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User ID: 60609440 United States 07/24/2014 11:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul In a legal reference book called "Words and Phrases," decades ago I noticed a general trend for courts to distinguish between the legal terms "lawful money" and "lawful money of the United States," with the latter term primarily being used when money was being issued directly by the Treasury Department. This suggests that adding the words "of the United States" means that the money mentioned is only supposed to refer only to that money "of" (or "coming from") the peoples' Congress. Once in awhile the term "lawful money of the United States" is simply used to refer to U.S. money, particularly when legal circumstances require distinguishing U.S. money from foreign currencies, but in the strict legal sense, "lawful money of the United States" only refers to Treasury-Direct currencies, while "lawful money" refers to both "lawful money of the United States" plus private bank notes that have been given legal tender status by Congress. Anyway, at the time I did my research, there was no separate phrase called "lawful money of the United States" contained in "Word and Phrases," but under the term "lawful money" there were about 23 examples of how various courts understood the term, and within those 23 examples, there were four instances where "of the United States" was added to the term "lawful money." In every one of the four definitions for "lawful money of the United States," privately-issued bank notes were excluded from the phase. The same restriction would apply today, though instead of precious metals coinage, we now have a cheap metal coinage that is less susceptible to market manipulation. (1) "Lawful money of the United States" means coin or treasury notes made a legal tender by act of Congress, and silver certificates or national bank notes are not included in the phrase." Perry v. State, 61 S.W. 400, 42 Tex.Cr.R. 540. (2) "Lawful money of the United States" includes only gold and silver coin, or that which by law is made its equivalent, so as to be exchangeable therefor at par on demand, and does not include a currency note which, though nominally exchangeable for coin at its face value, is not redeemable on demand." Bronson v. Rodes, 74 U.S. 229, 247, 7 Wall. 229, 247, 19 L.Ed. 141. (3) "Lawful money of the United States," as used in an indictment charging the larceny of $75 of "lawful money of the United States," cannot be construed to include the notes of national banks. Lawful money of the United States might consist of gold or silver coin or United States treasury notes and fractional currency. Hamilton v. State, 60 Ind. 193, 194, 28 Am.Rep. 653. (4) The prevailing conception of "lawful money of the United States" is money in circulation by sanction of the laws of the United States. Check is not "lawful money of the United States" within statute authorizing deposit thereof in lieu of written undertaking with surety by attachment plaintiffs. McDaniel v. Patterson, 157 S.E. 72, 73, 159 S.C. 378. Note: To avoid ambiguity and confusion over legal words and phrases, I'm going to suggest adding another legal phrase called "Treasury Direct Lawful Money of the United States" (TDLMUS) to our discussions to help us distinguish between: (1) "lawful money" (LM), which generally refers to any currency made legal tender by Congress and includes both privately-issued Federal Reserve notes and Treasury Direct current U.S. coin, paper U.S. Notes and electronic U.S. Notes; and (2) "lawful money of the United States" (LMUS), which should only refer to Treasury Direct current U.S. coins, paper U.S. Notes and electronic U.S. Notes, but is sometimes used by lawyers to generally refer to any currency accepted in the U.S. economy. |
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User ID: 60952031 Mexico 07/30/2014 12:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul The ALL CAPS NAME is not "mine" nor can it be "redeemed". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47330867 It, and the PERSON it is, is a legal vehicle used to conduct commerce. It is not ME nor has it ever been. Since you asked, no, I do not have a legal NAME. All of my business affairs are handled via TRUSTS, set up by an ESTATE (both are NON-domestic). I have nothing with "my name" on it. All my signature endorsements are restricted and all right reserved, without prejudice. All cases against me or my trusts or estate are adjudicated in my own Federal Court of record in the local District Court of the United States and notice is given of proceedings to the lower courts recorder as public notice. If you would read the thread instead of trying to be right, you would already know that and exactly how it was done. But you have not read the thread, have you. one would like to discuss the "trust" and "estate" angle of this more... |
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User ID: 62826235 Thailand 09/13/2014 02:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul how do you avoid paying proptery tax with lawful money ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55389293 alloidial title obtainable in california ? what is the best way to avoid paying propterty tax in usa ? how do u claim lawful money in ur auto deposit paycheck from ur company ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55389293 signature card ? full refund in april 15 ? I don't know I have never tried. Last Edited by talkstory on 09/13/2014 02:19 PM talkstory |
