Global "RADIO BLACKOUT ZONE" Marching across the Atlantic toward the Americas! | |
tomasgod1
(OP) User ID: 1112802 United States 02/17/2011 08:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Conditions in the D-Region of the Ionosphere have a dramatic effect on High Frequency (HF) communications and Low Frequency (LF) navigation systems like Loran. The global D-Region Absorption Product depicts the D-region at high latitudes where it is driven by particles as well as low latitudes, where photons cause the prompt changes. This product merges all latitudes using appropriate displays, and is useful to customers such as commercial aviation and maritime users. For more information on this developing phenomenon, you can follow it on the NOAA/Space Weather Prediction Center, here... [link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] _______ Blog [link to mysolaralerts.blogspot.com] YouTube Channel [link to www.youtube.com] "Give me Liberty, or give me Death!" FOUNDING FATHER, Patrick Henry (May 29, 1736 – June 6, 1799) |
Hitndahedfred
User ID: 826012 United States 02/17/2011 08:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Would you please break this down to laymans terms? Not all of us here know or have the time to learn the jargon used in this industry but ARE intelligent enough to understand a "simpler" explanation. Thanks in advance Last Edited by Hitndahedfred on 02/17/2011 08:04 AM Each time a person stands for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he or she sends forth a tiny ripple of hope. And crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. Few are willing to embrace the disapproval of their fellows, the censure of their colleagues, the wrath of their society. Moral courage is a rarer commodity than bravery in battle or great intelligence. Yet it is the one essential vital quality for those who seek to change a world that yields most painfully to change. [Robert F. Kennedy] [link to www.stricklychopped.com] [link to www.ghi-engrs.com] |
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antikythera
User ID: 1030102 United States 02/17/2011 08:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Would you please break this down to laymans terms? Quoting: HitndahedfredNot all of us here know or have the time to learn the jargon used in this industry but ARE intelligent enough to understand a "simpler" explanation. Thanks in advance The purpleish blue gumdrop on earth is getting bigger. The wolves among you will devour the sheep. :orbsig: :ninjalapirate: Art Homepage, [link to pondcypress.deviantart.com] Hand carved skull and cross available for purchase, [link to www.artfire.com] |
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antikythera
User ID: 1030102 United States 02/17/2011 08:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Would you please break this down to laymans terms? Quoting: HitndahedfredNot all of us here know or have the time to learn the jargon used in this industry but ARE intelligent enough to understand a "simpler" explanation. Thanks in advance The purpleish blue gumdrop on earth is getting bigger. Moving, I mean moving. The wolves among you will devour the sheep. :orbsig: :ninjalapirate: Art Homepage, [link to pondcypress.deviantart.com] Hand carved skull and cross available for purchase, [link to www.artfire.com] |
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Hitndahedfred
User ID: 826012 United States 02/17/2011 08:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Our VSAT connections will have issues possibly then today? We have huge VSAT connections across multiple satellites in Geosync orbits here on the East coast of the USA. Last Edited by Hitndahedfred on 02/17/2011 08:20 AM Each time a person stands for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he or she sends forth a tiny ripple of hope. And crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. Few are willing to embrace the disapproval of their fellows, the censure of their colleagues, the wrath of their society. Moral courage is a rarer commodity than bravery in battle or great intelligence. Yet it is the one essential vital quality for those who seek to change a world that yields most painfully to change. [Robert F. Kennedy] [link to www.stricklychopped.com] [link to www.ghi-engrs.com] |
Hitndahedfred
User ID: 826012 United States 02/17/2011 08:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For a reply hopefully Each time a person stands for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he or she sends forth a tiny ripple of hope. And crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. Few are willing to embrace the disapproval of their fellows, the censure of their colleagues, the wrath of their society. Moral courage is a rarer commodity than bravery in battle or great intelligence. Yet it is the one essential vital quality for those who seek to change a world that yields most painfully to change. [Robert F. Kennedy] [link to www.stricklychopped.com] [link to www.ghi-engrs.com] |
tomasgod1
(OP) User ID: 1112802 United States 02/17/2011 08:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Would you please break this down to laymans terms? Quoting: HitndahedfredNot all of us here know or have the time to learn the jargon used in this industry but ARE intelligent enough to understand a "simpler" explanation. Thanks in advance I am not an expert in radio communications either! Basically it shows an area of HF (High Frequency) radio disruption. This Product shows the impact of the solar X-ray flux and SEP events on HF radio communication. HF radio communication is used in In Airline, Maritime, and Shortwave communication. _______ Blog [link to mysolaralerts.blogspot.com] YouTube Channel [link to www.youtube.com] "Give me Liberty, or give me Death!" FOUNDING FATHER, Patrick Henry (May 29, 1736 – June 6, 1799) |
