zealand 03/06/2011 09:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | come down to Florida and find out Quoting: Nancy LazaryanHutchison "doing his frequencies" quite amazing WE ARE STANDING AND DEFENDING MOTHER EARTH [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] anyone want to join us? Party at Indian Creek Eastpoint, Florida I would LOVE to come to Florida, not keen on flying much ~ maybe by ship someday? I have read about John Hutchison's everlasting battery, experiments with high voltages and radio frequencies - and find the results portrayed very fascinating. I hope his efforts in the GOM are effective, they could use all the clean up help they can get down there. "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
fellowearthling
(OP) User ID: 1283089 New Zealand 03/06/2011 09:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do 'irrationally' related waves ever 'harmonize'? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1276527of course, this is how gravity works. Could you show/tell me how they would harmonize and how that relates to what we define as gravity? "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
fellowearthling
(OP) User ID: 1283089 New Zealand 03/06/2011 10:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do 'irrationally' related waves ever 'harmonize'? Quoting: C74R1TY-44The question is flawed because of it's fundamental assumption that separation is an act of nature rather than an act of a human mind engaged in semantic classification. "Separation" is an illusion ~ all that is, is an essential component of everything else. My understanding is the human intellect is incapable of comprehending the infinite. Trying to 'classify it', via language, is wrought with difficulty. If we can accept, understand and integrate notions like 'infinity' and 'eternity' more readily into our everyday lives, then our 'limited', 'seperate' and 'relative' experiences at this time can be seen as being essential and constructive, in an objective 'light'. Of course, I'm being 'semantic'... language defines but it is not intended to 'imprison'. Last Edited by PhellowEarthling on 03/06/2011 10:12 PM "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |
fellowearthling
(OP) User ID: 1283089 New Zealand 03/06/2011 10:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Pi is in the Phi, dude -) Quoting: just a dudeCan I have fries with that order please? "If you do not go within You WILL go without." A wiser man than I "Standing on truth Ensures eternal support." "There is a perfectly logical explanation for everything and a logically perfect everything for explanations." A phellow earthling |