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User ID: 62826235 Thailand 09/13/2014 02:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul I stopped paying taxes long before I heard about lawful money. When My youngest kid turned 18, i could no longer get money back from the fed, having not paid anything in except ssi, I was self employed, had my own business. Up to that point I had talked to an accountant, he basically said that my particular business, a book store and its merchandise value was based on what I could sell the books and goods I had purchased for. and no one alive has that gift of absolutely knowing that something will even sell and perhaps even at a loss. So it basically was what I said it was worth. I stayed below the poverty level in terms of capitol gains and money taken out of the business. You would be surprised what you can get a business to pay for you and not claim it as income. lol. I can safely say these things now as the statute of limitation in terms of taxes has long along run out. Just don't wave a flag in their face and they will ignore you. PS I also started a church of my choice and as a paster of the church, it could pay for many of my living expences. Work around are so much better then confrontations. Last Edited by talkstory on 09/13/2014 02:35 PM talkstory |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55389293 United States 09/13/2014 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul I stopped paying taxes long before I heard about lawful money. When My youngest kid turned 18, i could no longer get money back from the fed, having not paid anything in except ssi, I was self employed, had my own business. Up to that point I had talked to an accountant, he basically said that my particular business, a book store and its merchandise value was based on what I could sell the books and goods I had purchased for. and no one alive has that gift of absolutely knowing that something will even sell and perhaps even at a loss. So it basically was what I said it was worth. I stayed below the poverty level in terms of capitol gains and money taken out of the business. You would be surprised what you can get a business to pay for you and not claim it as income. lol. I can safely say these things now as the statute of limitation in terms of taxes has long along run out. Just don't wave a flag in their face and they will ignore you. Quoting: talkstory PS I also started a church of my choice and as a paster of the church, it could pay for many of my living expences. Work around are so much better then confrontations. did you claim lawful money on ur irs return and get full refund ? the church thing is interesting, is it in thailand or the states ? u have a congregation or it just an entity by itself ? |
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User ID: 62849595 Thailand 09/14/2014 12:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul I stopped paying taxes long before I heard about lawful money. When My youngest kid turned 18, i could no longer get money back from the fed, having not paid anything in except ssi, I was self employed, had my own business. Up to that point I had talked to an accountant, he basically said that my particular business, a book store and its merchandise value was based on what I could sell the books and goods I had purchased for. and no one alive has that gift of absolutely knowing that something will even sell and perhaps even at a loss. So it basically was what I said it was worth. I stayed below the poverty level in terms of capitol gains and money taken out of the business. You would be surprised what you can get a business to pay for you and not claim it as income. lol. I can safely say these things now as the statute of limitation in terms of taxes has long along run out. Just don't wave a flag in their face and they will ignore you. Quoting: talkstory PS I also started a church of my choice and as a paster of the church, it could pay for many of my living expences. Work around are so much better then confrontations. did you claim lawful money on ur irs return and get full refund ? the church thing is interesting, is it in thailand or the states ? u have a congregation or it just an entity by itself ? can you collect rent on the non-profit property ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55389293 the name kind of self-defeating but nevertheless worthy of business venture talkstory |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 55389293 United States 09/14/2014 08:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul I stopped paying taxes long before I heard about lawful money. When My youngest kid turned 18, i could no longer get money back from the fed, having not paid anything in except ssi, I was self employed, had my own business. Up to that point I had talked to an accountant, he basically said that my particular business, a book store and its merchandise value was based on what I could sell the books and goods I had purchased for. and no one alive has that gift of absolutely knowing that something will even sell and perhaps even at a loss. So it basically was what I said it was worth. I stayed below the poverty level in terms of capitol gains and money taken out of the business. You would be surprised what you can get a business to pay for you and not claim it as income. lol. I can safely say these things now as the statute of limitation in terms of taxes has long along run out. Just don't wave a flag in their face and they will ignore you. Quoting: talkstory PS I also started a church of my choice and as a paster of the church, it could pay for many of my living expences. Work around are so much better then confrontations. did you claim lawful money on ur irs return and get full refund ? the church thing is interesting, is it in thailand or the states ? u have a congregation or it just an entity by itself ? can you collect rent on the non-profit property ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 55389293 the name kind of self-defeating but nevertheless worthy of business venture does stay below poverty level allow u not to file tax return for self employed bookstore income ? |
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