tomasgod1
(OP) User ID: 1112802 United States 02/17/2011 08:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think he is trying to say that the sun is coming up. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 887083The sun screws up the ionosphere so you can't get those night time long distance AM radio signals. This is traveling along with the sun! This phenomenon has to have several components to exist, and one of them is the sun. _______ Blog [link to mysolaralerts.blogspot.com] YouTube Channel [link to www.youtube.com] "Give me Liberty, or give me Death!" FOUNDING FATHER, Patrick Henry (May 29, 1736 – June 6, 1799) |
Ham Dude User ID: 858586 United States 02/17/2011 08:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The colored region on the map is the daylight region. Low frequencies like AM radio and 160 meter amatuer radio work great at night but don't work at all during the day unless you use megawatts. AM radio uses less power at night and half of the stations go off the air because of the potential for interference because of the greatly increased range. The map shows the highest frequency absorbed by the ionosphere. All frequencies below that are absorbed too. They never make it out of the ionosphere so that frequency is dead for normal power radios. As you go outward toward night you can see that the absorbed frequency goes to basically nothing. This has nothing to do with REFLECTING off the ionosphere. At night higher frequencies don't reflect because the ionosphere gets thinner when the sun isn't pelting it with charged particles. A thin ionosphere won't reflect. But as soon as the sun comes up it all changes and the maximum frequency that will bounce goes up. During a solar event the ionosphere gets thicker and lower, which allows even higher frequencies to bounce off of it. Hams all over the world are waiting for the flare to hit the earth so they can use these higher frequencies. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1267408 United States 02/17/2011 08:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Long-range communications using high frequency (HF) radio waves (3 - 30 MHz) depend on reflection of the signals in the ionosphere. Radio waves are typically reflected near the peak of the F2 layer (~300 km altitude), but along the path to the F2 peak and back the radio wave signal suffers attenuation due to absorption by the intervening ionosphere. Quoting: tomasgod1[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov] This area started off as very small after this latest round of large Solar Flares, and has continued to grow in size as it has traveled the globe. Below are two images taken within the past few hours that are approximately an hour appart. By comparing these images you can see the rate at which this area is progressing toward the Americas. :blackout1: :blackout2: Animals will go into spontaneous rages and may turn on their owners. All cat and dog pet owners be advised to please have your pets on leashes in your homes or preferably outside your homes due to the potential danger of you getting mauled to shreds by your pets. |
tomasgod1
(OP) User ID: 1112802 United States 02/17/2011 08:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The colored region on the map is the daylight region. Low frequencies like AM radio and 160 meter amatuer radio work great at night but don't work at all during the day unless you use megawatts. AM radio uses less power at night and half of the stations go off the air because of the potential for interference because of the greatly increased range. Quoting: Ham Dude 858586The map shows the highest frequency absorbed by the ionosphere. All frequencies below that are absorbed too. They never make it out of the ionosphere so that frequency is dead for normal power radios. As you go outward toward night you can see that the absorbed frequency goes to basically nothing. This has nothing to do with REFLECTING off the ionosphere. At night higher frequencies don't reflect because the ionosphere gets thinner when the sun isn't pelting it with charged particles. A thin ionosphere won't reflect. But as soon as the sun comes up it all changes and the maximum frequency that will bounce goes up. During a solar event the ionosphere gets thicker and lower, which allows even higher frequencies to bounce off of it. Hams all over the world are waiting for the flare to hit the earth so they can use these higher frequencies. I saw an operator over on solarcycle24.com mention that this D-Absorbtion that has already gone in to the yellow, had already got as far as it ever did during cycle 23. _______ Blog [link to mysolaralerts.blogspot.com] YouTube Channel [link to www.youtube.com] "Give me Liberty, or give me Death!" FOUNDING FATHER, Patrick Henry (May 29, 1736 – June 6, 1799) |
