***URGENT > BIGGEST EVER SOUTH KOREAN WAR GAMES HAVE BEGUN***

Wars simply do not happen unless there is something at stake for some wealthy bastards somewhere. NK and SK can blow smoke for years on end, but until some bloating billionaires can make a killing on some natural resources or defense supply contracts, it won't go anywhere.

territory disputes lead to war as well

Janey said:

"the current b"elief in the military is that this will not provoke a response by NK. They are looking for NK to respond in a surprise attack in weak areas rather than to this drill directly,

Thread: BREAKING: South Korea life firing drills are NOT OVER

So have a calm christmas.

Correct IMO.

[link to thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com]

North Korea's total war plan has two components: massive conventional warfare and weapons of mass destruction. If the US mounts a preemptive strike on North Korea's Yongbyon nuclear plants, North Korea will retaliate with weapons of mass destruction: North Korea will mount strategic nuclear attacks on the US targets. The US war planners know this and have drawn up their own nuclear war plan. In a nuclear exchange, there is no front or rear areas, no defensive positions or attack formations as in conventional warfare. Nuclear weapons are offensive weapons and there is no defense against nuclear attacks except retaliatory nuclear attacks. For this reason, North Korea's war plan is offensive in nature: North Korea's war plan goes beyond repulsing US attackers and calls for destruction of the United States.

- Han Ho Suk, Center for Korean Affairs

[link to www.asianresearch.org]

Last Edited by The Spirit Of Truth on 12/22/2010 11:41 AM

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Why has this all the sudden become urgent news,
when a topic about this was pinned last night.

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Then after 6 pages and 12 5 stars, it was unpinned
in favor of a pervert topic.



Meanwhile, here is a scene about 70 miles from the NK border...
no perverts among these troops.

[link to visualrian.com]





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Last Edited by AlasBabylon on 12/22/2010 11:50 AM

Gregorian ?


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Cyrus conquered Babylon during Babylonian holiday celebrations.


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War isn't always about money, it's also about standing up for a belief, it's about ones own survival. In fact, I don't think a world without wars would last very long!...

Because this site is a joke...

Will there be drunken revelry and dancing in the streets,
like Babylon just before Cyrus' surprise attack ?


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wow

just found this

seems close to what is going on

ice


OPLAN 5030
In late May 2003, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld directed military commanders to develop a new approach for conflict with North Korea, Operations Plan 5030. The fact of the existence of OPLAN 5030 as well as details of this plan were first revealed in the 21 July 2003 edition of US News and World Report, in an article by Bruce B. Auster and Kevin Whitelaw.

Critics of the plans provisions claim that it blurs the line between war and peace. Under the draft plan, US Forces Korea would conduct pre-conflict maneuvers to draw down North Korea's limited military resources. This might place such stress on the North's military that it might provoke a military coup against the country's leader, Kim Jong Il. According to Auster and Whitelaw, options available under OPLAN 5030 include flying RC-135 surveillance aircraft closer to North Korean airspace, provoking the DPRK to wear out scrambled interceptor aircraft and burn up jet fuel. Under another gambit, US commanders might stage a surprise or short-notice military exercises, provoking North Korean forces to disperse to [or from] bunkers. This could disclose details of DPRK war plans, and deplete reserse of food, water, and other materiel.

The initial draft of 5030 included a variety of operations not included in traditional operational war plans, such as disrupting financial networks and strategic disinformation activities. Indeed, the entire OPLAN 5030 story might be part of such offensive information operations, creating a bewildering wilderness of mirrors for the historically paranoid North.


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Cyrus' troops entered Babylon secretly during Babylon's drunken holiday revelry.

Cyrus' troops pretended to be part of the celebration as they made their way to the palace.

Babylon was defeated before it even realized it had been invaded.

When the Babylonians woke up the next morning, Babylon was under new management.




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INTERESTING ICE!

It is a good point that all of this drilling leads to the exhausting of resources on the N. Korea side....however, I think a coup would be a less likely outcome than all out war.
If the leaders realized a coup was possible war would occur in short order.

I would say they have a plan!






ar plan by U.S. and Seoul needs updating, upgrade

‘Conplan’ to be adjusted after last week’s promotion of Kim Jong-un
October 05, 2010
South Korea and the United States have agreed to modify a military conceptual plan to deal with sudden changes in North Korea to reflect last week’s political changes in the reclusive communist regime, a Seoul official told the JoongAng Ilbo on Sunday.

“South Korea and the United States assessed that uncertainty in the North has grown higher during the course of the power succession to Kim Jong-un [from his father Kim Jong-il],” said the official. “It is my understanding that Seoul and Washington have decided to specify scenarios of sudden changes in the North due to the leadership succession and reflect them in Conplan 5029.”

Last week, the youngest son of North Korean leader Kim Jong-il, Kim Jong-un, was given important party posts and named a four-star general and is now considered heir apparent if his father dies.

A Conplan is an operational plan in conceptual format, and Seoul and Washington first formulated Conplan 5029 in 1997. Since 2008, the plan has been updated to reflect changes on the Korean Peninsula.

