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Do 'irrationally' related waves ever 'harmonize'?

 
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Do 'irrationally' related waves ever 'harmonize'?
According to the experts, there exist TWO irrational numbers... in the simplest of terms they're "Pi" & "Phi". To many they're 'tech-no-babble', to those so inclined, they represent 'proportions' of great interest...

Now, imagine two (or more) waves of stable frequencies being generated and introduced into the same medium. If the frequencies of the waves have 'irrational' relationships to each other, will they ever have harmonics or will they have infinite harmonics?
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if they are infinite then yes they will harmonize
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if they are infinite then yes they will harmonize
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The waves are stable... capiche?
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Depends on their phase. Were they "introduced" into the same medium at the same TIME?

Also, I'm assuming that by "irrational" you mean inharmonic. In which case, no, they won't be harmonic. Perhaps infrequently there will be constructive interference (depending on the frequencies) but in its entirety the two infinitely oscillating inharmonic waves will be inharmonic forever.
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Depends on their phase. Were they "introduced" into the same medium at the same TIME?

Also, I'm assuming that by "irrational" you mean inharmonic. In which case, no, they won't be harmonic. Perhaps infrequently there will be constructive interference (depending on the frequencies) but in its entirety the two infinitely oscillating inharmonic waves will be inharmonic forever.
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ty, I concur with the 'inharmonic forever' aspect although I sincerely doubt that the timing of their introduction into said medium is relevant. For arguments sake, let's say they're both kicked off at 'top dead center'? Will it make any difference?
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just. stop. eating.
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Depends on their phase. Were they "introduced" into the same medium at the same TIME?

Also, I'm assuming that by "irrational" you mean inharmonic. In which case, no, they won't be harmonic. Perhaps infrequently there will be constructive interference (depending on the frequencies) but in its entirety the two infinitely oscillating inharmonic waves will be inharmonic forever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1255103


ty, I concur with the 'inharmonic forever' aspect although I sincerely doubt that the timing of their introduction into said medium is relevant. For arguments sake, let's say they're both kicked off at 'top dead center'? Will it make any difference?
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No difference. If they are not harmonic and have the same phase, it's destructive interference all the way baby. But...

Timing determines phase. Consider the example of two waves of identical frequency -- they both have the same fundamental harmonic. But if you introduce one of the 2hz waves (as example) 1 second after introducing the first 2hz wave, they will infinitely cancel each other out (destructive interference / inharmonic resonance).
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just. stop. eating.
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would be very efficient if I could... meantime popcorn
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Depends on their phase. Were they "introduced" into the same medium at the same TIME?

Also, I'm assuming that by "irrational" you mean inharmonic. In which case, no, they won't be harmonic. Perhaps infrequently there will be constructive interference (depending on the frequencies) but in its entirety the two infinitely oscillating inharmonic waves will be inharmonic forever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1255103


ty, I concur with the 'inharmonic forever' aspect although I sincerely doubt that the timing of their introduction into said medium is relevant. For arguments sake, let's say they're both kicked off at 'top dead center'? Will it make any difference?
 Quoting: fellowearthling


No difference. If they are not harmonic and have the same phase, it's destructive interference all the way baby. But...

Timing determines phase. Consider the example of two waves of identical frequency -- they both have the same fundamental harmonic. But if you introduce one of the 2hz waves (as example) 1 second after introducing the first 2hz wave, they will infinitely cancel each other out (destructive interference / inharmonic resonance).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1255103

Like in 'noise cancelling' technology?

If there is no 'phasing' or 'harmonious' relationship between the 'tones', would the noise cancelling work? Would there be any 'noise' to 'cancel'?

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Re: Do 'irrationally' related waves ever 'harmonize'?
come down to Florida and find out
Hutchison "doing his frequencies"
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Do 'irrationally' related waves ever 'harmonize'?

of course, this is how gravity works.
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Re: Do 'irrationally' related waves ever 'harmonize'?
According to the experts, there exist TWO irrational numbers... in the simplest of terms they're "Pi" & "Phi". To many they're 'tech-no-babble', to those so inclined, they represent 'proportions' of great interest...

Now, imagine two (or more) waves of stable frequencies being generated and introduced into the same medium. If the frequencies of the waves have 'irrational' relationships to each other, will they ever have harmonics or will they have infinite harmonics?
 Quoting: fellowearthling


maybe infinite harmonics stabilize into harmonics over time.

or, more likely, maybe a finite set of stable harmonics infinitely repeats, octave by octave
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Do 'irrationally' related waves ever 'harmonize'?

The question is flawed because of it's fundamental assumption that separation is an act of nature rather than an act of a human mind engaged in semantic classification.
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Re: Do 'irrationally' related waves ever 'harmonize'?
According to the experts, there exist TWO irrational numbers... in the simplest of terms they're "Pi" & "Phi". To many they're 'tech-no-babble', to those so inclined, they represent 'proportions' of great interest...

Now, imagine two (or more) waves of stable frequencies being generated and introduced into the same medium. If the frequencies of the waves have 'irrational' relationships to each other, will they ever have harmonics or will they have infinite harmonics?
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The Pi is in the Phi, dude -)
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Re: Do 'irrationally' related waves ever 'harmonize'?
come down to Florida and find out
Hutchison "doing his frequencies"
quite amazing

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Party at Indian Creek
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 Quoting: Nancy Lazaryan

I would LOVE to come to Florida, not keen on flying much ~ maybe by ship someday?

I have read about John Hutchison's everlasting battery, experiments with high voltages and radio frequencies - and find the results portrayed very fascinating.

I hope his efforts in the GOM are effective, they could use all the clean up help they can get down there.
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Do 'irrationally' related waves ever 'harmonize'?

of course, this is how gravity works.
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Could you show/tell me how they would harmonize and how that relates to what we define as gravity?
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Do 'irrationally' related waves ever 'harmonize'?

The question is flawed because of it's fundamental assumption that separation is an act of nature rather than an act of a human mind engaged in semantic classification.
 Quoting: C74R1TY-44

"Separation" is an illusion ~ all that is, is an essential component of everything else.

My understanding is the human intellect is incapable of comprehending the infinite. Trying to 'classify it', via language, is wrought with difficulty.

If we can accept, understand and integrate notions like 'infinity' and 'eternity' more readily into our everyday lives, then our 'limited', 'seperate' and 'relative' experiences at this time can be seen as being essential and constructive, in an objective 'light'.

Of course, I'm being 'semantic'... language defines but it is not intended to 'imprison'.

Last Edited by PhellowEarthling on 03/06/2011 10:12 PM
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The Pi is in the Phi, dude -)
 Quoting: just a dude

Can I have fries with that order please?
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