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Ham Dude User ID: 826185 United States 02/17/2011 09:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The D layer of the ionosphere is the lowest of the layers. It won't affect the normal daytime frequencies very much except at latitudes near the poles during a big solar event. There will be zero radio wave propagation over the poles, possibly all of Alaska will be without radio communications. The bigger the solar event the wider the area affected. It sounds like this one might be a huge one. Also, I believe if the D layers gets thick enough then all normal HF radio frequencies will be absorbed. No radio. TV and satellite frequencies may make it through. But satellite communication may be affected just because they are getting blasted with charged particles, a separate problem. |
Hitndahedfred
User ID: 826012 United States 02/17/2011 09:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The D layer of the ionosphere is the lowest of the layers. It won't affect the normal daytime frequencies very much except at latitudes near the poles during a big solar event. There will be zero radio wave propagation over the poles, possibly all of Alaska will be without radio communications. Quoting: Ham Dude 826185The bigger the solar event the wider the area affected. It sounds like this one might be a huge one. Also, I believe if the D layers gets thick enough then all normal HF radio frequencies will be absorbed. No radio. TV and satellite frequencies may make it through. But satellite communication may be affected just because they are getting blasted with charged particles, a separate problem. ==================================================== So we MAY experience SOME blackout or brownout conditions today? How long is the expected duration of this event? Each time a person stands for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he or she sends forth a tiny ripple of hope. And crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. Few are willing to embrace the disapproval of their fellows, the censure of their colleagues, the wrath of their society. Moral courage is a rarer commodity than bravery in battle or great intelligence. Yet it is the one essential vital quality for those who seek to change a world that yields most painfully to change. [Robert F. Kennedy] [link to www.stricklychopped.com] [link to www.ghi-engrs.com] |
tomasgod1
(OP) User ID: 1112802 United States 02/17/2011 09:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The D layer of the ionosphere is the lowest of the layers. It won't affect the normal daytime frequencies very much except at latitudes near the poles during a big solar event. There will be zero radio wave propagation over the poles, possibly all of Alaska will be without radio communications. Quoting: Ham Dude 826185The bigger the solar event the wider the area affected. It sounds like this one might be a huge one. Also, I believe if the D layers gets thick enough then all normal HF radio frequencies will be absorbed. No radio. TV and satellite frequencies may make it through. But satellite communication may be affected just because they are getting blasted with charged particles, a separate problem. I appreciate your input. I know you guys are so excited you are ready to pee all over the place, HA! I am a daily visitor of [link to solarcycle24.com] so I can feel you enthusiasm. There are some very strange anomalies going on. I have never seen the ACE, GOES, and other instruments so quiet. The BZ is flat, the Solar wind is calm, and the Auroral oval is as white as a ghost. Very eerie to say the least. Like I said in another thread, it reminds me of the tide sucking back before a tsunami. Last Edited by tomasgod1 on 02/17/2011 09:32 AM _______ Blog [link to mysolaralerts.blogspot.com] YouTube Channel [link to www.youtube.com] "Give me Liberty, or give me Death!" FOUNDING FATHER, Patrick Henry (May 29, 1736 – June 6, 1799) |
cRoSS FiRe
User ID: 1237458 United States 02/17/2011 09:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Would you please break this down to laymans terms? Quoting: HitndahedfredNot all of us here know or have the time to learn the jargon used in this industry but ARE intelligent enough to understand a "simpler" explanation. Thanks in advance The purpleish blue gumdrop on earth is getting bigger. The purpleish blue gumdrop on earth is getting bigger. Moving, I mean moving. Quoting: antikytheraMuch better. I am not an expert in radio communications either! Quoting: tomasgod1Basically it shows an area of HF (High Frequency) radio disruption. This Product shows the impact of the solar X-ray flux and SEP events on HF radio communication. HF radio communication is used in In Airline, Maritime, and Shortwave communication. So this is pretty much a confirmation that satellite and radio signals are going to be messed up? Please translate to blonde. Thanks! ;) Last Edited by cRoSS FiRe on 02/17/2011 09:22 AM "Nothing is as far away as one minute ago." --Jim Bishop :gameizovar: It's DO:OM o'clock. WAKE UP! |
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tomasgod1