“The decision to revise the conceptual plan will be formally agreed at the annual Security Consultative Meeting, scheduled to take place on Friday in Washington,” the official said.

The allied blueprint envisions six kinds of sudden changes in the North: the loss of control over weapons of mass destruction such as nuclear arms, missiles and biochemical weapons; a regime change in the North; a civil war, including a military coup; a hostage-taking of South Korean citizens in the North; an exodus of refugees; and natural disasters.

The two countries have been particularly concerned that any sudden altering in the North’s status quo would allow its weapons of mass destruction and production technologies to be leaked to a third country or terrorist group.

Another source also told the JoongAng Ilbo that Conplan 5029 will be upgraded to the level of an operational plan (or Oplan), which is more fleshed out and can be put into effect immediately.

“It will be readied so that it can be converted into an operational plan in time of emergency as soon as it gets signed by the heads of the joint chiefs of staffs of South Korea and the United States,” the official said.

Why is Wolf Blitzer there? Is he the catalyst?

Regarding current DefCon status: here's a link to the DefCon Warning System that is supposed to update every ten minutes. BUT: it hasn't updated since Tuesday, December 14th, when the official status was Level 4 BLUE. Now I'm wondering why it hasn't updated?

[link to www.defconwarningsystem.com]

Last Edited by GSB/LTD on 12/22/2010 12:24 PM

Here is the waether there for the next few days.


[link to www.timeanddate.com]

A coup shouldn't be ruled out. In the past there were several coup attempts to oust Kim. There are many sources claiming that (also on the internet).

Yes, this was my thinking exactly. Any time of heavy weaponry is expensive to keep online for any length of time.

It actually takes MORE maintenance to keep the older stuff working / operational due to better reliability in newer generations of weapons systems.

For example, the F-22 requires fewer maintenance hours per flight hour than an F-4.

Those old soviet systems probably take a TON of resources to maintain. Not to mention labor. How many calories does a soldier in the field expend? (around 3000 a day, give or take).

Logistics will QUICKLY eat NK alive.

This probably means there is a finite time that NK can keep even these limited forces combat effective.

Interestingly enough, one of the big drivers in Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor was the oil embargo.

When they reached (roughly)6 months worth of fuel reserves, they attacked rather than have their military options forever (effectively) removed.

NK could feel similar pressure to "Use it or lose it".

Or we could effectively break down their defense structure without firing a single shot.

Since we're dealing with a huge population of Meth addicts, I think it's wrong to assume NK is a rational actor and we should expect violent, but uncoordinated and unpredictable responses going forward.

Weather can be manipulated.


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I see like my post was WTF!

Last Edited by Imageneyes on 12/22/2010 12:31 PM

Stupid and naive americanos. Don't you think NKorean defence dept. men cannot read free press in english? More over: they knew it before even senioro Donaldo Rumsfeldo thought about it.

They don't have the same alert state everywhere. The general one might be 4, but the US forces in Korea will be at 2.

NK will do nothing cuz China doesn't have their back right now.
China makes and sells a lot of goods to the west. Having that pipeline cut off cuz they got involved in a war in Korea would economically devestate China.
They'd be better off letting the South Koreans and Americans spend the money and manpower to overthrow NK to open up a new market for them.
It's really a win win situation for China.

Artillery

North Korea has 2 artillery corps and 30 artillery brigades equipped with 120mm self-propelled guns, 152mm self-propelled mortars, 170mm guns with a range of 50 km, 240 mm multiple rocket launchers with a range of 45 km, and other heavy guns. North Korea has about 18,000 heavy guns. North Korea's 170mm Goksan gun and 240mm multiple-tube rocket launchers are the most powerful guns of the world. These guns can lob shells as far south as Suwon miles beyond Seoul. The big guns are hidden in caves. Many of them are mounted on rails and can fire in all directions. They can rain 500,000 conventional and biochemical shells per hour on US troops near the DMZ. The US army bases at Yijong-bu, Paju, Yon-chun, Munsan, Ding-gu-chun, and Pochun will be obliterated in a matter of hours.

The US army in Korea is equipped with Paladin anti-artillery guns that can trace enemy shells back to the guns and fire shells at the enemy guns with pin-point accuracy. However, it takes for the Paladins about 10 min to locate the enemy guns, during which time the Paladins would be targeted by the enemy guns Gen. Thomas A Schwartz, a former US army commander in Korea, stated that the US army in Korea would be destroyed in less than three hours.


this is why it's hard for me to think anything is really up!

1203448: I can't seem to locate any material that substantiates what you suggest. The DefCon levels also have exercise names attached [such as "cocked pistol", etc] and there are several other alert conditions that are commonly used [such as ERMERGCONS and FPCONS]... but I can't find anything that says places around the globe will have varying DefCon levels for U.S. military forces stationed there. Can you provide a source? I'd be interested in folowing this up.

Ask yourself one question... how dependent is Russia on the West.



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Last Edited by AlasBabylon on 12/22/2010 01:11 PM

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