(OP) User ID: 1112802 United States 02/17/2011 09:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Would you please break this down to laymans terms? Quoting: HitndahedfredNot all of us here know or have the time to learn the jargon used in this industry but ARE intelligent enough to understand a "simpler" explanation. Thanks in advance The purpleish blue gumdrop on earth is getting bigger. The purpleish blue gumdrop on earth is getting bigger. Moving, I mean moving. Quoting: antikytheraMuch better. I am not an expert in radio communications either! Quoting: tomasgod1Basically it shows an area of HF (High Frequency) radio disruption. This Product shows the impact of the solar X-ray flux and SEP events on HF radio communication. HF radio communication is used in In Airline, Maritime, and Shortwave communication. So this is pretty much a confirmation that satellite and radio signals are going to be messed up? Please translate to blonde. Thanks! ;) Blonde....just listn to your ipod today! _______ Blog [link to mysolaralerts.blogspot.com] YouTube Channel [link to www.youtube.com] "Give me Liberty, or give me Death!" FOUNDING FATHER, Patrick Henry (May 29, 1736 – June 6, 1799) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1154424 United States 02/17/2011 09:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The D layer of the ionosphere is the lowest of the layers. It won't affect the normal daytime frequencies very much except at latitudes near the poles during a big solar event. There will be zero radio wave propagation over the poles, possibly all of Alaska will be without radio communications. Quoting: Ham Dude 826185The bigger the solar event the wider the area affected. It sounds like this one might be a huge one. Also, I believe if the D layers gets thick enough then all normal HF radio frequencies will be absorbed. No radio. TV and satellite frequencies may make it through. But satellite communication may be affected just because they are getting blasted with charged particles, a separate problem. I appreciate your input. I know you guys are so excited you are ready to pee all over the place, HA! I am a daily visitor of [link to solarcycle24.com] so I can feel you enthusiasm. There are some very strange anomolies going on. I have never seen the ACE, GOES, and other instruments so quiet. The BZ is flat, the Solar wind is calm, and the Auroral oval is as white as a ghost. Very eerie to say the least. Like I said in another thread, it reminds me of the tide sucking back before a tsunami. |
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cRoSS FiRe
User ID: 1237458 United States 02/17/2011 09:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm asking for the dumbed-down version. ;) That's the good part about GLP, all bases are covered. Surely someone can explain this without alphabets and numbers. Kinda like this: "Nothing is as far away as one minute ago." --Jim Bishop :gameizovar: It's DO:OM o'clock. WAKE UP! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1268521 United States 02/17/2011 09:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Would you please break this down to laymans terms? Quoting: HitndahedfredNot all of us here know or have the time to learn the jargon used in this industry but ARE intelligent enough to understand a "simpler" explanation. Thanks in advance The purpleish blue gumdrop on earth is getting bigger. Mmmm Gumdrops... Hope it won't knockout my Gilligan radio implant. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1266705 United States 02/17/2011 09:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Would you please break this down to laymans terms? Quoting: HitndahedfredNot all of us here know or have the time to learn the jargon used in this industry but ARE intelligent enough to understand a "simpler" explanation. Thanks in advance The purpleish blue gumdrop on earth is getting bigger. The purpleish blue gumdrop on earth is getting bigger. Moving, I mean moving. Quoting: antikytheraMuch better. I am not an expert in radio communications either! Quoting: tomasgod1Basically it shows an area of HF (High Frequency) radio disruption. This Product shows the impact of the solar X-ray flux and SEP events on HF radio communication. HF radio communication is used in In Airline, Maritime, and Shortwave communication. I'm not blonde but what confuses me is this was supposed to hit last night at 9 58 est. I imagine its done hit by now. So this is pretty much a confirmation that satellite and radio signals are going to be messed up? Please translate to blonde. Thanks! ;) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1268521 United States 02/17/2011 09:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The colored region on the map is the daylight region. Low frequencies like AM radio and 160 meter amatuer radio work great at night but don't work at all during the day unless you use megawatts. AM radio uses less power at night and half of the stations go off the air because of the potential for interference because of the greatly increased range. Quoting: Ham Dude 858586The map shows the highest frequency absorbed by the ionosphere. All frequencies below that are absorbed too. They never make it out of the ionosphere so that frequency is dead for normal power radios. As you go outward toward night you can see that the absorbed frequency goes to basically nothing. This has nothing to do with REFLECTING off the ionosphere. At night higher frequencies don't reflect because the ionosphere gets thinner when the sun isn't pelting it with charged particles. A thin ionosphere won't reflect. But as soon as the sun comes up it all changes and the maximum frequency that will bounce goes up. During a solar event the ionosphere gets thicker and lower, which allows even higher frequencies to bounce off of it. Hams all over the world are waiting for the flare to hit the earth so they can use these higher frequencies. Well said. Worth repeating (pun for you hams) I love listening on SW as I can really pickup some great signals at night. |